Ep. 188: Cryptid Territory: Bigfoot, Dogman, and High Strangeness in the Empire State

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't deal with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me. Away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, noose and the eyes as soon as I made eye contact with this thing. And don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells. I'm your host Brandon Tonight. We're joined by my guest Al Thanks for coming back to the show and talk with me again. Hey, no problem, thank you. The pleasure is all mine to be here. Thank you for having me. Hein not a problem. We talked a couple as I say, maybe a year and a half ago. You're on a Halloween episode about dog man stuff. But you've got plenty of different experiences to dive into. So before we get into if you want to let the audience know a little bit about yourself. Okay. My name is al Santa Riga aka to Squatch Father. That's what they called me. My mom was a psychic. My brother was one of the first parapsychologists in the United States. The paranormal was normal in my house. I had an aunt, and I had two aunts that were white witches and a cousin who was a black witch. And growing up in my house, like I said, the paranormal was normal. I thought it was like that in everybody's house until I got old and started telling my friends what we were experiencing, and they thought we were I was nuts, But I mean, it is what it is. And I don't claim to be psychic, but I have all the claares. And what I mean by that is, if I'm on an investigation, I'll get pulled somewhere. I can't just go into a room and read the room. I could feel energy, I could taste smell here and sense stuff, but I just can't go in and do like like my team psychic. She reads everything over the phone. She lives. She lives in Arkansas, she's fifth generation, she's Native American, and she reads everything through me. She says, I don't come do it. But you know, I am sensitive to energies and U I mean, every time I go out, something's happened, you know what I mean. A lot of people go out and nothing happens. And even on the night step I consider to be crappy nights, like nothing's happened. When you add everything up at the end of the night, it's still pretty exciting night, you know what I mean. It's just not up to par for me. But yeah, I mean, you know, I run the Bronxfielle Paranormal Society. That's my team. I also director of the New York State UFO Project, New York State Dog Mean Project, the North American Dog With Project. I'm Regent three director and the New York States a squatch organization, So you know, I wear a lot of hats. But the parent company was the BPS, the bronx Field Paranormal Society, and that's where you'll find me most of the time. But you know, it's just I'm happiest when I'm out in the field investigating, and it doesn't matter if I'm four miles deep in the woods squatching, or doing the CE five over the Hudson River, or in a haunted hotel somewhere doing an investigation. Long as I'm outside investigating, that's what I'm the happiest. So you had been doing this for a very long time, like a lifetime. Yes, What was one of the reasons that drew you into it, Like, did you have an experience at an early age. I know you just mentioned with your family history and stuff like, but was there an event that you can recall that really drove you to this. Well, my very first experience happened when I was five. My grandmother, who lived with us, passed away. And you know, my parents and my grandparents are from Italy, from the other side. And when she passed away, I got her room, I got her room, I got her bed, I got her pillow, her blankets, And one night I was sleeping in her room and we had just come back from the wake. You know, back then they would wake person for like three days, and the funeral palla was like across the street from the building where I lived. And every night when my mother would put me to bed, my grandmother would come and tuck me in, and you know, she would talk to me in Italian and say, you know, don't worry. I'm just going to make sure you're okay, and you know, tuck you in and you know. And I tell my father, and he didn't believe in ghosts, even though he's seen one run through the engine block of his car. He didn't believe in ghosts. And he was like, oh, your grandmother's across the street, you know. And my mother, who was psychic, she had psychic abilities. I would tell her and she would say, yeah, I don't worry about it, and she's just he had to tuck in. And she did that for like the three days that we waked her, and then after we actually buried her, she stopped coming to see me. So, you know, at a year, very early age, I started experience and stuff. It's always seems to be the case when I've talked with other people. Is there's always like the younger age that something happens, there's like an experience. And I don't know if it's because children are more open to stuff, but a lot of people that have like a lot of experiences, it does start similar around If I remember right, I heard this before. I think it was like between the ages of four to seven. Between four and seven, it's like the most common when children start having like experiences, especially like what's up, like paranormal or UFO related. Yeah, I had my first UFO experience at ten and my first Bigfoot experience at twelve. And like I said, my family did practice. They did seances, and they read tarer cards and stuff like that. So when I was younger and i'd go over in one of my cousin Anthony's house, sleepover for a weekend, or my cousin Dino's house, the adults would always go into the dining room and they would either read tarot cards or do seances. And I remember a few times me and my cousin's creeping out along the hallway in the dark, in the shadows, watching, you know, and watching the candelabras dancing, going from a flame that's an inch high to a foot back down to an inch. You know. It was pretty wild stuff, you know. So, I mean, my brother had a whole library of books in his room, everything under the sun, and as soon as he finished reading it, I would attack it and I would read it, you know. So growing up, I had my own personal library in the room next story. You know, my brother was much older than me, and so it was just like I said, my sister has had you know, life experiences, you know, near death experiences stuff, and like my mother are sensitive to energies as well. So you know, my brother who was like the one who really got really dove into it, had you know, went into California to get his degree in parapsychology. He's like the one guy who had the least amount of experiences. You know, I don't ask me why. I don't know, did one uf. He's had a couple of paranormal experiences in houses that he was in, and I think once when he was out hunting in Connecticut, he tracked a big it in the snow until it went up a cliff face that went straight up up a cliff and he was like, yeah, I can't get up there, so I don't know where it went, you know. But that's the closest he's ever come to seeing that a bigfoot or anything like that. Yeah, that's the one thing that I can't say that I've ever encountered as a big foot. So hopefully soon we'll see what happens. Well, then this is what you have to do. You have to get yourself out in the woods, and you have to do. You have to get out there at night because that's when they're most active, and you have to find the location is very squatchy, looks for look for x ex's breaks, bends with arches, all of that stuff. When you find a location that has all of that in one location, hunker down there and they will come and if they're in the area, they will come to see who's there, and then you'll have your experience because you will never find them to you. Yeah, and if you're in their location, especially the location has all of that sign you know, and they're around that time of the year, they will definitely come in and see who's there. You know. They there's no doubt in my mind about it. When it starts to warm up, we're gonna be out doing some documenting and stuff, and we've got some locations mapped out from people have had sightings and stuff here recently in certain areas, so I've got everything playing. It's just a matter of not being negative ten degrees outside to try. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, probably they're probably not going to actually come in too close. If you got cameras rolling, you know, what I mean. I mean, I know you're doing a documentary and everything, you have to have cameras rolling, but you'd be better off with just running audio and the cameras off and just sitting there. And you know, I use, I don't. I don't like fires because I don't want to burn the woods down. I use glow sticks for ambient light and just sit there and having a conversation. I'll listening to music. I do things to bring them in. I'll play Native American music, I'll use incense, I'll soil the woods up with aroma. I have a couple of the little things I do as well. But if you do one of those two things are both and they're in the area, they will definitely come in to see who's there. So the camera. We'll have the cameras with us, but they're not going to be rolling the whole time. I'm just gonna sit out there and we're just gonna wait and see what happens. I'll have a thermal on me and I'll check around for that, but other than that, I'm not going to just be out there filming NonStop of nothing. Yeah, because you know, like I said, if you have cameras rolling, they don't come in. They'll they'll stay just out of reach. They'll stay in the shadows, they'll stay behind trees, they'll stay behind big rocks and stuff like that. But if the cameras are off and the audio is going, they don't care about audio for some reason. It doesn't you know, it doesn't. They don't bother with it. But they'll come in, you know what I mean. I've had them come in and surround me. And I was with a couple of ghost hunters who were scared out of their mind, and I said, don't worry about it. They were like freaking out, How are we going to get out of here? And I was like, don't worry. When they want us to leave, they'll open up a path for us to leave. You know. They just want to let us know that we're they're here, you know. But yeah, no, I mean, it's a very exciting experience. You know, you'll hear the whistles, you hear the whoops, you'll hear the knox, you'll hit the tree knocks, the wood knocks, the rock knocks, you know what I mean. They can come in like I heard of elephants, let you know they're there, or they can creep on their belly and you'll never know they're there. I mean, I don't know how they do it, but I've had one come as close to me as seven feet, snuck up behind me seven feet and I was out in the woods or a friend of mine who is an alphabet agency guy, and he had his night vision goggles on and they didn't record, they were just night vision goggles. And he was flipping out because he's seen it. He's like, Ale, it's like twenty feet away. Ale, it's like ten feet away. Ale, it's like, you know, seven feet away. And I'm like, relax, dude, we're at the sacred site. Nothing's going to happen. He was afraid they were gonna grab me, drag me off, you know, And I said no, because I don't let anybody bring any guns out with me. That's the one thing. If I'm not carrying a gun, you're not carrying. And I don't care if you are a federal agent, you're not carrying a gun with me, because I can't trust you. I don't know how people are going. Everybody reacts differently in their presence, you know what I mean. And you may think you're going to act one way. But what I tell everybody is when you see these things up close and personal, your brain can't comprehend what your eyes are saying because they're so massive, you know, they're just so massive. And he was freaking out. He thought they were gonna pull me up. And I actually had a camera going, but it was pointed in the wrong direction. They came in from behind the camera and I got up to try to make like this smooth move. What was going to get up? Like I was stretching and turn the camera around. As soon as I touched that thing, they were gone boom. So yeah, I mean, like I said, just find yourself a really really squatchy location and honker down and they'll come to you. So I know, there's a few different spots that are had multiple big foot sightings and a couple that are of multiple werewolf, which I say dog man, but the people people that told me about I called them werewolves. Yeah, that's what people call them because that's the only reference we have, you know, growing up as kids, we see werewolf movies, you know, and then you know, when you see one of these things in real life. If you've never heard of the term dog man, that's the first thing you say is that I see the goddamn werewolf. You know, like, what the hell was that? That's uh what I first thought when I saw the first one I've seen, so I didn't know what a dog man. It wasn't after that. It's when I figured out what things were by diving into it to see because I I've seen an upbriderwalking dog. I didn't know so, but now that is a There's multiple places around here that I've got mapped out. I've got like a map up on the wall with a little yarn. I've done my whole crap white board. Yeah that's cool. Yeah, absolutely, I don't go looking for the dog man. As a matter of fact, we just went out in the beginning of November to Sacred Site. We were just doing some We're actually like squatching and the dog Man is at the east end of the woods and the Bigfoots are on the west side of the woods, and is a like a fifty two acre lake in between us, and we actually got the dog man. The dog man went off while we were there. We do I like to do day night because I'm all into energy and everything, and you know, like I have a two hundred and fifty readings that I do, and I do like that two hundred and fifty readings like ten times because every time I introduce something into the atmosphere, the readings change, you know, and I have to go through all the readings to see which one's changed, and the same thing. When they come in, the readings will change. And we had a dog man go off, and my cousin was with me, and he had never experienced a dog man before, I mean not up close and personally, he never heard one. And as soon as the dog man stopped going off, the coyotes went off, and we recorded everything and it was pretty wild. I mean it was it was crazy. It seemed like it was thirty coyotes and they was just losing their mind. And then they were starting to calm down, and I think the dog man went off again and he got them all started again. And he actually he never came up to the sacred site, because again that's a Sasquatch territory. But at the end of the night, when we came down off of the sacred site and we came down to the lake, he came over to the west side of the lake and he was standing up on a little hill above us, maybe one hundred feet behind us, and he screamed again, and he went off again, and it went right through my cousin and to me, and we're for my deep into the into the woods. And my cousin was like the dog man. I go, yeah, that's the dog man. And he goes, okay, look I go. He goes, what are we going to do? I said, We're just gonna hike out of here, you know. And he says, okay, let me know when you're when you want to stop for a break, because I usually stopped like every two miles for water and a ten minute break. Because I'm sixty two years old, I'm carrying a sixty pound pack, you know what I mean. And I heard this thing scream and we were on the west side of the woods. And to me, that told me, because we hadn't had any bigfoot experiences all night, that told me that the squatches weren't there, brittle be on the west side of the woods, because if the squatches were there, they would have hurted us out. They always heard us out, and there's always like two or three of them, and I don't think the dog man would have came over to that side of the woods if we had three big foots behind us, you know, hurting us out. But you know, yeah, the dog man, he's a whole different animal. I made a deal with him many many moons ago. I won't go to your house, you don't come to mine. You know. I was actually a little freaked out. I was hoping he didn't come back to my house after that experience because I kind of felt and I don't know if it was just my own paranoia, my own imagination. When he went off the first time, he was by his den, you know, on the east side of the woods, but I felt like he was screaming at me, like he had caught my cent or something, and he was screaming at me because he was screaming up and the Sacred Site is in a high plateau off the main trail, you know, and I felt like he was screaming at me. And then when we were hiking out and he came over and he was on that little hill and he was like looked down at us, and he screamed at us again. Again, I felt like it was personal towards me, like I told you not to come back here, you know, but I wasn't on his side of the woods, so I didn't give a shit, you know. But but it was you know, it's not I was worried, not so much for myself, but for my cousin, you know what I mean, Because I told my I told his father I'd bring him home in one piece, you know. And so I was like, man, if he gets in front of us, he's flying, says we're going to have to flat our way out of here, you know. And all we had were eighteen inch bashetes and ten inch relibel nize. I don't know how far we would have got, you know, but I mean it's just, you know, crazy stuff like that happens. So, yeah, this is the place of high ice strangers. There's a lot of crazy stuff that goes on there. And I'm going to get into an experience that happened here in twenty fifteen, where like everything under the sun happens, you know. Okay, yeah, now, what location, like you don't have to give the exact point, but like what part kind of word general area where you're at. I'm in the mid Hudson mid Hudson Valley in New York State. Okay, yeah, I'm not not. I'm in I'm you know, I'm right in the middle of you know, upstate New York in downstate New York. You know what I mean. If if you come from upstate, I'm downstate. If you come from downstate, I'm upstate. You know, it all depends on where you're coming from. I'm right in the middle. It's called the mid Hudson Valley, Southern Catskill Region, southern tier of the Catskill Region. Catskill Mountains here in New York State are five hundred thousand acres, you know, and I'm at the I'm at the southern tip of those. And then further up we have the an Aeromdecks and that's six million acres. But that's all different animal. Yeah, So for me, when I I've went up to onlymen of New York. Once we went to up by Buffalo to go up to Niagara Falls. Okay, so i was only up there for a day to go to Niagara Falls. But I've never been anywhere else in New York, so I'm not really familiar with all that. Like when someone says New York, the first thing I think is New York City. Yea, everybody thinks in Manhattan absolutely. Yeah, So like no one thinks about the fact that it's not that sort of a jungle of the Manhattan buildings and mountains of that, but there's actually wooded areas, there's mountains or something. We have a lot of a lot of natural forest here in New York, you know. I mean, like I said, the Adirondecks are six million acres and the Catskill Mountain regions are like half a million acres. And we have a lot of state parks that are you know, anywhere from fifteen hundred acres to five thousand acres, you know what I mean. We have a lot of wood land in New York State. Yeah, a lot of campings and campsites and stuff like that. Yeah, that's you don't think about stuff like that unless you're actually around there and involved in it. But like when I talk to people that aren't from America, like you don't think about how big our country actually is size wise. Oh yeah, our country is huge. Until you talk to someone else, or like they drove all the way across to England and it was like an eight hour drive, Like shit, that's only gonna get me like a two states down. I don't get to Ohio. Right, that takes me eight hours to get to Nashville. So but no, well, if you want to dive into from what happened to you, I'm in Indiana. Oh you're in Indiana. Ye, north central Indiana. Nashville is like south west of you. Yeah, okay, okay yeah. So twenty fifteen, my tech guy and my camera guy we decided to go do an investigation. Found the location with a lot of high strangeness involved in it. It was a lot of big foot reports on the bfrro page, according to the like along the Appalachian Trail here, and there were also a lot of reports of UFOs siphoning water around in a lake and balls of light going in and out of the lake. And so me and my camera guy decided to do a little recon of the place. And we were hiking along the Appalachian Trail and we were maybe four miles in and we were on the eastern side of the lake. And it's, like I said, it's a fifty two acre lake. And we were up on a high ridge. We just ended up on a high reach just the way the trail went, and we ended up on a high ridge, but off the trail I seen three quartz crystal stones set up like in a pyramid shape, you know. I was like, Oh, this is interesting. Maybe we'll start here and then we'll work our way back to the meadow. We labeled the when area called the meadow, and then we'll we'll finish up at the campsite on our way out. So we started at the furthest point in to work our way out. So he's like, okay, so we checked that we we had we marked these three spots and uh so we go out there. We're doing the day night investigation, and we really didn't know what to expect. Honestly, it was Halloween, it was gonna be a full moon that night. It was gonna be a meteor shower that night as well. And we get out there and we get to the first location. We called the psychic. She said, Okay, this location you know you're gonna have. You're gonna you're gonna see like and my wife, Psychic will tell us stuff like what we're going to ex and we will laugh at her like she's high. Okay, Like Cindy, what are you smoking? You know what I mean? She said, Okay, this location you're going to have a sasquatch experience and you're going to have a dog man experience, and you're going to see a UFO, and you know, we're three guys from the city, you know, like, come on, lady with are your nuts looking at all of this stuff? It's going to happen at our first location. And we took it with a grain of salt, you know, and she said, call me later. I like to do a day night you know. It's the energy changes from day to night. And we these with these We had these three quartz crystal stones set up as a pyramid. So I brought rose quartz a skull, and my tech guy, Brian brought a crystal skull, and we were going to try to get the rose quartz or the crystal skull to transfer energy over to the courts, the rose courts. Okay. We wanted to see if we can film energy transferring over from one one skull to the other on these three quartz crystal stones, you know, and we're trying it, and we're we're doing all kinds of stuff and not having much success with anything. Put a compass on it really didn't move any again. I like to go old school new school for sometimes the new school stuff don't work, and the old school stuff works great, and so we weren't having a lot of success with everything. So I said, okay, I pulled out a thermal imager and I'm filming in thermal. We had a full full spectrum going, an IR camera going, a thermal camera, and a regular camera going. And I was still had the actual thermal in my hand, and the stones are ice cold. There was nothing happening with the stones. So I said, okay, you know what, let's try something. And I pulled out a tibet and singing bowl and I filled the woods up with the frequency from the bowl and everything changed. My teeth started tingling, I had a metallic taste in my mouth. I start filming the court stones again. Now the stones and thermal are white hot. Okay, we're not getting any transfer of energy which we were trying to get, but the stones are white hot. So I'd tell my tech guys, said, dude, touch the stones, let me know if they're If they're hot, they're white hot. And the thermal imager It's like, I'm not touching those stones, are you crazy? I don't know what we did to this stuff. And I'm like, you got to touch the stones. You gotta let me know. He's like, I'm not touching the stones. Ow, you're crazy. So I said, here, you you film, I'll touch them because I wanted to see if they were really as hot as they were appearing on the thermal. And I touched them and they were ice cold. So he says, oh, let's call this PSCON again. It was, And then we I had a parabolic mic going and we caught like a Morse code coming out of the sky, and a parabolic mic was crazy, you know, and everybody was throwing theories up in the air, you know. And they were saying, oh, maybe there's like radiation in the trees, because at this location they used to mind weapons grade uranium and there was a there was an explosion at the facility, then one into the lake and the lake was polluted and all this crazy stuff. And one guy saying, well, maybe there's you know, radiation in the trees. The other guy was saying, maybe it's a it's some kind of tower, you know, it's putting off a signal. And I'm saying, well, maybe it's just the UFO and the sky that looks like a cl you know what. I mean, but something. We're definitely getting something. So we called the psychic back, and the psychic couldn't talk. She's like, move, move, I can't Like we could understand what she was saying. It sounded like she had cerebral palsy. She could not talk, and she's like, what the hell did you guys do? And I was like, well, we ramped up the energy with a tibet and single bow. We introduced frequency and vibration into the investigation to see what we could get. And she's like, all bets are off. Now she goes, you guys just went crazy. These woods are that you changed all the energy. I had to literally go like a hundred feet from where I was for her to be able to talk to me over the phone. I said, Okay, all bets are off, Let's see what happens. So we're sitting there and it gets dark. We got headlamps. Headlamps are off, we got glow sticks in front of us for ambient light, and food comes up and the coyotes are going off on the west side of the lake. This is the full moon, and the coyotes are going nuts, and which sets off the dogs in a kennel on the east side of the legs and the dogs are going crazy and the coyotes are going crazy. And we're sitting there and I got the para mic going, and I hear something walking over towards us, something really heavy and big boom boom boom walking over. So I give it to my tech guy. He listens. I give it to my camera guy. He listens, and we're and I'm thinking, I go, man, I wonder if it's another paranormal group out here, because it's Halloween, you know, we should cover the glow sticks and no one sees where we're at our location. And they both looked at me like I had two heads, and they're like, what are you talking about? What's ever walking over here? This got away like a thousand pounds. That's not another dude in the woods investigating, you know. And I was like, oh, I said, yeah, you know, it kind of did sound like that. But I was thinking, you know, maybe, and again, we were in the woods a long time and maybe the energy was taking effect to me, and I was thinking it was probably another team. So we're sitting there and we hear whoop, whoop oop three the most loud, powerfulest whoops you've ever heard in your life. And we were up on a ridge fifty feet above the ground level and this thing was maybe one hundred yards away from us in the tree line. Been seeing on any of the cameras, but it let out these three giant whoops that went right through us. Hit you like a bass drum out of Metallica concert. Man, it's just went, I'm right through us. And the camera guy's like, what the hell is that? And I go, I know what that is, you know. I go, that's a bigfoot. There's a big foot down there, you know. And so he's like, well, maybe we should leave, you know, we should get out of here. And I was like, nope, not ready to go. I think there's still more to come, you know. So we hunke her back down. We didn't hear anything. We hunke her back down, and we're sitting there and we're just talking amongst ourselves and this sasquatch throws the stone the size of a bowling ball, up over the top of the trees. Now you got to imagine we're fifty feet up on the ridge. The trees are fifty sixty feet high. This thing went up over the top of the top of the trees and it came down perfect in between all three of us, and it rolls and it hits my tech guy's chair and my tech guy goes, I think it's time to go, and the end the camera guy goes, yeah, let's go, let's go, and I'm like, no, no, no, I still feel like there's more to come. I don't want to leave too soon. And they're like, al, you're out of your mind. We got to get out of here, you know, And I'm like, no, I just feel like there's more to come, you know, Let's just hang out a little bit longer. So we hang out. We never heard the Sascotch walk away, although we heard them walk in. So we're sitting there and we're talking and we got like a three foot stone wall behind us. We got a lot of these stone walls on the East coast that just run in all directions in the woods. You know. I don't know if they were made during the revolution every war to sit behind them to shoot at or you know, to shoot the English or whatever. But they just run in all different directions. And my cameraman is sitting up against the wall. I'm sitting in the middle, and my tech my tech guy is to my right. All of a sudden, we hear something a quadruped come running up the ridge, or a boom or a boom, but a boom this thing is common, but a boom out of boom and it's all on all for us, and I'm thinking, crap, this is either a black bear or a mountain lion, you know, coming up the ridge. And my tech guy gets up and he starts to run past me because he's up against the wall, and this thing is on the other side of the wall, coming up the ridge. And I reach out with one hand. I never took my eyes off of where the sound was coming from, and I stopped him. And I don't even know how I did it. I just stopped him and I spun him around. I said stand your ground, and he stood. He was to my left, my tech guy was to my right. They were in a little bit more of a clearing behind me. Said they pulled out their machetes. I was boring between the trees, so I pulled out my survival knife and I'm thinking, man, this mountain lion is going to hit this wall and he's gonna jump right at my neck and I'm going to have to sacrifice my left arm and kill it with this survival knife, you know. And this is what's going through my head. And it's coming up the ridge and we hear it coming and I say, put your spot, put your headlamps on. We all turned the headlamps on to see what's coming. And the sound comes right up to where we are and stops, and we're all waiting for something to come over the ridge over the wall, and I had a little sony digital camera hanging around my neck. I took one photograph of where I thought it stopped, and you know, you can't see anything on the back of the camera because it's really tiny. And I just dropped the camera back down and we waited. Nothing came over. We didn't hear anything run back down a ridge. We didn't hear anything jump down into the swamp. So I said, grab the camera, let's let's go over the wall. We went over the wall and we pointed the cameras in all the directions and we didn't see anything. And my camera guy had a fifteen hundred lumba fleghe by and it lit the woods up like daytime and we did not see anything. We don't know where this thing went to or how it left or nothing, and we just sat there and in baffled. We were just baffled because there was nothing on any any of the cameras that we were filming on. And at that point they were like, can we leave now, you know? And I was like, okay, we can start packing up. Let's just take our time packing up in case something else happens, you know. So we packed up and as we were leaving, my cameraman, my tech guy, Brian, says, you know what I'm going to have? He had a he had a he was filming with a little camera, a night vision camera. He said, I'm not going to pack the camera. I'm going to leave it out in case we come across something. I don't want to be that guy who doesn't have the camera running, you know, So Brah, you leave your camera out. We packed up all the rest of the gear and we're walking across this really treacherous rocky formation. I mean, you have to be a billy goat to go across this shit. And I see this silver strobe light in the sky going from west to east. I'm wearing a stone at night. I'm wearing a stone. It's called an alien stone. It puts out the frequency of it for aliens. Okay, I forgot the name of it. It's like a green stone. It's part of a meteorite and it's very rare. They mined in our romani or something, right, But I was told it puts out an alien frequency. And I'm wearing a stone because I want something to happen that I don't know if anything's gonna happen. So I see this thing in the sky and I go, oh God, he's gonna let these guys get abducted for some of me, because I'm wearing a stone, you know. But I'm not telling anybody what I'm seeing because I want to get across this treacherous part of these rocks, to get back on the Appalachian Trail, to get to the meadow. When Brian says, what's that he sees it? He pulls up the camera and he's filming it. Now it's not silver anymore. It's orange and it's red and it's silver, and he's filming it and it stops in the middle of the sky like it's seen us, and it makes a beeline comes right over to us, and I tell everybody, shut off your headlamps. We shut off our headlamps and I get I go, I ex cameraman Bella, go build time check and he's like nine o'clock or something like that, like okay, So we do a time check. We shut off the cameras, and this thing hits us with a floodlight and it lights up the woods around us. And we're underneath this floodlight looking up at this craft and it's making this electrical hum and again everybody goes into debating with theories. What is it. It can't be a drone, you know, it's it's not a helicopter. What is it but a beat by the boop? And we're all talking, you know, nonsense, trying to figure it out, when all of a sudden, I say, let's step out of this light because we don't know what it's doing to us. And Brian thought it was downloading us, that's what he thought. And I said, let's step out of this light because we don't know what's going on here, you know, So we step out of the light. When we stepped out of the light, the light went off, it shrunk up, it disappeared, and the craft took off and it flew across the lake and then the blink of a night was gone boom. So we just was standing there for a minute and we discussed what just happened, like, holy crafted that just happened. And Brian's like, I got it on video. I got a baby, that's why they put my camera away, you know. And we're all like, oh, this is awesome. And we head over to the meadow. We get to the meadow, we set up the cameras in all different directions. We call Cindy again, the psychic, and we say, Okay, Cindy, what's going to happen here? And she said, okay, here, you're going to see balls of light. But they're not really balls of light. They're fairies. She says, okay, they're fairies. And she says, you're going to see gnomes. And I'm like, oh my god, we're going to see gnomes. She's talking about gnomes and fairies, and you're going to see shadow figures, and there's going to be a big foot here as well, and you're going to have all kinds of experiences at this location. Okay. Now, I had heard from the Native Americans in the area that if you see balls of light in the woods, do not follow them. They will lead you to your demise. Okay, I've heard that song. I told Brian, I said, you bring your green laser. I'll bring my red laser, and if any of these balls of lights should show up, we'll hit them with the lasers and we'll see what happens. Right. So I'm facing south, Brian facing me, actually facing north. Bill is up looking east and west filming the meteor shower. Oh and when the when the bigfoots went When the big foot whooped it three times, the coyotes and the dogs shut right up. That was the end of that for the rest of the night. So it we're filled with sitting there and I'm seeing seven foot shadow figures jumping from tree to tree, not just one or two, but like four or five of them. And I'm telling Brian, do you see these shadow figures jumping from tree to tree? And Brian's like, yeah, I see him, you know. And I'm taking photographs of them, are more filming them with the cameras, and Brian goes, but I see something back there moving, man, something small is running around back there. So the camera that Bill was using Brian and Bill had rigged up another uh screen on it, you know, a big a bigger screen. So we actually had the camera, the camera viewfinder, and this other screen that we had heard up. Both of them had sn cards in him. So Brian's is Bill, come here, film over our shoulders. So Bill is standing up filming. He's to my left. He's filming the woods where Brian's is between his giant rock and his tree. Film over there. I'm seeing movement. Brian is ending over my shoulder. I'm holding this uh this uh screen. Brian's looking down at the screen with me, and we see a gnome come out from behind the rock and it runs over to this tree, and it goes from one tree to the other, and it goes from west to east. Now we all seen this, all three of us, and we look at each other and we say, did we just see what we've seen? Is it possible we just seen what we see and all three of us can't be having the same hallucination, right, So Brian says, keep filming. So we're filming and another one comes out from behind the tree and it runs over to the other tree. So Brian says, all we got to go over there, man, We got to see what's going on over there. So we all get up and we go over and we check the behind the rock and the trees, and there's nothing there. But Bill and Brian are giddy as schoolgirls because he goes, we got this on our SD cards. We got it on two two SD cars. We caught gnomes man nomes running through the woods. And everybody's really excited. So we go back to the camp, the base camp, and I say, film the trees. Film the trees with all of our cameras because I'm seeing shadow figures jumping from tree to tree. And when we film the trees, and these trees didn't have any leaves on it. This was Halloween. We film the trees and there's nothing but branches. But when you look at the trees through the IR camera, if you find her, all you see these silver balls hanging from all the branches. It looks like a Christmas tree with ornaments on it. And we're trying to figure out what the hell we're seeing in the ir light, because when we put the fifteen hundred altuma flesh light on it, all you see are branches. When you shut the flesh light off and you see all these little balls like orebs. So we're debating on what the hell we're seeing when over on the east side of the lake, I see two balls of light come up out of the ground behind this one bush. And these two balls of light come up and they're starting to rise up along the cliff face of the lake. And I say, Brian, b briy, grib your grabulaser, grabulaser. I go, Bill, get your flesh light. I said, on three, Brian, you hit the one on the right. I'll hit the one on the left. Bill, you hit the whole area with your flesh light. Let's see what happens to these balls of light, because maybe they may turn into creature or something, you know. So on three, we hit these balls of light with our lasers. Bill lights up the woods with fifteen hundred of a flesh light and these balls blink out. They don't turn it into anything, they don't go anywhere. They just blink out and they don't come back the rest of the night. Okay, So now we're sitting in there. We're sitting there and we're discussing all this crazy stuff we're experiencing at this location. When we hear it sounds like a family coming down the appalation trail, right, and we're like, who the hell is hiking the Appalation Trail at night with their kids on Halloween? They should be out trick or treating, right, But you can literally hear two little kids giggling and laughing and like kicking stones and two adults murmuring. Now we're three grown adults sitting in the dark with eighteen inch machetes ten inches of survival and nize. So I say, maybe we should put our head lamps on so when these people come out into the meadow they see us and we don't freak them out, you know. So we put our headlamps on and everything so they could see us, and we hear the sound of walking comes right up to the to the entrance of the app of the meadow from the Appalachian Trail, and no one comes out. So we're looking at each other and I said, Bill, grab your flash light. Let's go in there and see I said, Bryce stay here with the equipment. So me and Bill go in and we walk up about one hundred yards back and forth on the operation trail and there's nobody there. Nobody there, So we get back out. Let's call Cindy the psychic find out what happened. So we call Cindy and she's a little pissed at us. She's like, why you call me so goddamn late. I'm like, what are you talking about. We just got here. We just called you like ten minutes ago. It's like it's like a quarter after nine. We got here at nine, you know. And she's like, oh, check your watch, it's eleven thirty. I'm like, what are you talking about? And we check our watches and we lost like two and a half hours of time, right, So we don't know if we lost it with the UFO. We don't know what happened. But when we asked her about the family that we heard coming down the Appalachian Trail, she said that we were in a time space continuum and that family actually will be there tomorrow during the day. They're not there. They weren't there now, you know. So we're just like, what the hell is going on? What hell? You know? It lost two hours of time? We're in a time space continuum? What dall is going on? But now I realize, Okay, it's eleven thirty. I want to be at the campsite for twelve because everybody says the big fits come out at the campsite around twelve, so but at the same time, I'm taking photographs in the three sixty with my little Sony digital camera because I'm doing this all night long, all night and all night long. There's nothing in any of my photographs. But at one point the photographs are just filled with orbs, all different kinds of orbs, different colors, with faces in them, just hundreds and hundreds of orbs around us. And we had just done a Native American ceremony, a drum ceremony, and right after we did that, all these orbs showed up, you know, and they're like, this is crazy, and so we pack up the gear and we hike over to the to the campsite. We've been in the woods like twelve hours now, and I don't know if it was Brian or Bill. Someone says, oh, man, tonight's the night that we got to push the clocks back an hour. So it's really not eleven thirty, it's only ten thirty. So we're gonna have to fit here till twelve now another hour and a half. And everybody is burnt out from the energy of these woods and everything we experience. And I'm like, oh man, there's no way I gets it here for the hour and a half, I am just physically burnt out. You know, Let's just hang out here for like a half hour, nothing happens, We'll get the hell out of here. I don't know why we thought we had to change the clocks that night, but between three grown adults, we all thought the same thing. Oh man, you know, because nobody was thinking straight. Now, the game plan going in was after we were done, we were gonna go to the diner, grab a cup of coffee and a bite tea, and discuss what happened. Okay, this is something that we usually do when we're done with an investigation. We head over to like a twenty four hour diner in a cup of coffee, and the whole night long, Bill is freaking out, saying these woods are devoid of life. There's no life in these woods. There's a fifty two acre lake, there's no ducks, there's no geese, there's no nothing. We don't hear any crickets, we don't see any animals. You know, We're in these woods and we're four miles deep in the woods and there's no goddamn animals, No possums, no raccoons, no nothing. I'm like, we shut up with the devoid of life stuff already. So as because he just kept saying it over and over all night, freaking Brian and me out, you know. And so we're hiking out. We finally get to the mining road and now we're only about a mile from our car. And as we're getting closer and closer to civilization, we're seeing all kinds of animal life. Is deers running across the road. Again, There's there's raccoons in the trees, they're skunk to all kinds of animals, and like it didn't make any sense. The closer we got to civilization, the more animals us be seen, when it should have been the other way around. It should have been under of animals in the woods, you know what I mean. So we can get back to the car again. The game plan was we're gonna head to a diner, get some kneet. Everybody jumps in their cars and goes different directions. Everybody just goes home. The next day, Brian calls me up and he's like, dude, I woke up, I'm spitting blue flem and I got a small andprint black and blue on my chest. He goes, how are you feeling? And I was like, you know, it's funny you say this because I have a fat lip. I feel like I got something implanted in my lip, you know. So he says, let's call Bill. We'll get him on a conference call. See what happened with him. So we called Bill and goes like, dude, I was freaking out all night. I had shadow figures at my back door looking in. I woke up this morning with a nod on my head like somebody hit me with a baseball bat. Now, nobody fell out in the woods that night. And he says, this goes. It starts off as a mining road, then it goes into the appalation trip, then it goes into a goat a goat trail, and it's really really sketchy, sketchy place. So everybody took their time walking through it. I don't want to anybody goes down, You're gonna crack your head open, break a leg or something, you know, So everybody, no one got hurt. So Brian says, Okay, I'm going to call Cindy the psychic see what happened. Because he's got a bump on his head. I got a fat lip. Brian's spitting blue flame with a little alien handprint on his chest. And we call the psychic and she says, that place is insane. I've never ever experienced a place with that kind of energy like that, she said. You know, that place is a place of high strangeness. There are all kinds of portals there, she said. And I don't know about you guys, but I woke up this morning and the hands that I was holding the telephone with last night when I was talking to you, I have a rash from my wrist to my elbow. She's in Arkansas. How the hell does she get affected from us here in New York? And man, that was just the craziest night. When we went and did the evidence review, nobody noticed anything on the one photo I took of the that stone wall where we had that thing run towards us. But I sent and we put it on Facebook and we put it out. I would said, if anybody's got any better equipment than us, because we're working guys. You know, we don't have a TV budget. If you guys have a better equipment, you see anything, let us know. So this dude from California. Close me up, and he says, yo, wel the picture of the stone wall. You got a dog man behind the stone wall looking at you. I'm like, what are you talking about? Bro? He goes, I'll send the tos. He sends me a picture. He sends me my picture and he circles this dog man behind the wall, sniffing over the wall. You can see his eye, shine, his nose, his ears. He almost looks like he's got a pit bull head, you know what I mean, like a square head. And he's sniffing over the wall. And I see this picture and I go, art, this's is photoshops. There's no way this is it. Because when we do our evidence review, we've put it up on the sixty and screen TV and there's usually eight guys in a room looking at it, and nobody noticed anything, you know. So I can run over to my little digital cat. I'm gonna pull out the st he cart had thrown in the computer, and sure as shit, it's there. And I was like, how did we all miss this? You know, how did eight guys in the room on the sixty inch screen TV missed this? And then like a week later, the dude calls me back, and he says, know that picture you took at the meadow with the little red maple tree, you know, this little red maple tree, and it was small, it was only like maybe like four feet high. Was the only tree that had any leaves on it, you know. And I was like, yeah, I remember the little red maple, you know, and I kind of seen it that night when we were walking over looking for the gnomes, you know, and to me it stood out because it was the only tree that leaves. Well, he goes, look at the photo of the picture with all the orbs in the I go yeah. He goes, I'm going to send you a photo. I'm going to zoom in and underneath that, underneath that little red maple is a bigfoot on his belt watching us. Okay, And I said, okay, it's in the original photograph. That tree is just right at the end of the light from the flash and so it's in the shadows. So it's in the shadows and the bigfoot is underneath it. So there was no way when we had it on the sixty inch screen TV anybody even noticed because we're looking at all the faces and all the orbs, you know, different color orbs, different color faces, different sizes, all kinds of crazy stuff. So again, I get my speak card out of my phone, out of my camera, I go over to the computer, I put it in and SHURESH. And I think this was the same bigfoot that came over to us and whooped at us and threw the stone at us. And I think he was just again this is all theory and conjecture. He was just hanging or around making sure the dog man that bluff charged us didn't follow us back over to the west side of the lake. I think that's why he was hanging around, you know what I mean, watching us. And it was just just a crazy night. And I don't know if you know who Rosemary Ellen Guiy is. Rosemary is a researcher. She wrote a ton of books. She has a million a million books. She did a couple of different shows on the Travel Channel and Discovery Channel about the paranormal. She lived in Connecticut, not far from me, and we all made a pack that we wouldn't get regressed from that night. It's nobody wanted to know what happened in the two hours that we lost, you know. And I became really really good friends with Rosemary, And I said, Rosemary, I watched it to me favor. And she says, what And I told her about that night. I told her everything I just told you. And I was like, I want you to regress me. I want to know if we really got abducted that night. You know, we lost two hours a time, and I want to know. And I said, and if it's not a bad experience, then I'll tell the guys and you can regress them as well. But if it is a bad experience, then I'll just keep it to myself and it will never happen, you know. And she's like, okay, I'll I'm finishing up shooting in you know, in California. When I finished that, I got a couple of stops on the book tour. I just wrote a new book. When I get back to Connecticut, i'll give you a call. Okay. She gets back to Connecticut and she says, Okay, give me two weeks to get settled in and then you can come over and we'll do the regression absolutely, Roseman, just you and me and her husband. And she passed away, and I never got it. Yeah, so I never got the regress. She goes, was really the only one I actually would trust with something like that, you know. So, but it was a crazy night. It was just I mean, everything under the sun. And I don't know if it was because it was Hollow's Eve or it was a full moon, or if there was a meteor shower. I wasn't checking energies back then, you know what I mean. We were just doing We were using all the equipment that we had for ghost hunting, you know, dowsing rods to courts, crystal pendulums of compasses. We were using all the high text stuff, the the like the MS meters and stuff like that, you know, a little bit of bolt worlds to see what would work the best. But you know, just it was just such a crazy night and it was just it was just so nuts. And I mean, you know, and I tell people this experience, will look at me like they think I'm bullshitting them, you know, and it's like, dude, did that really happen? And dude, there's no way three grown men could have the same lucinations all night long, you know what I mean. We we've experienced all of this shit. You mentioned, but the noises of with the kids. I recently just talked to someone. It has a lot of weird activity and they're over by I think they're actually on the east side of Pennsylvania, but they they're out looking for Bigfoot. But they've got a lot of weird UFO stuff now too. But they've also had a lot of weird shadow people. And they heard children and they said the same thing, like, who the hell is going to bring their kids out in the middle of nowhere, in the middle of the night. Yeah, in the middle of that. It's it's like absolutely, yeah. So it's interesting you you mentioned that, and I literally just talked to some a couple of guys the other day about but. So yeah, and it was it was it was so surreal because, you know, we were trying to comprehend. First of all, it's at night. It's how those kids should be trick or treating, but it's already nine o'clock. They should be really the little kids, they should be a home, you know, eating their candy. And you can hear them giggling and laughing, and it sound like they were kicking stones. And then you can hear the adults talking and you hear like a murmur. You can't understand what they were saying. But you could hear a murmur, and then when no one came out onto the meadow, it was like, what the hell just happened? Where did these people go? I was like, grab your flesh, like maybe something grab these people. Maybe they need help, you know, let's get in there and see what's going on. But there was just nowhere to be found. It was just crazy. Then I was being pulled back late the following summer, I was being pulled back to a again, to the to that high ridge, but only this time I stayed below it into the swamp. And that's when I found a dog man then. But I mean, just it's just crazy that, you know, I had never taken or heard any reports of the dog men being in that location. UFOs bigfoots a lot of paranormal activity with the orbs and the shadow figures and stuff like that, but there was no reports of anybody ever seeing or of a dog man. None. And to think we were right over this den and not knowing we were there, you know, and it's just crazy, just gonna, just absolutely nuts. That night was so crazy. What do you think dog men are? Because if they have a din, it almost sounds flesh and blood. But even like with big there's a lot of weird, supernatural, paranormal aspects to them. So if it's not a physical creature, why would they do some of the things that they do. Why would they need a din? Why would they Some people say they eat stuff, other people say they don't eat stuff. So it's like, what is your take on the whole thing? Oh? I think? I think. Well, I've been lucky enough to be invited to a bunch of symposiums over the years, and I've been lucky enough to sit with world renowned psychics. Okay, and my psychic will tell you she's not one hundred percent, but she's full of shit. She's always one hundred percent. Okay. See, I would put her up there with the world renouncycle. But I've been lucky enough, and I have two questions for them. What are dog men? Where do they come from? And they say the same thing to me, every single one of them, including my psychic, says the same thing. Or inter dimensional beings. They come here to hunt and feed because they're apex predators and where you have an abundance of food on this on this planet, in this realm, and that's what they do. And I've been inside dog Man dens, okay, and I can tell you their dens are nothing like bigfoot dens, completely different. It's usually bushes pulled over make like a canopy tied together with vines. And then what they do is once they get they get this cover over them, they'll dig down, like like a coyote or a wolf, and they'll dig down and they'll push that dirt out the front of the den, so it's almost like sloped. And what they'll do is when when they're in that den and they sleep, they lay they below the ground level, so A you can't see him if you flesh and put a flesh line in there, and b if it's a windy night or something like that, the wind just goes over the top of them, you know. And I crawled into one not knowing what I was. I mean, I knew what I was crawling into, but I had no idea what I was going to find, you know. And I started crawling through this It looked like a tunnel, okay in the woods. I started crawling through this tunnel and then I got to this den with this structure that was pulled together. All these bushes and trees are pulled and they were all tied really really nice with these vines. And as I was looking at that and taking photographs of that, I went into the opening. I crawled up the where all the dirt was because, like I said, it slopes and never expecting to the thought never crossed my mind that they dug down once they got in there, you know. And when I went over that slope and I looked down and I seen a giant hole, my heart dropped because if that thing was there, I would have never seen it till it was too late, you know what I mean. And I was like, oh, crap, now you're gonna get yourself killed, you know, what are you doing? Man? And I just backed out of it because it had a very funky smell to it, you know. And I backed out of it, and I told the other guys who were with me what I seen, and nobody else wanted to go in there and photographed that. They were like, well, we believe you, you know, we're not going in and I was like, okay, but again, the big foot stuff is much different, you know, and just yeah, it was just crazy. And when we found that den in the swamp, we hit I was being pulled to the swamp, and I told Brian and billisai, whatever you guys do, don't pull me anywhere else. I want to stay focused on the swamp I've been. I've been being pulled there all winter long. I don't know why I have to go into the swamp. So they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, no problem, will go with you, because I wasn't going to go even if they didn't come. I was going because I was being pulled. I had to go. And we went out there, and as we were getting close, maybe a couple of hundred yards away, something started hitting me with infrasound and I started sweating profusely and I was overheating, and I knew what was going on. I knew something was hitting me with infrasound trying to stop me from getting to that den. I don't know if it was the sas squatchers trying to stop me from getting myself killed, or if it was the dog man trying to stop me, but something was pulling me there, and I can see the den from where I was sitting. I was pouring water over my head and Brian's like, eat these oranges, you know, and Bill is like we should turn around. We should turn around, we shouldn't go there. And I'm like, there's no way I'm turning around. I could literally see the swamp from where I'm sitting. I'm not turning around. You know, this is not going to stop me from getting there. And then it passed and we went and we started searching, searching the swamp. Didn't know what I was looking for. Nobody knew what we were looking for. We were just searching, and we went even went up on the high ridge. We looked down towards the swamp, didn't really notice anything. We're looking around, we didn't see anything. We didn't see anything for like an hour, and I was like, there has to be a reason why I was being pulled here. And then I heard the little voice in my head say jump up on this big rock. And I jumped up on this huge stone. And then a voice said, move the cattails when you walk this stick. The cattails were like fifteen feet high. Man. I moved the cattails with my walking stick, and there's a trackway going straight into the swamp. So now I called Brian and Bill up and we're all moving. We're moving, and Bill's like, oh shit, I'm going in there, and he jumps off the rock and he goes to step into the swamp because he wants to because now we can see a den in the swamp. Right he goes to take the first step in and he sinks down to his knees and now he's stuck. We got to pull him out of the mud. And he zooms in with his camera. And when he zooms in with his camera, we can see through the viewfinder of the camera, we can see a giant dog man with a wolf head looking south, but you can see the silhouette of the heads and it's humongous, just humongous. And right next to him is the one that I believe bluff charged us. It looked like it was a hyena type, right, and it's looking at us and it's snarling like it's disgusted that we found its den and it wants to just come out and kill us. And to the left of that is this creature. I could I say it looked like the creature from the Black Lagoon, but it was probably more like a reptilian kind of thing. It's standing next to the dog man that looks like a hyaena and it's holding two hands of too small look like sasquatches in the den and we're like, what now, All of a sudden, the veil is lifted from our eyes and we're finding arches and extra brands and brakes and finding scat on the floor, and we find this thing that looks like a homemade corral, like with down trees where somebody would run deerant it to ambush them, you know. And then we go up on the ridge, on the northwest ridge and we look down into the back of the swamp and there's a trackway coming out of the back of the swamp going right down the center of the swamp, you know. And Brian's like, oh, we got to come back with a drone. I gotta fly drone into that den. We got to get more images of it then, and it was just crazy. And I think that's when the big One came to my house, because we found its house. But I mean, I don't know what was pulling me there, you know, and I don't know what was trying to stop me from finding it. But for the first hour we were there, three grown men who know what we're looking for, didn't see anything. And then all of a sudden, as soon as we found that trackway. It was like the blinders were off, and now we're finding what kinds of shit? You know what I mean. It's just absolutely crazy. It's crazy how you can be in a location for a long period of time and not see anything, notice anything, especially when you're looking for it, and then something happens in the blink of an eye, you see everything. It's just absolutely nuts. Do you think you crossed over into their side? Like I've talked to other people before and they claim there's like maybe like a bridge that they come into ours, But sometimes we actually cross over into theirs. Maybe you couldn't see it before because it wasn't visible, but somehow you guys managed to get into their side of. It, and so they're around you think. Yeah, like a version of Theirs. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, you know, I honestly don't know. I mean, I don't know what happened that day. I mean, like you know, everybody says, like, you know, I know, like when I talked to the Iroquois about the dog mine and the big Foot, and they really don't like to talk about the dogmen, but they'll talk about the big Foot and they'll say they walk between worlds, you know what I mean. But I don't know if we crushed over into their realm, but it just looked like a parallel realm of ours, you know what I mean, that's probable. I mean, that's a good experience. I would guess, you know, maybe we when we crushed over into their realm, even though it still looked like our woods, we couldn't see anything because we weren't locked into their energy or whatever. And then all of a sudden, boom, we found everything. And it's just I don't know. It was just a crazy day, and I'm glad. I'm glad I didn't let that which a culture sound stop me from going. I'm not happy. They came to my house due different times. That's when I went back and I made the deal with them. I said, listen, I know where you live, you know where I live. I won't come here. You don't come to my house. And I've kept that deal. I don't go to the east side of the lake anymore, or the woods, you know. I stay on the west side with the squatches. But yeah, I just don't know. I mean, maybe that's definitely a good theory that we crossed over into their realm, you know, and that's why we didn't see everything at first. You know, maybe our bodies and our minds weren't sinked in until we see the trackway. And then, as the Grace said, once I see that trackway, it was like the blinders were off and it was that little voice in the back of my head. I said, jump on the rock, and it was that little voice in the back of my head that said move the cat tails with you're walking stick. And then it was like everything was right there. So that's kind of what I was thinking about, is maybe where they're from is basically like our they come to our side. We can't see them, but they're still like I don't know, I don't want to call the veil, but like maybe there's something to their world in our world it's the same exact thing. I don't want to say, like Stranger Things, but that show is popular, but there's like an upside Down which based on the same version of our world, but we're not in that one. But maybe that's their version of the world. So like some of the things are still the same, but it's different on their end because it's not our world. That makes any. Sense, I mean, it makes total sense to me, absolutely, I got sha. But like I said, but when they're here, they're flesh and blood, you know what I mean, And they can be killed the same thing with the SaaS watches. When they're here, they're flesh and blood and they can be killed, you know. But you know, I don't know if they're here all the time. I mean, I'm a doing summer here all the time because of there's so much food sources here, you know what I mean, compared to maybe where they're from. Maybe when they're in their world, they're not alpha predators. There are other things that hunt them. I don't know, you know, it's a little theory and conjecture, but they're alpha predators when they're here. And and I you know, and I think the reason why both of them are here are for the food. It's just an abundance of food in this in this realm, you know. Yeah. But at the end of the day, I wish we had answers, But I don't. Your guess as good as mine and anyone. Else result conjecture, speculation, absolutely, yeah, I mean, nobody's nobody's got rock solid evidence of any any of anything you know, we have we may have some photographs, we may have some audio and stuff like that, tracks physical evidence like tracks, but you know, it's not like somebody is living with them and document and everything, you know. So I mean it's amazing stuff. But like I said, you have to have the right mindset to do this stuff. My psychic always reads everybody I take out with me before I take them out, because there are times when I have to leave people behind because they have subconscious fear, and that fear makes them a target for something malevolent, you know what I mean, that may be feeding off that fear, and I don't want anybody to have anything attach, anything negative attached to them and bring stuff home to their family. So she reads everybody and she lets me know who can go and who can't go. And sometimes it pisces people off, you know. But I was like, listen, this is just the deal. I'm not going to put you in harm's way, and I'm not going to put your family in harm's way. And if you've got a problem with that, and join a different team, because I don't want that on my conscious. You know. I know people that have gone out and brought stuff home to their family, their children and stuff like that and called me and asked me if I know anybody who could go there and take care of the situation. And I've actually had send friends of mine who do me a favor and go to these locations and take care of this stuff for my friend, you know. And they don't even know the people, you know what I mean, they don't know my guy. My guy doesn't know them. They're doing it for me, you know. And I don't like to ask for too many favorites like that, you know. Yeah, yeah, I get it. Well, I'll they can probably wrap this one up. We've been going on for almost an hour and a half, but okay, absolutely, It's always a pleasure to talk to you. Thank you, my brother. Yeah. Would you like to let the audience know where they can find you at? Sure, you guys can find me on Facebook. That's where well, most of our groups are on Facebook. Bryan's got us on everything, but that's where I'm usually hanging around. If anybody's got any questions or about anything and they want to reach out to me, they can reach out to me in any of our groups on Facebook, where they could just reach out to me personally at al Santa Rigan Messenger and I don't have a problem reaching back out to you and talking to you about any questions or just you know, anything in general, if you're curious about something, you know. I just had a guy reach out to me from Pennsylvania, I think he was, and he was wanted to go out looking for the dog man, and you know, and I was like, you know, why why do you want to go looking for the dog man? You know? And he's telling me all this, I said, tell me what you think you know. Just tell me what you think you know, because there's a lot of people out there putting bad info out there, and then people are going they're putting people in harm's way. I don't want you to go into the woods and put yourself on harm's way. Tell me what you think you know. And then when he told me, and I was like, dude, you are so far off, And I said, this is what you need to know, this is what you need and if you still want to go out there, that's signed you. But I don't go looking for these things. If they're out there, they'll find you, you know. So I think I changed his mind. He decided because they stopped talking to me after that, you know. But there's a lot of bad info out there, and I won't tell people where my locations are. I don't know where these locations are because I don't want someone going out there and getting killed. You know. Yeah, I've had people ask me the same thing about where I'm going to be out filming and stuff. I'm not telling anyone the exact locations just because I don't want people going out there screwed around with me if I'm trying to do something. But at the same time, I also don't want people going out there and getting hurt. Yeah, no, you know what I mean. Nobody needs people out in the woods messing with them when they're trying to get evidence and they're trying, you know, their boots on the ground and they're trying to be legit, And we don't need people hoax and the thrower out there or god forbid. You tell them one of your locations and they go out there and they do some kind of black magic ritual, you know what I mean, And then you walk into that shit a week later, you know what I mean, You don't know what's waiting for you. I don't want that crap either, Yeah now. Yeah, yeah, so I know some of the areas we've went or on my location thing. They used to actually do satanic rituals, but someone got murdered out there a few years ago and now it's completely off limits. So I don't know how we're supposed to go there, but we'll see what happens. I go full gorilla style. Well there's a will, there's a way, absolutely, yeah. 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