Second Look Sunday: Ep. 16 - Third Reich Galactic Federation (Secret Space Program)

[00:00:03] and I just turned around and I hauled ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with that. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my headlights on, it turned and looked at us

[00:00:25] and one of the things I remember the most were the eyes were glowing red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw a UFO.

[00:00:44] They're basically like, what are you talking about? That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, it felt like death.

[00:01:02] Welcome back to Tinfoil Tales. I'm your host Brandon Wright. Tonight's episode is a Sunday second look. We're going to take a dive into episode 16, Third Reich Galactic Federation, the secret space program. My guest John Whitberg was the first person I'd talked to about the secret space program

[00:01:25] and I hadn't really heard much about it at that point and it was kind of a controversial topic just from the amount of feedback that I got originally when I first started the podcast.

[00:01:35] With my usual stance, I always am a little skeptical when it comes to certain topics, especially things I'm not too familiar with and the secret space program was one of those topics that kind of made me take a step back a little bit.

[00:01:47] I don't fully understand the science behind it or how it's possible and then with the emails I was getting from people saying these people are not truthful, they're just delusions, they're lying, this and that.

[00:01:58] I just kind of wanted to try and take a step back from doing any sort of topics after these episodes were released but with John being the first one, I wanted to reach out to him and take a dive back down into it.

[00:02:11] So make sure to listen to the episode and at the end of the episode I will give some updates as to what has been going on since my interview with John and see how things are going for him. But I hope you enjoy the episode.

[00:02:21] Sit back, relax and enjoy the show. Time to welcome my guest today, John. John, thanks for coming out on my show and definitely interested in hearing what you've got to say. Well, thank you for having me. You've had some interesting encounters you've told me a little bit about

[00:02:40] so if you'd like to start from the beginning. Okay. Basically I've been a part of the secret space program as it's called or some people call it the super soldier program or the cabal in space. There's different names for it but to put it very basically,

[00:03:03] the Nazis didn't actually lose the war. They went into space and they've been colonizing planets since the 1940s and they made a deal with the American government that they would not invade Earth and take over the world basically so long as the Americans gave them 150,000 kids every year

[00:03:29] to serve in their military, to be a part of their colonies, to basically things of that sort. In 2007 I was one of those people. So I've been, I was six years old. Since then I've been being taken and then re-aged

[00:03:51] or age-regressed and brought back to Earth numerous times. I've been used as a diplomat between the Nazis and also between the US Navy and various alien species. I've been a spy, a security officer, an archaeologist, a scientist, etc.

[00:04:19] I started getting, well I've had some slight memories of this my whole life. I started getting these memories actively in July of 2019 and I've been recovering ever since. I've been public since September of this year I believe.

[00:04:41] What is your first memory of being taken and what were you doing? What do you remember from that? I remember being six years old, laying in bed. I couldn't sleep. I've never been able to sleep hardly my whole life.

[00:04:57] It takes a lot to knock me out so I was laying in bed awake and this portal opened in the wall of my bedroom and a blonde woman in a Nazi uniform stepped through and instantly I was like paralyzed.

[00:05:16] I believe they were using some sort of directed energy weapon on me that made me unable to move and I was levitated through this portal and into the back of a truck. This was in Colorado Springs so I was driven from,

[00:05:37] I believe this truck was actually on the street outside my house to Cheyenne Mountain base which is a, for people who don't know there's a base that's inside of Cheyenne Mountain that also goes many many levels underground and what actually happens there is classified.

[00:06:02] What I remember being done to me there was something similar but not exactly the same as MKUltra style type of things. I wasn't tortured but I was like programmed. I remember being drugged a lot, being hypnotized

[00:06:25] and they had me and a bunch of other kids who were there watching like The Wizard of Oz and Sleeping Beauty which are both very typical MKUltra movies that people have talked about and I don't remember a lot of that phase.

[00:06:44] The clear memories set in at the end of that phase where I was taken from Earth to Vega Prime which is an Earth-like planet in the Vega star system where there was a major Nazi city and I was raised essentially as a part of their civilization. So, yeah.

[00:07:13] Now far out of being Nazis and everything, I don't know if you would know this or not but how did they acquire the technology in order to travel through space to different galaxies and different star systems? Was there some sort of working along with extraterrestrials

[00:07:30] that you're aware of or how did all any of that come about? Did you ever learn anything from that? Yes, they were working... Well, at first they were working with a species called... I don't know what they call themselves but they're from the system of Aldebaran.

[00:07:52] They're blonde, blue-eyed aliens. They could pass for human quite easily but they're very advanced. There was actually prior to World War II in the 1920s in Germany there was a medium woman by the name Maria Orsic. Or-s-i-c. Who was in communication with that species

[00:08:22] and she was receiving basically blueprints for how to build spaceships and the like. This is all documented history. People can look this up. After the war ended, the Nazis were approached by the reptilian species from Alphebriconus. There's more than one reptilian species, by the way. So, yeah.

[00:08:51] But these reptilians, they needed mercenaries and they said to the Nazis, we'll give you ships and we'll tell you what planets you can go to and all of that if you agree to do our dirty work for us, essentially. So that's how all that came about.

[00:09:13] Now these reptilians, these other multiple races, do you know, or different species, I mean, do you know approximately where they're from? You know the ones from that one star system. Is there multiple species of those or do they all kind of evolve from the same area?

[00:09:32] Are they just branched out or are you not sure? Oh yeah, there's tons of species. Well, there's one actually that evolved from velociraptors, the types who lived on Earth back in the dinosaur era, but they wound up moving to Mars for the most part. And let's see.

[00:10:00] There's ones you can see on my picture here. They came from Epsilon reticuli and there's many others that I don't exactly remember where they're from, but they're all over the galaxy. So where I left off was that there are many, many reptilian species

[00:10:24] across this galaxy and this universe. For whatever reason, that seems to be a very common, I don't know, evolutionary path for creatures to take. Yes. So do you think the evolutionary, as far as like the dinosaur era on our planet,

[00:10:46] was that something that just happens throughout the galaxies or is it just something that you think they were actually placed here by the reptilians? Because I know of some stories about how the reptilians were the ones that actually started the whole dinosaur population here millions of years ago.

[00:11:04] I don't know if I necessarily believe that, but it's just one of those theories that I've come across by researching through things. I don't actually know. I've been to other planets where dinosaurs were still in existence, so it's entirely possible that someone somewhere was placing them

[00:11:24] across this galaxy. So, yeah, it could go either way. Did you ever encounter anything like the greys that are typically referred to? Yes. Several kinds. There is one species that most of those species who look like that are generally friendly.

[00:11:46] There's one, I believe they come from the star Betelgeuse, that they're, they take humans as slaves. They're not to be messed with. They're not nice people. But yeah, I have encountered greys. I come across a documentary recently and I forget what it was called,

[00:12:08] but they were talking about how you'd basically you'd mentioned the one they're like tall, blonde hair, blue eyed, humanoid, and look like typical humans. They're just taller. And that's who the Nazis were kind of the whole thing was like the master race idea actually came from that species.

[00:12:30] And then there was reptilians, then there was the greys, and all three of them were all interested in what was going on here. Like the greys were more or less like drones. They didn't necessarily have like they don't know who actually created the greys there.

[00:12:45] You just mainly create it to be like the drones to go out through and do the dirty work for whoever was their creators. But humans are supposedly like created from the Aryan. I don't know, like you named them,

[00:12:57] but like the ones that the areas were looking into and the reptilians were more or less the ones that created the dinosaurs or whatever. So I thought that was interesting. So it kind of goes along with a little bit of some of the stuff

[00:13:10] you're referring to as well. Yeah, I've I've seen that documentary. I don't remember what it's called, but I think it was mostly pretty accurate as far as like the historical information. Although they they did leave out there is also an insectoid species that looks like a praying mantis,

[00:13:34] but they're like 10 feet tall. That they also work with humans or with militaries at least. And they do not like us at all, but they work with us because we're. Yeah. Now this is I know just more of an opinion question,

[00:13:54] but why would if this is all going on? What is the reasoning as to why they're keeping it a secret? Like worldwide, is there any logical explanation as to why that would be that you can think of? To keep us in chains, basically think of OK.

[00:14:16] The people who are running the military are the same people who are running the corporations, the government, their politicians and corporate leaders. Essentially they don't want us to be aware that these things are happening because if we were we would be we would realize

[00:14:37] that we don't need to live the way we do. There's technology out there that like there's no need for money. There is technology that can instantly or almost instantly cure any disease. There's technology that can take us from one end of the

[00:14:57] galaxy to the other in a few seconds. Like if the average person knew about that, they would not continue to be debt slaves. That's my opinion as to why it's hidden from us personally. Yeah, and that makes sense.

[00:15:13] I don't think they'd be open about that because it would disrupt everything that they need us to do their daily lives. Exactly. So you said that you went to different planets and stuff like that. Is there anything like that stands out to you the most of

[00:15:32] the things that you had to experience? Yeah, there were some of it stands out because of how similar it is to here. I remember being on a planet. There was a city that humans lived in. The only way that the city was an exact replica of Houston, Texas.

[00:15:53] The only way you could tell the difference was because it had two sons and there were ships flying overhead. But some places were like wildly different as well. There were, I remember being in like underground cities, particularly on Mars where I had my training, military training.

[00:16:17] There was this one planet that I loved going to called Typhon, T-Y-P-H-O-N. And I don't know where it is in the galaxy, but it's what's called a hub planet where there is thousands of different species, including some humans, but not very many,

[00:16:40] but many different alien species living together peacefully. And like I got to go there frequently for like trade and such. And it was a really amazing place. There's, let's see. They can build like floating cities in gas giants, like in like Cloud City and Star Wars.

[00:17:06] There's a lot out there. There's a lot going on out there. Basically. Yeah. How did they all communicate with each other and with you? Was it like, did they actually have a language that you learned at us?

[00:17:22] Were they able to speak or was it all sort of like mind, like talk to you through their mind or how did it work? Between different species. It's nearly always telepathy, at least from what I experienced. We did also have a thing on our,

[00:17:43] well we had these things that were quite similar to iPads, but they were just a sheet of glass. So they were, we call them glass pads that they did have like an alien language translator kind of like Google translate,

[00:17:59] but usually it was telepathy with other humans in human colonies and such the lingua franca is, is almost always either English or German. Now, was there specifically, you know, I'm just, I'm just brainstorming here because of how the Nazis were all about like the blonde hair,

[00:18:23] blue eyes was there. Is that who they chose to go with them or were they choosing everyone without really caring what they look like? When they went into space, they realized that humans, no matter what they looked like have more in common

[00:18:38] with each other than they do with any other species. So they kind of stopped caring about race when they went in, when they went off planet. Like I'm part Jewish. I was never given any problems for being partly Jewish. Like, yeah.

[00:18:58] I guess I was just one of those questions I was thinking is I don't know how the way they were, if they were going to still be that way. I figured they would have kind of gotten over that once they were dealing with stuff outside of

[00:19:11] the realm of earth. Yeah, they did change quite a lot. They're still not good people by the way, but in that one particular instance, they did change for the better. Ultimately, what is their end game or being a part of this

[00:19:28] or is it just to continue their belief system? Like I said, if they're not following the same structure they were before, I don't understand what their goal is at this point. They do still want like basically a thousand year right. They're just not fixated on the racial element.

[00:19:46] So they are building out their empire and they are like subjugating people on massive, on a massive scale. They just don't care what you look like anymore. So, you know, now I've actually heard something similar from a different story of someone that claims

[00:20:08] that they were a soldier and they've been de-aged and came back like multiple times. Now, like what you were referring to, is there any instances of others you've contacted that have shared the same experience that you have? Yes. Oh yeah. I'm in contact with a number of people.

[00:20:28] I have kind of a, I have a theory that actually most people have been through this. They just don't remember it. Simply because it's so easy to like make a clone of someone and put the clone through this. Like they can just, when you're not at home,

[00:20:50] they can just portal into your bathroom, grab a few hairs off of your hair brush, and then they can make clones. But yeah, I, to answer your question, yes, I know other people who've been through this. Now the cloning aspect of it,

[00:21:07] it gets to the point to where if they're cloning you or I or anyone, at what point do they need to stop abducting the normal people if they can't just clone their own army? That's a good question and I don't know the answer.

[00:21:25] I think that there's certain instances where they need to use the original. There's certain things that clones can't do. By the way, this is a really fuzzy memory set that I'm still in the process of unlocking. But there are certain things that clones cannot do.

[00:21:46] So they kind of have to use the original sometimes. Is there any? Go ahead. There's more than one faction, by the way. There's Nazis, there's CIA groups in space, there's Marine Corps groups, there's Russian groups, there's Chinese groups. Basically everyone but you is out there

[00:22:14] and living the high life. Yes. Is there an ultimate expanse that they're trying to do within our own areas or is it just more or less something that they're just trying to do galactically? Well, there's some areas that they're very attached to.

[00:22:36] But they also tend to get kicked off of planets a lot so they are kind of bouncing all over the place. But there's some places that are very firmly in their grasp like our moon, Mars, the Alpha Centauri system is very heavily colonized and subjugated by them.

[00:23:03] But there are a lot of places recently that they've been kicked out of by what some people call the Galactic Federation, some people call them the Galactic Authority, that they're essentially the military police of this galaxy. And so recently they've been having to

[00:23:24] set up shop on different new planets. So, yeah. Is there any instances that you can recall that there was ever any like internal fighting amongst different races? Yes. There's particularly the Alpha Draconians. There's people always talk about them eating humans and bringing our blood and doing occult rituals.

[00:23:52] There is a set of them who do that but there's also a set of that race who is vehemently opposed to that. And they're trying to put a stop to it and they've been warring over it for literally millions of years. There's certain factions of the

[00:24:15] blonde blue eyed race that are fighting against each other for similar reasons. And there are a lot of races who look really, really similar to each other. So it's hard to tell if it's like in-fighting or if it's just two species who happen to

[00:24:36] look really similar that are fighting each other sometimes. Do you ever encounter anything that was not typically humanoid? I know you said the reptilians and the greys and the insectoids or anything but anything that didn't have the typical standard what we think of humans like

[00:24:54] the head to stand on two legs, two arms. Do you encounter anything bizarre for what would be for us what we think would be bizarre? Yes. I've encountered on Europa which is one of the moons of Jupiter. There's a subterranean ocean on that planet

[00:25:17] and the main sentient life form there are these bioluminescent eels that are around 100 feet long but they're very telepathic and very intelligent. Easily human intelligence if not considerably more so. I've encountered literally blobs of goo that were sentient. There's all sorts of things out there.

[00:25:50] When someone asks me what kind of sentient life forms are in space, I always say everything you can possibly imagine and a whole lot of things you can't. Did you ever encounter anything that was more like synthetic, like machine-ish almost like an android or something like that?

[00:26:11] Not that didn't have a biological component to it. I've met other people who've encountered beings that were purely artificial. I have not encountered anything like that that I recall so far. Yes, I've seen some, I've read things and I saw some stuff about how they've

[00:26:34] encountered like they weren't really they were sentient but they were more or less artificially created, they weren't like flesh and blood, they were more or less just machine that was out. Kind of like we'd send out like drones or whatever, that's kind of what these

[00:26:52] things were about, encountering stuff. They were just like androids or I don't know the exact term to use but more or less robotic. Okay. I have encountered like cyborgs like similar to the Terminator films but they had a biological component to them.

[00:27:12] They had like a human brain or an alien brain and they did have like, they breathed air, they would reproduce sexually but most of their bodily systems had been replaced by robotics. So, yeah. Okay. Yeah, I didn't know if there's like an

[00:27:36] I look at things just like with us just recently, I know we're doing a lot of AI stuff so I didn't know if they got to a point to where there was some planet that was basically the AI basically taking over and they're out

[00:27:48] exploring space now because they become sentient. I've heard other, I know people who've been to places like that, I don't recall being to places like that but that certainly doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Like, yeah. Now have you ever experienced anything with anyone that's left our actual,

[00:28:08] our own galaxy and like went to a different galaxy in general or is this all taking place within our own galaxy? I believe I've been to places that were outside our own galaxy because like the physics have worked differently there were like different laws of physics

[00:28:34] and like when I described that to someone they said that sounds like potentially in the Andromeda galaxy. So, and I know that we have set up a few little colonies in Andromeda and in the Pegasus galaxy so yeah there is stuff outside the Milky Way happening.

[00:29:00] I know for all the skeptics out there they're going to say the laws of physics are what they are but I don't think the laws of physics always apply. We're going by the laws that we've created here on Earth. It doesn't necessarily apply to stuff that we

[00:29:13] have never been to, that we know of to study, to determine what the laws of physics are on some other galaxy. So just gonna throw that out there for anyone that's questioning as to how we can say the laws of physics don't add up to somewhere. I mean

[00:29:29] it's plausible that what we consider here on Earth doesn't happen everywhere the same. Yeah, that's... Go ahead, sorry. I was just going to say like is there anything that you can recall that didn't like give a description of what would be different from like

[00:29:50] our planet to somewhere else like physically or something that... I know there's a lot of people that listen to this stuff and they don't believe people's stories. I give everyone the benefit of the doubt. Like I wasn't there, I didn't experience it

[00:30:04] but who am I to say you didn't experience this, you know? So... Because I've encountered a lot of people and I've talked to people after my episodes today and they're like I didn't believe that, why do you question that? I was like because

[00:30:17] I'm not here to ridicule or question things like that. I'll ask questions but I'm not going to sit here and say that, well I don't believe that because that doesn't make sense to me. A lot of stuff doesn't make sense to me. So...

[00:30:29] I didn't know if there's anything that you could recall that would just seem like out of the ordinary from what we were expecting here to how it would be different somewhere else. I remember this one planet in what I believe was the Andromeda galaxy where like objects would

[00:30:48] literally phase in and out of existence for no apparent reason. Which like clearly that doesn't happen here. So I don't know what... I've been recently actually reading up on like quantum mechanics and stuff to see how that might theoretically work but yeah, I've been to a planet

[00:31:11] where that happened. It was actually really terrifying to see that. Yeah. Did you ever encounter a species that wouldn't do something like they dressed in complete black, like a black cloak in like a black hood or anything like that? Uh... yeah. There's a species from the Andromeda

[00:31:40] constellation, not the galaxy. The constellation are dressed like that. They dress like the men in black basically. Uh... And also like, well I've dressed like that occasionally during like spy operation type stuff. Yep. I had an interview with someone that said that they encountered

[00:32:06] a being that was dressed in all black like you couldn't see their face, they had like a hood up cloak and they were more like a monk was the best way to describe it. And they were... There's been other, I've looked into it now,

[00:32:23] there's been some other instances where that has been brought up as well. So I didn't know if that's something you've ever actually encountered too. Like I said, they never actually saw a face because everything was blacked out from it. That's interesting. I don't remember anything like that but

[00:32:40] I could have and I don't remember it but like if you can, if anyone can imagine it, it's highly likely that it exists somewhere. Like... That's how big our universe is. Like yeah. Yeah, if you just look at it in that mindset, our galaxy has billions of stars

[00:33:01] and then there's billions of galaxies and with each star there's possibly two to three planets that might be able to hold lives. You just do the math, the possibilities are endless. Yeah, exact sight. Was there anything that you'd ever experienced that

[00:33:20] like when you come back here, you remember what's going on now? Is there something that like really the stuff that they were having you do that you kind of regret being a part of? I know not necessarily that you enjoyed the time being out there

[00:33:32] doing the stuff they've had you do but is there anything that you really look back and wish that wasn't something that you had to go through? Yeah, there have been there have been times where I've had to kill people sometimes for my own protection,

[00:33:49] sometimes just because I was following orders. There have been stuff where I was tracking fugitives and like looking back on it now I'm sure that those people whenever I tracked them down were probably quite brutally tortured because I mean again like we're dealing with

[00:34:12] Nazis here and I mean I was a part of their civilization so I didn't know the things I know now where that they're really not good people but like they were in general I kind of wish I hadn't been a part of their civilization.

[00:34:33] Although the American groups aren't really any better so yeah. I think all the government groupings that do all the stuff that we don't really know I guess necessarily I guess we don't need to know or want to know. I don't think any of them are all that great

[00:34:52] to be honest but that's just me. I agree. And is there a instance to where you said that they you got sent back you were the age or anything do you know how many times that this has happened that you're aware of?

[00:35:07] I know there must be at least six because I've remembered six different phases of being out there of being in space. Three of which were with the Nazis the other three were in different groups one of them was in a corporate group I don't know which

[00:35:31] operation but something where I was finding alien artifacts one of them was for the CIA where that's actually on Earth Earth-based operations in Vietnam, Saudi Arabia, Tibet, Argentina. One of them was for a branch of the United States Navy known as Solar Warden which is

[00:36:01] they're essentially the border police for the solar system. Yeah I get taken a lot and used a lot and yeah. When they take you do you believe they're taking you physically or are they taking I don't know like you just your energy your consciousness

[00:36:22] and taking that. I know that's an odd question to word it that way but like I know what you mean. It depends on the group most American groups I believe will take your consciousness or a piece of it and put it in a clone body

[00:36:43] that I mean those clone bodies can look like literally anything. The German Nazi group they take me in this body the one that is speaking to you right now. Now the process of de-aging and bringing back it would almost be at the point of like almost

[00:37:01] time control like time machine being able to control time is that something that they're doing or is that am I not understanding because I'm trying to rationalize here how it's possible for someone to go somewhere spend years and then come back to the same time

[00:37:19] that they were younger because if you've done this six times theoretically you would be a lot older than what you have been because it should start back in 2001 or 2007 I think you said that would make you about you should be in your early 20s at this rate but

[00:37:37] if you experience this six times through all those years you'd be up there in age. So I'm just trying to wrap my head around how it's possible that they'd be able to do the whole time thing. To put it simply you can be in two places at once.

[00:37:56] They, time loops and time travel are very possible and this has been scientifically proven not in the mainstream what what you'll learn in school but like if you look on the internet if you look up like academic articles about time travel and time dilation

[00:38:20] there have been many people who've researched it and have proven it's theoretically possible. You can even find public patents for like time machines and things like that. The age, the de-aging I struggle myself to wrap my head around. I believe it has something to do with like

[00:38:43] nanotechnology that goes in at they inject you with like nanites and it goes in and like alters you literally at a cellular level and brings you back to whatever age and then they use time travel technology to put you back wherever.

[00:39:07] Yeah it's a lot to wrap your head around. Yeah I said for anyone out there listening to try and understand this it's definitely a head scratcher sometimes but that's what I find fascinating about everything is just because it doesn't make a whole lot of sense

[00:39:25] doesn't mean it's not a possibility. I feel like they're then the universe is endless so there's always going to be endless possibilities. We don't necessarily know everything we might think we do. Obviously you're not. Okay yeah I agree with that and like if anyone is skeptical

[00:39:49] hold on one second okay sorry if anyone is really skeptical and they want information they can find me on Facebook Messenger like I have I've done extensive research into this I've found like many academic articles and like I said even patents for the technology I talk about

[00:40:16] that prove that this stuff is it's been scientifically proven to be possible it's just not mainstream so I can prove that all of this is possible at the very least on a theoretical level if people really if people are genuinely curious like yeah I'm not asking for anyone

[00:40:43] they can look it up too if they want their own proof they don't need to come to you for the proof I mean the research is out there they can start looking into things. If people really are curious and like I understand that

[00:40:55] I didn't believe it at first either when I was getting these memories I researched a lot trying to debunk what I was remembering and I could not debunk it so eventually I came to a point where I had to believe in myself basically like yeah

[00:41:10] so I understand if people want like at least theoretical proof so yeah I have that information you said you started to recall all this back about three years ago was there any reason as to why you started to remember this

[00:41:28] or it just out of the blue started happening or? I came across a video I heard I was watching a TV show called Stranger Things and you've probably heard of it but in the first season of that show they mentioned

[00:41:52] Project MK Ultra and I was watching it with someone I don't even remember who now and they mentioned funny they're mentioning that in a sci-fi show when that actually happened and I was like what the hell? That can't be true but like I researched it

[00:42:10] and I really went down that rabbit hole and at first I was not making any connection that something like that might have happened to me but I as I was researching it I came across a video on a YouTube channel called Super Soldier Talk which was an interview

[00:42:34] with a woman by the name of Penny Bradley and she was talking about doing the same things I did and that was very triggering for me that video was and that was like a I don't know if I'm allowed to curse on this show

[00:42:52] but that was an oh shit moment for me and like I because like I said I'd had some little weird memories my whole life that I just told myself were weird dreams but that video kind of opened up floodgates and so I started researching

[00:43:22] all of this and like memories were just coming back and they haven't stopped so yeah yeah I know a lot of people I won't say a lot but I know several that I've interviewed already and I've discussed things with they all seem to believe that

[00:43:43] at first they think they're just dreaming and then it starts to become more they start to understand it and see it a little bit more and they realize that they're not actually dreaming but it seems like the dreaming is where it all begins

[00:43:58] so it's kind of what I was asking about what the whole consciousness is when you're sleeping are they taking you physically physically are they taking your conscience out that's why that's just one of the questions that I have like it to me it's if they're taking a person

[00:44:16] someone that would be around that person would notice that they're not there they're gone so it's like almost they'd have to freeze time in essence or something like that if the body is still there the person

[00:44:31] still there they don't notice that they're missing and they're gone all these years and they come back I don't know I just try to wrap my head around things so that is there's a phenomenon called time dilation that you can look up that

[00:44:49] like I said basically you can be in two places at once where they can take you use you then using time dilation and they'll send you back in time to when they took you or a few seconds after usually

[00:45:07] they can't usually do it right at the exact moment but like within a few seconds of initially taking you and then put you back and no one will notice anything theoretically if that's the possibility of how it works I think that's the thing about

[00:45:31] people who are able to get to their own self from the future that has even further reach and more advanced be able to come back to their own time and like give them more information I'm thinking it like it's almost like a paradox type of a situation

[00:45:51] yeah there's I struggle to wrap my head around this and I'm living it sort of like Dr. Who who like will try to prevent paradoxes as much as possible but also the versions of ourselves who are in these projects they're forbidden from knowing anything

[00:46:14] about what the versions of us on earth are doing so like I'm not saying it's not it's completely impossible that they could show up and make contact but it's extremely difficult and rare and then like whoever is controlling it if they found out they would just

[00:46:38] time travel again to prevent that from happening so yeah I feel like with time travel it almost opens the door to like alternate dimensions or universes or whatever you want to call it different aspects you start looking at the time essence that way like the decision

[00:46:59] you made at this point at another timeline you didn't make it that way if that makes any sense yeah I think that is pretty much how it works like there are like branching versions there are other universes there are branching timeline versions of this universe it's really complicated

[00:47:23] and like honestly like I think humans are not really even equipped to understand it or to be messing with it but some of them are anyway if that makes any sense yeah I feel like we don't use most of our brain

[00:47:41] I'm pretty sure I don't like I said I don't know the exact terminology or the exact percentage but I read somewhere before we only use a certain percentage of our brain capacity and if we were able to unlock the full

[00:47:56] power of our brain they claim we'd be able to do and see things more than what we are right now because right now they have us kind of set to not expand that knowledge and I've kind of wondered if that's not by design like they

[00:48:14] don't want us to know everything yeah I I'm inclined to say yes because like I've never seen a race a species that was as in the dark as we are I don't think it's natural to be this unaware and this controlled you know like yes the other

[00:48:38] civilizations they're probably a lot older than what we are too like far as like evolutionary timelines so is that something that also plays a factor into things to where like they're obviously a lot more evolved they've had millions to billions of years more advancements and we have

[00:49:02] if you go if you bite into our evolutionary timeline that is probably yeah and also like what I was told is that earth is essentially a farm humans earth humans because there are humans on other planets but like earth humans especially we're a product we're not

[00:49:29] considered a part of the galactic community were barely considered even fully conscious beings and that's why we don't get taught things like you wouldn't teach like a cow or a sheep the wonders of the universe would you now that's actually what I was just

[00:49:50] kind of thinking about as like you they look at us as if we're not so much cattle but we're inferior to them like we wouldn't go out and teach our dog calculus yeah exactly so I think that's that does make sense to at least to me

[00:50:05] it makes sense yes well is there any other things that you would like to discuss because I think we've been going on for about an hour and I didn't know if there's anything that you really want to focus on or you've kind of dabbled into

[00:50:20] some of the stuff you wanted to talk about I've gotten I think we've done at least a pretty good overview of this stuff I'd be honored to come back on some other time if you wanted me but one thing I just want to put out there

[00:50:38] is that people need to be aware of this that these aren't good people or nice people who are doing this to people like me and that it needs to I don't think it can really be stopped but it needs to be called out so that maybe

[00:50:56] conditions will improve because they basically they need to start at the very least using consenting adults not trafficked children to do this for them if they must continue doing whatever it is they're doing I want people aware that

[00:51:17] I didn't choose to do this none of the people who I've contacted who also were in this to do this we were all taken as children and mind controlled and treated basically like pieces of machinery and if you're a part of this I hope that you remember

[00:51:38] and I hope that you're able to come forward about this and help the rest of us put a stop to it because we need people who remember it to be public at least with their stories if not with who they are because I don't show who I actually

[00:51:59] am publicly I mean I don't show my face I don't use my real name but our stories are important is what I'm trying to get at basically yeah and I've said that from the get-go that I try to keep everything

[00:52:17] honestly so if anyone's out there listening and they would like to share you can always shoot me a message because I do believe that these stories need to get out there as well and I understand that the average person is not going

[00:52:32] to go out there and tell us on a podium to scream at the top of their lungs for everyone because they're going to be looked at as well as persons crazy so I understand the whole anonymity aspect of everything so definitely is there now this is me

[00:52:50] lightning striking me in the head for a second is there any place that you know of where others can discuss this instance like I know there's like the Facebook groupings or anything but you said that they can get a hold of you on like Facebook Messenger

[00:53:02] is there a specific group that you're a part of that they can find you at? Yes there's a private Messenger group that I'm an admin of if someone thinks they were in these projects they can PM me and I'll vet them to potentially be a part of this

[00:53:23] part of this group and they can discuss their experiences there unfortunately we've had to deal with some people causing issues in that group so now we do have to like vet them but yeah I didn't know I know there's certain

[00:53:47] one of the people I've been dealing with they set up a ProtonMail account because it's completely encrypted email and they have people I included their information like the email address inside the notes of the show so when it airs

[00:53:59] they have a way to get contacted by everything so I didn't know if that was something that you've looked into doing or I've only so far been on Messenger and Instagram I've been thinking about getting a ProtonMail account and I will be making a Facebook post in

[00:54:20] that group where you and I met at least if we if I do set one up so people can reach me so yeah I'll send me an offline Messenger whatever I can include for the show for when it does air so but I think that'll be

[00:54:41] wrap it up for today I'll definitely have you back for more I do appreciate you I know we played a tag here and there to try to get this episode recorded but I'm glad

[00:54:53] to be able to get it through and definitely appreciate you coming out and talking with me yeah thank you for having me and again if you have any anything else pops up or anything else that you want to talk about

[00:55:05] just send me a message but yeah I'll definitely be back in contact with you for a future episode okay well thanks it was nice being on yeah it was great to have you out here appreciate it that's the interview with John again that was recorded back in

[00:55:25] October of 2022 I reached out to John recently he has now wrote a book I have a link to that book in the show notes for anyone that is interested kind of keeps an update with what he's been doing

[00:55:37] I think the book is based off of some of the stuff that he said he's experienced while being a part of the secret space program so for anyone that is interested I highly recommend you go to the website and check out John's book as I'd

[00:55:49] mentioned earlier the secret space program is one of those topics that I've always been somewhat a little skeptical about just because I don't fully understand how you're able to travel through time and take people's consciousness and put them in clones and why

[00:56:01] you need to do all that if you could control time there's just a lot of questions I have but who am I to say that that is not a possibility because I fully don't understand it and I'm not here

[00:56:10] to try and prove or disprove anyone so I wanted to take a deep dive back into this and kind of look down into the old bag of episodes and I thought this would be a great one to start off with

[00:56:19] so I hope you guys enjoyed the first rendition of Sunday's second look I'm going to try and do this every Sunday find an old episode edit it a little bit add some updates to it toss it out there for you guys if you haven't had a chance

[00:56:31] listen to the original but I hope you guys enjoyed it please leave some feedback and again if you would like to be on an episode of tin foil tells reach out to me at tin foil tells podcast at gmail.com or go to tinfoil tells dot com

[00:56:43] and go to the contact section whatever way works for you works for me so make sure to reach out we'll get some schedule but again thanks for listening thanks for John for the updates and for the original interview good night everyone