Ep. 180: Bigfoot in the Hoosier National Forest

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't deal with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw. The top of the muzzle nose and the eyes as soon as I made eye contact with this thing. And don't like that. I like to think this time of welcome my guests tonight. Don thanks for coming here and talking to me. Thank you, thanks for having me. Not a problem. You're another Indiana resident, I do believe, yes, sir. That is some of the compliments I've gotten from listeners. I think it's because they're from Indiana, but they like to hear the stories from people from around the States. So I keep eating compliments like we're glaud to hear people from Indiana. I like to talking to local people because I have weird stuff going here in Indiana too, so it's nice to No, it's not just me. Yeah, Indiana's got some stories. Yeah, you want to learn. I grew up just south of where you're at. So you were from Cocomo, wasn't it. Yes, Yeah, so you're only about twenty minutes from where I live, right. But now I'm up North. Right, which is funny because where I'm based out of I'm based out of up North. I'm my office. If I report to an office every day, i'd have to go to Merriville. Okay, Yeah, that's right down the road for me. Yeah. So luckily for me, I don't go there every single day. But if I had to report to my office every day, i'd be up far less. But luckily for me, I'm able to do a lot of stuff remotely. Yeah, that'd be a that'd be a track every day. I've Just a couple of years ago, I had a job that was over by Rinsler, but my office was in Rose Lawn, so that was still ninety miles one direction to where I had to report to every single day, but I at least got paid a mile's reimbursement, so it wasn't that bad. That's crazy though, Yeah, a. Couple hours of driving a day. I was listened to a lot of podcast episodes, but like, I haven't been driving too much in the last year and a half, so I haven't been up to date on a lot of stuff I used to listen to, but not about me, about you. So you want to let the audience know a little bit about yourself. So I do a lot of camping, and I filmed videos like bushcraft stuff like that, and me and my buddy we went down to Who's Your National Force, which is that southern Indiana type area, Bloomington area, and we went down there. I was filming a couple of videos and we was down there for Thanksgiving weekend. Because I work so much, it's like I can only get off, you know, for holidays. So we went down there. It was twenty twenty three Thanksgiving weekend and it was already weird, like as soon as we got there, the forest was quiet, like odd quiet. And this was our first hike, so we overpacked. It's like, oh yeah, you know, we can put it on our back, we can carry it. Because we had to hike in to our camp spot, and you know, obviously first time hiking. We're like, yeah, this is a little far and a lot of weight. So we stopped at the very first one on the trail and I start laying out the like because I have a hot tent and it was cold, so you have to lay down a tart because there's no floor the tent, lay down the tar, take off my pack, and he took twenty two. Was gonna go try find a squirrel or a rabbit and we were gonna film cooking it and all that. But uh, it was really weird because there was no small game to be seen. There's no birds now, mind you, it wasn't like cold cold. It was cold enough that you would need, you know, heat in at night, but you know, a thick coat during the day wasn't too bad. So he's out walking around. I'm like, well, I'll start setting up the camp and I lay out the tarp. He calls me on the phone. It's like, hey, come down a little way is probably by one hundred yards. He was like, there's a spot. It's already got firewood. He's like, it's got big logs we can sit on around the fire. He's like, it's it's a lot nicer. So I'm like, all right, I just left my pack up against a tree, left the tarp where it was walked down there. He was like, yeah, check it out, it's nice. Da. I was there about ten minutes. I was like, yeah, yeah, this looks great. So I was like, let me go get stuff. I'll be back. He was like, all right, well, I'm gonna go off this way and go see if I can find a squirrel. I get back to the original spot and there's a big clump of hair in the middle of my ten x twelve tarp and it wasn't for It was literally a golf ball size of what looked like human hair, like it had just been cut off of somebody's head. I was like, that's really odd, and so I took a picture of it. I might even have a video of it somewhere, but I sent you the two pictures. One that's zoomed in and one that's uh you can see my boot print and my boot is twelve inches long, so you can see how big it is. Mm hm. So I was like, Okay, that's that's weird. How how does a ball of hair because it wasn't Wendy, and I was like, how does the ball of hair just wind up in the very center of the tarp? Right? Okay? Odd? So I pack everything up and go down to the other spot. He's still out looking for a squirrel. I start setting up the tent down that way, and uh, the whole time I'm setting up the tent, I got this overwhelming feeling that I was being watch everybody knows that feeling. I'm like, but was like on ten, like you couldn't not feel it. You couldn't like just brush it off. I had a video on my YouTube channel, but I took it down because I'll explain that, but I took it down. I was just like, oh, this is weird. So like in the video you could see me stop and I'm like looking around. I'm just like trying to put her out of my head and keep on going. In mind you, it's like two in the afternoon. So it wasn't like scary. And that was the other thing. The whole time we were there. It was super like calming feeling, not scary at all, not one bit. And you know, you get in the woods and you're out there by yourself, it gets spooky sometimes and I spent a lot of time in the woods, but it was like, really calm that happened. I get the tent set up. He comes back, so there's a there's like a lake, probably about half hour walk from where we were. He's like, let's go for a let's go down to the lake. I'm like, all right, cool, through some beef jerky in backpack, a couple of headlamps, water to go off walking. And it was like soon as we got out of the campsite, it's about it. I don't know, twenty yard walk from the campsite to the main trail. So we get out on the main trail. As soon as I stepped out on the main trail, the hearing in my ride ear went out. It felt like I was and it was only in one air, and it felt like I was taken off in a plane like that suction, Like WHOA, what the hell? Some like, dude, my ear hurt. And he was like, yeah, well, we're kind of up high because there's a slight elevation when you go in that area. I'm like, we've been here for like four hours. Yeah, that's weird. So it only lasted probably about five minutes and it went away. We take off walking. We're just checking out the trail, looking at you know, the surroundings and stuff. I'm filming, just you know, jacking around a couple of guys in the woods and just talking. So and it's it's a lot of I don't know if you've ever been there, but there's a lot of ridges and valleys all through there. And uh. We get to the end of the trail and it takes a left, but you could see the water from where we were at and you had to there was no trail going down to the water, so we would have to walk all the way around to the other almost the other side of the lake. I'm like, I'm not walking. We'd already been walking for a while. Like, I'm not walking that far. I was like, let's just cut through right here and just go down. And it was like you went down probably about fifty feet and pretty good incline. Go down about fifty feet. Then there was like a plateau and then there was another little valley off to the left. We went down in that valley, which was about fifteen foot drop and then a gradual decline to the water. We get down the first set then we're going down the second set. Now mind you, it's it's fall, so there's leaves everywhere, so leaves are you know, loud when you're walking through them. And I swear I heard a female scream bloody murder three times, like back to back, and he didn't hear it. Only I heard. I'm like, did you hear that? He's like, no, it was I said. I swear I heard a woman's scream like she was being murdered. And it's still daylight. And it was real weird though, because it was like like if you took a recording and played it three times, it wasn't different at all each time. It was the same each time. So it kind of was like, what, I don't understand that. So anyways, we can continue walking down to the water. There was a couple of ultra light hikers down there and they were sitting up their camp and we're down by the water and we're just you know, checking it out. This first time we'd ever been there to the Hoosier at all. So we started talking to this guy. I'm checking out his gear because I want to get it, you know, get in some ultra light hiking because after this trip I was like, I gotta get some lighter stuff, so kind of checking out his gear and I was like, hey, did you hear something about ten minutes ago? He was like now, he said, what you hear? I said, I heard a woman scream like bloody murder and he was like really, he was like, oh, that's that's probably bigfoot. I'm like, what what do you mean and he was like, oh, yeah, bigfoot all around here. I'm like, nah, whatever, he was like, I swear, dude. He was like, over at the horse camp right over there, right on the other side of this ridge, they're having a big foot hunt this weekend. I'm like, are you serious? Because we were going to stop at that horse camp and camp there, but it was full. There was like tons of cars, so we kept on going around to the next ridge. I'm like, that's why all those people were there, and uh, it was I don't know, and just kind of threw me off that he said that. And then so we hang out there for a little bit and then starts to get dusk. So I'm like, hey, you know, let's let's go back to camp where it gets too dark. So we climbed back up this big ass hill and Uh. By the time we got up to the top of the hill and back into the woods, it was it was dark, and uh, it was really weird because usually when I'm in the woods and it's dark out, I throw my headlamp on. But neither one of us wanted to use headlamps for some reason, and I just thought that was weird. We're in a place where we've never been before. It's a thirty minute hike, and we were both like, yeah, we don't need headlamps, and it's dark, and if you went down on this hill, you know, it would probably be about a seventy foot roll, you know, pretty pretty steep too, so that was odd. I didn't understand why neither one of us wear headlamps, but it was just this calming like everything's okay, it's safe. It was it's just weird. And then we got back to camp started cooking up dinner, and for some reason, we both are like whispering the whole time. I don't know why. There's nobody around us, you know, and we're in as big as woods, but we're we feel like we have to be quiet for some reason. And we've talked about this after and neither one of us know why, but we just felt like we needed to be quiet, and uh, the coyotes started up. The owl started up, so we had several howls going, whole pack coyote going, and uh, it just sounded weird. And uh that was That was pretty much everything that that time, other than it felt like you were in a vacuum and just super calmy. Like I don't know how to explain it. It just felt really good to be there. It was weird. And then, uh, so that was everything for that trip. We went back about January, so that was November, end of November. We went back January. At the end of January or the beginning of February, that's when the weather broke again. Because after that trip, we just really both wanted to go back. It was just so calming and so nice. And the next time we went, it didn't feel like that there. It wasn't. It just had a different feel completely, and we both noticed it, like, what the hell, you know, this seems weird. So but we went back to the same campsite the first night across from where our camp was, like I said, it was probably about twenty yards and then the main trail and then like a seventy foot valley and I seen on the other side of the valley, probably about three quarters way down from the top three lights, and it I'm like, what is that. He's like, Oh, those are those are just campers with headlamps on. Like so I'm sitting there watching them, and I'm like, are you sure because they weren't moving like somebody with head lamps, you know, somebody with the head lamp and they turned their head, you know what I'm saying. You can see the light change going in between trees and out, you know, and they it seemed like they never did that. They never went in between trees and like that. They were just moving like just very odd and at first I thought it probably was campers because they all stayed at the same height, but they didn't move like it like if somebody was to turn their head and look at something, it would light up whatever it was there. And it wasn't doing that like you would see like trees light up if it was a headlamp. But he didn't. It was just like a whitish blue bowl. And there was three of them and they kept moving like I don't know. I watched them for probably about twenty minutes and just stop watching them because I'm like, I don't know what it is. And that same night, probably about I don't know, probably a couple hours later, got darker. It's probably about eleven o'clock at night, maybe midnight something like that. It literally sounded like somebody was walking into a camp just outside the light of the fire and you could hear it. And I have a fourteen thousand on him and flashlight. I kick it on. There's nothing there, so I'm like, maybe it's squirrel. I don't know, but it literally sounded like footsteps just outside the firelight. That was odd. Then that was all that happened that night. And the next morning I'm laying there just starting to wake up, and I felt three big thuds on the ground, like what is that? I think he was still sleeping, but you can fill it because we slept on the ground, which is matts, and I don't know what that was. I was inside the tent, didn't see anything, didn't really hear it. It was more of a feel than it was like an audible But and we're like it started snowing while we was sleeping, so like, you know, you want to take off it was like, yeah, take off. So it was just kind of waking up. I think we was making coffee or something inside the tent because I got a stove. So we're making coffee in the tent. And it's probably about probably about ten minute drive from the from the trailhead where we were at, where the cars were, where mike jeep was parked, it was probably about a nine minute drive to the main road, which was a fairly big highway, not big highway, but it was like a two lane like uh, interstate maybe, And it was right on a curve. And so we're sitting there drinking coffee and I hear what I think it sounded like a tractor trailer tipping over. It was loud. I'm like, that had to be a wreck on a highway, and that was all we heard. We just heard a big loud sounded like metal boom. And so we get up and we start getting ready, you know, start packing up. Took us probably about an hour, maybe an hour and a half to pack everything up, walk to the jeep, throw everything in a jeep, take off. We get out to the road. I'm like, I'm expecting to see debris everywhere. I'm expecting to see cops. It was that loud and there was nothing. I'm like, what did we hear? It was very weird and that was that trip. That was the only weird things on that trip. Did you have to look around to see if there was train tracks anywhere close by? No, I had it, but I could probably google it on Google Maps and look and see if there was anything around there. I never even thought about that, but that's a good idea. The train tracks aren't too far from here, and every once in a while we can hear the trains. But I used to live in town right by the train station where they'd stop and you'd literally swear someone who's got a huge accident. It was just the cars from them stopping, slamming, and. It always sounds like a huge accident in each other. Yeah, it'd always sound like huge accents happening when they're hooking up or something. So anytime someone says they hear like a metallic like bang, like a crash or something, that's the first thing I think of. Was like about ten years ago, when I used to live in town, I used to hear that quite a bit because the depot was behind me. I don't know the exact location. It's interesting to me because that area does have lots of reports of bigfoot stuff. That's actually where I just was back in September for the first annual Bigfoot conference they had in Indiana. Yeah, I looked all this up after. I was like, holy cow, even the ridge that we were on, there's some BFR or whatever reports of the same ridge that we were on. Yeah, there's. I'm not seeing any tricks. Yeah, it might not be anything there, especially in the wooded area, it's hard for the sound to travel. Not. The only thing I was thinking of is if it's because it's still somewhat in the winter time, you don't have all the leaves, so you'd have more of a sound. You'd be able to hear it more because there's more opening, because we can hear We can hear the tracks more from where I live now, because in the winter time, in the summertime, you don't really hear. But every night I can hear a train whistle. That's the train and the tracks are a good three or four miles from here, but it doesn't sound like it's that far away, just because there's nothing stopping, like all the leaves and stuff are off on the trees. I didn't want to derail the conversation or anything with That's one of them I would forget about if I didn't ask. Now, I'm not seeing anything. I'm looking right now and there, okay. I mean we were in the middle of the National Force. I don't think they would have tracks running through there. But uh so, yeah, that was. It was really weird. I thought for sure we were going to see this huge wreck on the road when we pulled out, but there is nothing. Then the next incident that we had was I don't remember when. I think it is it following spring, No, it had been the following fall. I don't know what year did you say this was? It was twenty three, okay, so just a little over a year ago. Yeah. My buddy, he's part of a hunting club up here in this area and he has a key to the spot. So during the winter or when you know it's not in season to be there, like, you know, during summertime, people go out during camp. You know, it's a big area that they got. There's two ponds, fish ponds, and that's right off the kane Kee River, So a lot of people hang out there when it's warm. Out, not too many when it's cold. So we went out there. We're going to do some hot tent camping and it was flooded. So when it's floods out there because kink Key overflows, there's only a few like narrow not real narrow, but you know, probably about forty yards wide sections that connects everything. And then the rest of the land is just flooded. And we're out there, we get camp set up. That's the one with the pen that I dropped, and it's got a bunch of little red dots. So closest to the river is the first drop, not the pin, but the first little red dot. It was probably about eleven o'clock at night. We had a few beers just hanging out and we hear what sounds like somebody throwing a softball sized rock into the water, Like, what the hell was that? You know, it's cold out there, right The only thing that would be out would be beaver, you know what I mean. Maybe you know muskrats, beavers, you know stuff like that. But it wasn't a splash. It wasn't like a branch falling off a tree. I mean, I guess a branch could if it was like small butt stick and fell just right it would because it went kurt plunk, like had something heavy and dense going into water. Everybody knows what that sound is, right, So it did that, and I'm like, what the hell would that be? And uh, He's like, I don't know, probably a tree, tree branch or something. I'm like, eh, maybe. And then maybe ten minutes later is this next drop? It does it again, ker plunk. I'm like, my first thought because there is some houses out there, but mind you, it's cold out, it's probably thirty degrees. It's flooded, like, there's no lights. You would see somebody with a flashlight. They're not going to wade through, you know, five foot of water to come out and prank a couple of guys and uh and the whole place is fenced in too, and we had the gatelocked so nobody was coming in. And uh, so it did it again. I look at him like, are you sure it's tree branches? And he's like, I don't know. Then it did it again, further south, did it again, further south, did it again, further south, and it just kept doing it all the like in a half shaped moon from our on our the east side and that whole area is flooded completely. It was just really crazy. It was kind of scary, to be honest. And it did that, and that was the only thing that happened, So, you know, I asked a few people. I'm like, what would make that noise? What would do that? The closest thing I got was when I talked to my dad. I was like, what, what could what could that be? He's like, well, maybe you said it was flooded, maybe the bank was falling away. I'm like, that's the best thing I've heard so far. But it's all gradual author there's no steep banks out there, so I don't know. It was just weird. And the funny thing is we went out there several times after this time and we heard it, but it was always in the same spot. It was always about where the second red dot is from the river, and it happened once or twice every time we went out there, and that was it, and it stayed in that same spot, which was really weird. I'm trying to think of what could be a natural explanation, but I can't think of anything. I can't either, And it was the same sound each time, KerPlunk, like something like, I literally because around the pond they have the big white shirt, you know, the big ones. The next day I went out there. I'm like, I'm like, hey, listen, and I picked it up and I threw it up as high as I could, which ain't too high. I mean, it's softball sized chirt and it went into the water and he was like, that's what it freaking sounds like. I'm like, yeah, so what animal is making that noise? Right? He's like, I don't know, but it did it every time we went out there after that. That was the first time, and then it did it like three more three more times, and then the last time it did it, we was out there. I had just set my tent up, it had just gotten dark, and I had a couple of beers in me and it did it again, and I I have more than a few beers because I've really don't even remember this until he mentioned it. The next morning we're walking around, I think we walked out to the river. I was like, hey, guess what it was like, what didn't happen? He was like, what do you mean, Like that noise didn't happen with the noise in the water, it didn't happen this time. He was like, yeah, it did. You don't remember. I'm like, oh, he was like, you freaking snapped off and was like, I'm fucking out here having a good time. I don't need this shit tonight. And he said it didn't happen for the rest of the night, so which I kind of remember saying it. But yeah, but that was the last time that happened. And so those are I want to say Bigfoot, but I don't know because I didn't see anything, but all the you know, you hear all the stories and all that stuff lines up with the stories that people tell, so I don't know. Before I started the show, I have a buddy and he goes fishing a lot, and he fishes out in this Cinamon area, h and he told me about and I don't know if he was on like his little it's not a canoe, but it's like a kayak or whatever. So I don't know if he's in that or if he's on the bank. But he talked about rocks being thrown at them. Now you can't rule out people doing it, right, and they weren't like small pebbles, they were enough to make a PLoP in the water like where you're describing. So, but they never saw where they were coming from. But where they were coming from, they were coming with a lot of force to hit the water to make a boop like a splash in the water. They weren't fish jumping, they were something going into the water. But every time they'd look around, it was coming from the bank. But there was nothing at the bank. So I believe he was actually on his boat or whatever, in his canoe or something when the things were being thrown at him from the bank. Game Could kids or people be out in the trees doing it? Sure? Why do you want to be an asshole? I don't know. But or it could be something else. Yeah, I don't know. I'm pretty stumped on the whole situation, but I have my theories. Were you ever into interested in Bigfoot before this kind of what got you into the whole phenomena of it? Because of what happened now? I've always been interested in it, but I was always like, you know, I don't know, maybe maybe not. Somebody would have found you know, something by now. But even since I was a kid, though it intrigued me, didn't really start researching it too much until after this, Like I'd listened to a few podcasts here and there, but after this event, like it literally took over bad, Like I started trying to listen to everything I could listen to. It was really weird. What does your buddy think about it? He's kind of because I started sending him, you know, podcast listen to this one, listen to this one, listen to this one, and he was like, yeah, it all sounds like the same shit. So yeah, there's a lot of very close similarities between people's descriptions of what they hear and what they experience. So it puts things in a perspective of either people are experiencing similar things, or people are hearing someone else saying it and they're copying. And what someone else is saying, what is that? What is the point of someone going out, let's just say, you're one making this up? What is the point? I have no idea. That's why I believe when I hear these stories, I'm like, well, I'm not going to get rich office, so what you know. And I've talked to family members and I've talked to people at work. I'm not the one to shy away like I don't care what you think so. But I've had you know, my family, my dad, and you know, they're like, what, yeah, crazy whatever, don't believe me. I don't care. That's it happened. That's exactly how it typically falls on people to talk about this stuff too, is unless someone else is there to experience it. A lot of times you say you had this experience, people are going. To be like, okay, but like I had somebody with me, right, so. You plan on going back for more, like you plan there to try and I know that I know they have a lot of stuff that goes on down there, at least from what I've been told. When I was at the Bigfoot, a lot of people were there. I was actually surprised about how many people actually came out to it, and I talked to quite a few people, but I've only had one lady actually do an interview that I met from there. But a lot of people stop buying talking to me about the weird stuff that happens, and they live in that area. I wish that they would reach out to me because there's a lot of stuff that I was told I'd love to talk to them about again. The notion of people always making this stuff up because they want attention or it's why you're you're not going to get rich. You're going to get ridiculed about it, You're going to get made fun of about it. People are going to say you're crazy, like that's all that you're really going to get from stuff like this. And I know when by saying that it makes people not want to even come forward about it. But that's the stigma that needs to be addressed. Is people experience something. They're not all crazy, they're not all wanting to take and something's really going on, but Joe Public just wants to write it off as people are crazy or wanted attention. Yeah, and I've spent a lot of time in the woods, like even as a kid, and never had anything weird like that happen. It's this is where I struggle sometimes. I've talked to other people before I ever did this show, kind of like you an outdoorsman, and they don't have experiences and they're completely shut off to the idea of stuff like this because they've never experienced it. But because they didn't experience it themselves doesn't mean that other people aren't experiencing something. But there's no open mindedness to it. It's literally I've been in the woods. I've never seen it. There's nothing out there, but you've never been everywhere at once. Right, And I was like that too. When I first started my channel, I was doing solo completely. I haven't done I've done one solo since. I'm a little nervous about doing solos now. But my buddy, which is he has a farm probably about about fifteen minutes south of the hunting camp, and he allows me to go out there on his land because he's got quite a bit of land and he's got a nice set of woods out there. And I went out there and i'd camp out there all the time. But I had a couple of things that I didn't really think of, Like I didn't think nothing of them until this happened. I'm like, I wonder if that had something to do with it too, because fifteen minutes drive from where I experienced the rocks being thrown, and I don't know, I don't know they had anything to do with it. But the first incident there on that land was I did a overnight hammock camp and just went into his woods and set up hammock. So his land is like I guess you'd say it is a country mile. You know, he has the corner and he's got most of it is farmland that he leases out, but and there's a section of woods and he's clear at the other end his house is. So I'm out here in the woods. The only house out there as an abandoned house that was across the street, which is kind of creepy looking. I kind of want to go check it out, but so it's it just got dark. I was filming. I was making some rum and got my rum and all made sitting there in my hammock eating and I thought a deer walked up on me. Hm, it's what I was thinking. I didn't see it. I used my bright ass flashlight and I could see almost to the edge of the woods on all sides except for the east and west because that it's kind of narrow and long the set of woods. But I could see the north and south edges of the woods, and it sounded like it was to the north of me and there was nothing there, but it sounded like a big ass buck, That's what I was thinking. So I'm like, it's got to be a deer. And then so I lay down in the hammock try to go to sleep, and I'm just laying there and I got this overwhelming fear. So I'm like, I don't know why I'm freaking out right now. I had to pretty much faked the video. I got up, walked all the way to my jeem and slept at my jee mm hmm. I don't I don't know what it was. I don't know why I felt like that, but I was terrified. I've been to my people before that they're out in the woods all the time. Again, it's just conversation, not stuff that's been recorded or anything, but they've been out in the woods and they completely get overwhelmed by a fear of something. They can't explain why. They didn't see anything, nothing even happened, but literally, they just became so overwhelmed by fear that they left because they just felt like they were not supposed to be in there for whatever reason. That's what I felt like. It's like, I got to get out of here. And I've slept in that woods several times. Only one time after that, because he does have a little spot down by the creek that is set up for camping. But I wanted to do the video in the woods, you know what I mean. So the other thing that happened there, it could have been nothing. It was wintertime, the creek was flowing, but there was still spot pockets of ice. I was eating breakfast. I just made breakfast, and to me, what I thought it was was a large shelf of ice breaking off. You can it literally sounded like a like a big deer jumped into the creek and broke the ice. Now I could see the creek from the campsite, and I seen big chunks of ice float down, because it would be to my east and it flows east to west, and I saw big chunks of ice float down. After that, it was loud. I was like, had to have been a deer or maybe just the ice warmed up and broke off, but it was loud. That's the only two things that's happened there. Could have been. Nothing, But it's hard to ever know for sure. They're like, it's without seeing something, right, but then you add up all the other things that go along with it, Then you're like, is it actually something else going on? As a natural Like, it's hard to ever come to terms with things. And honestly, if even if you've seen something sometimes it's hard to come to terms with that too. Yeah, I'm I'm kind of up in the air about seeing something like I don't I want to, but I don't know if I want to. Hopefully, if I do, it's at a distance. But like down in the Hoosier, we went to the same spot twice. The first time was overwhelmingly calm and felt great. The second time, same spot, it was creepy. I don't understand that, and I don't know. It goes back to the feeling of not right. It's something environmental that changes the whole dynamics. Now the thing that I've noticed and ask you here in a second, But like when you felt like you couldn't be in there was there any noise at all. There was a dead silence. I don't remember. I just know that while I was eating it sounded like the deer came in, But I never saw the deer, So that was the only noise that I remember. It could have been quiet. It wasn't something that stuck out to me. But the first time we went and it was super calming. At the Hoosier, it was like you were in a vacuum. Like I don't know how to explain it. But the noise, it was so quiet, even though it wasn't terrifying or scary, it was like you could watch somebody walk away through the leaves. You know how loud the leaves are. Role, Yeah, and it was like once they got a certain distance that it just the sound just stopped. It was real weird. So I'm not much of an outdoorsman in the sense of camping and stuff. I camped here and there, but usually when we're camping, this was about twenty something years ago, we used to camp along the river because we're out doing dumb drinking and other stuff. Like we weren't doing a just to go out there to do it, Like we went out there to camp to have a party. Right. But I go through the woods, and I haven't done it for a while, but I disc off a lot or used to, and a lot of those trails were around wooded areas and stuff. So we go through there and out by the dam there are there's a course out there and you go through the wooded parts. But again it's opened up, it's maintained or whatever, and I've seen stuff out there that I don't ever relate it to anything bigfoot, but then then when you start hearing stuff from people, then you're like, well, there's a person do this or not. Because I've seen like where the trees make to like the exes yea, And I never thought anything about that. I've been out I've been doing this for twenty something years and I've seen that shit all the time, and I don't think anything about it. Well, that was the other thing out there, my buddy's property right on the trail, two big trees like this you had to duck under it. I have it that like I have a card that has my YouTube channel and everything on it that I have me walking up to that. I didn't think nothing of it. I didn't know nothing about that, right, but I took a picture of it because I was like, oh, this looks cool. It's like a giant X and these are big trees. They were probably you know, about ten around. Now. I don't try and say that that's bigfoot doing that. But I also don't know what would have done it besides a person. And if a person did it, what was the point. Because I've seen some really big things, and I've also seen where they've been broken, like the trees rotted and it broken it fell over, so I'm not going to say that it's not a natural thing. But then I've also seen things where trees are completely bent over and it looked really weird, and my friends like it was probably from like snow, like heavy wet snow bent it over and it just never came back. It's like, why wouldn't have snapped off at this point though, Right, So, I've seen weird stuff here and there, but I never once ever related it to like Bigfoot, not until like the last years upon years of listening to stuff, Like in the last five years, I started listening to podcasts and I started learning more about Bigfoot stuff like I watched Finding Bigfoot and stuff about it, But it was never anything that I thought was around here, like the idea of Bigfoot. I was like, well, Pacific Northwest or down in Florida or whatever, Texas. Yet you don't think about Bigfoot here in your own backyard half the time. That's how I felt, you know, my whole life until twenty twenty three, right, it's like, oh, it's not here. I remember there was an episode of Finding Bigfoot and they were down I think in Bloomington area. Now I actually had someone reach out to me back in the spring, I think it was. It's been almost a year, and they were asking me questions about these things coming up on their property. I don't like, I didn't do an interview with a person or whatever. Like they were asking how to keep them away. I was like, I don't even know if they even exist, Like I've never seen one, so I don't have any idea how to keep something away. But I recommended getting like lights like big spotlights or whatever, like on motion sensored for some reason. That seemed to be one of the things that keeps things away. But and that was down around it was a lake. I fegear what lake it was, but it's down around Brown County, which I think is where the Who's your National Force is at around Bloomington. I think that's what it was. You know, I was gonna call it Monrovia, but. It's like that walked to Okay. Yeah, this guy, this guy supposedly just moved into this house and it had been abandoned for several years, and when they moved in, it upset whatever was apparently living around that area because they weren't used to people being there after so many years. At least that's what I was told. Again, I don't I can't verify anything that people tell me. It's just why why would someone make it up? Like what's the point? Yeah, I don't get it either, But especially if you're not even going to come on an episode, what's the point of randomly getting hold of me? And like, man, what can I do to keep these things away? Well? Well, I actually ordered a few cheap trail cams to start taking with me, just to point at my tent, just for a little more security if you. Do a lot of looking into things for some reason. And I don't know how everyone knows this, but they claim that Sasquatch knows there's cameras there, they know what a camera is, and they won't go near it. I was like, how do they know? Well, I heard they can see a spectrum of light that we can't, which is I are right? Which maybe? I mean you can see where you know. I watch a lot of trapping YouTube and the trail cams you can see since the trail cam kicks on, the coyote or whatever will look at the camera and take off running. So if they can see it, you know, what's to say something else can? Yeah, because we only see what we can see with our eyes. Animals see differently than us if it's a flesh and blood animal, Like, there's all different spectrums of the colors, and if you get a full spectrum camera, you see things that you normally wouldn't see with our naked eye. So who's to say that something can't see the eye r light? Whos to say they can't see the light that shines from it or the little Some of these cameras are like a little infrared sensor on them, so we don't see it, but I think it shines like that little red light on it every once in a while. Yeah, so it makes sense to me that they could see that. But I just this is me being not trying to be like argumentative of people. But I don't like when people tell you things is a fact, right, like this is what happened that they know this they did? How do you know that? Right? Like? Has there been a body who is this bigfoot? Tell you that I can see that. I don't like when people come out and tell me things like, well this is how it is. Okay, Well where's your proof, right? I mean, the other thing that makes me think that it's possible. Is I don't know if you ever heard about the the night vision goggles that they had Vietnam. Yeah, we've I mentioned that at a time or two someone else talked about where they could see the things flying around that. Uh, yeah, that's crazy. That's a story that I've always thought was interesting and I wish I know it's impossible at this point, but I wish I could have talked to someone that was experienced that. Right, But it's like everything else, like where did the story come from? Like is it a truth? Is I'm just an urban legend? Like, well, it was enough to the government to change the night vision very quickly. They got it changed in like six months. Yeah, they stopped doing red to green. Yeah, so obviously there was enough enough people having issues with it for them to say, yep, we got to stop this. Which makes me want to know like what they used back then, because now I want to get a pair to go outside and look around. But then I'm gonna freak the shit out of myself, Right, I don't like to flying around. They say that it's there's something that's in the glass that's bad for you, But I don't know, but I have looked it up. I can't remember the name of it. You can ah supposed to be able to still get glasses that have that lens in it, but. I don't know. Yeah, you have to find out what it starts with a D, the chemical that I think it starts with a D. I don't trust things anymore to where they claim they're going to do something. Who's to say it really is true. You spend all this money getting something and you don't see anything. They're like, oh, there's nothing there, or you just bought spend money on something that's bullshit. Look up. I think they might also be called aura glasses to suppose, but you could see people's uras with them. They're in like the hipbe. Yeah, so. I think that's the same thing if you could find them for cheat try. Do you have any opinions on what you think Bigfoot actually is? No, I have no idea. That's exactly the answer that I would tell people like I know some diehard flesh and blood people, and I know some people go down the whole rabbit hole loose sight of it, of there being some sort of a weird ether roll supernatural type thing, and some people think they're aliens. I'm like, I just want to know. I just want to see something, and I'm. On the I'm on the If I had to say something, I would say, it's all of it. It would be I know, like with if it's not flesh and blood, why does it leave footprints? Okay exactly, but where do the footprints go? And then half the time I always thought it was strange only fall like one or one footprint. Well, there's only got one foot. I call it bigfoot because he just has one big foot. But and then you find other people to talk about how like the lady that i'd interviewed, she's actually from up north, kind not too far from you. She says she has big fie on her property. But to her they are her spirit guides. They are from a different plane of existence to where they come in there and they guide her and everything else. I'm like, I don't know about all that, but this is what she says happens to her. And who am I to say one way or the other that's really or not really. So there's a lot of things that come to this world that to me it sounds as an outsider looking in. If I was just a normal person not knowing anything about any of this stuff. I hear some of the things that people talk about, like these people are bashit crazy. So I understand why there's this stigma when people listen to stuff and they're like they've never had an experience. But since I've actually had something happen to me that I can't explain away, I'm more relatable to people that talk about this stuff because at this point, I'm like, hell, it all could be true. I don't know. Yeah, I seen a ghost when I was about thirteen, and that kind of freaked me out. But it wasn't like, oh, it was like you could tell what it was. It was a flash of white real fast. Two people were standing in the doorway between the kitchen and living room. They both felt forward for no reason, and I seen it went around the corner, and that was kind of trippy. The only thing, the only thing that I've ever seen, and I don't know what it would have been. It's like those weird I've seen a little shadow thing run down my hallway And this was just this past year, but. I believe I lived in a haunted house in Kocoma on Taylor Street. It was an old Victorian house over there in the Victorian area with all the Victorian houses, and I lived there for two or three years. The upstairs was completely remodeled, the downstairs was all old fashioned, beautiful place. I had a let's see, I had an incident and I asked the guy across the street. I'm like, hey, you know, I was talking to him. I was like, man, I had something weird happen over there. He was like, that place is haunted. I'm like, and I'd already been living here, like six seven months at this point, and I'm like, what do you mean it's haunted. He's like, you didn't hear she didn't tell you. The lady I rented from, she didn't tell you. I'm like no. He was like, go to the front door right now. Because I'm at his house. He says, go to the front door and look at your front door, his front door. I'm looking out there, and I'm like, what am I looking for? He was like, you don't see it. I'm like, now, he said, look at the top of your door and look at the black marks. So I'm looking at it. I'm like, oh, I see it. What the hell is that? And he was like, that's where the smoke was rolling out he's like, you ever wonder why your hole upstairs is remodeled and the bottom isn't, Like didn't really think of it. And he's like, there was like a seven or eight year old kid up in his bedroom playing with matches and caught the hole upstairs on fire. And I guess the kid died from smoke in elation. And that was about four or five years before I moved in there. And I think the reason that I brought it up to him was I came home from work and I was dog tired. I'm sitting there watching TV. I smoke cigarettes at the time, and I start knodding off of a cigarette and I, shit you not, something went right on the top of my head. I could have swore somebody was standing there. Now at the time, I had a roommate living with me, but from where I was sitting in the living room, I could see all the way to the stairs, and I could see all the way to the back of the house. If somebody would have done that, I would have caught them with my eyes before they hit the stairs or before they hit the back of the house. I go running upstairs. He's asleep in a room. He's sitting in a recliner sleeping. I started freaking out. I'm like, what the hell was that? And then that's when I talked to the guy across the street next day. He was like, yeah, house call. It's probably something saying, hey, you're about to burn the house down because I fell asleep with cigarette land. Yeah, that is that is definitely something that I would relate to if if that is a thing and that kid actually died there, I could see something to where it would warn you for the whole instance. Again, but you said this was on. Taylor, Yeah, West Taylor. This is actually I believe it's on East Boulevard. But I have an episode called The Boulevard Hell House and it's about in Cocoma. The girl that I had interviewed one of my friends. She used to live there and she swore it was like a demon house. So it's not too far from there. But the other thing that happened there is sitting in the living room, and supposedly there used to be I don't know how true it is. They used to have a funerals in the house. They had these big pocket doors that blocked off the dining room from the living room, and I'm sitting on the couch watching TV, and out of the corner of my eye, I could see into the dining room. All the lights were off. I think I might have had like a little nightlight on in the kitchen, but I saw what I thought was a cat run from the kitchen around the corner into the dining room. So I'm like, is there a freaking cat in my house? And I didn't have any pets at the time. I jump up and I'm looking and there's nothing in there, Like, that's weird, it's real weird. And then I think it was probably about a half hour later. I'm sitting there watching TV and from the dining room I could see smoke rolling from the dining room into the living room through you know, under the doorway, but it disappeared as soon as it came into the light of the living room. Yeah, it was weird. It was like black smoke. And supposedly my mom had something happened to her there. She came down from Detroit to stay with me for a few weeks. She was in she was in the walk in closet, messing around with some of her stuff, like going through just getting closed or something out so she could take a shower or whatever. And she thought my daughter was there because she felt three little fingers poker and like her hip and butt area, so she thought it was my daughter. She turned around. There was nothing there, So that's scared to shit over. And you said three, two or three? I don't know, but yeah, I mean, she said it felt like a little tiny hand poking her. If she specifically said three, then that makes me kind of have other ideas. But right, the number three is very uh. Significant significant, and a lot of paranormal stuff. Yeah, A lot of people get three scratches, they get three like fingerprints, they get three this and that, and then everyone thinks it's demonic. Right. She said that she uh, she walked down the stairs and it was a flight of stairs, a little small landing and it turns back and goes down into the I guess you'd call it the fourer area, mm hmm. And the place is huge, like the foyer was like the size of my living room right now. And she said she came down to the last little set of stairs and she looked across the room into the living room, and she said that she's seen it was a ball like the size of a softball going across the curtains. She said. I said, well, what it looked like? She said, it looked like a mirage. I'm like, what do you mean? She said, you know when you're driving and you see the heat coming off of the asphalt in the summertime. She said, that's what it looked like, in a perfect circle moving across the curtains. That's crazy. I've heard. And this is completely off topic, but on topic, I've heard people talk about seeing these beans and a lot of people were fur them is like cloaked like the predator. Yeah, I've never heard anyone refer to it as like a ball, but I've heard someone else refer to this. It didn't look like they said, it didn't look like the predator, but it looked like when you see like the heat rising off the ground. So you're the second person that's mentioned this. But again they were saying it was like a figure. I've never heard anyone refer to it as a ball. But the description, the description matches up. Yeah, the description, though, matches up to what other people said they've seen. Right, Yeah, I've heard that too. People say, oh Bigfoot does that. I don't know how true it is. But I've heard it several. Times if Bigfoot is slesh and blood, like I know a lot of people believe. I don't know of anything flesh and blood that goes cloaking other than Bigfoot works for the military in a secret operation and he's got all the technology that we don't have. I don't know, right, I mean, there are you know, like biological things in our world that does change colors. The chameleons, octopus. Yeah, so I mean what if it's you know, something as far as like a frequency or vibration thing. If they can change their vibration, maybe they could do something like that. I don't know that's going on the WU side there, buddy, it. Is, But like I said, I think it's all of it. Yeah, I think they're aliens and WU and flesh and blood all in Wane. I think if they are. And again I know I'm not a purist or here because I don't know anything, but right neither for me, I think that they are just how long you said, they could be anything, But I feel like there's way too much stuff to just to say they're flesh and blood. But I'm friends with someone that's a diehard flesh and blood person. So it's like and he under he's explained how the wou thing came about. So it's like, I don't know, there's just too many weird stories, but there's I interviewed someone a while back, and it makes sense to me. He said that if we took Bigfoot out of the forest and we left it in a house and talked about all the experience that people have with Bigfoot, but it's in a house, we would say the house is haunted, there's Poultergeist activity, But because Bigfoot's out in the woods, we don't say that. So he's basically like a forest poultergeist. Hey, I'm right there with it, because that's kind of I'm like, I don't know what it is, but I was having weird things happen in the woods. Pulvergeist. Sure, I'm with it. Whatever. I honestly believe that that is probably one of the more accurate descriptions that I've ever had anyone explain that makes more sense now. Again, I used to be Bigfoot was just a hairy man out in the woods. I used to think it was like a Neanderthal descended or something that evolved in the Bigfoot, But nowadays, like Eileen that you know what, it's probably some sort of supernatural being. And maybe it is, and maybe you know, this supernatural being can make you see something, and it can make you see whatever it wants to make you see. Now you sound like me, so I said, now you kind of sound like me for anyone that follows along with these episodes. I just interviewed someone a couple of nights ago, and right before we ended the episode, I said, because we talked about Bigfoot, I said, what if all the stuff is connected? I was like, what if the things that we are seeing, we all see them because this is what that's what is projected to us to see. It wants us to see something like so every time someone has an experience, you saw Bigfoot, I see a dog man, this person sees something else. What if it's whatever these things are and they're projecting that to us. And then when I talked about this to my friend, he said, oh, so it's projecting something, but at least footprints. I was like, Okay, well I can't really explain. That, but like, but if it's physical enough to knock something off of a shelf, why couldn't it leave a footprint right, because I the only other paranormal thing I've had happen since I've moved up to the Northwest was here in this house. I had a ten that it was a I think a knife came in probably about yeah, that big sitting on my dresser, been sitting there for two years and it just went flying off the dresser for no reason, Like what the hell was that? You literally see the dust string. I don't know why that went flying off the dresser, right, but it were off the dresser flat like this and landed on the floor. Scared shit out of me because I was just chilling in my room. So I'm pretty sure the house that I live in now is not super old, and I don't want to bore the audience. I've talked about it before and it's been on other episodes, but there's definitely something weird and just weird things happen. I don't know how to describe it other than it's just very weird. It started as soon as we moved in. Things got worse, things got better, things got worse. We've been quiet for a while, so we'll just see what happens. Like I said, we don't talk about it, and this is someone claims it's not a good idea. I was like, but we don't talk about it because I don't want to give it power. Exactly. If there is something here, it can fuck right off. I'm not giving it if I don't want to talk about it. So that's just how I roll these days when it comes with this type of stuff. Yeah, start looking at something and it might start looking back. That is the warning I was told when I started this podcast, and I was like, okay, And then now I actually wi warned people when they tell me they want to start a podcast. I'm like, hey, I'm just want to let you know that I was given this warning by a random person on the internet. I didn't take much to it, but I was like, now I actually believe it. I was like, so when you start to look into weird things, sometimes the weird things look back at you. Yeah, and I think I'm on the I'm in the camp that whatever's going on in this world right now, it's making it easier for these things two do whatever they're doing, or. These things are what's an influence in the world to be the way they are because they need us to be at that low vibrational frequency to feed on. Us could be. I mean, yeah, I had this conversation this morning with a buddy, and I won't it's a personal thing with him. I won't bring up his personal business of what was going on with him. But I told him, I said, what happens if the people that we think have something wrong with them say that there's god, psychosis or schizophrenia to hear voices in their heads. I was like, what happens if the voices in these people's heads aren't from their own mind? It's like, I'm not saying that's all this way. I was like, but what happens if those voices are actually something real, putting those voices in those people's heads to do the screwed up stuff that they end up doing. The voices told me to go into the house and murder my old family. Well what if that voice in their head was real? But it wasn't just psychosis, it was schizophrenia, Like it was actually something put in his head telling him to do these bad things, and he went and did it. Yeah, because that's what these things feed on it. He went hundred present agreed, but he went the demon route with it, and I was like, I'm not saying demons. I'm not saying angels. I'm not saying anything as I'm just saying, what if there's something out there that is just straight up what we refer to as demons that have this ability? Yeah, I mean how it could even be. I mean, you hear the I remember what they call it, but like the savannah or Savannah with. Syndrome, Havana syndrome. Yeah, yeah, Well if it's something like that. I have people that have reached out to me from all sorts of places in the world, all different topics or whatever. And the one thing that I can say is I believe the people are experiencing something and I honestly have no idea what it is. Like. I can't tell someone that was a demon. I can't tell someone that the voices in their head that you're a schizophrenic person. I can't because people say they hear all these like they claim they're targeted individuals, so they hear these things. Well, I don't experience that, so I can't relate to it. But when an average person hears stuff like this, they're like, well, this person's just talking about schizophrenia. I get shit on a lot by people for letting them be on here saying I'm taking advantage of people with middle issues. Well, that's what I was telling my friend. I was like, what if the people that experience this aren't really quote unquote mental issues, Like what if they're actually legitimately hearing something? But we don't take it that way because we were programmed to believe that there's something wrong with these people. We don't look at the fact that maybe the voices are actually something giving from, Like these voices are coming from somewhere else besides just their mind. You ever looked into the Michael Hasting situation. I recognize the name, but I don't know the story. Oh, he was a journalist that was breaking a story about some some shady stuff that the military was doing about a high ranking colonel or general or well as BMW ended up exploding going down the road at eighty miles an hour, and he was putting out emails to family and friends that he was being followed, was hearing voices and all kinds of shit. But they would even it would play music, and I think there was somebody that was sitting in the car with him actually heard the music. At one point it was like I think that's the same story, but he ended up. I think somebody took over his car digitally wirelessly and made him rick. You just happened to mention something and I'm going to talk to you off air about it. I'm not going to put a target on either one of us, so we'll talk about it. Yeah, I was just thinking I pray, shouldn't I talked about that. We're all good, But we've been going on for almost an hour and a half, so we can probably wrap this one up. All right. Well, it's been fun. It definitely has been fun. It's been a pleasure talking with you. For anyone out there listening, you said you have a YouTube channel where that can they find that? Like, what's the name of and everything? For them? Uh? Live Free, Live Wild. 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