Ep. 242: My Twin Brother and I Lost Two Hours of Time

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me. Away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were glowing red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps. Like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw a UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw. The top of the muzzle, noose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing. I don't like death. I'd like to take this time of welcome my guest and I J J. Thanks for coming on here talking. With me, No problem, man, Thank you for having me. Would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself before we get into it. Oh yeah, I'm from upstate New York. I'm in my forties. I have an identical twin brother. If you guys are familiar with Pine Bush, New York, I'm not too far from there, maybe like a twenty minutes rive from Pine Bush and that area. If you if you know anything about the Pine Busch area, it's apparently the UFO capital or UAP capital of New York. So yeah, I'm not too familiar with that area, but when you say it's the UFO. Capital, yeah, the UFO Hunters came out, came out p Bush to do a show. The show with the former FBI agent who came out here to do a show. They have a uf They have a UFO Festival every year, which one year I got to meet Travis Walton, very very nice guy. So I guess we'll get right into it. So the out the most i'd say, the most critical thing that's happened to me in my life. Would it happened in two thousand and three with my identical twin brother and my cousins. Well, my brother's name is Mike and we'll call my cousin Burger, So it's it was late late October, late November, beginning of December in two thousand and three, and we just thought me and my brother decided to go down to Middletown to pick up my cousin, which Middletown is the next county over. It's also not too far from from Pine Bush. So we head down there around like twelve o'clock. But we make a stop at a local garage because I know one of where our buddi's down and down the Middletown is looking for a car. And when we drive by we're past this garage, there was a ah a crch. You remember those little skate little skate looking Hondas from like the early from like the eighties and nineties. So I talked to the gentleman about that, told my buddy about it. We went down there, went down the middletown, picked up my cousin, and my friend brought him back up, paid for the car, parked the car at my house, we drove him, drove him back down to his house in Middletown, and came back up with my cousin. Right, so, we're hanging out with my cousin at the house, playing video games and just killing and then around like sixty six forty, we decide we're gonna head back down to Orange County and we getting we get in the car. Now, my car that I had plays a huge role in what happened I had at the time, I had a nineteen ninety court two door managed okay, and so we get in the car. I'm driving, and my brother is in the passenger seat and Burger is in the rear seat. Now, at this point in my life, I'm gonna admit it, I was fat. I was like three hundred and fifty pounds, My brother was like two twenty, and then my cousin was like three hundred and three hundred pounds or so, which I think that plays a little bit of role into what happened. Also, So i'm exit number, so I'll just tell you the exit names. We left my house at six forty. We get towards Worksboro Mountain and we start cresting Worksborough Mountain And at the peak of Worksborough Mountain on the highway, which is seventeen, there is where you're going. Where you're resting the hill of the mountain, there's a rock face on your left hand side and a rock face on your right hand side, and an overpass. Once you get past the overpass, you start going down down the highway towards Orange County, which is like blooming Bloomberg area, and the rock faces open up and I'm the one driving. I'm doing about seventy miles an hour. And when the rock face opens up, now it's nighttime out. Remember it's December, late in November, early December. When the rock face falls off, you can see if you look off to the left, you can see for miles. That is just a clear shot. So when the rock off to the side and I see in the Tiango and they're really spaced out, and I'm like, that's that's weird. Because I've driven down this road thousands of times and back my parents care when I got my lips always look over there. Never seen the look light. I've never seen anything like that before. So I'm like, all right, So I look back at the road, go down a little get down there a little bit more, and I looked back and the two bottom lights had disappeared. They weren't there anymore. So I'm like, what the hell is this? And now my brother's like painting and he's like, yo, two of them disappeared. Back up the road for another second, and then look back and the lights were back in the position they were. So I'm like that that's not right. And I couldn't tell you why, but I got an urge to I need to find this light. I need to go see it. And now after the fact I've closed, I've traveled that distance from where I first initially saw those lights to the exit that I took. It's four and a half miles on the highway. Hey, I got to urge to go look and go find these lights. So we drive down the highway. We hop off the fair Oaks exit. Like I said, I don't not go with eggit numbers. But when you pull off the fair Oaks and you can make a left and then another left, and it takes you on an overpass back across the highway and then you end up in like the backwoods of fair Oaks, sore were it's we're in the backwards. We're in the backwards of fair Oaks. And I make a couple like sharp turns, and I find myself in a I knows, and we're in a field. And if you can picture it, you got trees on your left, trees on your right, and open space in the middle. And in the middle of this open space is just huge ball of white lake. I got out the car, I turned the car off. I'm standing there the door over my brother and my cousin are yelling at me, like, yo, what the hell is wrong with you? You need to get back in the car. I'm like, no, no, no, I need to see this. So I'm standing there and I start to realize, like it throwns on me. This thing looks like it's getting bigger. So I looked lean in the car and I'm like, yo, is this thing getting bigger? Now They're really yelling at me to get in the car. And that's when it gone on me. It wasn't getting bigger, it was coming closer to the car, right, So I can tell you this. What I remember is getting back in the car and closing the door. Now, remember I said it's a five speed manual, so it's a name, so you got to push the clutch to start the car. I do not remember pushing the clutch. I do not remember turning the ignission on. I do not remember do not remember reversing out of the spot or backshacking on the roads to get back over to like the overpass. What I do remember is after closing the door, I wake up or come to or whatever, and I'm driving the car and I'm looking out of the path, out of the driver's side window up in the sky at that ball of White Lake, and it's like over on the other side of highway, but it's pacing us. It finally breaks off, and then we head to my cousin's house, which is like another five ten minutes from where we were, like on the back roads. So we get to my cousin's house and his dad like normally we'd hang out down there, but we get down there and his dad absolutely rips us and north, what the hell, Why the hell are you coming here so late? Why are you buys bla blah blah blah, And we just kind of took it, and my cousin went upstairs, closed his door. Me and my brother hot back in the car, which, like I said, was weird because normally we just hung out down there. But we got back in the car and we left, and me and my brother really didn't talk like the whole ride. And then like the next day he comes up. He's he's coming up to me. He's like, you know, we didn't get the Burger's house until like nine thirty. I'm like, what are you talking about. He's like, yeah, when we pulled up, the burgers out the clock or your car set nine thirty. We saw those lights around like seven o'clock, like initially on the highway and then uh, it was maybe about between seven ten and seven fifteen when I was in the when I nosed into the field. So we lost apparently we lost like to out at least two hours of time. And it's really weird what's happened in the aftermath of that, because myself, my brother, and my cousin, we've all woken up with there are like strange marks on us. I actually had a video of something that was in my shin. My brother has something in his foot, my cousin constantly wakes up with like handprints on him on his wrist and everything. We've woken up with our close closed chains. That clothes that we went to bed end wasn't the same ones we woke up with clothes reversed. Yeah, So the thing about so one night, we were supposed to have a buddy of ours come on to come on the channel and supposed to talk about something that happened to him, but something was going on with his son and he couldn't come on. So me and my brother end up talking about the experience we had and one of the listeners that we have. He's a remote viewer, so he asked he acted in the stream, and he's like in the chat, he's like, Yo, you guys, mind if I try to remote you what happened to me? And I said, yeah, sure, go ahead, why not. So after a few minutes he comes back and we put him, we invite him into the stream and he begins to tell us what he saw. And he said what he saw was that ball of light. It was so bright that it caused like spots on his eyes. And when he actually got into the encounter, what he said was that these things, whatever they were, had me and my twin brother sat on like a bench type deal, I think, and they were conversing back and forth with us, and they had my cousin off in the corner and they weren't really concerned with him. And so he starts revealing all this stuff and I killed the stream. I completely turned off the stream. I was like, yo, I'm not doing this tonight. But yeah, since then, we still have had like weird stuff happened to us. Like two weeks two, I woke up with something in my forearms. So but after that, we after that experience, We've had numerous UFO sightings where we've had people with us. We've had a group of people with us when we saw a i'd say, his six foot mantle ray shaped craft fly overhead and we all watched it for like five minutes. If you'd like, I have a black helicopter experience. Yeah, we can talk about that here in a second. I was gonna ask you a couple of questions. Yeah, sure, true. So you said when they were talking everything, they weren't interested in your brother, were they weren't interested in my cousin, your cousin? Okay, my sorry? What were they interested in? Though? Did you ever figure that out? I don't know. I mean we've we've speculated privately back and forth, like maybe it has to do with like being identical twins something like that. I don't know, maybe genetics, because technically we are, like my cousin is through my mom's side of the family, so we are blood, you know what I mean. So, I honestly don't have an answer for that one. The only thing I can think of is they're they're interested in twins and how twins come about? Maybe is there any other what does your cousin remember about all letters. He not ever really talked about it. My it's it's over twenty years now, and my cousin. Every time I talk to my cousin, he blamed me. He refuses us to talk about it, like I have my brother's point of view, I have my point of view, and I just we don't we don't know what Burger saw because Burger would have been in the back seat, so if they had taken us out of the car, he would have been the last one to come out of the come out of the car, you know. And he just he won't talk about he'll update us on like stuff that's hit, like the marks on him and stuff like that, but he won't he won't talk about what happened in three not at all. The marks on him, what kind of of marks like like like he's been grabbed. Okay, I've talked to people that have had random like grid patterned red grid pattern marks on them and they're not even sure how they get those. So I didn't know if it was something similar to that. No, he's he's got he's got what looks like uh brad marks around his wrists. Like for I'd say a year after this experience, after that experience, I would get this sharp like needle like pain right where right in between my shoulder blade and where the where your spine is, and it's it will be like right underneath the skin, and it would it would feel like you're getting a hot needle pressed into you, and it would You could feel it for like two minutes, and then all of a sudden it will stop. It's just a lot of weird stuff happening. After the experience in all. Three do you think this experience? Have you had any more similar experience to this? Because I was going to ask you if you think your cousin's actually still having these experiences, But have you had any yourself or your brother? I couldn't tell you if I do or not. There was a gentleman we used to associate with and he had looked into he had he had a spiritual connection m hm. And he had that spiritual spiritual connection look into what was going on with us, and that connection told him that we were still being watched. I feel like when I've talked to other people, they say that too, that once they're abducted, it's almost like they're being monitored after that, like they keep an eye on the same people. It's almost like I've thought, like how we sometimes tag sharks. Sometimes it will find a shark in the world, they'll put a tag on it, and they keep track of what the shark's doing. I've almost felt like that's what if these things are extraterrestrials, they would do the same thing, Like they're monitoring us. I think once they get once they get a hold of a bloodline that they're interested in, they monitor that bloodline, like because I can tell you some of my mom used to tell us stories about what was going on with my dad when we were younger, and then like when when our mother passed away, we started going through all her stuff, when we started finding all these like different books like Whitley Streebers Secret School, like all these all these paranormal and UFO and alien related books. That would actually correlate to what you said about your cousin me and on your mom's side too. If they're interested in your dad's bloodline. They're they are they were. I think they're interested in both sides of my family because my mother had a brother. My mother had a brother who had similar experiences to what we did, and he was really, really into all this stuff, and she would tell us stories about him also, and he told us a few, a few stories about Like one of them was an encounter he had while he was going fishing with this little three foot being made of light. So and then like my father, this one's wild. He used to work out what's called the infirmary here in Solowa County, and this is where they take care of like old people and stuff like that. But my mother told us that one night he was working and gray aliens came through the wall after him, and he hid underneath a desk and called what called my grandfather to come and get him in the middle of his shift because he refused to stay there any longer. Hmm. So I'm I think they're interested in both sides of my family, and it just so happens that me and my brother are the only set of twins on both sides of the family. Right the way your cousin's reacting like it doesn't surprise me, because a lot of people seem to react that way about certain things. But it makes me wonder if he's got these marks and stuff, if he's not also still experiencing something and he just doesn't want to talk about it. He might not. Like his kids are older than mine, and his daughters used to tell him that the little the little uh, the little gray men would mess with their feet at night. Yeah, I don't like that. Yeah, I don't like that at all myself. Myself, I've got I've I have myself have five boys, you know what I mean. So none of them have said anything weird to me like that, But then again, I haven't really asked them. So it's one of those things that I've made the mistake before of asking, and sometimes it's better off not knowing. I feel like, yeah, I was just like, if they can. I've heard ways that you can stop them from taking you, but it's like, can you really really stop that? Can you really stop them from coming after your family? Once they have? Like, once they have, I guess you're quote unquote stent. A lot of people lately have been talking about and this is more podcasting than anything, but they claim if you are being abducted, they say to say the Lord's name Jesus Christ and everything like that, like more of a religious aspect, and it doesn't allow them to take you anymore and they leave you alone. I don't know if that's true or not. I mean, but it makes you wonder if that is really true, why would that stop them? So it's it's kind of strange. Yeah, Like I just it's over twenty it's been over twenty years. I still don't know what to make it is. I've been asked numerous times like, oh, the guilt do you want to do? Not a progression? And I'll think about it for a few minutes and I'll really, I'll really think about it. But then I've listened to the Betty and Barney Ill dates No thank you, That man's sounded terrify, and I don't really want to, like, you know, I mean, if something weird did happen like that, I don't want to remember. That, right. I'm also leary of hypnotic regression anyways, because sometimes and I'm not faulting the people that are involved in her, the people that stand by it, but sometimes I feel like you're opening up stuff that might not actually be accurate, and it's being it's planted in there, so we're asking for stuff and you're subconsciously putting in this false memory and it makes things worse overall. No, yeah, I completely agree. So anyone listening and if you're into hypnotherapy or anything. I'm not trying to talk anyone out of it. I'm just saying me personally, I would not do that. Yeah, really think about it before you be where you do it, because you don't you never know what kind of kind of mayhem your opening yourself up to exactly. That's always been my thing is I'm already skeptical about a lot of stuff anyways, And that's just another thing that as on my bucket of I'm not sure about and I don't want to test it out. Yeah, so you mentioned the black helicopters. You want to talk a little bit about. It, Yeah, all right. So this happened in two thousand and five. There used to be a resort in this area called Putures, and I worked as a valet there. Now this happened in the summertime. So what happened was one night I was working by myself. I was the valet, and a couple came in. I brought their stuff inside, parked the car, and I took the car and I parked it up in the upper lot, which is like up the street a little bit get off car lockage, like a like a minute walk back down to the to the main lobby. So outside the smoke cigarette. Right after lighting my cigarette, I start looking up in the sky and I see this three or four amber colored diamond shaped lights just there's a really slow across the sky, and I'm like, what the hell is that? Right? So I know that if I go up to the top of the seven hundred wing, onto the onto the roof, you can see for miles around. So I run. I put the cigarette out, and I run back down to the main lobby, and I grabbed the security guard because I know he's into the UFO everything too, and we both go up to the top of the seven hundred wing and we sit there for about five to ten minutes watching numerous amber colored diamond shaped lights just slowly move across the sky, back and forth, back and forth, and until they finally just like implode on themselves. Right. So I'm like, oh, I'm okay, that was cool. So he goes back on the main lobby. I stay up there for a few more minutes to warm my spirit. So that night I went home and I learned my lesson. Now, I went on that national UFO reporting website and I reported it. I can bring it up. Now. I have a few different reports on there, but I reported on that UFO reporting website. And then the next day. Come the next day, it's like twelve o'clock. I'm working by myself again because the hotel is not really busy, and I'm sitting in the main lobby reading reading a magazine and I hear a helicopter come over like the main entrance. So me being a guy, I'm like, Oh, that's a helicopter. I'm gonna go check it out because it sounds really long and really close. So I walk out the front door and there's a black helicopter sitting over the driveway of the main entrance. So I'm like, that's what. So it lifts up and then takes up, takes off over the hotel and goes to the back of the hotel. So when you go through, so I run through the main lobby. So when you're going through the main lobby, if you make a right and go up the little steps, it'll put you to the little bar that they have called the Deep End Lounge. If you go through the Deep End Lounge the back of the door in there, it'll pick you out to the back of the hotel, which in the back area at the hotel they have a little a little man made pond or lake or whatever. They used to have rowboats and stuff like that out there. But when I come out, when I come bursting out the back door, that black helicopter is sitting maybe about twenty feet over the water, and the pilot is looking dead at me. And I'm looking right at him. And what was weird was I can see it clear enough that I can see he had on a black helmet and a black black black eye goggals right, But the rest of his face you could see, like his mouth and everything. It was a pasty way. It was really like a dead body type color. So I'm like, what the hell? And then he looks at me for about ten seconds. The helicopter lifts up and then pulls off to the left, and after about five seconds, you couldn't hear it anymore. I don't know if they're were telling me like, Okay, we know you saw something. Shut up about it, right. It had no markings on it. It kind of looked like an Apache, but without weapons, Like it didn't have guns on it or anything. There's been a lot of people that talk about seeing stuff that looked like those black apaches that fly over certain areas. And I remember watching something recently and I forget exactly what it was, but that someone was talking about in this area they usually see unmarked helicopters and sure enough, right, and it's almost like it was playing out and on queue. So I'm not saying it wasn't like something common or whatever, but I remember watching like it's sure enough, as they talked about it, here was an unmarked helicopter flying overhead. So what are they doing? That happens a few That happens quite a lot around here, I. Know up in that area. You guys had a bunch of drone issues last year too. Did you ever see any of it? Of those things? Yeah, yes I did. One night, I sat on the back porch of my job and just recorded just look at the kind of recording. I must recorded maybe about fifteen of. Them, because where I work at it's just it gets completely pitched of black outside, so you can almost see like the milky Way, that's how clear it gets. There's no light pollution, and I must have seen it. I must have watched about fifteen of them that night. There has been a lot lately again, it's almost like it seems to pick up towards the falling into the winter that people start reporting and seeing a lot more drones, and it's kind of died off again. But I remember it's about December of last year where it really took off over and around Jersey and stuff. I think the drones are ar tech. Yeah, I don't think the drones are I don't think the drones have anything to do with extra terrestrials or quote unquote non human intelligences, which is just of can I'll tell you what I think about their their their terms, the terminology that they're throwing out there now. Sure, so when they use the term non human intelligences, they're not just talking about extraterrestrials. That's like, when you really look at it, they're talking about anything that is intelligent by flot dog man, extra dimensional beings. They all of that is encompassed in that non human intelligence. See you know what I mean, right, And the unknown aerial phenomenon that's not just u ats that could be portals opening in the sky, that could be all kinds of stuff. They're just using that as a broad rush to cover other stuff that they're looking into. That's that's what I think about that. Well, now that you mentioned fay, that's going to bring me back to your original encounter. Do you think what you encountered was actually extraterrestrial or could it possibly be something of interdimensional or fay related because a lot of the old fairy stories from years and years ago are very similar to people talking about alien abduction stories, lost time, missing, they don't remember, things like very similar to what people experienced today. They were experiencing hundreds of years ago over in Europe, and they called it ferries. See it's that's kind of hard because you have to look at it with the terminology they were using at the time, right, yeah, you know what I mean. So like like people in like biblical times and then when they were talking about like is the deals wheel and stuff like that, that's the terminalogy that they had, like a wheel in the sky. They might not have had terminology, Oh that's a flying disc, you know what I mean. So I get it depends on the terminology that they're using. But I think the Fay do play a huge part and in some of this stuff because apparently there they are tricksters, so they could be fooling people to think like, oh, it is extra terrestrial. Then again, there we are. I think we are being visited by actra terrestrials, Like I have no doubt about that. I just I don't know what took us, right, and kind of I kind of don't. I'm not sure I want to know. I think I feel like I would would. Yeah, I would want to know, but at the same time that I'm a more curious person when it comes to stuff like that, Like that's the whole my whole reason for doing the show is I want answers for stuff. So I think me being curious, would want to know. But at the same time, I understand why you wouldn't. Yeah, it would probably be a shock to the system, right, it might It might start coming back naturally without regression, because I heard like people start remembering stuff when they get into their like forties and everything like that. And I just turned forty one this year, So maybe it'll all start coming back one day and we'll wake me up in a cold sware something. Sometimes I wonder if our dreams that we have, because I have some vivid, weird dreams. Have you ever had any thing like that? That kind of correlates to maybe what you experienced. Oh yeah, oh yeah, and it happened dreams that my brother and I had on the same night. I don't know if my cousin had one, because, like I said, he won't talk about it. But all right, So the dream, the dream that I had, and it I can't even say it was a dream. It seems so real. I was in the back of some I was in the back of some kind of dark transport. And this is after the this is what after what happened to us. This is maybe like a month or two after. What happened was the dream was that I'm in the back of some dark transport. It stops and I'm handed off. I'm handed off from a bunch of guys in black to another group of guys, to another two individuals and black walked through a fence and into the side of a hill. Right on the same night, my brother had a dream where he was being walked down a tunnel and like that. Have you ever well listen to Richard Salter and how Richard Salter talks about the tunnel boring machines that make the hallways, that make a walls like glass. I recognize the name, but I'm not familiar with it. No, Well, there's a tunnel boring machines apparently that when they bore out the bore out tunnels, it turns it melts the rock and turns the rock into like glass. It makes it smooth like that. Yeah. The same night that I had the dream that I was being handed off from this transport, my brother had a dream where he was being walked down a tunnel with walls that looked smooth like glasses circular. There was a metal grate going down the middle of the middle of the hallway and there was like a bluish luminescence coming from the walls, and he was walking being walked towards a room where there was a table in the middle of it, and before where he got to the table, that's when that's when he woke up. Sometimes I wonder if people's dreams aren't something that they're actually experiencing, they're just not understanding it. Like you're you think it's a dream, but maybe it's something that you're actually going through and it just feels like you're in a dream. Yeah, Like maybe they're intocing you some way, like make you forget what you're not really right. It's almost like the things that happen you're having either the memories of it happening, or it does happen, and you're just thinking it's a dream, like if you're being taken away and it just feels like a dream. But the next ye, like when you remember, you're like, oh, I had this weird dream, and it's almost like, well, it wasn't really a dream. When you wake up. When you wake up with your close turn backwards, I don't think it's really a dream exactly. I don't know. There's no explanations for stuff like that other than like the logical explanation for a skeptic would be, oh, you were dreaming and you did that, you're sleepwalking. But that doesn't make any sense, like not to. Me, No, No, it's that doesn't that doesn't jive. You're right now that it doesn't jive at all. Has that? Has that happened more than once that you can remember. The dreams? Yeah, I'll be honest with you. Since that one, I don't dream anymore. I get more of what you. I guess you would consider dejavru like that's what plays out, and that was that's what plays out with me at night when my eyes were closed, like I'll and I'll wake up like and then like two days later, I'll be doing the same thing that I was doing in the quote unquote dreams. So I really don't dream anymore. It's more of a deja vu deal. I have deja vou quite a bit, and it kind of freaks me out because I will see things. It just happened yesterday, honestly, but I was doing something and I literally remember seeing this before. I actually think it maybe in this morning. I was doing something and I've already seen this, you know what I mean, Like, I've already experienced this once before, and it's happened again. It happens often, and I don't like it. Yeah, because you're like you're sitting there doing something and then you you'll you know, it kind of hits you, like, wait a minute, I've done this before. Why why does it feel like this and everything looks identical to which you did what you did before? Right, It's weird. Yeah, it maybe that's time. Maybe that's just time messing with us. Yeah. I don't I don't have any explanation for it. I just know I experienced it a lot, and every single time it creeps me out. My hair usually stands up or I get goosebumps or something. But sometimes it might get like a queasiness. I'm just like, but it's it happens way too often and I can't explain it. Is there anything else that you've experienced it you would like to talk about before we get ready to wrap this one up? Yeah? Uh so I think I may have foundly been in a trafficking house and not known it at the time. Hm, would you like to hear that story? It's it's really weird. I don't think it's weird. I mean, I'm hell, I'm always interested in whatever anyone wants to talk about, so definitely let's hear it. So I was dating I was dating this girl in two thousand and six and she got into the like house cleaning business with one of her friends. So one night we were One night we were at home and her friend called her up and was like, YO, would you like to come with me to clean his house? So she said yeah, and she asked me if I want to go with her. I wasn't doing anything. I was sit in there playing video games, so we decided. I was like yeah, let's go. So we end up driving from where we were staying twenty minutes twenty twenty five minutes on the highway and then we get off the highway and hit this back road. We're on the back road for another ten or fifteen minutes. This isn't like the Parksville, New York area. And then she takes and gets takes and makes the left and gets onto this like dirt road something a the car she was driving it should not have been on that road. So we start climbing the mountain. We start climbing up this mountain and we're we're on this path for maybe about five minutes, and we end up rolling up to this cabin. But when you roll up, when the headlights hit it, everything's overgrown, like the bushes, overgrown everything. Right, So they get out and go to the door, and I say, I'm not getting out of the car until you guys open the door in the lights. So to get out the car, open the doors, turn on the lights, and I go in. And when you walk in, the door to your left is to your left is like level and it leads into like the kitchen area, and to the right it's the sunken living room. So they head to the kitchen start doing some cleaning and stuff, and I'm just looking around, like because it looked like a pretty cool cabin, like sunk in living room, rustic furniture. So I'm looking around. You can tell it seemed like nobody had been there quite a while because there was like dead flies and stuff all over the place. So they start cleaning and I'm walking around and looking at the pictures, and one of the pictures that catches my attention is a picture of a woman with a certain former secretary of state. I'm not gonna stay Nimes, but you a female secretary of state. So I'm like, what the hell am I really? Am I supposed to be here? So they call my name and they're like, hey, Jay, can you go downstairs in the basement and and stop sink and fill up this water water bucket with how water? So I'm like all right, yeah, sure, So I grabbed the bucket from them and they point to the They point over in the corner of yours, like, yo, that's the door over there. So I walk up to this door and it's a dirty, thick wooden door, like really heavy, but I open it up, and I go down and start walking down the steps, maybe about five or six steps, and when I put on a light, and it all looks like freshly poured concrete, like like recent concrete. So I'm like, hm hmm, okay. So when you walk down the steps and you make you make a right, slop sink is at the end of the at the end of the little walkway. But when you start heading towards the slop sink, there's a room on your left side and a room on your right side. And I take a step into one of these rooms. Now what I saw in that room being it still creeps me the hell out. So there were bump bys in this room, child size, neatly made act tight, and the way the frame of the bunk bends there was there was two there was two bunk beds on each wall, so there was four bunk beds in each room, so a total of eight beds. And the frames were in there were metal frames into the in the wall and the concrete had been poured over it, so the frame the frames weren't attached to the wall. The frames were in the wall and the concrete was poured over it. So I'm like I'm like, what the hell is this? And I look over into the other room and I see the exact same thing. There's no windows in these rooms, there's no doors on these rooms, and I'm like, what the hell is this? So I'm like, I gotta get the hell out of here. I went filled up the bucket and I went back upstairs. I gave them the bucket and was like, Yo, I'm going to sit in the car. Listen. I am not a person go sit in a car in the woods by myself at ten o'clock at night. But that night I did because I did not want to be in that house. It is, even with the all the UFOs and all the weird stuff, that was by far the creepiest experience I've ever had. Yeah, did you ever ask about it? No? I did not. I did not want to know anything about it. I saw that picture, I saw those beds, and I wanted nothing to do with it because, like I said, those beds were the size of the there's size of say, like what would I anywhere from like an eight to ten year old would sleep on And the frames were in the wall. Yes, hmmm, that's that's something that I don't know how anyone could really, I don't think anyone can have a reaction to it and know exactly how to react if you're not put in that situation, because it's one of those things that I think, uh me personally would probably did you ever, I won't ask you on air just because whatever, but I feel like an anonymous tip could have been a great thing to do, but just to just to see what came about. Like I, it's still the house has still got to be there. It's still got to be there. It was like it was so far out of out in the middle of nowhere. There was no TVs they did there what a phone, but there was like no source of entertainment. Yeah, that's very strange. You can tell it was only a woman that lived there because like the bedroom, the way it was set up, that was a woman. Yeah, that's that's bizarre to me. Well, we've gotten on here for about fifty minutes, getting close to an hour now, and I try and keep these around about an hour or so. No problem. Is there anything else you would like to discuss before we get ready to wrap this one up? That's that's about all the major stuff that really creeped me out. Well, I appreciate you sharing that with me. That is uh. I'm still going back to your the abduction stuff because I'm trying to wrap my head around Obviously you guys were twins and if your family's had also experiences like that. I've talked to other people that it is bloodline related and one of the ladies was Native American and a lot of her family had abduction stories too, from the past all the way up to modern times. My dad's side is Native American, at my mother's side is Irish. Okay. I've also heard that too about Irish. Someone before I believe I talked to They mentioned something about Irish too is on another one of those bloodlines that seems to be of interest. So that doesn't really surprise me. Do you happen to know what type of like what your blood type is? I think it's A. I think it's A something like that. I have to go get a new physical done anyway and get bloodwork, so I'll figure that out. To me, I know, they claim it's like the RH negative. I don't know exactly which one that is, like if it's OH negative or something like that. They claim the RH negative seems to be the one most common for people to get abducted. Yeah, that would be something I'd be looking into, is to figure out what type of blood yard. And it might have another correlation as to why they're looking into you and your brother. Well they can, they can look as long as I don't see him, right. You gotta keep a baseball at that near my bed. I wonder if you were ever to take a swing at one of them, how they'd react. That's just a me thinking out loud thing. It's wonder if they'd stop coming around with you just bash one of their heads in. They might, but then they might get more aggressive, like they did with that guy at what is it the Starlight Wretch. Yeah, they're uh. There. You never really, I guess you don't know. I've heard different stories from people too, and like sometimes it's not even the same type of creatures, So I guess it really all depends on what it is. Yeah, well, Jay, we're going to wrap this one up, so I do appreciate you come on here and talk with me tonight. No problem, man, Thank you for having me. If you would like to be a guest on Tenfoil Tels, remember to send an email to Tenfoil Tells Podcast to gmail dot com, or you can also go to tenfoiltales dot com and go to the contact section. Just make sure to reach out and get hold of me and we will get something to schedule for a future episode. You can also find tenfoil Tales on Facebook and Instagram. Just look for tenfoil Tales podcast and reach out to me that way too. Remember to share the show around. Word of mouth is the best way to help the show grow, and just remember truth comes at a cost. Are you willing to pay the price.