Ep. 188: Cryptid Territory: Bigfoot, Dogman, and High Strangeness in the Empire State

[00:00:03] And I just turned around and I pulled ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with that. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my headlights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most were the eyes were glowing red.

[00:00:30] I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. He tends to tell them that he saw a UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about? That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it. And that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose, and the eyes.

[00:00:58] As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, it felt like death. Welcome back to Tinfoil Tales. I'm your host, Brandon. Tonight, we're joined by my guest, Al. Thanks for coming back to the show and talking with me again. Hey, no problem. Thank you. The pleasure is all mine to be here. Thank you for having me. Hey, not a problem. We talked a couple, I was gonna say maybe a year and a half ago.

[00:01:24] You're on a Halloween episode about Dogman stuff, but you've got plenty of different experiences to dive into. Before we get into it, if you want to let the audience know a little bit about yourself. Okay. My name is Al Santariga, a.k.a. the Squatch Father. That's what they call me. My mom was a psychic. My brother was one of the first parapsychologists in the United States.

[00:01:52] The paranormal was normal in my house. I had an aunt and two aunts that were white witches and a cousin who was a black witch. And growing up in my house, like I said, the paranormal was normal. I thought it was like that in everybody's house until I got older and started telling my friends what we were experiencing. And they thought we were, I was nuts, but I mean, it is what it is.

[00:02:18] And I've, I don't claim to be psychic, but I have all the Claire's. And what I mean by that is if I'm on an investigation, I'll get pulled somewhere. I can't just go into a room and read the room. I could feel energy. I could taste, smell, hear, and sense stuff. But I just can't go in and do like, like my team psychic. She reads everything over the phone.

[00:02:46] She lives, she lives in Arkansas. She's fifth generation. She's Native American and she reads everything through me. She says I'm a conduit. But, you know, I am sensitive to energies. And I mean, every time I go out, something's happened. You know what I mean? A lot of people go out and nothing happens. And even on the nights that I consider to be crappy nights, like nothing's happened.

[00:03:14] When you add everything up at the end of the night, it's still pretty exciting night. You know what I mean? It's just not up to par for me. But, yeah, I mean, you know, I run the Bronxville Paranormal Society. That's my team. I'm also director of the New York State UFO Project, New York State Dog Man Project, the North American Dog Man Project. I'm region three director. And the New York State Sasquatch organization.

[00:03:43] So, you know, I wear a lot of hats. But the parent company was the BPS, the Bronxville Paranormal Society. And that's where you'll find me most of the time. But, you know, I'm happiest when I'm out in the field investigating.

[00:04:01] And it doesn't matter if I'm four miles deep in the woods, squatching or doing a CE5 over the Hudson River or in a haunted hotel somewhere doing an investigation. As long as I'm outside investigating, that's where I'm the happiest. Yeah. So, you had been doing this for a very long time. A lifetime, yes. What was one of the reasons that drew you into it?

[00:04:32] Like, did you have an experience at an early age? I know you mentioned with your family history and stuff. But was there an event that you can recall that really drove you to this? Well, my very first experience happened when I was five. My grandmother, who lived with us, passed away. And, you know, my parents and my grandparents are from Italy, from the other side. And when she passed away, I got her room.

[00:05:01] I got her room. I got her bed. I got her pillow, her blankets. And one night I was sleeping in her room. And we had just come back from the wake. You know, back then they would wake a person for like three days. And the funeral parlor was like across the street from the building where I lived. And every night when my mother would put me to bed, my grandmother would come and tuck me in.

[00:05:28] And, you know, she would talk to me in Italian and say, you know, don't worry. I'm just here to make sure you're okay. And, you know, tuck you in. And, you know, and I tell my father, he didn't believe in ghosts, even though he's seen one run through the engine block of his car. He didn't believe in ghosts. And he was like, oh, your grandmother's across the street, you know. And my mother, who was psychic, she had psychic abilities. I would tell her. She would say, yeah, don't worry about it. And she's just here to tuck you in.

[00:05:55] And she did that for like the three days that we waked her. And then after we actually buried her, she stopped coming to see me. So, you know, at a very early age, I started experiencing stuff. Hmm. It's always seems to be the case when I've talked with other people is there's always like the younger age that something happens. There's like an experience.

[00:06:24] And I don't know if it's because children are more open to stuff, but a lot of people that have like a lot of experiences, it does start similar around. And if I remember right, I heard this before. I think it was like between the ages of four to seven. Okay. Between four and seven is like the most common when children start having like experiences, especially like with stuff like paranormal or UFO related. Yeah.

[00:06:50] I had my first UFO experience at 10 and my first Bigfoot experience at 12. 12 and like I said, my family did practice. They did seances and they read tarot cards and stuff like that. So when I was younger and I'd go over one of my cousin Anthony's house, sleep over for a weekend or my cousin Dino's house.

[00:07:19] The adults would always go into the dining room and they would either read tarot cards or do seances. And I remember a few times me and my cousins creeping out along the hallway in the dark, in the shadows, watching, you know, and watching the candelabras dancing, going from a flame that's an inch high to a foot back down to an inch. You know, it was pretty wild stuff, you know.

[00:07:46] So, I mean, my brother had a whole library of books in his room, everything under the sun. And as soon as he finished reading it, I would attack it and I would read it, you know. So growing up, I had my own personal library in the room next door, you know. My brother was much older than me. And so it was just like I said, my sister has had, you know, life experiences, you know, near death experiences and stuff.

[00:08:16] And her, like my mother, are sensitive to energies as well. So, you know, my brother, who was like the one who really got, really dove into it, had, you know, went into California to get his degree in parapsychology. He's like the one guy who had the least amount of experiences, you know. Don't ask me why. I don't know.

[00:08:45] It seems to be how it works. He's been one UFO. He's had a couple of paranormal experiences in houses that he was in. And I think once when he was out hunting in Connecticut, he tracked a Bigfoot in the snow until it went up a cliff face. It went straight up a cliff. And he was like, yeah, I can't get up there. So I don't know where it went, you know. But that's the closest he's ever come to seeing a Bigfoot or anything like that. Yeah.

[00:09:15] That's the one thing that I can't say that I've ever encountered is a Bigfoot. So hopefully soon. We'll see what happens. Well, then this is what you have to do. You have to get yourself out in the woods. And you have to do, you have to get out there at night because that's when they're most active. And you have to find a location that's very squashy. Look for X's, X's, brakes, bends, twists, arches, all of that stuff.

[00:09:44] When you find a location that has all of that in one location, hunker down there and they will come. And if they're in the area, they will come to see who's there. And then you'll have your experience because you'll never find them. They will find me. They have to come to you. Yes.

[00:10:03] And if you're in their location, especially a location that has all of that sign, you know, and they're around that time of the year, they will definitely come in to see who's there. You know, there's no doubt in my mind about it. When it starts to warm up, we're going to be out doing some documenting and stuff. And we've got some locations mapped out from people who have had sightings and stuff here recently in certain areas. So I've got everything planned.

[00:10:32] It's just a matter of not being negative 10 degrees outside to try and trade something to them. They're probably not going to actually come in too close if you got cameras rolling. You know what I mean? I mean, I know you're doing a documentary and everything.

[00:10:52] You have to have cameras rolling, but you'd be better off with just running audio and shutting the cameras off and just sitting there. And, you know, I use I don't I don't light fires because I don't want to burn the woods down. I use glow sticks for ambient light and just sit there and having a conversation or listening to music. I do things to bring them in. I'll I'll play Native American music. I'll use incense.

[00:11:22] I'll fill the woods up with aroma. I have a couple of little things I do as well. But if you do one of those two things or both and they're in the area, they will definitely come in to see who's there. Mm hmm. You know, so the camera will have the cameras with us, but they're not going to be rolling the whole time. I'm just going to sit out there and we're just going to wait and see what happens. I'll have a thermal on me and I'll check around for that.

[00:11:49] But other than that, I'm not going to be out there filming nonstop of nothing. Yeah, because, you know, like I said, if you have cameras rolling, they won't come in. They'll they'll stay just out of out of reach. They'll stay in the shadows. They'll stay behind trees. They'll stay behind big rocks and stuff like that. But if the cameras are off and the audio is going, they don't care about audio for some reason. It doesn't. You know, it doesn't.

[00:12:17] They don't bother with it, but they'll come in. You know what I mean? I've had them come in and surround me. And I was with a couple of ghost hunters who were scared out of their mind. And and I said, don't worry about it. They're like freaking out on how we're going to get out of here. And I was like, don't worry. When they want us to leave, they'll open up a path for us to leave. You know, they just want to let us know that. They're here, you know. But, you know, I mean, it's a very exciting experience.

[00:12:46] You know, you'll hear the whistles. You hear the whoops. You'll hear the knocks. You'll hear the tree knocks, the wood knocks, the rock knocks. You know what I mean? They can come in like a herd of elephants and let you know they're there. Or they can creep in on their belly and you'll never know they're there. I mean, I don't know how they do it. But I've had one come as close to me as seven feet. Snuck up behind me seven feet.

[00:13:13] And I was out in the woods with a friend of mine who was an Alphabet Agency guy. And he had his night vision goggles on. And they didn't record. They were just night vision goggles. And he was flipping out because he's seen it. He's like, Al, it's like 20 feet away. Al, it's like 10 feet away. Al, it's like, you know, seven feet away. And I'm like, relax, dude. We're at the sacred site. Nothing's going to happen. He was afraid they were going to grab me and drag me off, you know.

[00:13:43] And I said, no, because I don't let anybody bring any guns out with me. That's the one thing. If I'm not carrying a gun, you're not carrying it. I don't care if you are a federal agent. You're not carrying a gun with me because I can't trust you. I don't know how people are going. Everybody reacts differently in their presence. You know what I mean? And you may think you're going to act one way. But what I tell everybody is when you see these things up close and personal,

[00:14:12] your brain can't comprehend what your eyes are seeing because they're so massive. You know, they're just so massive. And he was freaking out. He thought they were going to pull me up. And I actually had a camera going, but it was pointed in the wrong direction. They came in from behind the camera. And I got up to try to make like this smooth move. I was going to get up like I was stretching and turn the camera around. But soon as I touched that thing, they were gone. Boom.

[00:14:42] So, yeah, I mean, like I said, just find yourself a really, really squatty location and hunker down and they'll come to you. So I know there's a few different spots that are had multiple Bigfoot sightings and a couple that have multiple werewolf, which I say are dogmen. Yeah, dogmen. The people that told me about it called them werewolves. Yeah, that's what people call them because that's the only reference we have.

[00:15:10] You know, growing up as kids, we see werewolf movies, you know. And then, you know, when you see one of these things in real life, if you've never heard of the term dogman, that's the first thing you say is, I see the goddamn werewolf, you know. Like, what the hell was that, you know. That's what I first thought when I saw the first one I'd seen. So I didn't know what a dogman was until after that. When I figured out what things were by diving into it to see.

[00:15:37] Because I've seen an upright walking dog. I didn't know what the fuck it was. So, but no, that is, there's multiple places around here that I've got mapped out. I've got like a map up on the wall with a little yarn. I've done my whole crap with it to try and map everything out. The whiteboard going with the yarn. Okay, yeah, okay. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, absolutely. I don't go looking for the dogman.

[00:16:01] As a matter of fact, we just went out in the beginning of November to Sacred Site. We were just doing some, we were actually like squatching. And the dogman is at the east end of the woods. And the Bigfoots are on the west side of the woods. And there's like a 52-acre lake in between us. And we actually got the dogman. The dogman went off while we were there. We do, I like to do day and night.

[00:16:28] Because I'm all into energy and everything. And, you know, like I have 250 readings that I do. And I do like that 250 readings like 10 times. Because every time I introduce something into the atmosphere, the readings change. You know, and I have to go through all the readings to see which ones changed. And the same thing when they come in, the readings will change.

[00:16:56] And we had a dogman go off. And my cousin was with me. And he had never experienced a dogman before. I mean, not up close and personal. He never heard one. And as soon as the dogman stopped going off, the coyotes went off. And we recorded everything. And it was pretty wild. I mean, it was crazy. It seemed like it was 30 coyotes. And they were just losing their mind. And then they were starting to calm down. And I think the dogman went off again.

[00:17:26] And he got them all started again. And he actually, he never came up to the sacred site. Because, again, that's Sasquatch territory. But at the end of the night, when we came down off of the sacred site and we came down to the lake, he came over to the west side of the lake. And he was standing up on a little hill above us, maybe 100 feet behind us. And he screamed again. He went off again.

[00:17:55] And it went right through my cousin and into me. And we're four miles deep into the woods. And my cousin was like, the dogman? I go, yeah, that's the dogman. And he goes, OK. So look, I go, he goes, what are we going to do? I said, we're just going to hike out of here. And he says, OK, let me know when you want to stop for a break. Because I usually stop every two miles for water on a 10-minute break. Because I'm 62 years old. I'm carrying a 60-pound pack. You know what I mean?

[00:18:25] And I heard this thing scream. And we were on the west side of the woods. And to me, that told me, because we hadn't had any Bigfoot experiences all night, that told me that the squatches weren't there. For it to be on the west side of the woods. Because if the squatches were there, they would have herded us out. They always herded us out. And there's always like two or three of them.

[00:18:52] And I don't think the dogman would have came over to that side of the woods if we had three Bigfoots behind us, you know, herding us out. So, but, you know, yeah, the dogman, he's a whole different animal. I made a deal with him many, many months ago. Oh, I won't go to your house if you don't come to mine, you know. I was actually a little freaked out. I was hoping he didn't come back to my house after that experience.

[00:19:17] Because I kind of felt, and I don't know if it's just my own paranoia or my own imagination, when he went off the first time, he was by his den, you know. Right. On the east side of the woods. But I felt like he was screaming at me. Like, he had caught my scent or something. And he was screaming at me because he was screaming up. And the sacred site is on a high plateau off the main trail, you know. And I felt like he was screaming at me.

[00:19:46] And then when we were hiking out and he came over and he was on that little hill and he just, like, looked down at us and he screamed at us again. Again, I felt like it was personal towards me. Like, I told you not to come back here, you know. But I wasn't on his side of the woods, so I didn't give a shit, you know. But it was, you know, I was worried not so much for myself but for my cousin, you know what I mean?

[00:20:14] Because I told his father I'd bring him home in one piece, you know. And so I was like, man, if he gets in front of us, if he flanks us, we're going to have to fight our way out of here, you know. And all we had were 18-inch machetes and 10-inch libel knives. I don't know how far we would have got, you know. But, I mean, it's just, you know, crazy stuff like that happens. So, yeah, this is a place of high strangeness. There's a lot of crazy stuff that goes on there.

[00:20:44] And I was going to get into an experience that happened here in 2015 where, like, everything under the sun happens, you know. Okay. Yeah. Now, what location? Like, you don't have to give the exact point, but, like, what part, like, kind of word, general area where you're at? I'm in the Mid-Hudson Valley in New York State. Okay.

[00:21:07] Yeah, I'm not, you know, right in the middle of, you know, upstate New York and downstate New York. You know what I mean? If you come from upstate, I'm downstate. If you come from downstate, I'm upstate, you know. Okay. It all depends on where you're coming from, but I'm right in the middle. It's called the Mid-Hudson Valley. Southern Catskill region, southern tier of the Catskill region.

[00:21:32] Catskill Mountains here in New York State are 500,000 acres, you know. Okay. And I'm at the southern tip of those. And then further up, we have the Adirondacks, and that's 6 million acres, but it's a whole different animal. Yeah. So, for me, when I've went up to, I've only been to New York once. We went to, up by Buffalo to go up to Niagara Falls. Okay. So, I was only up there for a day to go to Niagara Falls. Okay.

[00:22:02] But I've never been anywhere else in New York, so I'm not really familiar with all that. Like, when someone says New York, the first thing I think is, is New York City. Yeah, everybody thinks of Manhattan. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. So, like, no one thinks about the fact that it's not that sort of a jungle of the Manhattan buildings and mountains of that, but there's actually wooded areas. There's mountains. There's nothing. We have a lot of natural forest here in New York, you know.

[00:22:28] I mean, like I said, the Adirondacks are 6 million acres, and the Catskill Mountain regions are half a million acres. And we have a lot of state parks that are, you know, anywhere from 1,500 acres to 5,000 acres, you know what I mean? We have a lot of wood land in New York State. Yeah. A lot of campings and campsites and stuff like that. Yeah.

[00:22:53] That's, you don't think about stuff like that unless you're actually around there and involved in it. But, like, when I talk to people that aren't from America, like, you don't think about how big our country actually is size-wise. Oh, yeah. Our country's huge. Absolutely. Until you talk to someone else or, like, they drove all the way across to England and it was, like, an eight-hour drive. I'm like, shit, that's only going to get me to, like, two states down. I don't get you to Ohio. Right.

[00:23:22] That takes me eight hours to get to Nashville. So. But, no. Well, if you want to dive into it from what happened in 2015. What state are you in now? I'm in Indiana. Oh, you're in Indiana. Okay. North central Indiana. So Nashville is, like, south, west of you? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah, so 2015, my tech guy and my camera guy, we decided to go do an investigation.

[00:23:51] Found a location with a lot of high strangeness involved in it. There was a lot of Bigfoot reports on the BFRO page, according to the, like, along the Appalachian Trail here. And there were also a lot of reports of UFOs siphoning water out of the lake and balls of light going in and out of the lake.

[00:24:18] And so me and my camera guy decided to do a little recon of the place. And we were hiking along the Appalachian Trail. And we were maybe four miles in. And we were on the eastern side of the lake. And it's, like I said, it's a 52-acre lake. And we were up on a high ridge. We just ended up on a high ridge.

[00:24:47] Just the way the trail went, we ended up on a high ridge. But off the trail, I seen three quartz crystal stones set up, like, in a pyramid shape, you know? And I was like, ooh, this is interesting. Maybe we'll start here. And then we'll work our way back to the meadow. We labeled one area called the meadow. And then we'll finish up at the campsite on our way out.

[00:25:16] So we started at the furthest point in to work our way out. So he's like, OK. So we checked that. We marked these three spots. And so we go out there. We're doing a day-night investigation. And we really didn't know what to expect. Honestly, it was Halloween. It was going to be a full moon that night. It was going to be a meteor shower that night as well. And we get out there.

[00:25:44] And we get to the first location. We called the psychic. She said, OK, this location, you know, you're going to have, you're going to see. And my psychic will tell us stuff, like what we're going to experience. And we will laugh at her like she's high, OK? Like, Cindy, what are you smoking? You know what I mean? She said, OK, this location, you're going to have a Sasquatch experience.

[00:26:14] And you're going to have a dogman experience. And you're going to see a UFO. And, you know, we're three guys from the city, you know. Like, come on, lady. What are you, nuts? Look at all of this stuff is going to happen at our first location. And we took it with a grain of salt, you know. And she said, call me later. I like to do a day-night, you know, because the energy changes from day to night. Right.

[00:26:39] And we had these three quartz crystal stones set up as a pyramid. So I brought a rose quartz skull. And my tech guy, Brian, brought a crystal skull. And we were going to try to get the rose quartz or the crystal skull to transfer energy over to the quartz, the rose quartz. OK?

[00:27:07] We wanted to see if we can film energy transferring over from one skull to the other on these three quartz crystal stones, you know. And we're trying it. And we're doing all kinds of stuff. And not having much success with anything. Put a compass on it. Really didn't move any. Again, I like to go old school, new school. But sometimes the new school stuff don't work and the old school stuff works great.

[00:27:37] And so we weren't having a lot of success with everything. So I said, OK. I pulled out a thermal imager. And I'm filming in thermal. We had a full spectrum going, an IR camera going, a thermal camera, and a regular camera going. And I had the actual thermal in my hand. And the stones were ice cold. There was nothing happening with the stones. So I said, OK, you know what?

[00:28:07] Let's try something. And I pulled out a Tibetan singing bowl. And I filled the woods up with the frequency from the bowl. And everything changed. My teeth started tingling. I had a metallic taste in my mouth. I started filming the quartz stones again. Now the stones in thermal are white hot. OK?

[00:28:35] We're not getting any transfer of energy, which we were trying to get. But the stones are white hot. So I tell my tech guy, I said, dude, touch the stones. Let me know if they're hot. They're white hot in the thermal imager. He's like, I'm not touching those stones. Are you crazy? I don't know what we did to this stuff. And I'm like, you got to touch the stones. You got to let me know. He's like, I'm not touching the stones. You're crazy. So I said, here, you film. I'll touch them.

[00:29:01] Because I wanted to see if they were really as hot as what they were appearing on the thermal. And I touched them, and they were ice cold. So he says, well, let's call the psychic again. And then I had a parabolic mic going. And we caught like a Morse code coming out of the sky on the parabolic mic. It was crazy. And everybody was throwing theories up in the air. And they were saying, oh, maybe there's like radiation in the trees.

[00:29:31] Because at this location, they used to mine weapons-grade uranium. And there was an explosion at the facility. Then it went into the lake. And the lake was polluted. And all this crazy stuff. And one guy saying, well, maybe there's radiation in the trees. Another guy was saying, maybe it's some kind of tower that's putting off a signal. And I'm saying, well, maybe it's just a UFO in the sky that looks like a cloud. You know what I mean?

[00:30:01] But something. We're definitely getting something. So we called the psychic back. And the psychic couldn't talk. She's like, move. Move. I can't. Like, we couldn't understand what she was saying. It sounded like she had cerebral palsy. She could not talk. And she's like, what the hell did you guys do? And I was like, well, we ramped up the energy with a Tibetan single boat. We introduced frequency and vibration into the investigation to see what we could get.

[00:30:30] And she's like, all bets are off now. She goes, you guys just went crazy. These woods are, you changed all the energy. I had to literally go like 100 feet from where I was for her to be able to talk to me over the phone. So I said, okay, all bets are off. Let's see what happens. So we're sitting there. And it gets dark. We got headlamps. The headlamps are off. We got glow sticks in front of us for ambient light.

[00:30:58] And the moon comes up. And the coyotes are going off on the west side of the lake. This is the full moon. And the coyotes are going nuts, which sets off the dogs in a kennel on the east side of the lake. And the dogs are going crazy. And the coyotes are going crazy. And we're sitting there. And I got the parabolic mic on. And I hear something walking over towards us. Something really heavy and big. Boom, boom, boom. Walking over.

[00:31:28] So I give it to my tech guy. He listens. I give it to my camera guy. He listens. And I'm thinking. I go, man, I wonder if it's another paranormal group out here. Because it's Halloween. You know? We should cover the glow sticks so no one sees where we're at. Our location. And they both looked at me like I had two heads. And they're like, what are you talking about? Whichever walking over here has got to weigh like 1,000 pounds.

[00:31:55] That's not another dude in the woods investigating, you know? Right. And I was like, oh. I said, yeah, you know, it kind of did sound like. But I was thinking. You know, maybe. And again, we were in the woods a long time. And maybe the energy was taking effect on me. And I was thinking it was probably another team. So we're sitting there. And we hear. Whoop. Whoop. Whoop.

[00:32:21] Three of the most loud, powerfulest whoops you've ever heard in your life. And we were up on a ridge. 50 feet above the ground level. And this thing was maybe. 100 yards away from us in the tree line. Didn't see it on any of the cameras. But it let out these three giant whoops that went right through us. Hit you like a bass drum on a Metallica concert, man.

[00:32:50] It just went right through us. And the camera guy is like, what the hell is that? And I go, I know what that is. You know? I go, that's a Bigfoot. There's a Bigfoot down there, you know? And so he's like, well, maybe we should leave. You know, we should get out of here. And I was like, nope, not ready to go. I think there's still more to come, you know? So we hunkered back down. We didn't hear anything. We hunkered back down. And we're sitting there. And we're just talking amongst ourselves.

[00:33:20] And this Sasquatch throws a stone the size of a bowling ball up over the top of the trees. Now, you got to imagine. We're 50 feet up on the ridge. The trees are 50, 60 feet high. This thing went up over the top of the top of the trees. And it came down perfect in between all three of us. And it rolls and it hits my tech guy's chair.

[00:33:49] And my tech guy goes, I think it's time to go. And then the camera guy goes, yeah, let's go, let's go. And I'm like, no, no, no. I still feel like there's more to come. I don't want to leave too soon. And they're like, Al, you're out of your mind. We got to get out of here, you know? And I'm like, no, I just feel like there's more to come, you know? Well, let's just hang out a little bit longer. So we hang out. We never heard the Sasquatch walk away, although we heard them walk in.

[00:34:18] So we're sitting there and we're talking. And we got like a three-foot stone wall behind us. We got a lot of these stone walls on the East Coast that just run in all directions in the woods, you know? I don't know if they were made during the Revolution, every war to sit behind them to shoot at or, you know, to shoot the English or whatever. But they just run in all different directions. And my cameraman is sitting up against the wall. I'm sitting in the middle and my tech guy is to my right.

[00:34:47] All of a sudden, we hear something, a quadruped come running up the ridge. Boom. Boom. Boom. This thing is coming. Boom. Boom. Boom. Yeah.

[00:35:29] It's coming up the ridge. My tech guy was to my right. They were in a little bit more of a clearing behind me, so they pulled out their machetes. I was more in between the trees, so I pulled out my survival knife, and I'm thinking, man, this mountain lion is going to hit this wall, and he's going to jump right at my neck, and I'm going to have to sacrifice my left arm

[00:35:57] and kill it with this survival knife, you know? And this is what's going through my head, and it's coming up the ridge, and we hear it coming, and I say, put your headlamps on. We all turn our headlamps on to see what's coming, and the sound comes right up to where we are and stops, and we're all waiting for something to come over the ridge, over the wall, and I had a little Sony digital camera hanging around my neck.

[00:36:26] I took one photograph of where I thought it stopped, and, you know, you couldn't see anything on the back of the camera because it's really tiny, and I just dropped the camera back down, and we waited. Nothing came over. We didn't hear anything run back down the ridge. We didn't hear anything jump down into the swamp. So I said, grab the cameras. Let's go over the wall. We went over the wall, and we pointed the cameras in all the directions,

[00:36:55] and we didn't see anything, and my camera guy had a 1500 Luma flashlight, and it lit the woods up like daytime, and we did not see anything. We don't know where this thing went to or how it left or nothing, and we just stood there and baffled. We were just baffled because there was nothing on any of the cameras that we were filming on, and at that point, they were like, can we leave now,

[00:37:25] you know, and I was like, okay, we can start packing up. Let's just take our time packing up in case something else happens, you know, so we packed up, and as we were leaving, my tech guy, Brian, says, you know what? I'm going to have, he had a, he was filming with a little camera, a night vision camera. He said, I'm not going to pack the camera. I'm going to leave it out in case we come across something.

[00:37:54] I don't want to be that guy who doesn't have the camera running, you know? So I said, all right, Brian, you leave your camera out. We packed up all the rest of the gear, and we're walking across this really treacherous, rocky formation. I mean, you have to be a billy goat to go across this shit, and I see this silver strobe light in the sky going from west to east.

[00:38:23] I'm wearing a stone. That night, I'm wearing a stone. It's called an alien stone. It puts out the frequency for aliens, okay? I forgot the name of it. It's like a green stone. It's part of a meteorite, and it's very rare. They mine it in Romania or something, right? But I was told it puts out an alien frequency, and I'm wearing a stone because I want something

[00:38:53] to happen at night. I don't know if anything's going to happen. So I see this thing in the sky, and I go, oh, God, please don't let these guys get abducted because of me because I'm wearing a stone, you know? But I'm not telling anybody what I'm seeing because I want to get across this treacherous part of these rocks to get back on the Appalachian Trail to get to the meadow when Brian says, what's that? He sees it. He pulls up the camera, and he's filming it. Now,

[00:39:22] it's not silver anymore. It's orange, and it's red, and it's silver, and he's filming it, and it stops in the middle of the sky like it's seen us, and it makes a beeline comes right over to us, and I tell everybody, shut off your headlamps. We shut off our headlamps, and I go, I text cameraman Bill, I go, Bill, time check, and he's like, nine o'clock or something like that. Like, okay. So we do a time check.

[00:39:52] We shut off the cameras, and this thing hits us with a floodlight, and it lights up the woods around us, and we're underneath this floodlight looking up at this craft, and it's making this electrical hum, and again, everybody goes into debating with theories. What is it? It can't be a drone. You know, it's not a helicopter. What is it? But a beep, but a boop, and we're all talking, you know, nonsense, trying to figure it out

[00:40:21] when all of a sudden, I say, let's step out of this light because we don't know what it's doing to us, and Brian thought it was downloading us. That's what he thought, and I said, let's step out of this light because we don't know what's going on here, you know, so we step out of the light. When we stepped out of the light, the light went off. It shrunk up. It disappeared, and the craft took off, and it flew across the lake, and in a blink of an eye, it was gone. Boom. So we just, we stand there for a minute, and we discuss what just happened, like,

[00:40:51] holy crap, did that just happen, and Brian's like, I got it on video. I got it, baby. That's why I didn't put my camera away, you know, and we're all like, oh, this is awesome, and we head over to the meadow. We get to the meadow. We set up the cameras in all different directions. We call Cindy again, the psychic, and we say, okay, Cindy, what's going to happen here? And she said, okay, here, you're going to see

[00:41:21] balls of light, but they're not really balls of light. They're fairies, she says. Like, okay, they're fairies, and she says, you're going to see gnomes, and I'm like, oh my God, we're going to see gnomes. She's talking about gnomes and fairies, and you're going to see shadow figures, and there's going to be a big foot here as well, and you're going to have all kinds of experiences at this location. Okay. Now, I had heard from the Native Americans in the area

[00:41:50] that if you see balls of light in the woods, do not follow them. They will lead you to your demise. Okay? I've heard that too. I told Brian, I said, you bring your green laser, I'll bring my red laser, and if any of these balls of light should show up, we'll hit them with the lasers, and we'll see what happens. Right? So, I'm facing south.

[00:42:19] Brian facing me, actually facing north. Bill is up looking east and west, filming the meteor shower. Oh, and when the Bigfoot whooped three times, the coyotes and the dogs shut right up. That was the end of them. You didn't hear that for the rest of the night. So, we're sitting there, and I'm seeing seven-foot shadow figures jumping from tree to tree. Not just one or two, but like

[00:42:49] four or five of them. And I'm telling Brian, do you see these shadow figures jumping from tree to tree? And Brian's like, yeah, I see them, you know, and I'm taking photographs of them or filming them with the cameras. And Brian goes, but I see something back there moving, man. Something small is running around back there. So, the camera that Bill was using, Brian and Bill had rigged up another

[00:43:18] screen on it, you know, a bigger screen. So, we actually had the camera viewfinder and this other screen that we had hooked up. Both of them had SD cards in them. So, Brian says, Bill, come here. Film over Al's shoulder. So, Bill is standing up, filming, he's to my left. He's filming the woods where Brian says, between this giant

[00:43:47] rock and this tree. Film over there. I'm seeing movement. Brian is standing over my shoulder. I'm holding this screen. Brian's looking down at the screen with me. And we see a gnome come out from behind the rock and it runs over to this tree and it goes from one tree to the other and it goes from west to east. Now, we all seen this,

[00:44:17] all three of us, and we look at each other and we say, did we just see what we've seen? Is it possible we've just seen what we've seen? And, you know, all three of us can't be having the same hallucination, right? So, Brian says, keep filming. So, we're filming and another one comes out from behind the tree and it runs over to the other tree. So, Brian says, oh, we got to go over there,

[00:44:49] and there's nothing there. But, Bill and Brian are giddy as schoolgirls because he goes, we got this on our SD cards. We got it on two SD cards. You know, we caught gnomes, man, gnomes running through the woods and everybody's really excited. So, we go back to the camp, the base camp and I say, film the trees. Film the trees with all of our cameras because I'm seeing shadow figures jumping from tree to tree. And when we

[00:45:19] film the trees, and these trees didn't have any leaves on it. This was Halloween. We film the trees. There's nothing but branches. But when you look at the trees through the IR camera viewfinder, all you see are these silver balls hanging from all the branches. It looks like a Christmas tree with ornaments on it. And we're trying to figure out what the hell we're seeing in the IR light because when we put the 1500 luma

[00:45:48] flashlight on it, all you see are branches. But you shut the flashlight off and you see all these little balls like orbs. So, we're debating on what the hell we're seeing when over on the east side of the lake, I see two balls of light come up out of the ground behind this one bush and these two balls of light come up and they're starting to rise up along the cliff face of the lake.

[00:46:19] And I say, Brian, Brian, Brian, grab your laser, grab your laser. I go, Bill, get your flashlight. I said, on three. Brian, you hit the one on the right. I'll hit the one on the left. Bill, you hit the whole area with your flashlight. Let's see what happens to these balls of light because maybe they may turn into a creature or something. You know, so on three, we hit these balls of light with our lasers. Bill lights up the woods with a 1500 litre

[00:46:48] flashlight and these balls blink out. They don't turn into anything. They don't go anywhere. They just blink out and they don't come back the rest of the night. Okay, so now we're sitting in there. We're discussing all this crazy stuff we're experiencing at this location. When we hear what sounds like a family coming down the Appalachian Trail, right? And we're like,

[00:47:18] who the hell is hiking the Appalachian Trail at night with their kids on Halloween? They should be out trick-or-treating. But you can leave literally hear two little kids giggling and laughing and like kicking stones and two adults murmuring. Now, we're three grown adults sitting in the dark with 18-inch machetes, 10-inch survival knives. So I say, maybe we should put our headlamps on so when these people come

[00:47:48] out into the meadow, they see us and we don't freak them out, you know? So we put our headlamps on and everything so they could see us and we hear the sound of them walking comes right up to the entrance of the meadow from the Appalachian Trail and no one comes out. So we're looking at each other and I said, Bill, grab your flashlight, let's go in there and see. I said, Bryce, stay here with the equipment.

[00:48:17] So me and Bill go in and we walk up about 100 yards back and forth on the Appalachian Trail and there's nobody there. Nobody there. So we get back out. Let's call Cindy the psychic, find out what happened. So we call Cindy and she's a little pissed at us. She's like, why are you calling me so goddamn late? I'm like, what are you talking about? We just got here. We just called you like 10 minutes ago. It's like a quarter after nine. We got here

[00:48:47] at nine, you know? And she's like, Al, check your watch. I'm like, what are you talking about? And we check our watches and we lost like two and a half hours of time. Right? So we don't know if we lost it with the UFO. We don't know what happened. But when we asked her about the family that we heard coming down the Appalachian Trail, she said that we were in a time-space

[00:49:17] continuum and that family actually will be there tomorrow during the day. They're not there. They weren't there now, you know? So we're just like, what the hell is going on? What the hell? You know, we lost two hours of time. We're in a time-space continuum. What the hell is going on? But now I realize, okay, it's 1130. I want to be at the campsite for 12 because everybody

[00:49:47] says the Bigfoot's come out at the campsite around 12. So, but at the same time, I'm taking photographs in the 360 with my little Sony digital camera because I'm doing this all night long. All night long, there's nothing in any of my photographs. But at one point, the photographs are just filled with orbs, all different kinds of orbs,

[00:50:16] different colors with faces in them, just hundreds and hundreds of orbs around us. And we had just done a Native American ceremony, drum ceremony. And right after we did that, all these orbs showed up, you know? And they're like, this is crazy. crazy. And so, we pack up the gear and we hike over to the campsite. We've been in the woods

[00:50:46] like 12 hours now. And I don't know if it was Brian or Bill, someone says, oh man, tonight's the night that we got to push the clocks back an hour. So, it's really not 1130, it's only 1030. So, we're going to have to sit here until 12 now, another hour and a half. And everybody is burnt out from the energy of these woods and everything we experience. And I'm like, oh man, there's no way I could sit here for another hour and a half.

[00:51:16] I am just physically burnt out, you know? Let's just hang out here for like a half hour. Nothing happens, we'll get the hell out of here. I don't know why we thought we had to change the clocks that night, but between three grown adults, we all thought the same thing. Oh man, you know, because nobody was thinking straight. Now the game plan going in was after we were done, we were going to

[00:51:46] go to the diner, grab a cup of coffee and a bite to eat and discuss what happened. Okay? This is something that we usually do when we're done with an investigation. We head over to like a 24-hour diner, get a bite to eat and a cup of coffee. And the whole night long, Bill is freaking out saying these woods are devoid of life. There's no life in these woods. There's a 52-acre lake. There's no ducks. There's no geese.

[00:52:15] There's no nothing. We don't hear any crickets. We don't see any animals. We're in these woods and we're four miles deep in the woods and there's no goddamn animals, no possums, no raccoons, no nothing. I'm like, will you shut up with the devoid of life stuff already? Because he just kept saying it over and over all night. Freaking Brian and me out. So we're

[00:52:45] hiking out. We finally get to the mining road and now we're only about a mile from our car. And as we're getting closer and closer to civilization, we're seeing all kinds of animal life. There's deers running across the road. Again, there's raccoons in the trees, there's skunks, there's all kinds of animals. It didn't make any sense. The closer we got to civilization, the more animals we

[00:53:14] seen when it should have been the other way around. It should have been tons of animals in the woods, you know what I mean? So we can get back to the car. Again, the game plan was we were going to head to a diner, get something to eat. Everybody jumps in their cars and goes different directions. Everybody just goes home. The next day, Brian calls me up and he's like, dude, I woke up, I'm spitting blue phlegm and I got a small handprint,

[00:53:44] black and blue on my chest. He goes, how are you feeling? And I was like, you know, it's funny you say this because I have a fat lip. I feel like I got something implanted in my lip, you know? So he says, let's call Bill, get him on a conference call, see what happened with him. So we called Bill and Bill's like, dude, I was freaking out all night. I had shadow figures at

[00:54:14] my back door looking in. I woke up this morning with a knot on my head like somebody hit me with a baseball bat. Now, nobody fell out in the woods that night. And it starts off as a mining road, then it goes into the Appalachian Trail, then it goes into a goat trail, and it's really, really sketchy, sketchy place. So everybody took their time walking through it. I don't want to, anybody goes down, you're going to crack your head open, break a leg or something.

[00:54:44] No one got hurt. So Brian says, okay, I'm going to call Cindy the psychic, see what happens. Because he's got a bump on his head. I got a fat lip Brian spitting blue phlegm with a little alien handprint on his chest. And we call the psychic. And she says, that place is insane. I've never ever experienced a place with that kind of energy like that. She says, you know, that place

[00:55:13] is a place of high strangeness. There are all kinds of portals there. She said, and I don't know about you guys, but I woke up this morning and the hand that I was holding the telephone with last night when I was talking to you, I have a rash from my wrist to my elbow. She's in Arkansas. How the hell does she get affected from us here in New York? And man, that was just the

[00:55:43] craziest night. When we went and did the evidence review, nobody noticed anything on the one photo I took of that stone wall where we had that thing running towards us. But I sent, we put it on Facebook and we put it out there and we said, if anybody's got any better equipment than us, because we're working, guys, we don't have a TV budget. If you guys have better equipment, you see anything, let us know. So this dude from California calls me up and he says, yo, Al,

[00:56:13] the picture of the stone wall, you got a dog man behind the stone wall looking at you. I'm like, what are you talking about, bro? He goes, I'll send it to you. So he sends me a picture that sends me my picture and he circles this dog man behind the wall sniffing over the wall. You can see his eye shine, his nose, his ears. He almost looks like he's got a pit bull head, you know what I mean? Like a square head and he's sniffing over the wall. And I

[00:56:43] see this picture and I go, this is photoshopped. There's no way this isn't. Because when we do our evidence review, we put it up on the 16th screen TV and it was usually eight guys in the room looking at it. Nobody noticed anything, you know? So I could run over to my little digital camera, pull out the SD card, throw it in the computer, and sure as shit, it's there. And I was like, how did we all miss this? You know? How did eight guys in the room on the 16th screen TV

[00:57:12] miss this? And then like a week later the dude calls me back and he says, you know that picture you took at the meadow with the little red maple tree? You know, this little red maple tree, and it was small. It was only maybe like four feet high. It was the only tree that had any leaves on it, you know? And I was like, yeah, I remember the little red maple, you know, and I kind of seen it that night when we were walking over looking for the gnomes, you know? And to me, it stood out because it was the

[00:57:42] only tree with leaves. Well, he goes, look at the photo of the picture with all the orbs in it. I go, yeah? He goes, I'm going to send you a photo. I'm going to zoom in. And underneath that little red maple is a Bigfoot on his belly watching us. Okay? And I said, okay, it's in the original photograph, that tree is just right at

[00:58:12] the end of the light from the flash. And so it's in the shadows. So it's in the shadows and the Bigfoot is underneath it. So there was no way when we had it on the 60 inch screen TV, me. Anybody even noticed it because we're looking at all the faces and all the orbs, you know, different color orbs, different color faces, different sizes, all kinds of crazy stuff. So again, I get my SD card out of my phone, out of my camera.

[00:58:41] I go over to the computer, put it in, and I think this was the same Bigfoot that came over to us and whooped at us and threw the stone at us. And I think he was just, again, this is all theory and conjecture, he was just hanging around making sure the dogman that Bluff charged us didn't follow us back over to the west side of the lake. I think that's why he was hanging around.

[00:59:11] You know what I mean? Watching us. And it was just a crazy night and I don't know if you know who Rosemary Ellen Guiley is. Rosemary is a researcher. She wrote a ton of books. She has a million books. She did a couple of different shows on the Travel Channel, Discovery Channel, about the paranormal. She lived in Connecticut not far from me. And we all made a pack

[00:59:40] that we wouldn't get regressed from that night. If nobody wanted to know what happened in the two hours that we lost, you know? And I became really, really good friends with Rosemary. And I said, Rosemary, I want you to do me a favor. She says, what? And I told her about that night. I told her everything I just told you. And I was like, I want you to regress me. I want to know if we really got abducted that night. You know, we lost two hours of time.

[01:00:10] And I want to know. And if it's not a bad experience, then I'll tell the guys and you can regress them as well. But if it is a bad experience, then I'll just keep it to myself and it'll never happen, you know? And she was like, okay, I'm finishing up shooting in California. When I finished that, I got a couple of stops on a book tour. I just wrote a new book. When I get back to Connecticut, I'll give you a call. Okay.

[01:00:40] She gets back to Connecticut and she says, okay, give me two weeks to get settled in and then you can come over and we'll do the regression. Absolutely, Rosemary. Just you and me and her husband. And she passed away and I never got it. Yeah, so I never got the regression because she was really the only one I actually would trust with something like that. But it was a crazy night. It was just, I mean, everything under the

[01:01:10] sun. And I don't know if it was because it was Halloween or it was a full moon or if there was a meteor shower. I wasn't checking energies back then, you know what I mean? We were just doing, we were using all the equipment that we had for ghost hunting, you know, dowsing rods, quartz, crystal pendulums, compasses. We were using all the high tech stuff, the

[01:01:40] EMF meters and stuff like that, you know, a little bit of both worlds to see what would work the best. But, you know, just, it was just such a crazy night and it was just so nuts. And I mean, you know, and I tell people this experience, people look at me like they think I'm bullshitting them, you know, that's like, dude, did that really happen? And I'm like, dude, there's no way three grown men could have the same

[01:02:10] hallucinations all night long. You know what I mean? We've experienced all of this shit. You mentioned with the noises with the kids. recently just talked to someone that has a lot of weird activity and they're over by, I think they're actually on the east side of Pennsylvania. But they they're out looking for Bigfoot, but they've got a lot of weird UFO stuff now too. But they've also had a lot of weird shadow

[01:02:40] people and they heard children. And they said the same thing, like, who the hell's going to bring their kids out in the middle of nowhere in the middle of night? Yeah, in the middle of night. It's just like that happened. Absolutely. Yeah. So it's interesting. You mentioned that and I literally just talked to a couple of guys the other day about that. Yeah, and it was so surreal because we were trying to comprehend. First of all,

[01:03:09] it's at night. It's how those kids should be trick-or-treating. But it's already 9 o'clock. They should be really the little kids. They should be home eating their candy. And you can hear them giggling and laughing and it sounded like they were kicking stones. And then you can hear the adults talking and you hear a murmur. You can't understand what they were saying, but you can hear a murmur. And then when no one came out onto the meadow, it was like, what the hell just happened?

[01:03:39] Where did these people go? I was like, grab your flashlight. Maybe something grabbed these people. Maybe they need help. Let's get in there and see what's going on. But there was just nowhere to be found. It was just crazy. And then I was being pulled back late following summer. I was being pulled back to that high ridge. But only this time I stayed below it into the swamp. And that's when I found the dogman then. But I mean,

[01:04:10] it's just crazy that I had never taken or heard any reports of the dogman being in that location. UFOs, Bigfoot, a lot of paranormal activity with the orbs and the shadow figures and stuff like that. But there was no reports of anybody ever seeing of the dogman, none. And to

[01:04:40] think we were right over its den and not knowing we were there, you know. And it's just crazy. Just absolutely nuts. That night was so crazy. What do you think dogmen are? Because if they have a den, it almost sounds flesh and blood. But even like with Bigfoot, there's a lot of weird supernatural paranormal aspects to them. So if it's not a physical creature, why would

[01:05:09] they do some of the things that they do? Why would they need a den? Why would they, some people say they eat stuff, other people say they don't eat stuff. So it's like, what is your take on the whole thing? Oh, I think, I think, well, I've been lucky enough to be invited to a bunch of symposiums over the years. And I've been lucky enough to sit with world-renowned psychics, okay? And my psychic will tell you she's not 100%, but she's

[01:05:39] full of shit. She's always 100%. Okay? See, I would put her up there with the world-renowned psychics. But I've been lucky enough to sit, and I have two questions for them. What are dogmen? Where do they come from? And they say the same thing to me. Every single one of them, including my psychic, says the same thing. They're interdimensional beings. They come here to hunt and feed. They're apex predators,

[01:06:09] and we have an abundance of food on this planet, in this realm. And that's what they do. And I've been inside dogman dens, okay? And I can tell you, their dens are nothing like Bigfoot dens. Completely different. It's usually bushes pulled over, make like a canopy, tied together with vines, and then what they do is, once they

[01:06:38] get this cover over them, they'll dig down, like a coyote or a wolf, and they'll dig down, and they'll push that dirt out the front of the den, so it's almost like sloped. And what they'll do is when they're in that den and they sleep, they lay, they sleep below the ground level. So A, you can't see them if you put a flashlight in there,

[01:07:07] and B, if it's a windy night or something like that, the wind just goes over the top of them, you know? And I crawled into one, not knowing what I was, I mean, I knew what I was crawling into, but I had no idea what I was going to find, you know? And I started crawling through this, it looked like a tunnel, okay, in the woods. I started crawling through this tunnel, and then I got to this den, this structure

[01:07:37] that was pulled together, all these bushes and trees, and they were all tied, really, really nice with these vines. And as I was looking at that, taking photographs of that, I went into the opening, I crawled up where all the dirt was, because like I said, it sloped, and never expecting, the thought never crossed my mind that they dug down once they got in there, you know? And when I went over

[01:08:07] that slope, and I looked down, and I seen a giant hole, my heart dropped, because if that thing was there, I would have never seen it until it was too late, you know what I mean? And I was like, oh, crap, Al, you're going to get yourself killed, you know, what are you doing, man? And I just backed out of it, because it had a very funky smell to it, you know? And I backed out of it, and I told the other guys

[01:08:37] who were with me what I seen, and nobody else wanted to go in there and photograph it. They were like, well, we believe you, you know, we're not going in, and I was like, okay. But, again, the Bigfoot stuff is much different, you know, and just, yeah, it was just crazy, and we found that den in the swamp. I was being pulled to the swamp, and I

[01:09:05] told Brian and Bill, I said, whatever you guys do, don't pull me anywhere else. I want to stay focused on the swamp. I've been being pulled there all winter long. I don't know why. I have to go into the swamp. So they're like, yeah, yeah, no problem, we'll go with you. Because I was going to go even if they didn't come. I was going because I was being pulled. I had to go. And we went out there, and as we were getting close,

[01:09:35] maybe a couple of hundred yards away, something started hitting me with infrasound. And I started sweating profusely, and I was overheating, and I knew what was going on. I knew something was hitting me with infrasound trying to stop me from getting to that den. I don't know if it was the Sasquatches trying to stop me from getting myself killed, or if it was the dog man trying to stop me,

[01:10:04] but something was pulling me there. And I can see the den from where I was sitting. I was pouring water over my head, and Brian's like, eat these oranges, you know? And Bill is like, we should turn around, we should turn around, we shouldn't go there. And I'm like, there's no way I'm turning around. I can literally see the swamp from where I'm sitting. I'm not turning around, you know? This is not going to stop me from getting there. And then it passed, and we went, and we started searching, searching the swamp. Didn't

[01:10:34] know what I was looking for. We were just searching. And we even went up on the high ridge, we looked down towards the swamp, didn't really notice anything. We're looking around, we didn't see anything, we didn't see anything for like an hour. And I was like, there has to be a reason why I was being pulled here. And then I heard the little voice in my head say, jump up on this big rock. And I jumped up on this

[01:11:04] huge stone. And then the voice said, move the cattails when you walk and stick. The cattails were like 15 feet high, man. I moved the cattails with my walk and stick and there's a track way going straight into the swamp. And I called Brian and Bill up and we're all moving, we're moving. And Bill's like, oh shit, I'm going in there. And he jumps off the rock and he goes to step into the swamp because he wants it. Because now we can see a den in the swamp, right?

[01:11:34] He goes to take the first step in and he sinks down to his knees and now he's stuck. We got to pull him out of the mud and he zooms in with his camera. And when he zooms in with his camera, we can see through the viewfinder of the camera, we can see a giant dog man with a wolf head looking south. You can see the silhouette of the head and it's humongous, just humongous. And right

[01:12:03] next to him is the one that I believe bluff charged us. It looked like it was a hyena type, right? And it's looking at us and it's snarling, like it's disgusted that we found its den and it wants to just come out and kill us. And to the left of that is this creature. I say it looked like the creature from the Black Lagoon,

[01:12:33] but it was probably more like a reptilian kind of thing. It's standing next to the dog man that looks like a hyena and it's holding two hands of two small, look like sasquatches in the den. And we're like, what? Now all of a sudden the veil is lifted from our eyes and we're finding arches and eggs and brens and breaks and we're finding scat on the floor and we

[01:13:02] find this thing that looks like a homemade corral, like with downed trees where somebody would run deer into it to ambush him, you know? And then we go up on the ridge, on the northwest ridge and we look down into the back of the swamp and there's a trackway coming out of the back of the swamp going right down the center of the swamp, you know? And Brian's like, oh, we got to come back with a drone, I got to fly a drone into that den and we got to get more

[01:13:32] images of this then. It was just crazy and I think that's when the big one came to my house because we found its house. But I mean, I don't know what was pulling me there, you know? And I don't know what was trying to stop me from finding it. But for the first hour we were there, three grown men who know what we're looking for didn't see anything. And then all of a sudden, as soon as we found that trackway, it was like the

[01:14:02] blinders were off. And now we're finding all kinds of shit, you know what I mean? It's just absolutely crazy. It's crazy how you can be in a location for a long period of time and not see anything, notice anything, especially when you're looking for it. And then something happens in the blink of an eye, you see everything. It's just absolutely nuts. Do you think you crossed over into their side? Like I've talked to other people before and they claim there's like maybe like a bridge that

[01:14:31] they come into ours, but sometimes we actually cross over into theirs. Maybe you couldn't see it before because it wasn't visible, but somehow you guys managed to get into their side of it. Into their realm, you think? Yeah, like a version of theirs. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. You know, I honestly don't know. I mean, I don't know what happened that day. I mean, like, you know, everybody says like, you know, I know, like when I talked to

[01:15:01] the Iroquois about the Dogmen and the Bigfoot, and they really don't like to talk about the Dogmen, but they'll talk about the Bigfoot and they'll say their walk between worlds, you know what I mean? but I don't know if we crossed over into their realm, but it just looked like a parallel realm of ours, you know what I mean? That's probable. I mean, that's as good a theory as I would guess, you know, maybe when we

[01:15:31] crossed over into their realm, even though it still looked like our woods, we couldn't see anything because we weren't locked into their energy or whatever, and then all of a sudden, boom, we found everything, and it was just, I don't know, it was just a crazy day, and I'm glad I'm glad I didn't let that witchy ultrasound stop me from going. I'm not happy they came to my house two different times. That's when

[01:16:01] I went back and I made the deal with them. I said, listen, I know where you live, you know where I live, I won't come here, you don't come to my house, and I've kept that deal. I don't go to the east side of the lake anymore or the woods, you know, I stay on the west side with the squatches, but yeah, I just don't know. I mean, maybe that's definitely a good theory that we crossed over into their realm, you know, and that's why we didn't see everything at first, you know,

[01:16:31] maybe our bodies and our minds weren't synced in until we see the trackway, and then as I said, once I seen that trackway, it was like the blinders were off, and it was that little voice in the back of my head that said, jump on the rock, and it was that little voice in the back of my head that said, move the cattails what you're walking stick, and then it was like, da-da, everything was right there. So that's kind of what I was

[01:17:00] thinking about is, maybe where they're from is basically like our, they come to our side, we can't see them, and they're still like, I don't, I don't want to call it the veil, but like, maybe there's something to their world and our world that's the same exact thing, I don't want to say like Stranger Things, but that show's popular, but there's like an upside-down which is basically the same version of our world, but we're not in that one, but maybe that's their version of the world, so

[01:17:30] like, some of the things are still the same, but it's different on their end because it's not our world, if that makes any sense. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it makes total sense to me, absolutely, I gotcha, but like I said, but when they're here, they're flesh and blood, you know what I mean, and they can be killed, the same thing with the Sasquatches, when they're here, they're flesh and blood and they can be killed, you know, but you know, I don't know if they're here all the time, I mean, I'm

[01:17:59] assuming some are here all the time because of there's so much food sources here, you know what I mean, compared to maybe where they're from, maybe when they're in their world, they're not alpha predators, there are other things that hunt them, I don't know, you know, it's a little theory and conjecture, but they're alpha predators when they're here, and I, you know, and I think the reason why both of them are here are for the food, it's just an abundance of

[01:18:29] food in this, in this realm, you know. Yeah. know, but I, at the end of the day, I wish we had answers, but I don't, your guess is as good as mine and anyone else's. Yeah, it's a old conjecture speculation, absolutely, yeah, I mean, nobody's, nobody's got rock solid evidence of any, any, of anything, you know, we have, we may have some photographs, we may have some audio and stuff

[01:18:58] like that, tracks, physical evidence like tracks, but you know, it's not like somebody is living with them and, and document and everything, you know. Right. So, I mean, it's, it's, it's amazing stuff, but like I said, you have to have the right mindset to do this stuff. my psychic always reads everybody I take out with me before I take them out, because there are times when I

[01:19:28] have to leave people behind because they have subconscious fear and that fear makes them a target for something malevolent, you know what I mean? They may be feeding off that fear and I don't want anybody to have anything attached, anything negative attached to them and bring stuff home to their family. family. So she, she reads everybody and she lets me know who can go and who can't go and sometimes it pisses people off, you know, but I was like, listen, this is just the deal.

[01:19:58] I'm not going to put you in harm's way and I'm not going to put your family in harm's way. And if you got a problem with that, then join a different team because I don't want that on my conscious. You know, I know people that have gone out and brought stuff home to their family, their children and stuff like that and called me and asked me if I know anybody who could go there and take care of the situation. And I've actually had some friends of mine who do me a

[01:20:28] favor and go to these locations and take care of this stuff for my friend, you know, and they don't even know the people, you know what I mean? They don't know my guy. My guy doesn't know them. They're doing it for me, you know, and I don't like to ask for too many favors like that, you know? Yeah. I get it. Well, I'll, we can probably wrap this one up. We've been going on for almost an hour and a half, but okay, absolutely. It's always a pleasure to talk to you. Thank you, my

[01:20:57] brother. Yeah. Would you like to let the audience know where they can find you at? Sure. And you guys could find me on Facebook. That's where most of our groups are on Facebook. I mean, Brian's got us on everything, but that's where I'm usually hanging around. If anybody's got any questions or about anything and they want to reach out to me, they can reach out to me at any of our groups on Facebook, or they could just reach out to me personally at Al San Arrigo on

[01:21:27] Messenger. And I don't have a problem reaching back out to you and talking to you about any questions or just, you know, anything in general if you're curious about something, you know. I just had a guy reach out to me from Pennsylvania, I think he was, and he wanted to go out looking for the dog man, and I was like, you know, why? Why do you want to go looking for the dog man, you know? And he was telling me all this. I said, tell me what you think you know.

[01:21:57] Just tell me what you think you know. Because there's a lot of people out there putting bad info out there, and then people are going, they're putting people in harm's way. I don't want you to go into the woods and put yourself in harm's way. Tell me what you think you know. And then when he told me, and I was like, dude, you are so far off. And I said, this is what you need to know. This is what you need. And if you still want to go out there, that's on you. But I don't go

[01:22:27] looking for these things. If they're out there, they'll find you. You know, so I think I changed his mind. He decided because they stopped talking to me after that, you know. But there's a lot of bad info out there. And I won't tell people where my locations are. I don't know where these locations are because I don't want someone going out there and getting killed. Right. Yeah. I've had people ask me the same thing about where I'm going to be out filming and stuff. I'm not telling anyone the exact

[01:22:57] locations just because I don't with me if I'm trying to do something. But at the same time, I also don't want people going out there and getting hurt. Yeah. No, you know what I mean? Nobody needs people out in the woods messing with them when they're trying to get evidence and they're trying, you know, their boots on the ground and they're trying to be legit. And we don't need people hoaxing that's when we're out there. Or God forbid, you tell them one of your locations and they go out there and they do some

[01:23:26] kind of black magic ritual. You know what I mean? And then you walk into that shit a week later. You know what I mean? You don't know what's waiting for you. I don't want that crap either. You know? Yeah. Yeah. So I know some of the areas we've went or they're on my location thing. They used to actually do satanic rituals, but someone got murdered out there a few years ago and now it's completely off limits. So I don't know how we're supposed to go there,

[01:23:56] but we'll see what happens. Might go full guerrilla style. Well, there's a will, there's a way. Absolutely. Yeah. Not always legal, but if you want to get there, you could probably get there. You know what I mean? There's always ways around stuff. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Well, Al, it's been a pleasure. The pleasure was all mine, brother. Yep. You have a great night. Thank you. Good night. If you'd like to be a guest on Tinfoil Tells, remember to send an email to tinfoiltellspodcast

[01:24:25] at gmail.com or go to tinfoiltells.com and go to the contact section. Make sure to follow me around on all the social medias. And just remember, truth comes at a cost. Are you willing to pay the price? I heard a story late last night about something lurking along the wood line. Huge footprints, strange lights in the sky. They claim it's nothing, but I

[01:24:55] know they lie. It's easier to laugh, to laugh in my face, but something about this makes me say what if it's real? What if they knew? What if the answer's coming from you? He's wasting my time hearing voices. Is it all?

[01:25:53] Or maybe a mothman flies above the buried giants, hidden beneath the lies. They say it's just stories, it's all made believe. Fairy tales for the things we can't perceive. They want to keep us blinded, they want to break our will. What if the truth could set us free?

[01:26:22] Alien signals traveling through time. Secret space programs erasing their minds. They call them crazy, but I just need some proof. What if it's true?

[01:27:08] It's demons, ghosts, then nipple them too. What if it's me?

[01:27:14] Or what if it's all in our minds?

[01:27:44] These voices can't be silenced, the truth must rise. Tenfold tell, what if it's real? What if it's true?