Ep. 178: Shadow Demon

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[00:00:27] Und ich habe einfach aufgeroll und habe den Arzt rausgebracht. Ich war fertig. Ich hatte das nicht. Ich hatte das nicht. Ich hatte das nicht. Die Hypocrisie von der Colt ist eine der Dinge, die mich schnellstens anwesendet hat. Wenn ich meine Hände auf, es kamen und uns. Und eine der Dinge, die ich mir immer, war, war, die Augen blähen.

[00:00:54] Ich sehe ein orb von Licht. Es ist einfach so, wie es ist, die Schritte ist. Er sagt, dass er eine UFO sah. they're basically like what are you talking about that's seven foot up on a tree peeking around it and that's where i saw the top of the muzzle nose and the eyes as soon as i made eye contact

[00:01:23] with this thing it felt like death like to take this time to welcome my guest tonight rachel thanks for coming on here talking to me thank you for having me would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself oh my name is rachel um i live here in indiana um and have since 99

[00:01:48] uh i work here locally um i have a book i wrote and a coloring book i've made but mostly i just mind my business and you know go about my life until i have crazy things happen and i like to share or write about it before we get into all the crazy stuff you said you wrote a book what is the book about so i actually saw you on the confessionals and i did the same thing that

[00:02:15] you did i had an experience and i wrote a book about it okay uh not voluntarily necessarily i went back to school and got my degree in english language and literature and i had to take one writing class and uh i was like well i guess i'll write fiction and uh they're like write what you know and i was like okay so i got this really good story so i'm gonna go ahead and start with that so it is

[00:02:37] the first the story is a flashback in the first chapter and then it's just after that everything fiction and it's how they resolve the issue basically so that's literally what i did so the first chapter is almost like word for word of what happened with me and then after that i had to try and make a story up so i was just i'm not an author or anything so

[00:03:04] i figured out i say that a lot i figured out real quickly that i didn't know what i was doing but i wrote stuff and then i ran it through all those things and it come back doesn't look like what i actually written so i was like it sounds good it makes it look like i didn't know what i was doing but i was like i don't even claim it at this point because the ai changed some of the words too much to make it sound i'm not that smart yeah actually the whole reason i finished the actual book

[00:03:32] was because i wanted to start a proofreading business and i needed i wanted titles to have as um you know works that i have proofread before so i was like well i can finish this book i've got this story going on so might as well finish it off and uh so i just wrote it very quickly it's actually a very short book but um i wanted a title to be able to have on my proofreading website so that

[00:03:59] was the goal what did you call it it's called the shadow demon the shadow demon i mean pretty much right to the point yeah yeah uh i guess the name might be the hook right not the first line but the name that's what i'm hoping anyway well where can people find that at is it on amazon or it's on amazon you have to do a fair amount of searching it's under it's actually under a pin

[00:04:26] name because when they said right what you know i used my name as the character that this happened to and so rather than change the name of the character i used the pin name so it's actually under the name nicole case and um but yeah it's nicole case the shadow demon it's available on amazon and that's it nowhere else i'll make sure to try and put that in the show notes um if you're ready you can dive on into

[00:04:56] it okay so i always preface this with this is a memory that i have had for so long that i am actually not sure whether it's a dream or whether it's real but when i think about the facts they line up they point to it potentially having happened so um when i was six i spent the summer here in indiana

[00:05:20] with my grandma me and my sister did and um or it might not have been the entire summer but as a kid i just said it's the we spent the summer with her it was probably just a couple weeks or something but um we came up here we lived in north carolina at the time and so we came up here and my grandma was um very into her church at that time like like heavily involved in her church and she

[00:05:47] like set up a play date i think with her it was either her pastor like pastor's family or uh like an associate pastor somebody involved in the church they had girls our age and um so they set up a play day so we were at the house i remember the house um like it's a it's an old

[00:06:07] farmhouse um surrounded by cornfields it was blue um and it had a shed that their kids used as a like a playhouse and as you know in indiana this summer it's still warm even though it's extremely cold right now in the winter it gets quite hot in the summer and for some reason they played in

[00:06:32] the shed that was probably extremely hot and it was not set up as a playhouse it didn't have windows it had a door and if you close the door it was pitch black and so we're in there playing and i i know my sister was there i have a cousin who says that she was there but i don't necessarily remember her being there but since we live in a different state like she lived here in indiana we lived in north carolina

[00:06:57] so we didn't see each other that often so if she was here i might not have pinned that to my memory because i i didn't really you know understand the concept of cousins as a six-year-old and um but anyway it was us and at least the two of us and i think three other girls and we're playing in this their playhouse and i don't know whose idea it was but for some reason

[00:07:27] they decided it would be fun to all line up and braid each other's hair so you're braiding the person's hair in front of you which i'm pretty sure i didn't know how to braid at that time and so i'm pretty sure i was in the front of the line and so and they decide well we should shut the door and you know be in the pitch black and just braid each other's hair in in the dark in a line and so we're

[00:07:53] in there and um you know every everybody's going about their business of braiding hair and one of the girls the two girls were siblings i'm almost positive that were close to my sister's age and um the one of the girls is like ow so and so stop pulling my hair and she's like i didn't do anything

[00:08:18] her sister i'm like i didn't do anything it's not me you know and so we go back to doing braiding each other's hair and then um a few minutes later she's like ow that really hurts stop and the girl's like i'm i swear i didn't do it you know because you always blame your siblings because they're always messing with you and she's like i'm i'm up here and you know getting my hair braided and the person who's braiding their hair was like yeah i'm braiding her hair and so like she couldn't be doing it and um

[00:08:48] so we realized that there must be somebody else in there and so like just pandemonium you know we're all screaming and we burst out of the doors and we're running to the house and i was at the back of the pack and i turned around to look behind me and i see this completely black solidly black like absence of

[00:09:17] all light black figure with the exception of the eyes which were red and they were glowing and it's like you could he had of course a hat but it was um i've heard it called a businessman stetson because it's not like a full cowboy hat but it's not it's too small to be a fedora or the fedora is

[00:09:39] too small to be what i saw and um he was chasing us and when i when i turned to look back he stopped it was like he hit a wall and he just completely backed off and just stood there but i continued running and i remember that's why i remember the house so much is because there was um they had one of those old aluminum screen doors and um i remember like the the the blue siding and the

[00:10:09] like the stoop the concrete stoop that was maybe two steps that we ran up and ran inside it i don't remember telling any adults about anything but i do remember us being freaked out and just staying in the house after that like i remember kind of aspects of the house and how it was decorated and um yeah

[00:10:32] that was uh that was probably one of the scariest things i think uh i ever saw and um even even now the lawn decorations that people have where it is a cut out and then like of a human and then you paint it black i don't i hate those things so much like i do not look at those things at all every time we

[00:10:58] drive by if i know one's coming i'm like i'm not looking over there that's not cannot look out the passenger side window so there is a house somewhere i forget exactly which one it was a few years ago they used to have it was like the cowboy leaning against the tree cut out it was all black had the hat and everything so yeah there's one on a highway around here and i know it's theirs i'm like okay

[00:11:25] i'm not looking over there that one's that house is invisible i have it out back it's up against my uh pole barn now but i used to have it out front there's a nine foot tall cut out of a sasquatch made out of metal that'd be fine it right where my barn is at now where i record in it used to be right beside that area but the actual leg parts where it goes into the ground the welds popped off

[00:11:52] so it wouldn't stand up on its own so i bolted it to my pole barn out back yeah but everyone that would drive by got a big glimpse of a nine foot basically like what's behind me right now but just a cut out of a nine foot tall one yeah but yeah i i asked my sister i'm like do you remember this she's like not so much but she she's like my mom in that they don't remember a lot from

[00:12:21] either one of them remember much from their childhood um and i asked my cousin and she said she does remember it and i'm like okay but i don't actually remember you being there so i'm just really not sure but the funny like the funny thing is um i i live in this area now so i could drive past this house on a fairly regular basis and have no idea that that was probably one of the most traumatic childhoods i say one of i had a i had a daredevil childhood like one of my first

[00:12:51] memories is almost drowning so i got bit by a dog when i was six as well so i mean i had some traumatic things happen when i was young so but it was one of the i mean just one of the things that has stuck with me for a very long time now you had similar experiences to me i was actually just thinking about this earlier and i'm not gonna name off all my childhood happenings i'll save that for someone

[00:13:13] else's show but uh i did get bit by a dog and uh the same uh cousins that cause a dog to get to bite me or also the same cousins that have me in a pool and hold me underwater oh okay yeah so i can relate to both being traumatic because i don't even like even today like if i get into like public pools i don't like when there's a bunch of people around me i start to get anxiety from it because

[00:13:43] i just remember being held down underwater and freaking out yeah see i i was i was told not to play on the deck of the pool and of course i did i was four and i tripped on a board that was like a loose board on the deck and fell into the pool and this was october and you know it's north carolina though so it's not cold cold um i was wearing sweats but no like wasn't jacket weather i guess

[00:14:10] um but yeah i remember um my sister and one of her friends were we're all three up there playing and i'm the one who fell in and then my sister's friend was like quick thinking and i mean she had to have been six at the time because i was four and she grabbed the like one of the um pool tools that you like skimmer or whatever that had a pole and she held the pole out to me and i grabbed the pole and they fished me out but like i had distinct memories of like bobbing up from the bottom because

[00:14:38] i couldn't it was over my head i i would sink to the bottom and then push it back up to the top you know so but yeah that's a that's a fun story as well yeah childhood experiences they stick with you yep so this thing that resembled a hat man you said it in your email it had like red eyes

[00:15:06] now the red eye part i don't know i don't think i've heard too many stories of hat men where people actually see in the eyes usually you just see the silhouette of the thing so the red the red eye part really stuck out to me well part of the thing is a lot of times i know people say they associate that with sleep paralysis which i don't think i've ever had in my life but i don't go into deep sleep enough i'm a light sleeper

[00:15:35] so um but also i mean this was the middle of the day and it was a bright sunny day i mean i remember white fluffy clouds in the sky not overcast just blue skies white fluffy clouds and then this like it looked like a demon to me so you know the the green the red eyes it was the right

[00:16:00] the the hat that you're talking about i always told to me it's like the old uh 1930s 1940s like gangster businessman hat that's what i always think of when yeah it's the same hat that people report seeing like with ufo stuff when uh they claim men in black would show up yeah yeah i would say that

[00:16:23] it's the same type of a hat like that the thing that i remember and i thought i was dreaming too i always said it was a cowboy hat because that's the type of hat that i remembered right my dad wore cowboy hats and cowboy boots and stuff like that so i knew the difference you know i knew it wasn't

[00:16:44] like his with me and this is why i chalked it up to a dream for so long as there was a movie that i just watched and it was called bubba hotep and i think i've mentioned this on another episode but that movie was about a mummy that came back and it was sucking the souls of people and if i remember right he had a cowboy hat on

[00:17:10] which is so i i always just said it was because i watched that movie recently and i was just dreaming about that and that's how i wrote it all off but it wasn't up until a few years ago and i heard about a hat man i was like what is hat man and i listened to an episode of a podcast and they talked about i'm like that sounds creepily very similar to what i've experienced right i didn't know it was

[00:17:36] i guess five or six years ago maybe that i learned that hat man was a thing i was like i'm sorry what now what is this called and they're like a hat man i was like wait so that's what it was honestly i haven't dove very deep into it um i've listened to people talk about their experiences with hat man but i've never like it's my goal there's a book written i think it's called the hat man

[00:18:03] by somebody i think her name might be heidi something or other and it's on my list of things to read but i haven't done it yet so i know what the book is someone actually told me that i should look into getting it and i never have because i'm not an avid reader i've got i've got books beside me that are from guests so i've gotten like three copies of their books and things and i'm supposed to be reading them i was like i'll get to that and then i get another book and i'm like i'm gonna

[00:18:29] get to that one i work all day i do stuff with family and then i come out here so i don't have the free time to actually read exactly like guys i need i need you to send me the audiobook that is actually something that i've actually tried to do is listen to books but a lot of the things

[00:18:53] that i would want to listen to i feel like i still don't have the time i might when i have to start driving back for a couple hours for working purposes and maybe i'll start doing that but i haven't even been listening to podcasts in the last almost two years because i don't travel that far for work purposes anymore like the farthest i go is like 25 minutes away for the last year and a half yeah so i don't have a whole lot of time to be catching up on everybody's

[00:19:22] episodes right yeah makes it difficult you said you had some other experiences do you want to talk about some of them so um some of my i have i don't dream often um when i do it's usually really random

[00:19:42] weird dreams but i have reoccurring themes in dreams sometimes and one time or not one time but a few times i had a dream about this place this this house it was in my dream i went with a babysitter

[00:20:03] she took me and my sister to on military bases they have base housing which my dad was in the army and we didn't we never lived on base housing but you know we were really close to the base and so it's just like this apartment complex of townhouses basically and we went there with my babysitter and i swear to god this was a dream

[00:20:31] and because it was weird because the house was almost completely empty and i remember in my dream i went up upstairs and went to um like you went upstairs and you turn to the left and there was a bedroom at the end of that hall and i went to this bedroom and it was the end of the row of the apartments and the room was completely empty and i remember looking out the window and it was just very

[00:20:57] eerie and then this was this was a dream i'm fairly certain i was four maybe five when i had it but the reason it sticks out the reason i even remember it at all is because i had when i was i think i was seven or eight i had these these friends that lived down the road and um a brother and sister

[00:21:22] and we started hanging out all the time playing riding bikes things like that and um they moved from their house down the road from us which was like a normal neighborhood not base housing well they moved into base housing the apartment in the base housing that they moved into was the one that i dreamt about and the room that i went to that was creepy was my friend heather it was her room

[00:21:51] and i remember when we were there they said oh this this house this this uh this room is haunted because there was a boy a teenager who lived here committed suicide by hanging himself on the tree right outside this window and they said sometimes there were there was woods behind the that um like the base housing

[00:22:19] there was woods there was like a wooded area and then there was um uh playground kind of behind it so i mean i think the distance was maybe a mile or so between the back of their house in this playground area so i mean not a small amount of traversing there but um they said that sometimes you can see his ghost running through those woods because he glows green and we actually did see that one time but

[00:22:46] i mean it was a military base it could have been somebody running with a ken stick through there but i just think it's one of the things that's really weird about it is that i dreamt about that place being creepy before i went there before my before i was even friends with these people and certainly before they moved to that area and there was one aspect of um like there's one area of

[00:23:14] the woods where you would all the kids would go and play and they called it rather than the playground they called it um clay mountains it was an area where it had been like there was a a difference in the elevation and there were trees on the upper elevation and it was in red clay and like water had just washed away um kind of a concave area and so they just

[00:23:42] called it clay mountain because it was all just red dirt and um we played over there and i dreamt about that place specifically as well and i'm like when we went there with my babysitter in my dream um it was nighttime and so i wouldn't have gone to i wouldn't have gone to that place at all because it was just like an evening i don't remember staying there necessarily in my dream so i i wouldn't have gone to that place but i remember being in that place um that specific area um

[00:24:12] in my dream too so i just thought it was really strange that they i mean people come up with the whole you know oh this is haunted oh that's haunted to scare you a lot but i don't know i i was more inclined to believe it after having been there before in a dream do you think um like being there in the dream and i'm not trying to go all weird like psychic ability or anything

[00:24:42] like that but you think it's almost like a premonition of things like you were able to see things before yes i guess but like for that one it's kind of pointless like i don't understand the purpose because i'm not friends with them anymore they moved away again um like maybe a year after they had moved into that apartment and we lost contact for the most part i can't actually i don't

[00:25:08] remember where they moved to but i feel like it was out west maybe um but i have had like i my nephew um is after he was born i had a dream about him and he was having like like it was me and my mom and my sister and my nephew and he was having like um spots breaking out around his mouth and i was like

[00:25:37] guys he's having an allergic react to something and they're like what i don't what are you talking about i'm like no he's having an allergic reaction to something and then like six months later we found out he's deathly allergic to peanuts so i'm like oh that's kind of weird do you ever get deja vu yes yes i do does it happen often not super often and and to be perfectly honest sometime like i've worked in the same job for 15 years so it's kind of like when you're having deja vu a job that you've

[00:26:06] worked at for 15 years is it really deja vu or did you just literally do this already right and then like i this this is a new house i've lived here for about a year now um but my last house i lived in for 12 years you know and kind of the same house you know you go do the same thing in the house repeatedly and you're like well i've been here for 12 years what are the odds i haven't done this

[00:26:32] before and that's why i think it's deja vu but yeah i guess i i do get it sometimes and i'm just like no this seems more deja vu than normal i get it often and it's never anything of any relevancy exactly yes it's very strange like someone will say something and i'm just like oh i've already seen

[00:26:57] this before yeah and like there's no reason for it that i'm aware of but when you talk to other people say things like this or look into stuff like this they claim that maybe it's because like our reality and again this isn't going on the whole out there theme but right we're making we're remembering that specific part because we do something afterwards and we didn't do it

[00:27:25] correctly the first time so now we're doing it again i was like well that's almost very simulated sounding so right it's like oh you didn't you didn't perform your functions correctly last time once you try that again right so you can't get right this time yeah so i don't know how much truth to that there is right but i don't know it is interesting because i've noticed that some people

[00:27:51] have not so much like i said premonitions or whatever but if you find out people have been able to see things they dream these things and you ask them about deja vu oh yeah they experience that too so i don't know how it all correlates together but and like i had i remember one of the houses that we lived in north carolina um i remember having a dream and it was a very weird dream i walked i was in

[00:28:18] the master like walked in the master bedroom and um it looked like our house but there was this woman there and she was ghostly and you know glowing and wearing a white nightgown and she kept pointing to this white spot on the floor and it was like a white like stain on the floor basically like just like a puddle big puddle and i was like well that's really really strange and then

[00:28:47] sometime after that dream i had heard that someone um might have been murdered but i think they said it was in the house next to that one so not that house and i'm like hmm i wonder if i dreamt about that or like because i didn't know about it beforehand it was sometime afterwards but this is something and i don't know if i've talked about it prior but

[00:29:13] when something happens traumatic in an area and people are oh the house is haunted because it happened in the house what contains the energy to that house and someone says oh the property's how do these things know property lines like this is all just made up stuff that we humans have said this this is where my property ends what makes them abide by those non-universal like rules just because

[00:29:38] our made-up lines say they can't cross through here i just stepped two feet across my property you have to stay over there mr ghost exactly oh nope sorry these property lines here they're like uh they're gonna block you sorry that's why i've always thought it was strange when people like oh my house is haunted well your neighbor is like five feet away why aren't they having experiences over there laws of different houses like yeah i get that but what contains it to this house like

[00:30:07] why is everything contained to a house suppose it has something to do with them being attached to that house not necessarily and not the neighbor's house like if it was their house like you know they would feel more comfortable there i guess maybe or if you go on the theory that you know um ghosts are just uh like the energy that like they're just doing the same thing that they always did in

[00:30:37] their lifetime like they're gonna if they went to get the mail at 3 15 every day when they're alive they're gonna go to get the mail 3 15 every day when they're dead almost like a residual haunting type of a thing yeah that's what i was looking for but then they wouldn't go to they wouldn't wander over to the neighbor's house unless they did that a lot in real life i guess i just always find it interesting

[00:30:58] that uh when you hear people having these experiences or whatever and well dive into my own crap like we have weird stuff here and there's really no reason as to why there should be yeah i've been told by random people here in the last couple of months because i was in an event

[00:31:23] and i was talking and maybe being a speaker and someone come up right afterwards and was telling me that so like again i'll dive into it but basically it's my land and then some miles later in the day i was like do you have trees around your place like i live in rural indiana what do you expect like that's kind of like to me it's almost like they're fishing for stuff and then by whatever you answer i'm very

[00:31:52] skeptical psychic people or whatever i always feel like they're trying to not so much like con people but at the same time it's almost that way i feel like so when they're asking questions and you get certain answers they go into the next thing and like you're you're setting them up by giving them information so i'm not very open about a lot of stuff and right yes yeah but the things

[00:32:15] that they were asking were like is there any water nearby well again they're which direction you go you're gonna run into water at some point yeah so it's all vague stuff right i feel i'm pretty far from any water like halfway like the missus and why it runs through here um but it's a good little

[00:32:41] while away from here and then we have the white river as well and uh again it's pretty far away for me i mean miles you know you're not gonna walk there right luckily for me i am smack dab in the middle between the eel and the wabash and just a few miles from where the missus runs into the wabash so i have all those great little combobulation of river systems that run

[00:33:10] right around where i live so i get all the weird stuff yeah see my mom used to live on the missus in a while as well i mean there was a cornfield in between her house but actually it wrapped around so there was a cornfield in one direction and then on the other side there was a house a road a house and then the river but i can't i mean i don't remember anything really weird

[00:33:36] happening there but the i didn't want now that i think about sharing the story of the the shadow the hat man or whatever i think about how my mom's house it has the shed set up like that house and i was like what if it's that house but i was like no the back door is not placed right and the front stoop isn't or i mean the back stoop there is no um unless they revamped the laundry room it's not it

[00:34:03] and i seem to remember that house being two stories as well so i'm like well that's not it then now in your email you said that they were it was your sister too wasn't it and then there's a couple other little girls they didn't ever mention anything about it not that i'm aware of and i it's like if i met these other girls on the street today like i there's good possibility i actually do

[00:34:29] know them because if they stayed in town then you know my job is actually very front-facing like i i know a lot of people in town so i come across a lot of people like people i went to high school with and um but if i saw them i would never know it was them because i don't even know i remember their names yeah remember how many girls there were and i don't remember their names at all so but yeah i've asked

[00:34:55] my sister and my sister's like i don't i mean maybe that happened and i'm like well i feel like you remember that i i think she remembers playing i don't think she remembers um like maybe she didn't look backwards you know maybe nobody else looked backwards besides me but i mean if they didn't then it would just be like this you know weird thing that happened in a shed one day and then that's all

[00:35:21] that there was why didn't i understand like you weren't familiar with like hat man or whatever back then but you called it a demon obviously just because of the red eyes or why did you think it was a demon yeah okay pretty much i honestly i never called it anything until i wrote the book i had to come up with a name and i was like oh that works that'll work that's good because it looked

[00:35:46] like a shadow and i had glowing red eyes i'm like oh it's obviously a demon you know weird that uh i mentioned that d word and then my screen over here just decides to shut off by itself i'm gonna kick back on so anyone watching the video you notice that my screen went off right when i was talking about demon so goes along with some of the other things around here we'll just leave it to that the other night completely off topic but i have a setup to where i record over here it's my

[00:36:17] roadcaster or whatever and i had forgot to stop recording so it recorded for 13 hours straight until i came back out here the next day and it was still recording i was like oh i forgot to turn it off so i had stopped now i have 13 hours of recording to go back and listen to to see if i picked up any weird noises yeah see if there's any random evps or anything out here from all the weird stuff because the whole point of me coming out here was to try and get all the weird stuff

[00:36:44] away from the house away from the house and be contained out here because it's weird that when people do things like what i do and other podcasts or whatever if you talk to them sometimes they say that they get more activity ever since they started doing stuff like this and a lot of people think it's because you're opening doorways by talking about you're giving that the energy you're giving it the attention so somehow you're inviting it in i was like well i've never invited anything in

[00:37:12] then i've always said nothing's allowed in here but since i've been out here doing this i have cameras out here and i have caught weird things happening in here on my camera huh so now i need to go back and listen to like 12 hours worth of silence just to see if there's something on there yeah coyotes maybe an owl no coyote coyotes is a weird thing because i was out

[00:37:38] here a couple weeks ago and shit you're not i heard i hear something ground i have my headphones on so i'm hearing what i'm listening to but i heard something very close and i heard growling and i'm like so i hit pause and i'm hearing it again i was like what is that i was like and i start hearing the yapping and all i was like oh i bet they're back screwed on my goats or chicken

[00:38:02] so i go outside and as soon as i step out it stops but i hit record on my camera on my phone as i go out there you hear me hit my table and big thud from that trying to get around it to hurry up and get out but then the noises of the coyotes just completely silence like well that's strange like they instantly just stopped as soon as i opened the door right but yeah the growling part was very very close was enough to where i heard it over the headphones and i actually went back and listened

[00:38:31] to the audio again to make sure it wasn't something on that and it was not on my audio so again more weird stuff yeah seems to yeah seems to follow me maybe i don't know yeah for me um i kind of wondered whether talking about this would like kick up anything but i've told the story a couple times now and um so far so good so i'm just gonna

[00:39:00] knock on wood here make sure you know hopefully get a good night's sleep tonight you said you're a very you're not a deep sleeper no i'm not either but and you said you never had sleep paralysis which i get that every once in a while very maybe like a couple times a year and to me it's just i'm not awake i don't ever think of it as sleep paralysis like i to me i'm still in

[00:39:26] that dream state i'm half awake half asleep so i'm looking around i'm still asleep but my body is not fully awake i don't correlate it to every time that that happens that there's a demon feeding on me or whatever like some people do right i have heard it was someone recently that when you're in rem sleep your your brain sends out signal to like basically paralyze you

[00:39:53] because you know when you're in rem sleep is when you're dreaming and you're doing all those so that you don't do all those weird things that you're doing in your dreams they that's why your brain paralyzes you and so that that's the explanation of why because you're still in rem sleep when you wake up and that's why you're paralyzed because your brain is still in rem sleep that's the explanation i heard they have all sorts of explanations for everything but i'm not going to say that they're

[00:40:21] wrong but yeah i have um one of the reoccurring dream themes that i do have is it's a very straight it's i am dreaming that i am in my bed in the i've had this happen in three separate houses and it's always in that specific house and i dream that a spider falls from the ceiling onto my face or

[00:40:45] my head and so i actually jump out of bed and i guess i'm awake but i haven't opened my eyes yet i open my eyes standing up beside my bed like looking back like looking for the spider like where is the spider oh my god i cannot have a spider in my bed you know i've had it happen like at least four or five times and i'm lucky that i'm always in the correct house because if i'm not in the correct house i

[00:41:10] could you know try and throw myself off the bed in the wrong direction and land in a wall or you know a dresser or something like that but yeah i i literally wake up standing next to my bed looking for that spider and then it takes me a really long time to fall back asleep because my heart is pounding that energy from uh thinking the spiders on you i've had something like that happen not too long ago

[00:41:37] but i felt something on my face and i i didn't jump out of bed i just instantly grabbed whatever it was and threw it and then i realized like i probably should have seen what it was that i threw yeah yeah but i never got up and looked for because i didn't want to know at that point i just wanted to stay in bed yeah so my biggest struggle is between my wife and i we usually have a child

[00:42:03] in between the bed so we either have my son or my daughter or both because she'll be six she'll still come into our bedroom says she has bad dreams and then wants to come get in bed and then the three-year-old we had to move his bed into our room even though for the most part he's always been in his own room we never had a problem but here recently he wants to be in our room all the time watching our tv so we just kind of moved his bed in here even though he has his own tv

[00:42:33] oh we converted his bedroom into my wife's workspace so yeah his bed's now in our room and then he'll sleep in his bed but then in the middle of night he'll want to get up between us so i need a bigger bed i don't think yeah we have a queen and we've been talking about getting a king size bed i was like well we got anything bigger than that because we need one for like four people

[00:42:57] yes yeah yep is there anything else that you've had happen to you that you'd like to talk about you know a couple actually the more recent ones that is interesting i actually just remembered this story today because i was listening to somebody else talk about an experience and um my grandma died the same grandma that i was staying with she died um i think i was about almost 20 or 21

[00:43:23] and i remember so i sleep with the tv on and i have since i was maybe eight or so i actually would go and sleep in our spare bedroom because that's where the tv was and i would just sleep on the floor because i have trouble shutting my brain off and i would put it put the show on the tv in the tv it helps my brain to disengage and sleep and um so because i sleep with the tv on you know it's always

[00:43:48] i wake up and it's light in my room and um then the night that my grandma she had died in that morning but that next like that night when i went to bed i woke up in the middle of the night and um looked at my tv and like in between the tv there was a black like um kind of like a cloud you know

[00:44:14] like not really a figure necessarily but just a black something or other and it blocked the light from the tv and i actually remember my mom saying that um she had the same thing happen when my great grandfather died i didn't have it happen but it happened to her the day the night that he died and so it never really like i never made a big deal out of it because i was like oh well that's that's the same thing that happened to her so that's that just that must be what it is when you die you go

[00:44:42] check out your grandchildren while they're sleeping for something i don't know it was kind of like a black mass or like a black shadow or yeah like not even a shadow just more like a mass um i haven't i interviewed someone recently i was actually by the time this airs that episode i'll already be out but i met him when i was down in tennessee recording with tony he was someone that is friends with tony he actually came into the studio

[00:45:12] but he talked about a black mass that was like right over his face kind of like hovering around there uh-huh and i've heard other people talk about these black matt like they don't have definitive shapes but they're like a black presence and to be honest anytime i've heard about them they're more like a ominous type things are more

[00:45:40] nefarious i would say yeah i just i went back to sleep like i woke up i saw it and i was like oh well that's weird okay i went back to sleep now didn't even like you know because sometimes you have a nightmare and it's like yeah i think i'm gonna stay awake for a little while now because i don't want to go back into that dream thank you no but uh yeah i was that was just like no it's that's just my grandma it's fine i'm just gonna go back to sleep now that is the one thing i can say

[00:46:09] i don't get a whole lot of nightmares which i'm kind of grateful for that i just get really screwed up dreams yeah they're just really i have really weird weird random like odd things but since i i don't i don't have i have what i call anxiety dreams where there are things that give me anxiety but not there's anybody else that way they would never consider it a nightmare but like i don't i

[00:46:37] don't like heights and so i'll have dreams where in order to leave like a some sort of shopping center the stairs have like this huge gap in them like a six foot gap and and people in my dream are just jumping that gap like it's just a normal thing and i'm like trying to prepare myself to jump over this gap and it's just it's what i i just call them anxiety dreams but since i've lived in this house

[00:47:02] i've had two nightmares like i would call them nightmares um and i'm like this is weird i don't i don't like that because i don't have nightmares i mean these are these are ones where i'm like yeah i don't want to i'm gonna stay awake for a little bit let me go ahead and just maybe play a game on my phone or something real quick to reset my mind but yeah i like i like when uh i wake up and i feel like i'm levitating and i jerk real bad and i fall back into the bed i was like was i actually levitating or

[00:47:31] is i just because i usually dreams like when you're falling and all of a sudden i land and hit the bed like i'm right before i hit the ground i always like hit my bed yeah yeah well i'd rather hit the bed than the ground so right some i've talked to some people before and this is there's there's episodes that have been out so people are kind of like roll their eyes up we talked about this on previous stuff but like i've always wondered like if you die in your dream do you die in real life i know a lot of people say you don't

[00:48:01] and i've had dreams that are screwed up that i've been at my own funeral before yeah technically you didn't die though i didn't die in the dream but i was dead in the dream yeah so i um it's funny sometimes i will have

[00:48:22] like very very rarely i will have an extremely vivid realistic dream like i'm actually writing a second book even though i say all the time i'm not a writer i don't want to be a writer but i'm writing a second book about this dream because in this dream i was um like it was like it was like a movie it was like watching a movie i was seeing this scene from above and i'm in the middle of the scene where it's like kind of like a poltergeist

[00:48:52] scene where there's these two girls that are college girls and there's stuff flying off of shelves and stuff like that and i'm like wow that is a incredibly odd dream i don't know if other people have dreams where they aren't like i wasn't a character in the dream i was just watching the dream happen and so i'm like well that's a that's a new book for me then so i've been writing that for

[00:49:17] like three years now on and off so do you ever see yourself in your dreams i don't think so i have a couple times that i can remember like usually when people dream you dream in the first person like how we are right now like looking right i remember in some dreams that i've seen myself doing stuff like

[00:49:41] so i'm watching my own self do thing that just is strange yeah yeah that would be i don't think i've ever done that i think i've been like invisible in my dreams where i will watch other people doing things and it's it's like i'm not there again kind of like it like in the last one only it's i'm not like watching from above but i'm just a spectator watching things happen

[00:50:07] it makes me wonder if we don't leave like when we go when we fall asleep and we start dreaming it's like are we experiencing what happens elsewhere like say there is multiple universe or multiple decisions like i said if it is a whole simulated type of thing like did i just try astral travel the astral plane and go into a different realm to where i'm watching myself mow the lawn like

[00:50:36] glad i'm not in that reality right now i actually i enjoy mowing so i i wouldn't be more i was actually thinking about that earlier like i can't wait till warren's back up so i can mow i really am a middle-aged dad at this point because that's my highlight is mowing my yard yeah i'm just ready for it to not be covered in snow um i don't like living in an area where i walk outside and my face is burning from being cold like no one understands that reference but like when

[00:51:05] you walk outside it feels like your face is on fire because it's so bitterly cold yeah that's how it feels here or sometimes when you walk outside and that wind hits you or like when it it hurts your nose to breathe in yeah that's no fun my wife said she wants to live somewhere where it doesn't hurt her face when she walks outside i was like yeah i understand your reference because yeah that's

[00:51:31] it it is that way and it sucks sometimes i have to work outside a lot so yeah yeah i saw some i was driving to the store today and i saw people working outside i was like oh man today's a a terrible day for that so about 10 i think it was 11 years ago now we had a horrific snowstorm that came with an arctic blast and it was negative 45 or negative 50 degrees yeah i remember that

[00:51:58] you could throw water in the air to instantly turn to ice i was out working in that i worked for the highway department at the time so we had to plow the roads and after that was all done they wanted us to go out and fix potholes so it was negative 25 degrees like the actual temperature was negative 25 plus the wind chill and we're out there trying to put asphalt in these holes yeah i was like this is the shovel this is the worst day of my life literally

[00:52:28] it was so freaking cold yeah yeah that's that's pretty outrageous actually yeah i had a co-worker um he came over and shoveled my driveway so i could go to work and then the pipes were frozen at work so i couldn't go to work anyway so they're like well i guess we're not gonna be open i was like okay great i'm so glad she came and shoveled my driveway in negative 40 degrees for me not to go anywhere i've been kind of bitter about the whole situation because i

[00:52:56] no longer work there so ever since i left because i hated having to be on call during the winter i still do the same normal job that i used to do for the highway department i oversee construction stuff but this what i do now i work for a private company and we don't have anything to do with that aspect to it so i don't have to be out plowing roads but ever since i've left the state five years

[00:53:23] ago it's like we haven't really had into the snow like we used to i felt like i was always working i was like now that i've been gone i was like it doesn't seem like we get like the snow storms that we were getting so yeah yeah i mean it's been a very very light for snow in the last what like seven years or so yeah it's not been uh everything i kept seeing claims this was going to be like one

[00:53:49] of the worst winters in the last decade i was like well we'll see and so far it hasn't really done much of anything right i somebody told me that it was supposed to be a really mild winter and i was like all right well whatever i'm just gonna do what i always do so see i don't worry about it like i said bring it on i've got my heaters i've got everything else i need so we stock up on food so if it comes into a big snowstorm cool i'm gonna be warm and toasty and not worry about it exactly yep

[00:54:19] well we've been going on for about an hour is there anything else you'd like to discuss or we can wrap this one up i do have one last story that happened this is the most recent story that's happened to me and it's still somewhat puzzling like i had gone through my closets at my house and i um painted all of them white because they were all like painted ugly colors and i was just like you know what they

[00:54:48] just they can be white and then i'll put everything back in there and i'll organize everything and i have this you call it a boom box it's not really like what you think of when a boom when you say boom box it's just a portable cd player cassette player am fm radio and it has this you know the toggle switch on it you have to switch back and forth between these all of the you know modes or whatever and it takes six c

[00:55:15] batteries and i had organized my closets and um put everything back in there and that was one of the things that got put back in there i actually didn't know there were batteries in there that's how long they were in there and i was at home like i think i did that like on a sunday maybe and i'm pretty sure it was tuesday evening around like seven o'clock or something like that

[00:55:41] i i start hearing this like noise and i'm very like why why what am i hearing what is this right now and it sounded like the radio and so i i'm going back and i'm trying to i'm like i was in the living room i could hear it in the back of the house so i'm walking back there to try and figure out what in the world i'm hearing and i get back there and it's this boom box that was on and it had like

[00:56:09] the switch had been pushed to i guess i think it was the radio because there were no cds in there so um and certainly not a cassette in there um and so it's i pull it out and i'm like what and why is this how is this even on it there are not any batteries in here and i open up and there were batteries but some i'm like i don't understand how that happened how did i know i messed with it

[00:56:34] the past weekend and then three days later it starts playing on like radio station which i i don't even know what radio station it was on it happened to be one that came through without the antenna which you know there's not many of those that do that here because you'd have to like we have one local station that's a really kind of like a powerful broadcasting station and that's about

[00:57:01] it and so i was like this is just really odd so i turned it off and put it back in the closet but i was just like that's that's unusual but i think that was the the only um strange thing that i had happened in that house that i had lived in for you know 12 years the entire time i was there which the couple that the couple that i bought the house from they were the original owners of the

[00:57:30] house and there's potential that um the guy the husband actually died in the house but i don't really know that for sure but it's kind of funny because like the whole time i lived there i never felt any like creepiness until until that happened and then i was like okay what what is that so do you have a dog or a cat yes i thought i just saw something behind your arm yeah my i have a white

[00:58:00] german shepherd as well okay i've been sleeping here moved to the hallway i have a female white german shepherd yeah so interesting no i literally thought i just saw something i was talking to someone a while back and there was something on camera moving in the background and i was like that's interesting

[00:58:25] but i don't know whatever it ended up being but so we i usually don't do video recording so i don't ever get to see the people and we don't ever get to talk this way but and then when i'm talking and everything i start to notice things in the background i was like we're talking about weird stuff so i'm expecting something to come popping out from behind you and freak me out yeah yeah he's a he's an old man

[00:58:53] he decided he doesn't want to lay in here anymore beside me so he's gonna go lay in the hallway now no there's a cat that's been through here too so she's coming and hollered a couple times nice so if you hear weird noise it does not really sound like a cat meow that was her okay now it's always always good to know if there's anything else in the background that can make some weird noises i don't i don't fine-tooth comb everything when it comes to these type of episodes or whatever i just

[00:59:21] pretty much leave them be so yeah there was also a helicopter that came through at one point too so i get cars that drive by a lot and sometimes you hear them sometimes you don't usually if the guys are to drive by with a big loud jacked up trucks that have to sound ridiculously loud for unknown reasons then they might get picked up for the most part though i don't really hear a whole lot out here yeah that helicopter was shaking some stuff around here i was like what is that

[00:59:48] oh it's a helicopter so well rachel it's been a pleasure talking to you all right it's been nice talking to you as well you want to let everyone know where they can find your book at one more time what it's called and everything so it's called um the shadow demon by nicole case um so and it is available on amazon if you'd like to be a guest on tinfoil tells remember to send an email to tinfoil tells podcast

[01:00:14] to gmail.com or go to tinfoil tells.com and go to the contact section make sure to follow me around on all the social medias and just remember truth comes at a cost are you willing to pay the price heard a story late last night about something lurking along the wood line huge footprints strange lights in the sky

[01:00:41] they claim it's nothing but i know they lie it's easier to laugh to laugh in my face but something about this makes me say what if it's real what if they knew we're coming from you it's wasting my time

[01:01:06] hearing the mothman fly very giants hidden beneath the lies they say it's just stories it's all made

[01:01:51] believe for the things we can't perceive they want to keep us blind they want to break our way if the truth

[01:02:09] could set us free secret space programs race in their minds they call them crazy but i just need some proof

[01:02:22] what if it's true it's demons ghost the nipple them too what if it's me what if it's real what if it's true