Ep. 269: Spiritual Firewall

[00:00:03] And I just turned around and I pulled ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with that. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my headlights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most were the eyes were glowing red.

[00:00:30] I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. He begins to tell them that he saw a UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about? That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it. And that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes.

[00:00:58] As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, it felt like death. Welcome back to Tinfoil Tales. I'm your host, Brandon. Today we're joined by my guest, Vizhak. Thanks for coming on here and talking to me. Great. Thanks. Good to be here. Would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself before we dive into the conversation?

[00:01:22] Yeah, I mean, if you have some specific angles and questions for me, I can do that. But I actually don't have an elevator pitch to give a butt myself. But, you know, I would say if I had to come up with one on the spot, I'd say I'm a practical philosopher,

[00:01:47] experimenting at the forefront, at the edge of metaphysics, real metaphysics and human development. I guess what I would ask is how you came about into all of this. Like, what got you interested and how did you learn like the stuff that you're interested in,

[00:02:13] like the things that you research, the things that you study? What brought you to this? Well, if you want the fully truthful answer, that's not something that comes up in one lifetime. It's a pattern that has to evolve over many, many lifetimes. And it has to, it's deepened with every spiral run.

[00:02:37] But if you want the more empirical answer, so to speak, what sort of in my own biography in this life was the immediate trigger for me to go into metaphysics and spiritual or paranormal or parapsychological realities.

[00:02:57] That's, that would be maybe just a constant need to or a constant desire to learn about what's behind things.

[00:03:14] What's the, what are the motive forces behind, behind what's visible behind what's apparent and, and a life that led me through lots of different, I would say border borderline experiences, borderline situations, many different countries, oftentimes in risk and danger. And, and, and, and, and the wide range of different situations.

[00:03:40] So my, my life was very, my life was very, let's say unconventional. And, and, and always what, what sort of, what sort of got me out of situations was always the situation was always the, the, the, the person, the, the intuition and the understanding that there's more to life than what you just see in that situation. Right. That's like very kind of condensed, very, very compressed.

[00:04:06] I would have told you like thousand stories to make that more vivid, but that's a compressed version. Yeah. So you written a book and it's called spiritual firewall. Has this been something that you've been working on for several years? Like when you wrote the book,

[00:04:25] The, the, the book spiritual firewall is the first publication out of a larger series of, of an entire system of operative metaphysics that, that is now emerging basically. Yes. That I've been working on for many, many years, gestating for, for many years, for a 12 year cycle really, where everything came together and crystallized.

[00:04:52] And this is the first publication out of a series of field manuals, which look at the entire field of, of what I call operative metaphysics. Yes. So when you wrote the book, were you writing it for like believers or skeptics or just anyone in general? Like, it's a good question. It's like, you see, I was, I was a skeptic myself.

[00:05:20] I was a skeptic on until like the, the, you know, until evidence, experiential evidence, right? Experiencing again and again, again. Oh, okay. Wait, that story doesn't check out that the mainstream scientific materialist story doesn't check out that there is nothing else beyond the 3D. Right. Because you, you have the experience. It doesn't make sense any other way.

[00:05:45] Like you test it almost like a scientist, you test it again and again, and then, and then you're led into finding evidence and expanding your horizons. And then you see, Oh, wait a moment. There's a lot of other people who have actually researched this and actually reported on this. And you can go in and find out and learn, learn more about what has been buried because a lot of this knowledge has been buried.

[00:06:05] I mean, there is podcasts like yours and there's places where people are talking about the so-called paranormal or the, the, what's not accepted in as, as, as, as sort of consensus reality stamped and approved. Right. But, but yeah, so the skeptic, when you're saying who you're writing for both, both.

[00:06:27] I actually liked the, I think if you're a, if you're a, if you're a, if you're coming through, through, through your understanding through this kind of doubt and questioning and searching for evidence, you're actually going to get better and understand more and have a better grasp of what's happening. Then as if you're just, just, you know, just kind of wholesale, accept whatever, believe in it. I mean, you know, I like the, both the skeptics and the believers to put it this way.

[00:06:55] I don't, it's not written for, for just, for just either one of them. Mm-hmm . I think a lot of people come into this stuff, at least for me, I've been open minded, but I always try and keep a skeptical mind on a lot of the stuff because I feel like if you dive into it as a full on believer of everything without questions, then you can kind of go down a path of being misled.

[00:07:16] I think it's best to keep an open mind, but at least do your research into the stuff and not just take everything as a hundred percent fact without doing a little bit of research into it. Absolutely. Absolutely. And not just research. I mean, there's, you require discernment and you have to develop the faculties and the capabilities to it's, it's, you know, all the ancient traditions. You see, this is one of my main thesis in the book, in this book specifically, right?

[00:07:45] That all the ancient traditions, all the wisdom traditions, they had extensive taxonomies and extensive mappings of the unseen world, right? Every single one of them, you name it, every single one of them, they have maps, they have entire cartographies of the unseen world, right? And that is not something that somebody just came up with. It's something that grew over centuries and millennia and was passed on, right?

[00:08:11] By the scholars, by the seers, by the mystics, by those whose job it was basically in those societies, because every traditional society, they always had people whose job it was. That was their job. Like that was their role in society to go and explore that realm, right? And then come back to everybody else and give the reports, right? And, and they had these, they had this body of knowledge. And then all of that body of all of this knowledge in, in modern times, it got buried.

[00:08:41] It got, you know, it got so far prohibited, buried, forgotten, right? It turned to fantasy or turned to sort of whatever, like some niche knowledge, right? It was not any more mainstream knowledge. So why am I saying this? Because when you're now a modern person, which we are all are, right? You're in the modern world and you're starting to see that the modern story, the, you know, scientific materialist story doesn't check out.

[00:09:07] There is actually a reality beyond what's apparent. Then, you know, you, you don't, if you don't have that supporting body of supporting, you know, evidence and the, the, the, the system of knowledge that's passed on, right? It's a little bit difficult because you're just like, you need to figure it out for yourself or you just need to find other people who are sort of as well, trying to figure it out for themselves. Right.

[00:09:33] And that's why it's gets, it's, it's more dangerous to fall into misinterpretations and illusions or like, because it's not the unseen world is hard to discern. There's a lot of phenomena that they could be this, they could be that, they could be something else, right?

[00:09:49] There's a range of different interpretations that is possible. Right. And how do you know if you don't have that tradition or that, that body of knowledge that's been built up over generations, if you don't have access to it anymore, it's just much harder. When you wrote the book and there's some stuff into it, like, as I said, I didn't get a chance to read the whole thing, but I did skim through stuff.

[00:10:15] And I feel like a lot of it, one of the things that stuck out is like a control grid. Is that something you're willing to explain to the audience? Like for what all that entails? Well, I mean, this is about the control, the control grid. You see, there is the individual, individual experiences that you may have with that. A lot of people have actually very, very widespread, right?

[00:10:43] With paranormal, parapsychological experiences, very widespread. Most people just misreport it or they just kind of put it aside as all just, I don't know, you know, like something weird. And so they don't like think about it too much or they don't, there's that cognitive dissonance with what they experienced, but then with what they are allowed to think. Right. And then they just kind of just don't resolve it, just live in it, just put it aside. Right.

[00:11:05] And a lot of people have, have these, have these experiences individually. But the question of the control grid is like, how does all of this stuff, right? Connect on the back end, if you will, how does that connect on the back end? What is, what is the world like on the unseen level? Right.

[00:11:24] That it allows that it has these systems of people have being under psychic negative psychic influence, people being under psychic attack, people having, having sometimes even almost systematic, systematic situations where they're being almost sabotaged by the unseen world. Right.

[00:11:44] Or being, being captured. You know, we have possessions and capture, capturing and all of that. And, and, and the answer that when you look into the systems, the traditional systems, the West, the Western tradition, or actually the Western tradition is, is a combined Western and Middle Eastern tradition because the, they are, they're spiritual traditions.

[00:12:06] They're sort of intertwined and with the Abrahamic traditions and this tradition, the, the, the, the, the, the Gnostics. That's what they're known as, right? The ancient Gnostics.

[00:12:30] And they had a whole system where they explained and where they understood and, and where they understood and explained what are, what's, what is behind this? What is this system that is, that is, what is the system that is, that is sort of hand in hand, that is controlling things from behind the scenes. Right.

[00:12:50] And how, how does it operate? So the control grid that I'm talking about is a contemporary recasting or a contemporary re, re, uh, interpretation, right. Or a re-envisaging, right. Or a re-reading, really a re-understanding, a new understanding of that same concept that the Gnostics used to call the Archons.

[00:13:12] I've talked to someone before that brought up the Archons, but do you think you mentioned things behind the scenes? So you believe that there's something that we don't necessarily see that influences us every day, that influences our daily lives? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, there's, there's far more than, you know, what meets the eye, right? There's like the, it's the, what we can see is the tip of the iceberg.

[00:13:39] And, and even, even in the, you know, in the, in the spectrum of light that you can see, you can see only a tiny portion of it, but there's a spectrum of energies and there's a spectrum of, of, of forces, which we cannot see, right. Right. Which we can't see like, and they, and they influence things and they influence things. They have their own systems. They have their own intelligences. They have their own, right. They have their own drives and there's sometimes they're at odds with each other.

[00:14:05] There are some that are sort of, you know, there's, they're just, they just want to play, right. They don't, they're not evil or not good. Or they just want to do, you know, they just want to do their own thing. There's others that are malicious, right. There's, and there's others that are, that are helpful. These intelligences exist, right. In the, in that, that are intelligences that are not human.

[00:14:28] And now when you're saying, is it, is it a system? Is it a, is it a, is it a, are these unseen forces impacting us? Absolutely. They're impacting everything. There is actually, there are much more, there's, they're much stronger in directing the course of things than, than what we can actually experience in 3d.

[00:14:52] I'm trying to like wrap my head around some of the things I was going to ask without sounding stupid, but basically the way I see it is there's things in life, like in different spectrums, you mentioned, like we don't see everything that surrounds us. We don't see the end. We only see what is in our 3d world that we can see with our naked eyes. So there's things out there that influence people. There's things that are out there that influences everything around us. Some are good, some are bad,

[00:15:20] some just don't care, but we just don't actually see them because we're not capable of that. But somehow they have some sort of an influence to us. I think a lot of people, when they have these experiences, what they consider even quote unquote paranormal experiences, I think they're being, that's the intelligences of something else that we just can't necessarily see. And I don't necessarily know if it's quote unquote paranormal, but I believe that there's some sort of energies

[00:15:47] that surround us all. Then everyone has some sort of experiences, but most of the time people write it off because they don't want to accept it as for something that it's just, sometimes you get a gut feeling. Sometimes you get like some senses or something, something feels off, something feels wrong. And I don't know if that's something that's influencing us or that's just our intuition of picking up on these energies that are around us. And we kind of sense it. Yeah. Well, it's the same

[00:16:16] thing, isn't it? You said like, whether it's influencing us or whether it's just something that we pick up on, what's the, that's, that sounds like the same thing to me. Yeah. It's like, uh, I've said this a few times, but like you can sense when someone is looking at you, if you're in a room or whatever, and you happen to notice it, you feel like someone's watching you, you look around, you see someone that was looking at you and then they turn their head. Like you, you, you pick that up. I feel like sometimes you walk into a room and you can feel

[00:16:44] the energy of a room. And I don't know if that's necessarily the same things that you're referring to, but I know what you're like in the sense of, you can feel things like there's things around us that influence that we can pick up on. Yeah. No, I mean, what you just mentioned, this is a, there are experiments for this. Like there's experiments where it's proven with statistical

[00:17:12] significance that if you have a room of people that they're, you know, they put a glass wall and there's a bunch of other people in the other side and they're looking at them. Right. And, but the first, the person, the people in the room, they don't know that there's, you know, and there's different situations. Once, sometimes there's people looking at them, sometimes there's nobody. Right. And they asking them, like they asked the first people, the test subjects, they asked them, do you think you're being watched right now? Do you feel like

[00:17:37] you're being watched right now? Right. And people who are intuitive, they notice like there's, it's, you know, this is statistically proven. It's impossible to be a fluke. It's impossible to be random. Right. There's, there's statistical proof for this. So, um, and there's, this experiment has been replicated. It's not just a one-off. Right. And this is not just in, there's not that's in the, in the room, actually this goes over distance as well. So you can think of somebody on the other

[00:18:03] side of the planet, or you can pray for somebody on the other side of the planet. Prayer is basically what is focused consciousness and awareness infused with strong devotion and emotion. Right. So it makes it really focused, really strong. Right. And, and that's, that impacts people on the other side of the, no matter where they are beyond space and time. Right. So, so the, what we have to understand is

[00:18:30] that, and this is really not so spooky, it's not so crazy. It's just, we just have to understand that consciousness is connected. Right. And, and it just depends on from which direction you look at it. Right. You can think about it. Like the universe is like a, there's like a program. This is like computing, right. It's computing what everybody does. So wouldn't you think that the computer has an operating system that can sort of communicate what, what this person is doing and what that

[00:18:57] person is doing. Right. That's not even, that's not even so strange to think about. It's actually only sounds weird because people are still stuck in the 17th century view of the universe. Right. Where they thought that only things can interact with each other that immediately touch each other. You know, so obviously that is a, that actually, if you still believe that, that is the actually far more unscientific and far more, you know, almost like primitive worldview.

[00:19:26] If you still believe that 17th century story, right. As opposed to knowing that, yes, of course, like consciousness interacts across distances. Yes. If I'm being watched, you know, I can, there's a way to sense you can influence other people. And also not just people. There's also, as we were saying before, as all the traditional ancient societies have always known, there's also other intelligences in consciousness, right. Or in, in, in the unseen that also interact with us.

[00:19:57] The other thing, there's a few things I've actually wanted to bring up, but not to jump off the thing, but the name of the book, you have psychic defense in the age of psyops and predictive programming. Obviously with my show, I've heard people refer to a lot of things as a psyop. That's kind of the conspiracy world that we fall into. Yeah. What is like some modern ideas that you have for like

[00:20:24] what these psyops and predictive programming, what are some things that you have that you know of that could be considered that I would go, I, I know for a conspiracy program, there's a lot of things that people call psyops, but for you yourself, like, what do you think is like the psyops that go on? Well, I mean, you know, I, because we're talking about the metaphysics here, I think, um, you know, if we want to have a whole conversation on, on politics and on society and culture and stuff,

[00:20:54] it's like a different conversation. Right. Yeah. But, but, and then you could go in all the, you know, like, was this, was the, you know, is the lone shooter, was that a real lone shooter? Was there somebody behind, you know, there's so many, there's so many different. And, and I, you know, this, I don't like, it's not like that. I don't like those conversations or those thoughts. I have them too, but for me is more important right now to, to, to, to explain the mechanics

[00:21:22] behind these things. Yeah. Not so much like to go into the forensics of this specific psyop or that specific, because there's a lot of them out there, like literally, you know, this, this, it's, it's all psyops, right? Turn on your TV, turn on CNN or Fox news or whatever. It doesn't matter. It's all psyops, right? It's all psyops. It's all like from all directions, from both sides, from all directions. Right. And, and, and, and that's from the corporations, obviously all the

[00:21:49] big corporations, all the States, all the, all the, it basically how it's basically how the most powerful entities operate, right? Across the board, not just from this country or that country, not just from this side or that side of the political spectrum. It's just how the most powerful entities operate, right? The most powerful ones, I have to say, the ones who are in the service of that

[00:22:14] control grid that I mentioned before, right? So this is not everybody. There is, this is not literally every person. There's people who are, who are freeing themselves, who are, who are attaining, who are fighting for freedom or sovereignty from, from the control grid, right? And who don't want to be a, a, a cock in the machine or stooge or a sort of a servant, a servitor of the, of that system,

[00:22:44] of that control grid, right? But, but for the most powerful entities, that's not true. They are actually part of, they're all working with it, right? And they're using psyops. They're using psyops to direct people, to direct people in this direction or in that direction. And people know about psyops these days because there's a great awakening happening. Everybody's realizing that, oh, wait a moment, all these stories don't check out. Like none of these stories checks out. Like, you know, who did the, this terror attack? Who did the, did we go to the moon? Did this happen?

[00:23:12] Did that happen? People are asking all these questions now, right? This was not before this didn't happen, right? This is new. This is new that it's so widespread that everybody's asking all the questions. This is new. This is only since a few years, right? And I think maybe you would agree. I mean, there was, there was, it existed before, but not this widespread. There's a lot more people that are open to the ideas. And I think a lot of it stemmed from the whole 2020 thing. It went on with COVID

[00:23:40] around the world and everything. That, that is what opened up a lot of people's eyes to conspiracy stuff. And then they started saying, well, some of these things aren't really conspiracies. And they started digging in deeper. And as more and more has come out over the last six years, like more people have been more open to the idea of a lot of the stuff that we get told by the media isn't always true. Absolutely. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. 2020 is exactly where sort of that shift, that break happens,

[00:24:07] right? And it accelerates from there on. Right. And, and so what are your, your question, your question was whether, how do you psyops operate? I mean, you know, people know about, people have already analyzed the, the mechanics of the psyop, how it works through narrative control. And, you know, once you, when you see 25 different people on different networks and on different social

[00:24:34] media platforms, and they're all saying the same thing, right? They're all sort of saying like a small variation, a little variation of the exact same thing. They have the same script, right? That's a, that's obviously part of a psyop, but people know, people know that sort of material mechanics. They know that, right? They know the, this is already well known. People know that people have analyzed that. What I'm saying is there's also a metaphysical dimension,

[00:24:59] right? What I'm saying is in addition to just controlling the narrative on TV and controlling the narrative on, on social media and on X, right? There's also a metaphysical dimension. There's also a dimension where the psyop uses these unseen energies, right? Uses unseen forces to get a hold of your, your, your brain basically, or your, or your soul, or your, your consciousness,

[00:25:27] the flow of your consciousness, what happens in your consciousness, what you think are your thoughts, right? Because that's the goal. The goal is that the psyop wants to implant itself in you. And there's things called egregores, right? I don't know if you are, your viewers are, I don't know if you often go into, into that direction, but right. Those are basically collective thought forms, right? There are collective thought forms that are, that, that utilize these entry points

[00:25:55] so that you, you start to have certain thoughts and you don't even realize that this is not your own sovereign thought, right? This is some, some collective form that has, that has implanted itself in your consciousness. And you think it's your thoughts, right? You think it's your, your thinking. So this is the connection that I'm making. People are having the experiences with paranormal experiences,

[00:26:18] paranormal events in their lives, right? But what I, what I'm, what I'm submitting or, or, or presenting, right? To, to the, to the listener, the viewer, anybody, the reader, right? Is that these, there's, they're connected. These two, these two sides are connected. What happens with paranormal

[00:26:40] experiences or, or, or the uncanny experiences that you have in everyday life, there's a connection between that and between the system of PSYOPs that's going on to control people's minds, right? Not always, not in every case, right? As I was saying, that's right at the beginning. There is also some unseen intelligences, for instance, that are harmless, or they just want to play, or they're just from nature, you know? I don't, like I'm, I'm based here currently for the last two years. I've been

[00:27:09] here online. It's already three years now. For the last three years, I've been in Southeast Asia, Thailand, Vietnam, right? So these places, people in every street corner, they have these shrines where they put offerings for the spirits, the local spirits of that place, right? Every street corner, everywhere, every shop, every street corner, everywhere. It's the most widespread thing. It's

[00:27:31] like 95% of the population engages in that and sort of speaks to the spirits and, and has a relationship with the spirits of that place. It's like the most widespread thing that you can imagine. It's because what they did, what they didn't do here, they just didn't kind of lose that connection. The thing is that previously, before this great forgetting happened, this was the same in Western societies.

[00:27:58] This was the same in any other society, right? There's a, there's something happened where that got lost. It got forgotten. A lot of the stuff that, like for our, at least here in America, and I think like the Western hemisphere, I think a lot of stuff now, the old ways of how we looked at the world has been pushed out. We're not as spiritual as they used to be. I know some people are spiritual

[00:28:26] in their religious aspect, but I don't think they understand the concepts of the spirituality that surrounds us. I know a lot of people, even let's just say that the Native Americans, everything that they had here in America was all like a spirit, like everything had its own energy. Everything had its own life force. Everything had this own, like nowadays, we don't talk about stuff

[00:28:51] like that. That stuff's not, I want to say science, but it's not like a mainstream thing that most modern people want to discuss because we've been pushed down this pathway of religion and not even so much the original religion, but even the main function of like the, how they influence us to go about with life, like the way they push the technology to us so that everything's been propagated in front of us

[00:29:18] and everything. Like it's all almost like they don't want us to have that spiritual connection anymore. Yeah. I mean, you know, people have a need for, for the spiritual connection and the spiritual understanding, right? This is a kind of innate human need, right? You can't, or as an innate human

[00:29:42] trait, it's like, it's like sexuality or, or, you know, eating, drinking and eating. It's like an innate human trait, right? It's just that it's been, it's been squashed and oppressed. It's been suppressed. It's been limited, right? It's been compartmentalized and, and repressed, right? So now that's, that's what

[00:30:08] happened in, in modern society, like in modernity, in modernity, that's what happened, right? And, and the need is still there though. The need is still there. So what happens is that it, it reemerges, it reemerges. So you have a lot of people now who are into, well, there's all kinds of, there's all kinds of re, you know, ways of that, the spiritual kind of yearning emerges again, whether it's a new

[00:30:33] age practices or it's the return of religions, right? Which is a big theme as well now, right? Or, or it's people finding sort of alternative practices looking at, oh, we need to look at the East. We need to learn about yoga and I don't know, like Eastern spirituality, go and find yourself and stuff like all this exists, right? Because people need this, like this is, this is inborn. You can't really, you can't really eradicate it, right? If you try, it's the, the, the, the,

[00:31:03] you, you will become like, you know, you would say, okay, there are some societies where people have, have pretty successfully like curbed, curbed the spiritual, spiritual need. But I think what happens there is that the soul starts to, starts to really starve, right? The soul and, and they, and it's not a sustainable long-term thing. Even there, you're going to have, again,

[00:31:28] the eruption of the need for, for some authentic spirituality. So these societies that went very far ahead in suppressing, right? Which is mostly Western societies, right? That went very far ahead in suppressing the religious, the spiritual, especially European society. In Europe, it's even much more than in the U S like America has a lot of, has still always had, like was always a very spiritual place compared to Europe, right? Europe was, went much further. Europe, for instance,

[00:31:56] has far more secular atheists, like materialists, people who are like, you know, there's nothing, the universe is just random, you know, and it's just, there's just this, what you can see. And everything is random. There's just matter. Right. But that doesn't work long-term. So now you have like eruptions of all kinds of, all kinds of new spiritualities. We have all kinds of paganisms again, coming up, right? You can't, you can't suppress it for too long.

[00:32:23] I know from people that I've spoken with on different episodes, one of the main topics that seems to get pushed at least through podcasting here in the last several years is, and it's one of those hot topic terms, but it's almost like spiritual warfare is what they've been referring to it as. Is that something that you're familiar with in the concept of what they're, what's kind

[00:32:49] of being projected? Like we, as people are in a spiritual war against these influences, like these negative influences in our lives. Yeah. Spiritual warfare. That's, I mean, I described the book, spiritual firewall as, and as a, as equipping you for spiritual warfare. If you go to spiritual warfare,

[00:33:14] you need, you need a firewall, you need protection, right? You need a, you need an armor and you need a protection mechanism and you need a perimeter protection system, right? So that you can protect your house, your family, your life. First of all, your loved ones, right? So a lot of Americans like to have, uh, armed, like to have guns at home to protect themselves. But I, I'd like to ask them, do you,

[00:33:39] do you all, are you spiritually protected too? Because you can have all the guns you want in the world, but if you're not spiritually protected, your life's still gonna, you know, it's gonna, you know, some, you know, God forbid, but bad things will happen to, to people. You know what I mean? So the spiritual protection is, is even more important, right? Not yet. It's all right too. It's good to have material protection too, but the spiritual protection is even more important. So yeah, this, this, this is,

[00:34:08] you know, there is a, a, whether you like it or not, some people can say, oh, but I don't want to go to war, you know? I'm not a warrior. I'm a lover, you know? So, and that's okay too. And that's okay too. But the world is a, is, is a harsh place and the world has entities which are not your friend or which are hostile, right? And if you want to protect yourself and your family, you at least have to know the warfare,

[00:34:36] you know, you don't have to know the, the, basically the arts, the martial arts, the, the arts of protection, even if you don't intend to go and attack out there. And this is not what I'm teaching, right? So there are methods on the spiritual plane, on the metaphysics plane, where you're learning to attack others over a distance, right? So some people are teaching that, some people are doing that. There are certain practices where people curse others and attack others and so on, on the spiritual

[00:35:03] plane. That's not what I'm teaching. I'm teaching protection, right? So this is different. This is different. You're not going into spiritual warfare because you want to, I don't know, put a voodoo spell on other people and, and, and, you know, derail their lives. But what if somebody does it to you? Are you able to protect yourself? Right. That's kind of where I was getting with the,

[00:35:25] I was going to ask is it's, your book is called the spiritual firewall. And for someone who's listening, how can someone protect themselves? Like, is there, what can they do in a practical sense? Like what would be one of the first steps they would have to do to put up this firewall to protect themselves? Well, you see, there's a lot of methods and a lot of protocols, some of which I've extracted and I've

[00:35:53] presented in a more modern accessible way in the book. But those are specific protocols that you can do in the morning, in the evening and so on. But really it's first starts with very simple things. You see, because one was saying before that, that consciousness is connected, right? There are unseen intelligences. Where are they? They are in consciousness. They are on the spirit plane, right? And the thing that we need to understand is that their attacks first happen, attacks on the

[00:36:22] psychic plane, or, you know, what we, that eventually turns to paranormal, parapsychological events. It starts in consciousness. It starts in consciousness, right? And one of the big lies that have been told to people, especially by those who want us not to know, by those who have prohibited this knowledge, forbidden this knowledge, one of the big lies that has been told is that whatever happens in your consciousness is inconsequential. It doesn't matter, right? Oh,

[00:36:50] that's just in your consciousness. Like, oh, it's just in your mind, right? This extends to people like thinking, oh, you know, you just thought about it. It doesn't matter. It has no consequence, right? What if somebody thought like really horrific things about somebody else or, you know, whatever, right? So it doesn't have an effect. Does it have an effect? This is the question, right? And why does it matter? Why does it matter? Because when somebody is being attacked by a psychic

[00:37:16] entity, what happens first is that they start to get certain things in their consciousness. That's the first before, you know, before you start to see the weird things that happen in your house or weird thing happen, you know, to in your life where there's these uncanny, weird accidents. And, and before any of that happens, first, it starts in your consciousness. It means first you will have certain images come up. First, you will have certain thoughts come up, which are not yours,

[00:37:44] right? Which are just like, what was this? Why just getting this image, right? Why I'm getting this image, why I'm getting these thoughts, right? This is how it starts. It comes in your consciousness first or in your dreams. You will have in the dreams you will because these unseen intelligences, they work through the medium of consciousness. So they need to first get to you. And then once, you know, somebody who doesn't believe in this or somebody who doesn't know about this, they may just have those obsessive thoughts. They don't know why they're obsessively thinking

[00:38:12] about something. They're obsessively thinking about some harm or something or some, you know, some, something bad happening to themselves. They keep thinking about it. Imagine somebody suddenly just starts to constantly has this idea that something bad is going to happen to them. This weird obsessive thought keeps coming, keeps coming, keeps coming. And then suddenly some very weird situation happens where something falls on them, right? And something bad actually happens on them,

[00:38:36] right? What was the cause and effect here? If you wanted to prevent this, you would have started to control the flow of your consciousness before it materializes, before it becomes dense in matter, right? So that's why the first step is to learn to control the contents of your consciousness, right? Learn to control and understand that what happens in consciousness is consequential. It matters.

[00:39:05] It's not inconsequential. This sounds something, this long sounds like something small, right? What is that? But it's not just, you know, it's actually hard work. It's very hard work. It's actually the core of what the spiritual traditions teach. All these spiritual traditions, people sitting there meditating on mountain tops, right? Or the monastics, you know, the monks, the ancient, you know, ancient times, the ancient Christian monks, they would go to the desert. We just go to the desert and just pray and meditate.

[00:39:34] You know, for weeks and weeks and weeks. What are they doing? They're controlling their mind. They're learning to control the flow of consciousness, right? To only allow that in, which is aligned with the holy, right? Not allow in anything that will harm them or that is that is detrimental for them, right? So this is the first step you're learning. You're learning this. And he's saying like, do I have to become a monk or do I have to go sit on a mountain and meditate? No,

[00:39:59] no, you don't. There's methods that anybody, everybody can start to learn, right? And it starts with these little things. So controlling your consciousness. The next thing is, and little wins, little things, right? The next thing is, what do you allow into your space? What do you allow into your space? Because when we said before, a lot of these entities, they work through symbols. They work through symbols, right? The aggregors

[00:40:24] are connected to symbols. Do you allow those symbols in your space? Do you allow, you know, for instance, do you allow certain logos in your space? What if there's a logo that belongs to some entity that is using these psyops to get to people and you have your house is full of those logos, for instance, right? And you're seeing those every day. You're seeing those every day. So when you ask me, what can you do? It's first, first you start with little things before you start to learn these big

[00:40:54] protocols and these big operations and these big metaphysical steps, right? The breathing and the focus and the visualization and all of that stuff. Before you learn that you do some little things, you clear up, you know, so you asked me, you know, if you ask me, if you want to protect yourself, what's the first thing you should do? Clean your house. Clean your house. Like, you know, your house. Because when there's clutter, when there's clutter

[00:41:20] there, your consciousness is also within that state of chaos, right? And you're more susceptible for influences to come in. It's a very, very small thing, right? Very small thing. But that's how it starts. That's how it starts. So that's how it starts. And then it goes all the way to massive metaphysical operations where you excise demons, right? Those exist too.

[00:41:45] Do you think that when people have intrusive thoughts, you kind of like something bad is going to happen, but what about the people that are just driving along and for some reason, something pops in their head? I know this sounds crazy, but like you see something like on the side of the road, like you're going across the bridge and for some reason your brain just goes, I wonder what it would be like to just go right off the side of the bridge. Some people call those intrusive thoughts. Is that something that you think is being influenced to them that their brain would just

[00:42:13] automatically go to that route? Well, it's either, it's either that or it's some internal distortions that they have, right? So you either have internal distortions, right? Because you're not, you know, you're as a human being, you're not programmed or made to do that, right? So if you're having that, those thoughts,

[00:42:39] there's either an internal distortion, right? Or it's externally implanted. And there's a test for you. There's a test. You can apply a test. If anybody has this situation, you can apply a test. You can re-remember, right? Reminisce, remember, re-kind of visualize and make that moment present when that

[00:43:06] voice came or that thought came, right? That thought came that you should go off the bridge or whatever, right? And you can try to pay attention. You need to have, like, you need to meditate for that. Like, you need to just meditate. When I say meditate, it doesn't mean like sitting like a Buddha, you know, you know, having the stance and learning the Lotus and stuff like that. You know, you can meditate by just getting calm, like just being very calm and going introspective. You know, allowing, you need to allow

[00:43:32] your inner voice and your inner eye to see without distraction because normally we're always distracted by the monkey mind, right? Oh, I should do this. Oh, I should do that. Oh, this, oh, this, you know, this just happened. You know, all these thoughts, right? All these little, little thoughts. Learn to silence those. Then you can, then you can introspect and then you can see consciousness for itself, right? So there's some work required, but then, so you do the test and you remember that situation

[00:44:01] and you listen to that voice again and you just try to listen to the tone it had, to the tone it had, right? To the tone, to the intonation and to the sort of energy it had, that voice, right? When it said, like, go off the bridge or whatever. And you try to feel it and you try to feel it. It's like, is that my voice or is that, does that sound weird and alien? It's not really my voice, right? Right. Is that my voice or is it not my voice? I call this the not my voice,

[00:44:30] the my voice check test, right? So, so you can apply this test and, and this, this test will tell you, right? It's not enough on its own. Like you need more indicators. You need more, you know, you need more indicators to do your forensics and tell like, okay, this is what, what this was. This is where it came from. I have those in the book as well. Right. But this is a great starting point

[00:44:54] to tell you whether this, this voice is inserted or whether it's your own distortion, right? Because it could be your own distortion. It could be that yourself, you know, you have some childhood thing that happened or whatever, and you're distorted about that still, you haven't cleared that up. Right. So that's possible too, but it could also be that it's inserted. It's not really yours. Yeah. I've, I personally don't have those thoughts, but I know several people that have brought them up to

[00:45:24] me before, like not even on the show, but like just in general life, people like you ever think about stuff like that? I'm like, no, I mean, I don't know. That's a common thing to think about. Yeah. So it's one of those things when you were talking about, I was like, I wonder if people's that have these random thoughts pop in their brain, if they're being influenced by something that drives them to want to do something like it's almost, I don't want to say self-harm, but it's basically what it would be. Like if you do go off and do something like drive off the bridge, obviously,

[00:45:51] you're probably not going to survive, but you know, like, why does that just automatically pop in someone's mind? So it's just kind of one of those random events that I was thinking about when you're talking about that. Yeah, absolutely. There's so many other patterns like that too. Right. And it, this can be, if it's really, so it can be different sources for this, right? It can be that for instance, there is a spirit that wants to speak to them, right? There's, or there's an intelligence that wants to speak to that wants to, that wants to communicate with them, leave them

[00:46:21] a message, right? That exists too, can be benevolent. It doesn't have to be necessarily intrusive, malevolent, malicious, influence, or takeover attack, hostile takeover attack, right? But those exist too. Those exist too, where, where there is, you know, where there is openings created. And, and the thing is, it starts small, it starts with small things. There's also, you know, once you

[00:46:45] realize that the unseen world has different grades of intelligences and different grades of entities, right? Then we understand also, when you're, you know, when people engage in certain activities that are not healthy, not good for, not good for them, right? Going into environments that are unhealthy, that are sort of, you know, could be a variety of different, different ideas that, you know, everybody has,

[00:47:09] maybe there's their own vices that they have to work on overcoming and, and not falling into, right? And that they know that it's bad for them, right? Everybody, you know, because I'm something like, they know that this is bad for them, but they still do that, right? And they need, this is actually one of the things to become healthy, spiritual healthy. We can't allow those kind of openings. Because it's not just that you have a bad conscience about this, this whatever, you know, I'm not going to go into examples, but everybody I'm sure can think of a scenario,

[00:47:36] right? It's not just that it's bad for you that you have a bad conscience. It's also that when you go in certain unhealthy situations, right, you start to get, you attract those lower level, so-called astral parasites or etheric parasites, right? This something happens on the, on the unseen plane, where things attach to that person. And basically, if you were, you know, we said at the beginning, people cannot see,

[00:48:05] we can't see the unseen realm. That's why it's called unseen, right? Well, but, but there are actually some who over time have learned to see it and have brought us the reports, right? And it's when you say see, it's not the same see as like, like, you know, I'm just looking at a person and I'm seeing their aura, and I'm seeing like all kinds of things attached to them. It's not that clear, at least not for,

[00:48:31] for people who are not like fully developed on, on a, on an absolutely, you know, high level, unimaginably high level, right? But what we can see is sometimes there's snippets of thoughts. Sometimes there's images that you get. Sometimes there's dream images that you get, and you can actually develop your inner eye as well to start to see in your inner eye. So feelings that you get, and when you think about that person and you start to get this association or this feeling,

[00:48:59] and you can start to see the unseen, right? And you can start to see it for yourself too. And what I'm, what I was saying about those lower level entities is that these attacks, they can, they can attack you, they can impact you more if you are open for it. It means if you're open is if you have, if you have weakened your defenses, or if you have weakened your system by allowing those lower level attachments over

[00:49:27] time, you will be more susceptible or more easy to attack by some larger event or by some larger force on the psychic plane on the unseen level realm, right? So, so there's a whole science to this. There's a whole science to this. And this is, this is what, what I was saying at the beginning when I say

[00:49:51] that in the past, or traditional societies, they had this all mapped out and they had systems for this, right? And this got lost. Like people don't know about this anymore. Not that much, but, but, but, you know, conversation like, like ours, I think they're happening a lot, a lot more now where modern people were, you know, contemporary modern people who are just completely, you know, placed in, in this life and doing things

[00:50:16] in this life. We're starting to rediscover and learn again. I think a lot of people now, as we spoke a little bit, like the open-mindedness of society has become more this way. And I think more people have kind of started to go back towards the spirituality aspect to it because, and I don't want to sound like my show's done anything for it, but I think with, even with podcasts and the way we've had things now, it's opened up

[00:50:42] the possibility for people to hear things, listen, watch. There's been more things open for them to find as beforehand, it wasn't so like a popular topic at the time. So within the last like 15 years, I'd say more people have been drawn towards this stuff because they've had more, you know, maybe even social media has influenced that, but that also comes back to the double-edged sword is I think no,

[00:51:06] social media and stuff is also a negative influence to a lot of things. So people see this stuff that's on there. And again, we kind of talked about like the propaganda, the psyops are everything's being controlled. So what would for someone on a skeptical plane think that stuff, stuff that we've talked about today, isn't actually something that is being propagated to them?

[00:51:33] Yeah. Yeah, it's not obviously, I mean, it's not propagated. And when it is propagated, then only in sort of distorted forms, actually, you know, you can't hide the truth for too long. You see, there's the saying like, you can't hide three things you can't hide for too long, the sun, the moon and the truth. Right? And, and even if you have suppressed and oppressed this knowledge, which, which, which has happened for the last, whatever, 100 years or 200 years or whatever,

[00:52:00] it's going to come up again. And where it's coming up right now is in the pop culture and in the shows, right? In the net, go on Netflix or whatever. I don't watch Netflix. I mean, it's all, it's, it's full of, it's full of predictive programming and psyops and so on, but there's some good shows on there still sometimes. Right? And, and you need to be very, very selective, very, very selective. Right? But go on any, any, any contemporary series or show or whatever. Right?

[00:52:27] And it's, and it's full of, it's full of these, it's full of paranormal, full of parapsychology. It's full of spirit entities. It's like, like there isn't a show which doesn't have it right. It's like, it's really prevalent, really widespread, right? Much, much more than you would think if, if it was just like, you know, if the shows were the same as what's propagated as what you were just

[00:52:52] saying as what's propagated as official truth. Right? So why is that? Why is that? Because people have that need, as I was saying, people have that needed. And also the knowledge that was suppressed, it's not gone. It's not gone. You still have the cultural memory. You still have the historical memory. It's not gone. It's still underneath, you know, it's still there. If you dig a little bit deeper, it's still there. And that's why it's going to return.

[00:53:18] When you've been researching this and obviously the things that you've experienced throughout life, what is something that's really reinforced your beliefs and all this? Like, what have you had like personally happen or experience that you can, that you made you more into a believer of this? Of what specifically?

[00:53:44] Like the metaphysical realm, like the whole, the spiritual realm and all like, obviously you've had something to where you've researched it. It's influenced you to do what you're doing. What is something that you believe, like that sticks out as a personal experience that you've had that's made you like influenced you?

[00:54:07] This is a good, this is a good question. Well, there's, there was many steps along the journey of how, when I, when I was, you know, when I turned from a skeptic, a materialist skeptic sort of, right? Like that I was for some time and into, into understanding and, and opening my eyes and being more open and going step by step. And it was almost like there was some forceful events where I had like,

[00:54:37] these are karmic or destined events where people came into my life and opened my eyes and like, Hey, you're blind. What are you doing? You know? It's like, just pay attention a little bit, right? Just pay attention. And there are things in under, you know, heaven and earth that, for which you're, that your philosophy does not account for. Right. And, and this, this had, had to be told to me.

[00:54:59] Some of these are very, very personal. So I wouldn't necessarily share them. But, but yeah, there were times when, when I had experience, when I, you know, when, when things happened that are basically not explicable on the consensus reality, reality model, right? There's, there's many instances, there's many instances for that. I mean, the smallest things are telepathy where, you know,

[00:55:27] that's, that's the smallest things, right? But it goes all the way up to where people are able to do things and communicate across dimensions and see through people and read the past and know things that they shouldn't be knowing where people can influence the forces of nature just because of, just by their being and where people can have a, have knowledge, you know, have knowledge and have

[00:55:57] vision that is not explicable normally. It's not explicable. Right. And they can heal. There's people who can heal. Right. And I've experienced that firsthand. Right. There's people who can heal others who are told that there's no hope for them. Right. There's no hope for them and they're, they're gone and you know, there's nothing that can be done for them and they can be healed through spirit. Right. And, and in those instances they communicate and they see and they bring things down.

[00:56:24] Right. And there is communication and convergence and, and, and, and conversations across those, across those levels that are not supposed to be there. Right. And once you have experienced that several, a couple of times, you start to see like, okay, wait a moment. Like, why am I, why am I still holding on to, you know, there's some, I need to evolve to understand. Right. And then, and then you start to see that there is a whole body that makes explains all of

[00:56:52] this. And then you start to gain the experiences yourself. So I would say the first few experiences where, where other people did stuff that was not supposed to be possible. And, and then I started to learn the methods myself. And once I learned the methods myself and I'd spent time, I really learned the methods, all of them, you know, I went and I read and I, and I applied and I went and I really learned the methods, right. How to communicate, how to go into, how to see the, how to see the, the, the

[00:57:22] phenomena, the, the beings that are the entities, how to, how to have an understanding and how to navigate that world. And once you start to do the practices, you start to get the evidence yourself. You will get the evidence. Anybody, you know, you will start to do the practices. You will get the evidence yourself. So that's kind of where I'm getting to with the point of this conversation is like, for people out there who are a skeptic, like the best way for someone, if they wanted to argue all

[00:57:50] this is like psychology or it's all just made up or whatever, what is the best way to approach a skeptic when it comes to stuff like this? Like with anyone out there listening, it says this is all a bunch of crap. How can they look into something to have their own sort of spiritual awakening? I guess. It's not needed really. So I want to turn that question around. It's not really needed because

[00:58:17] when, you know, when everybody will make the experiences that they need in their own time, right? The first thing is to, you don't need to convince anybody on the, especially on the mental level and the reasons and arguments you can't, you know, because people are going to have arguments. This is the nature of the mind. The nature of the mind is, this is why you see philosophers, two philosophers never agree with each other. And they've having had, they've had the same debates

[00:58:43] for thousands of years. This philosopher says, the nature of reality is this, that philosopher says, is that right. And the same argument goes on for thousands of years and there's no conclusion to it. Right? They have the exact same positions that they had 3000 years ago. The philosophers, right? Why? Because you can't through argument alone, you can't persuade anybody. There's no, you can say whatever you want. There's nothing you can through argument alone. You cannot persuade

[00:59:10] anybody, but have that person have an experience once and the whole worldview will crumble. Right? So it's the experience that can change it. Not the argument, not your argument. You, that's why I would say, look, don't argue, you know, don't argue. It's just share your experience. If you had the experience, share it, share it. If you're authentic, if you're real, right? If you, it will come across. People notice, people have a sense for that. People sense if somebody's

[00:59:36] bullshitting or if somebody is authentic, right? That's an innate sense we have. Right? So if you had experiences, share it, but don't also overshare with everybody. Like, hey, everybody in the world, like, you know, any, some people are just not ready for this. They don't want to hear it. It's fine. Right? They're skeptics. Okay. But if you're, you asked, what if a skeptic is listening? Well, the skeptic is listening to you. So the skeptic is already, this skeptic is already searching, is already sort of, right? Even, you know, it's very funny. So many skeptics who go out there to

[01:00:05] debunk stuff, right? Sometimes they become the greatest kind of, they have these conversion events that happen, right? They go in and they discover all this stuff and then they completely turn around. Right? And it's actually funny because you see it normally, if somebody doesn't care, they wouldn't come and, they wouldn't come and spend so much time. If somebody is a skeptic, who's already searching and digging and trying to sort of debunk stuff with their arguments,

[01:00:35] I would say that this person already had the, already had an experience because now their mind is fighting to save their, their worldview that they had before, you know? So they're fighting and they're bringing all the arguments and they're like, no, this can't be, you know, there's, I have more arguments still, you know? So, so I wouldn't say any, I wouldn't argue with them. I would say like, okay, my friend, you know, you will see when your time comes.

[01:01:02] Well, we've been going on for close to an hour. I figured before we wrap this up, I will ask, is there anything specifically that you would like to discuss? That question is usually asked at the beginning, not at the end of the conversation. Yeah. I do things my own way here. Wonderful. No, I, I was very happy to have this conversation with you. And I think we went through

[01:01:28] a lot of, a lot of beautiful ideas and thoughts that I'm glad to have had the opportunity to share. So thanks for that opportunity. Oh, I definitely appreciate you coming on here. Would you like to let the audience know where they can find your book and any other information you may have out there for them? Yeah, the book is spiritual firewall. They'll be able to find it when they search for it, spiritual

[01:01:53] firewall. And as this is going to air, you said late August or September. Yeah. Most likely. So by that time they'll be able to see not just the book, but the entire system, the entire society, it's a society of operative metaphysicists or a society of, of practical, practical development where people want

[01:02:20] to learn the methods and people want to apply those methods. Currently it's in, in not public, it's behind, you know, it's not public. It's a, it's people. There's a group of people all around the world who are working currently, but in August, it's going to be already public and they'll be able to find it. It's called the ultra sapien society, ultra sapien.org. So they'll be able to find that too. And the book

[01:02:45] spiritual firewall is part of this larger system. And yeah, I just wish everybody, I just wish anybody who perhaps listens to this and perhaps gets an idea of, of engaging a little bit more with, with their, this, if I can share this, I would like to just give something as a last kind of, Yeah. Yeah.

[01:03:10] That thing to pass along to, to your, to your listeners. If that's, if that's cool, Brandon. Yeah, that's good with me. Like I said, when I asked if you had anything to talk, I don't have a specific time limit, so whatever you want to share, that's good. That's cool. Cool. That's cool. It was already, there would be, this would be sort of a last thought to wrap. I would say that when you, you see, this is very important for me that there was

[01:03:36] these traditions, these is there was these traditions and people, if they dig, if they dig, they will find in their own family history, maybe they will find a couple of generations back. If they talk to the older folks, if they're still around, and if they dig a little bit, maybe in those, whatever genealogies and whatnot, they will find that even in their own lineage, this knowledge existed because this is a, this was really like a coordinated psyop where everything was suppressed

[01:04:04] over the last hundred years or so, right? They will find that there was practices and knowledge and it was passed on over generations. And it's very important that we re-learn those and that we revive those and that everybody learns also the practices that are more, that fit their own line and their karma and their, and their family line, right? Their family, their lineage and where they come from, their nature, you know, their, their upbringing, where they are posited, where they are placed, right?

[01:04:32] This is important that we start to look back and we learn these practices which were hidden, right? And, and, and then it's about experimenting and learning for yourself. It's, you know, about practicing, learning, experimenting for your, for yourself and, and, and sharing with others, right? Sharing with others and learning and sharing with others so that you have a community, so that you're not just, not just for yourself and just going into your world more and more and just, just having these

[01:05:01] ideas of what's happening to you, you need to share that with other people. It's very important to, it gives you grounding, right? It gives you grounding. This is also one of the reasons why we have a society for this, right? Again, it's called ultrasapien.org. So that's the last thing that I wanted to share and just wish everybody well who listened to this. Awesome. So for anyone listening, I'll make sure to include that website in the show notes. That way, when this airs, it will be available for them.

[01:05:30] Awesome. Thank you so much, Brandon. Yep. Thank you. And I just want to say for anyone out there listening, make sure to check out the website, make sure to check out the book spiritual work or spiritual firewall about called spiritual warfare. Just got that thinking in my head. But again, it's been a pleasure talking with you. Amazing. Well, all the best for you. And perhaps there's a next time. Until then, all the best. Thank you. You have a good one.

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