Ep. 81: The Truth About Flying Saucers

[00:00:00] And I just turned around and I pulled ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with that.

[00:00:12] They had pockersia at the cold as one of the things that turned me away the quickest.

[00:00:21] When I turned my headlights on it turned and looked at us and one of the things I remember the most were the eyes were glowing the wrist.

[00:00:31] I see an orb of light. It is just circling. These steps like it is waiting for me.

[00:00:41] And he begins to tell them that he saw you a flow. They're basically like what are you talking about?

[00:00:48] That's seven foot of my tree peaking around it. And that's where I saw the top of the muzzle.

[00:00:57] Nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, it felt like death.

[00:01:06] Welcome back to Tinfoil Tales. I'm your host Brandon Wright.

[00:01:10] Today's episode we're going to be joined by writer Lee. He is the host of Raised By Giants Podcast.

[00:01:16] Podcast deals with a lot of topics that we talk about here at Tinfoil Tales, so I wanted to get him on here trying to dive into some of the things that he discusses on there.

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[00:03:18] I'd like to take the time to welcome my guest today, Ryder Lee. Make sure you're coming on here and talking with me.

[00:03:26] Thanks so much for having me honest a little early in the morning but you know how we do.

[00:03:30] Yep, so I don't usually do during the morning hour recordings usually it's a night thing but sometimes it's a time frame just don't work out that way.

[00:03:40] But glad you're able to make it on here this morning with me.

[00:03:44] No problem. We'll come super early for you. I didn't get it done the other day. I had like three shows in a row that I had to take care of that I made prior commitments for so thanks for having me on looking forward to getting into it.

[00:03:59] Yeah, not a problem. Do you want to let the audience know a little bit about yourself?

[00:04:03] Yes, my name is Ryder Lee. I host and produce a podcast YouTube channel called Raised by Giants. You can find it on Indian All Podcast platforms and on YouTube on

[00:04:16] Rackvin Rumble and Odyssey where I just really dive deep into certain topics that spark my interest in.

[00:04:29] I've gone from spirituality to.

[00:04:33] Remove viewing to in pay ultra to UFO cults.

[00:04:37] And right now I'm on a series called the legends of UFO. I'm going back and examining the people that popularized UFO.

[00:04:52] And the entire narrative in dissecting everything that they said because

[00:05:00] nine times out of 10 when you dive deep into these people, it's nothing like what it seems. And we've really let the UFO and extraterrestrial speculation grow so far out of hand that I personally believe that it serves to make people easily fooled.

[00:05:22] By scammers, grifters, fraudsters and the problem in the narrative that we've created is that people really prefer the lies instead of the truth. And

[00:05:37] when people with these whistleblowers and these people that come out of it's been talking about this stuff, they bring zero evidence and zero proof to anything that they're saying.

[00:05:47] What's could mean that a group of people or individual or government could use this modern myth of extraterrestrials and UFOs that could be bent upon destroying and undermining our society through the deceptiveness, missing this information surrounding ufology.

[00:06:18] And the current contact the movement that started with the gentleman named Samuel Eden Thompson in 1950. That no one talks about because they've never heard of him.

[00:06:30] His story was overshadowed by Kenneth Arnold sightings in 1947 and then later on Betty and Barney Hill in 1961.

[00:06:39] Just like no one talks about George Van Tassel, which was the first person to claim to channel and have contact with the ash targol act in man in 1952 or George King from the a theorist society or Dorothy Martin from the seekers UFO called in 1954.

[00:06:56] But this whole contact the in extraterrestrial movement can really only be described in a way that he's done really other better way to put it but a mental illness that can be specifically tied to the rise and the popularization of the extraterrestrial.

[00:07:26] This is a huge aspect of ufology that literally no one wants to talk about because it's a huge issue.

[00:07:34] So my belief is that human actions are based upon imagination, belief and faith. It's not objective observation.

[00:07:48] And I'm pretty sure that the government, the military and the politicians and everyone know this. You can pretty much track everything back to emotion and fear.

[00:08:00] And the question then becomes can we control human imagination? Can we shape and mold the world's collective destiny, the world's collective view?

[00:08:11] And if we can, how do we do that? Well, how you do it is by making sure that the source of the control is never identifiable by the public.

[00:08:20] And then you can prepare the public for unavoidable changes in the near future and push the collective mind in a desirable direction that you want.

[00:08:32] And that's why it's important that these intelligence agencies and even advertising companies, commercials, they're very interested in mythology and things that may or may not be true because it can be used to shape and mold the collective consciousness.

[00:08:54] This is where we've really seen the rise in the contact movement and ufology as a whole which is used to play with our imagination, which represents experimentation of weaponized folklore, rising superstition.

[00:09:13] And really, where this entire thing starts is with a man named Kenneth Arnold. This is modern times not where the phenomenon starts. It tracks back way further in the past, but they weren't called UFOs or flying saucers back then before Kenneth Arnold.

[00:09:31] There were shields, there were pillars, there were chariots flying fire chariots. I'm just seeing that it starts with Kenneth Arnold in modern times because that is where we get the flying saucer narrative begin to spread up.

[00:09:50] Not in we're talking about the title here, not the phenomenon because the phenomenon is something separate.

[00:09:59] And it goes back way further than 1947. But again, they weren't called flying saucers. Kenneth Arnold kicked off the term flying saucers and for the people that aren't familiar with who Kenneth Arnold was.

[00:10:16] He was a very well respected aviator businessman and later on a politician. He was the first person in modern times.

[00:10:28] Remember that modern times to witness a and report a strange craft in the sky. So around 3 p.m. approximately 3 p.m. on June 24th, 1947.

[00:10:39] Kenneth Arnold was piloting his A2 plane in the skies near Mount Rainier Washington searching for a missing marine aircraft and witnessed the string of 9 objects at approximately 10,000 feet.

[00:10:54] He said that they flew with amazing speeds of what he estimated to be 1500 miles an hour. He said that the objects locked tails reflected sunlight.

[00:11:04] And after he witnessed these craft, he landed his plane in Yakima, Washington and told his friend Al Baxter about the sighting Arnold then shared a story with other pilots and they told him that well, maybe what you saw was an experimental military aircraft or military missiles.

[00:11:20] Which is a pretty dang good explanation but Arnold not being 100% convinced by these explanation of his fellow pilots and friends.

[00:11:32] He walked into a local news station and told a story to a gentleman named Nolan Schiff. Now Nolan Schiff published an article with a headline that read something like impossible, but maybe seen is believing.

[00:11:47] And the story was then forwarded to the associated price for worldwide distribution and the term flying salsa was born. Now it's important in the beginning to realize that Kenneth Arnold was very reserved about his account and the craft that he witnessed, but as the story progressed in the public interest became very popular and this entire thing turns into a media frenzy.

[00:12:13] Now it's important when you're looking at Kenneth Arnold's testimony, which he did a lot of interviews and a lot of radio shows. He never used the term flying salsa to describe the shape of the craft.

[00:12:25] He said that it was bat shaped, crescent shaped, boomerang shaped with wings. Sometimes he would refer to it as half moon shaped and often he said that his comments on his sightings were misunderstood and he ended up working very hard into the end of his life in 1984.

[00:12:43] To combat this flying salsa narrative that the media had placed on him. So,

[00:12:51] Kenneth Arnold came out with sketches. He drew to describe what he saw and the sketches doesn't even come close to the commonly accepted version of what UFOs look like and what there what has been popularized surrounding UFOs.

[00:13:07] Now what it happened was Nolan Skiff, the journalist that published Arnold's story in the newspaper said that Arnold cited nine saucer-like aircraft.

[00:13:18] The media took the saucer-like aircraft and ran with it and created a headline scene. Salsa-shaped craft were spotted when Arnold never referred to the shape of the craft being saucer-shaped. It was bat shaped, crescent shaped, half moon shaped.

[00:13:33] And sometimes he would even say that it was shaped like a pipe in any United Press interview.

[00:13:43] Arnold said that there were half moon shaped oval in the front and convex in the back which is the very description of the drawing that he came out with.

[00:13:53] So, in June of 1947 Arnold came out with this drawing. It's a bat-shaped circular and winged in the back.

[00:14:06] And you would think that with Arnold coming out with the drawing of the craft it was stop all the disc talk and the flying saucer talk but it didn't.

[00:14:15] And this becomes such a frenzy topic with everyone reporting strange craft now and that they were seeing the same things that Arnold was seeing in Arnold's quote several times talking about other eyewitnesses and people that were seeing strange things in the sky at that time.

[00:14:34] And he said that what other people were seeing are completely different. There's something else or there nothing at all. So Kenneth Arnold was telling people back in July of 1947.

[00:14:45] That they were just making stuff up right. Another quote from Arnold states that he feels that it should be labeled a strange type of aircraft instead of flying saucers. So in April of 1950 Arnold finally comes out and talks about the misquote, the misrepresentation on flying saucers.

[00:15:09] Arnold said that the objects that he witnessed fluttered like they were boats on very rough water. And this next part is very important because this is where the misquote and the mis translation and everything happened from these journalists in these newspaper headlines.

[00:15:25] He said when the craft flew, they flew like a saucer throwing across water. And all the newspapers and the journalists misunderstood and misquoted him saying that the craft were saucer in shape when Arnold said that they flew like a saucer skipping across water.

[00:15:50] And if you really track back the flying saucer name, which is this is the most perplexing part of the entire thing and people that know about this don't know what to think about it. And those that don't have never heard of it.

[00:16:12] Now when you get into what the term flying saucer already was before it was associated with UFOs, flying saucers was a sport that predated Arnold sightings by over 60 years.

[00:16:29] What's the name of the sport was called trap shooting which started in the 1800s as a way to train hunters and shooters in which they would release live birds from a cage and use them as target practice.

[00:16:43] And later on after it became you know, cruel to shoot live animals, it was changed to these little clay flat dust.

[00:16:57] And they were named flying saucers by a man by a man named George Lewinsky in 1880. He dubbed these little clay pigeons flying saucers.

[00:17:10] So I hope everyone is listening to see where this is going. So by the early 1900s flying saucers clay pigeons have become a very popular sport.

[00:17:23] There were championships competitions and newspaper headlines that would say the skies of North America are covered in flying saucers flying to the air exploding and falling to earth, which is the exact same phrases.

[00:17:38] Of what everyone thought several decades later with Kenneth Arnold sightings the Roswell incident and the sightings in the 50s.

[00:17:50] Just a coincidence, right? So yeah, by the 20th century the name flying saucer had become a commonplace name being used for over two decades.

[00:18:01] The sport of flying saucers become so popular it was adopted by the Olympics in 1916.

[00:18:08] The number of participants in the sport of flying saucers was 600,000 people in the US that all knew the term flying saucers they called these little clay pigeons flying saucers.

[00:18:19] The military even adopted it to train their soldiers in target practice in the beginning of World War II. You have to put that one together for yourself.

[00:18:27] And as World War II permeated, trap shooting started to die off with people in the public. In the public eye, people started losing interest in it.

[00:18:39] And there was even an oppressed statement that was released this side.

[00:18:44] Your uncle Sam has sounded the call to all of you sportsmen who have 12 gauge shotguns to hand them over to him and the boys in the air corpse can sharpen up their wingshooting and shotguns will be used by the young aerial gunners to smash the flying clay saucers and bring them to the ground.

[00:19:06] So we have played pigeons being called flying saucers since 1880 hundreds and thousands of people being familiar with the term the military adopted the term in the practice in the early 40s during World War II.

[00:19:20] And two years after the war ended, we get the term flying saucer but under a different context. This is really all laid out in a book called Saulsers by Chris Albeck.

[00:19:34] He's been on my show several times and I really recommend his book Saulsers. You can get it on Amazon Prime. It really lays out all of the history of trap shooting. He shows you how popular of a sport trap shooting was and how popular of a sport.

[00:19:54] The sport of flying saucers was so what we have here is that the entire subject of ufology is based on a fallacy in ufology has been using the shape of a round disk when it was never described by Arnold as a desk or a flying saucer.

[00:20:11] So we've literally had the shape wrong this entire time for 77 years. We've essentially been telling and regurgitating a misrepresentation of what Arnold said that he saw.

[00:20:22] And out of Arnold's own words, what others claim to have reported at the time wasn't the same or was nothing at all.

[00:20:32] And I really challenge anybody to find a quote of Arnold saying that the shape of the craft of a saucer in shape. Not what other people have quoted him as saying because they obviously got it wrong and misinterpreted his words, but find a quote of Kenneth Arnold himself saying that the craft he witnessed in June of 1947 was a flying saucer.

[00:20:57] You can't and you won't because it doesn't exist. The flying saucer mythology is a liar. It's a fallacy, it's a misnomer, it's a misrepresented quote from newspapers, reporters and journalists and researchers.

[00:21:12] And in the shape of the craft that this flying saucer is still the most popular symbol of ufology to this very day.

[00:21:20] Even though it's not called flying saucers anymore, flying saucers are the basis in the root of modern ufology. Every conference, every UFO documentary, every YouTube channel thumbnail uses the flying saucer art when it's a lie that's never what they look like.

[00:21:37] So let's a little history on Kenneth Arnold.

[00:21:43] So even my artwork, I didn't, I used to I generated the stuff but it looks like there's a little UFO inside of it as well. Like the little flying saucer, but again that's just like you said, it's the common go to when someone mentions a UFO raining like that they think of a flying saucer because that's just was been pushed on us.

[00:22:04] That's exactly right. That's been the popularized thing and I use it to I use it to use it in a lot of my thumbnails as well, so it's not I'm not going after people that are using the flying saucer shape. It's just the most it's just the thing that's represented along with ufology but that was done on purpose.

[00:22:29] What was the Kenneth Arnold thing 47 and that was right before Roswell. Yes.

[00:22:38] Because with Roswell, I know they come out and said they had recovered flying saucer. Then the next day they come back and retracted that statement so that also I think spread the whole flying saucer phenomenon.

[00:22:51] Exactly in George Lewitsky, the guy that created the sport of flying saucers said the exact same thing when he came up with the idea of the sport of flying saucers in 1880.

[00:23:07] 67 years before Kenneth Arnold, he said the exact same thing that he got the idea of using these little clay flat disk. These little clay flying saucers from watching kids toss saucers across the water.

[00:23:26] Make make that one makes sense as the exact same thing that Kenneth Arnold said 67 years later that how he described the way that the craft flew.

[00:23:36] Some believe well, so you got trapped shooting and started in 1880 which should all revolved around this term flying saucer.

[00:23:44] 67 years later, well the military adopted it basically took it out of the public eye just like how the military and the three letter organizations and the government has taken ufology from the public.

[00:23:58] Then you have Kenneth Arnold's in modern times right that's exactly what they've done. They've taken over, they've changed the name it's no longer UFOs as u ap's so when you do a FOIA request and you type in send a letter to do a FOIA request and you type in UFOs in the letter they're going to send you back a letter and say that they have no information, no study, no anything on UFOs.

[00:24:28] You have to type in you have to put uap. Yeah, they've changed the name again.

[00:24:36] Yeah because now it's a identified aerial phenomena and I talked to someone recently about that that the whole UFO term is basically now away for them to get away from it like you just said they don't have to answer questions for UFOs because they don't have anything on UFOs they have uap's.

[00:24:58] That's right. It's all just a way to keep people out of the loop.

[00:25:04] Yep and it's like I was mentioning, it's turned into a government three letter organization military disclosure just like what they did before we were to with the flying saucers desk that flying saucer trap shooting desk.

[00:25:23] They took that away from the public as well. What was Kenneth Arnold actual description I don't remember if you mentioned it or not but I think I've never actually heard anything described other than my flying saucer but did he ever really come out and say what he saw.

[00:25:42] Yeah, he said that the craft lactails he said that the craft was shiny reflective sunlight and had it was shaped like a half moon shape bats shaped boomerang shaped.

[00:25:59] I mean he used a bunch of different descriptors to describe the shape of the craft in the way that the craft flew but they misrepresented and misquoted him for seeing that the way that the craft flew for the shape of the craft.

[00:26:17] So he said the craft flew like saucers skipping across the water and the newspaper reporters and the newspaper headlines misquoted him by saying that the shape of the craft was saucer and shape.

[00:26:37] I've seen never said the if you get if you wanted to just pull up Kenneth Arnold really quickly on Google and look at his drawing of the craft it looks suspiciously like the B two stealth bomber.

[00:26:54] It looks like one of the very first prototypes or renditions of a B two stealth bomber.

[00:27:03] Yeah, I remember I've seen this on the before almost there reminds me like a the battering like from Batman to an extent like the way he drew it or whatever has got that present moon shape is got like a little point in the middle and it comes back out against almost was like the Batman symbol minus the pop piece.

[00:27:25] I've seen that before and I didn't connect with me in Kenneth Arnold I've seen that photo floated around but now it makes sense that that's what he'd said he'd seen but every time I've ever heard of Kenneth Arnold they've always said oh he was the guy to solve a flying saucer.

[00:27:42] That's right you never said that that's the that is the misnomer yeah I said when any time you look up Kenneth Arnold if you ever hear him talk about it or whatever like.

[00:27:55] Apparently on Amazon it says he has a book called coming of the saucers which if you wrote a book I don't know if that's true or not that's just which is popping up here on Google.

[00:28:04] It's strange that he would call it saucers when his original description wasn't a saucer.

[00:28:10] Well, that's the thing Kenneth Arnold started changing his ideas and his thoughts whenever the media jumped on it and that was the popular term to use later on he did start referring to it as.

[00:28:25] You would call it a disc he also started changing his ideas and his thoughts surrounding it as jellyfish you said the craft were biological entities and they can change shape and change density level and he started referring to them all as jellyfish I mean this wasn't the.

[00:28:51] This is the problem is that Kenneth Arnold's he never said that about his first sighting.

[00:28:58] He never said that the shape of the craft was saucer shape now what people don't realize is that Kenneth Arnold had eight other sightings after his initial sighting in 1947.

[00:29:13] And no one talks about his other sightings that he had during that time so he was seeing this stuff well what he described as strange craft almost every year up until 1954.

[00:29:34] His second sighting was just a month after his first sighting in July of 1947 where he was flying this plane from Idaho to Oregon and saw a cluster of 2225 brass colored objects that he said look like ducks.

[00:29:55] And these ones appeared to be round and rough on the top he said that they flew in like a cluster more more like black birds than ducks but according to him they weren't ducks right.

[00:30:09] But he had many other sightings and a lot of these other sightings have gotten conflicted and mixed in with his original sightings.

[00:30:22] Do you find it strange that out of all the pilots that were flying and everything he's the one that keeps seeing this stuff though that's what I start to wonder about red flags being thrown up just because.

[00:30:33] If he saw one thing that a month later he's seen something else but no one else reporting seeing this stuff.

[00:30:38] It's almost like he's just saying it now for attention I mean as a skeptic looking at that's where I would someone would come at it from is like why is it always just this one guy seeing all the same stuff like all this weird stuff in the sky when there's other pilots not seen it.

[00:30:51] That's exactly what happened in the popularization he.

[00:30:57] He basically became famous overnight is what happened there would get thousands and thousands of letters from to his address and his wife would always be complaining about how many letters and stuff that they would receive.

[00:31:12] From his initial sighting so when something becomes popular a lot of times it is.

[00:31:24] It's like making a sequel to a movie right you want to make the sequel bigger better more fantastic but it never quite goes over as well as the first one.

[00:31:41] That's kind of what I was just thinking if he got popular from the first thing and he's like oh no I want to keep that popularity I gotta give him new information and it discredits what he actually saw if he did see something originally.

[00:31:56] If he's going and making up stuff now afterwards why are we to believe that the first thing he said wasn't just made up in the first place.

[00:32:08] That's right you just have to mail in the head.

[00:32:13] That's always trying to keep a skeptics approach to things so I want to believe and I know there's weird stuff that goes on and everything but I always try and look back at it more from a skeptical stance so like just when someone starts saying they've had this experience they had this experience and this can relate to not to discredit any of the guests I've had or will have but like.

[00:32:36] If someone tells me that they've been abducted by aliens but they've also seen bigfoot multiple times and they've seen a dog man and they've had this and they just like all these stories get so fantastical it's like i'm starting to step back and look at it from a perspective of why are you the only one experience in so much activity.

[00:33:00] Like what makes you different from other people i'm not saying that everyone's the same or anything like that but like it almost seems too far fetched that one person has experienced so many different things on topics that are.

[00:33:15] Not even provable like not even accepted by the mainstream or whatever like these are considered.

[00:33:22] We will topics that's like it's hard to believe that some one person can experience so many different things.

[00:33:33] Because they're not and i'm glad that you've taken that stance so early on you know i wish that I would have looked at this stuff critical more critical and had more.

[00:33:50] Common sense into it but in the beginning you know eventually i got there and that's what you realize is.

[00:34:00] That if that a lot of these people are just making this shut up.

[00:34:05] They just start they've regurgitated the law.

[00:34:09] The law comes in many forms and as we're going to get into in the second part of this show is you know Paul Benowitz and all the myths and disinformation that was.

[00:34:20] Given to him by extra trestials and well given to him by three letter organizations the Air Force the NSA and the FBI.

[00:34:32] The FBI is really where all of these theories and speculations about UFOs and extra trestials really came from it's literally where the Dulce base with Phil Schneider that's where all that myth and lore and legend came from.

[00:34:52] It was the seeds of the Roswell event it was the seeds of alien implants it was the seeds of cattle mutilations being connected with UFOs and extra trestials and.

[00:35:07] It's a very fascinating discussion but whenever you dive deep into it you can normally track all this stuff back to an original source and.

[00:35:17] If that original source is being fed missing disinformation or is just making stuff up then you can pretty much verify that the things that people are talking about to this very day are also fake and made up.

[00:35:33] I so really quickly want to run through because I don't know how much time we have left on the show I just want to run through Paul Benowitz's background here a little bit.

[00:35:42] Paul Benowitz was born in Kansas he earned a bachelor's degree at Arizona State during World War II he was a radio electronics engineer for the Coast Guard.

[00:35:54] He worked as an engineer for San Francisco CBS station and a radio station in Tucson on February 25th 1949 Benowitz married his wife Cindy brunch and Phoenix Arizona in 1953 Benowitz moved to New Mexico and started working in.

[00:36:12] He was a very good sales he later began his own industrial sales company in 1966 Benowitz he acquired the rights to a humidity sensor from.

[00:36:27] Arizona New Mexico National Laboratories he founded a his own company named Thunder Scientific it was a small family business with his wife Cindy and they would develop high powered instruments for NASA and the Air Force so.

[00:36:44] During the 70s Benowitz became a member of Arizona's aerial phenomenon research organization which was a civilian UFO group.

[00:36:54] And by the mid 70s cattle mutilations had started becoming associated with UFOs so on April 20th 1979 US Attorney attorney R.E. Thompson and US Senator Harrison Schmidt how they public meeting about cattle mutilations.

[00:37:16] The meeting was attended by around 80 people one attendee was Paul Benowitz this entire meeting was set up by the FBI now some say at this meeting about cattle mutilations is where the targeting by government agents.

[00:37:37] Most likely first happened against Paul Benowitz because at the meeting Paul Benowitz was introduced to a highway patrol officer named Gabe Valdez who was investigating these cattle mutilations in some UFO experiences which is very important to remember for later on in the discussion so.

[00:38:04] Benowitz later listed July 1979 as the beginning of a personally funded study into UFOs because Benowitz reportedly began filming.

[00:38:16] Stranger lights and recording unusual radio signals over Kirkland Air Force base in New Mexico so Paul Benowitz would walk out his back door of his house on the back patio Kirkland Air Force base was only about a half a mile away you can see the base from his house you see these strange lights mainly two bright lights slowly.

[00:38:46] The lift the up off of the ground and with zip around and then go around the mountain so if you're seeing something strange over a military base common sense and critical thinking would tell you that it's military as a military doing something experimental right so Paul being a radio expert he was a World War II veteran working in.

[00:39:16] Radio technology for the Coast Guard he decided to try and listen into some of the communications at Kirkland Air Force base to try and figure out what these strange lights that he was seeing was.

[00:39:32] And if you could listen in maybe the military knows what these strange lights are so he decided to decode a bunch of these transmissions.

[00:39:45] There were only kind of like halfway.

[00:39:48] The coded he was only able to get a little bit of like what they were saying and he put it together himself that it was about technology and that the technology wasn't from here.

[00:40:01] That it was extra terrestrial technology so that began his journey into this extra terrestrial and UFO realm so in October of 1980 Paul been with contacted Kirkland Air Force base to report his findings like a good citizen would do if you're seeing strange stuff you're going to contact the military base to see what's going on.

[00:40:31] So in November of 1980 been a what's briefed officers in the generals at Kirkland Air Force base on his findings.

[00:40:41] The military personnel wanted to send an Air Force agent to Paul Benowitz's house because they wanted to make sure that it wasn't a Soviet threat or another country or someone planning to invade the base.

[00:40:58] So to figure out more about what Paul Benowitz knew and to make sure it wasn't a threat they put him in contact with a man named Richard Dodie.

[00:41:08] Richard Dodie is an AFS AF OSI Air Force Office of Special Investigations Paul not really knowing what he had because he didn't analyze the footage and the recordings properly.

[00:41:26] Richard Dodie figuring out pretty quickly after he went to Paul Benowitz's house to speak with him that what he had was pop secret radio transmissions from the Air Force base and pop secret experimental aircraft that the Air Force was working on.

[00:41:49] But Dodie came in and convinced him that it was extra trust and it had to do with extra trust or craft.

[00:42:00] Now he wouldn't outright tell Paul Benowitz that for a fact but he would just plant some seeds.

[00:42:08] Just plant a little thought in Paul Benowitz's head and Paul already was leaning more toward that it was extra trust or you know an extra trust or craft and extra trust or radio transmissions that it wasn't hard.

[00:42:23] That's the way they miss this information where she just plan a little seed in people and let them roll the ball down the field.

[00:42:31] And he would just say like maybe what you got here Paul could possibly be for from extra trust and then Paul said that just confirms it.

[00:42:46] Paul you got some good stuff here my friend.

[00:42:53] It might possibly be extra trust and with Paul being a World War two vet.

[00:42:59] It was easy to convince him to keep quiet about it right like be quiet Paul you owe it to your country not to say anything about this to anyone keep all this information to yourself.

[00:43:12] But it wasn't just Richard Dodie that was doing this all the Air Force generals during Paul's briefing at the Air Force was in on it after Paul showed the footage he captured of the strange craft which again the craft that he was capturing the footage that he was capturing was top secret experimental aircraft.

[00:43:35] The radio transmissions that he was getting was top secret radio transmissions to Kirkland Air Force base.

[00:43:43] So after this briefing was done the Paul was doing to the Air Force generals and the personnel a burglarty or general stood up and said Paul you got some pretty convincing evidence there.

[00:43:59] And then continue to ask him what he would like the Air Force to do about it and Paul wanted a grant.

[00:44:08] I wanted a grant to continue to study UFOs on the base and a grant to continue his contact with aliens that he claimed that he had now this is where it gets really sinister and very intrusive.

[00:44:29] And this actually caught the Air Force personnel off guard because they did not know that another agency was involved with this so we've established that the Air Force special investigators like Richard Dodie and all of their force personnel were involved in in that briefing and we're pushing Paul in this direction of extra trust drills and UFOs when what he was really getting was video footage of pop secret experimental aircraft and radio.

[00:44:58] Transmissions from the Air Force base but another agency was involved what it happened was was that Paul was picking up those signals from Kirkland Air Force base but he didn't really know that that was the case.

[00:45:17] So it was later found out that the NSA had a van parked across the street from Paul Benowitz's home and would directly beam radio signals into Paul Benowitz's antenna into his house to make Paul believe that he was in communication with extra trust drills.

[00:45:45] Through his computer to make Paul believe he was getting what he should be getting and seeing the things that he should be seeing.

[00:45:56] The NSA literally broke in to Paul Benowitz's house replaced this computer with an NSA modified computer.

[00:46:07] The computer had software installed onto it to decode the messages that were being sent to Paul in the way that they wanted Paul to see them.

[00:46:19] This is how far the missing this information has gone surrounding this topic that the NSA broke in to Paul Benowitz's house and replaced this computer with an NSA modified computer to convince him that he's in contact with Paul Benowitz's house.

[00:46:37] So it was in communication with extra trust drills and in all of these messages that Paul thought that he was receiving from extra trust drills which was really the NSA said that they were from a planet with no water that they're here for our resources to take over the earth and that they only trusted Paul because Paul was a chosen one and all kinds of other stuff which all of the things that were being talked about with Paul believing that he's in communication with extra trust drills are still regurgitated.

[00:47:07] In this community to this very day when they're completely and utterly made up by NSA agents.

[00:47:16] And it gets even worse if you didn't think that was bad enough it gets worse so in May of 1980 state police in New Mexico received a report from a woman calling herself Mourna Henson she described a story involving extra trust drill aliens bright lights and herds of cattle.

[00:47:37] The police then referred that case to a colleague in dulce named Gabe Valdez.

[00:47:45] Now I just mentioned Gabe Valdez was introduced to Paul Benowitz back at that first cattle mutilation conference this is the connection here so please refer the case to Gabe Valdez which was the cattle mutilation guy gave Valdez then contacted Paul Benowitz.

[00:48:04] So on May 7th 1980 Mourna Henson and her son traveled to albacurkey to meet with Benowitz staying in this home.

[00:48:14] Henson explained to Benowitz that on May 5th 1980 while she was driving with her son in New Mexico they witnessed two large objects silent objects approximately the size of good year blimps hovering over a meta.

[00:48:31] Okay just like in the thrown and the docs.

[00:48:36] They look like docs, quite like docs they're docs they move like ducks during the formation of a bird their docs but looks like a good year blimp acts like a good year blimp the size of a good year blimp and it's probably a good year blimp.

[00:48:52] Just going out on the limb there this is just making stuff up so they then contacted a man named Leo Sprinkle which was a psychologist and a professor in Wyoming who had been investigating UFO contact the reports abductions and UFO sightings.

[00:49:13] Benowitz then arranged for sprinkle to fly to albacurkey to hypnotize Henson when sprinkle arrived Henson and Benowitz insisted that the sessions be conducted in his car parked inside of his garage with the car windows covered with aluminum foil.

[00:49:35] Paul's literally out of his mind at this point which I don't blame him right you got the NSA right across the street from your house stocking you be mean frequencies into your antenna in your house making you believe that you're in contact with extra trust yours do your computer.

[00:49:51] You got the Air Force telling you that you're right about the aliens but you can't tell anyone you're going out of your mind at this point so sprinkle decided to regress this woman merna Henson in the tinfoil out car and Paul Benowitz's garage and during her first regression.

[00:50:09] She recalled being she reported being sucked up into a hovering space craft by a tractor beam and on May 11th the second one under hypnosis Henson reported another abduction and being taken to an underground base with body parts.

[00:50:38] Body parts and floating in vats and experiments and alien human hybrids and this is the basis of what would later evolve into the mythology of the dulce base and Phil Schneider.

[00:50:56] And also during this regression she started talking about Roswell New Mexico.

[00:51:04] Although no one in the public had connected Roswell New Mexico to UFO folklore yet it was like a non issue and what is a perfect setup for bill more book on Roswell called the Roswell incident just a few months ago.

[00:51:25] A few months later in October of 1980 which was all missing this information about an alien craft crashing in Roswell which popularized the myth and the lore and brought it to the forefront of ufology which was all missing this information given to bill more about extra trust yours and the crash and Roswell from Richard dodie and other.

[00:51:53] Military and three letter organization assets and bill more actually got up in front of the move on conference in 1979 and tried to tell everybody that it was all made up and it's all nonsense it's all missing this information from the government.

[00:52:08] And the people at the conference audience and they at the conference blew them off of the stage.

[00:52:15] So it's not for the lack of trying you try to tell everyone.

[00:52:20] But back to the murder hints and story in this Paul Benowitz set up because that's exactly what it was it was a setup this lady merna hints in was sent to Paul Benowitz as an agent to get the lore in the mythology rolling because they knew Paul would tell everyone about this and it was snowball into a bunch of nonsense so.

[00:52:42] Hence in along with claiming to see these large this large blimp good your blimp craft she also recalled having seen a.

[00:52:52] Shed recollection of given an implant by the aliens during her regression was sprinkle.

[00:53:02] This is the first person I ever talk about alien implants here this is what started it all.

[00:53:09] Before John Mark before will the stripper before all these people that popular as it all came from Paul Benowitz right so sprinkle.

[00:53:20] Return back to visit been a wits to perform another regression with Hanson and found Benowitz armed with a you was armed you had a pistol and you had a gun in a rifle scene that he was concerned that he was vulnerable to be an attacked by aliens.

[00:53:38] These people were literally driving Paul out of his mind like they're trying to make them go crazy exactly to the point that he was thinking that he was going to be attacked by aliens it's really sad it's actually a very.

[00:53:52] Sad story but it's an important story because it's where all this stuff all the mythology in all the alien implants and abductions and cattle mutilations and the dulce underground bees that's a contract with extra trust yours in the military all starts.

[00:54:07] Which is missing this information given to Paul to cover up actual advanced military technology and classified military technology because he also went close to Dulce new Mexico and got some footage of some military operations.

[00:54:28] So that's why they sent this murder Hanson lady to Benowitz to cover up that he actually got classified military operations.

[00:54:39] So Paul thinking that this regressionist was an alien or whatever he thought that he was he told him to leave and the knee contacted a hypnotist by the name of James harder now James harder and also conducted hypnotic regressions of Travis Walton in 1975.

[00:55:05] Let's Travis Walton's a whole other story that I'll be covering on my show legends of ufology on my YouTube channel in the future but Benowitz and James harder came to the conclusion that Mourna Hanson was under the influence of alien tractor beams.

[00:55:27] And they wrote a bunch of detailed writings on how to use aluminum foil to shield themselves from these beams.

[00:55:39] This is literally where all the tin foil has stuff comes from and no one has any idea that it came from Paul Benowitz from government, missing this information surrounding him convincing him that he was seeing extra trust yours when it was advanced military craft that he was in communication with extra trust yours through his computer when it was really the NSA.

[00:56:04] So Gabe Gibral Vaudi's son later commented on the Mourna Hanson story and pretty much said that it was a folks it was a well orchestrated hoax it was a setup that she was an agent that she was sent to Paul Benowitz to give him all this missing disinformation and I was confirmed by all the listening devices that was found in his dad's house.

[00:56:31] And all the spy stuff that was going on and that the government was listening to all the foam conversations between his dad and Benowitz.

[00:56:44] And it's hard to figure out anything about this lady, this Mourna Hanson lady because the Mourna Hanson is also the name of a famous actress and model.

[00:56:56] So when you type in Mourna Hanson into Google all you'll get is the famous actress and model who won Miss USA in their early 50s.

[00:57:11] So it's practically impossible to figure out who she was but I'm willing to bet willing to bet money that she was sent by the intelligence community directly to Paul Benowitz and it's a perfect cover to because you can't figure out any information about her.

[00:57:26] So you give her a fake name that is also the name of a highly popular famous actress and model.

[00:57:39] So no one can figure out any information on her but at this point we're getting into the full swing of the Dulce bass and all the mythology and all the rumors and theories and speculation of the Dulce bass.

[00:57:51] All started because of the information that was given to Paul Benowitz by government, missing this information Air Force special agents, the NSA and what I believe is intelligence agent Mourna Hanson.

[00:58:12] So in December of 81, all Benowitz wrote a letter to US Senator Harrison Schmidt and explained in this letter that he knew the location of the alien base in northern New Mexico.

[00:58:29] Northwest of Dulce in New Mexico and that he knew someone in the military that had made a deal with extra trash drills several years ago.

[00:58:43] And the exchange was for land and cattle and that the aliens would trade their technology in the form of some form of anti gravity atomic power ship.

[00:59:00] And together they would build an extensive joint operation underground base alongside the military to test this ship.

[00:59:15] And another really important thing that was said in this document that well, this letter that Paul Benowitz sent to US Senator Harrison Schmidt was that the ship design that the military traded for the land and the cattle and the abduction of humans was over 30 years behind the alien technology.

[00:59:41] Now if you've been in this community longer than five years and you listen to a lot of people talk, this is a common comment that a lot of these people make that this contract between the extra trust drills and the military or extra trust drills and humans was severed because the aliens were giving us old technology.

[01:00:12] But it came from Paul Benowitz and all the missing in this information.

[01:00:18] So now we know where all these stories come from that's what Bill Cooper always talked about in the mid 80s was a contract with the United States government, the military and extra trust drills for the technology exchange.

[01:00:37] But Bill Cooper just added that it was president Eisenhower that made the contract and sealed the deal he just changed it up ever so slightly.

[01:00:50] But a king from Paul Benowitz because he was going out and talking to all these UFO investigators and all these the entire movement of the time.

[01:01:02] So by 1982 Benowitz was contacting UFO researchers like Linda Moltenhal, John Lear US Senator Harrison Schmidt and began to spread his ideas regarding the Dulce base to others in the UFO all the community.

[01:01:22] And just like that boom the UFO mythology that had come directly from the NSA Air Force agents intelligence agent, Mernah Ensign was born.

[01:01:38] It was that easy.

[01:01:41] And all of this has been heavily documented in the 1984 book UFO conspiracy clear intent, the government cover up a UFO experience.

[01:01:57] The story then really spread rapidly within the community in 86 a George Clinton Andrews discuss the Dulce base legends in his book extra trestials among us and 1988.

[01:02:18] And weekly world news story published the story entitled UFO base found in New Mexico, which claimed that the diabolical invaders from another solar system of set up secret underground base and the mountains of New Mexico.

[01:02:36] And that they use humans as guinea pigs for genetic experiments. It's all bullshit. And in 1990 the albacurki Tribune feature a mention of Paul Benowitz and his wife Cindy on their 50th anniversary.

[01:02:54] In 2005 the book project beta the story of Paul Benowitz national security in the creation of the modern UFO myth was published, which details all this and more the book about the project was also came out in 2010 named Mirageman.

[01:03:15] And that book was also adapted into a 2013 documentary under the same name called Mirageman where you have former aging.

[01:03:30] AFSOI agent Air Force Office of Special Investigations Richard Doty claiming that in 19 in the 1980s he was tasked with hoaxing documents and feeding false information to UFO researchers, including Linda Molin how Bill Moore and Paul Benowitz.

[01:03:56] It's a lot to take in, but basically it's like the whole UFO mythology was conceived and spread by one person just to automatically make it disingenuous for anyone that ever researched into it.

[01:04:16] It's like the whole thing was just a ploy to have everyone looking in the wrong direction, looking for wrong things like just a misinformation act.

[01:04:28] That's right.

[01:04:30] To get people looking for extraterrestrials and thinking that aliens are real and that they're here abducting people and all that then you'll never get to the root of the problem because those things don't exist.

[01:04:43] When you get people looking for a boogie man, the real thing can effectively be brushed under the rock.

[01:04:53] Get people looking up in the sky. I see something straight. It's extraterrestrial. It's got to be an extraterrestrial. I don't know what it is. I mean, Sean Carpagic the head of arrow just came out and wrote an article about this very thing.

[01:05:08] He was in charge of arrow, which is the government program to investigate claims and investigate sightings. And he says that he has seen zero proof, zero evidence of extraterrestrials all of the sightings since the late forties were military craft.

[01:05:33] It's funny because I've seen so many people within the community trying to discredit him saying he's just a part of the ploy to cover it up.

[01:05:41] They've been telling you that since the very beginning, that's the problem.

[01:05:48] They've been telling you the public that it doesn't have anything to do with extraterrestrials.

[01:05:54] They've said that every single time they've never changed their stance. It's always been the same.

[01:06:05] When they came out in 2020 and said UFOs and the newly titled UAPs are real, that does not confirm the existence of extraterrestrials.

[01:06:20] They have never once said, they've never once confirmed that extraterrestrials exist. In fact, they've said the opposite.

[01:06:33] Even with the latest with this David Grush thing, I've always wondered right from the get go.

[01:06:39] Not to discredit him, but there's something fishy and I feel like whatever information he is releasing is only being because it's been fed to him to be released.

[01:06:51] That's right.

[01:06:54] Shrunker Patrick talks about this, the small group of closely knit circle of conspiracy-minded people that keep regurgitating the same story over and over again.

[01:07:18] When you tell a lie enough times, you convince yourself that it's real.

[01:07:27] That's what's happened. It's been these same people that has gotten these stories and the original story is fake and false.

[01:07:42] Dave Grush stood up in front of Congress and said that he has no first-hand knowledge of any of this.

[01:07:50] But he only got this information from other people telling him.

[01:07:56] So with second hand information, second hand from stories, as people telling stories,

[01:08:08] regurgitated old stories that have no basis in reality and is more than likely a regurgitation from the miss and disinformation that the government, military NSA was giving Paul Benowitz in order to cover up advanced military technology.

[01:08:29] So basically, with that in mind, every time someone has seen something, are we to believe that it is just military craft?

[01:08:47] I would say yes, if it is a perceived to be a physical craft, that's 100% absolutely the military.

[01:08:57] Because I've known people recently have been seeing these small spherical lights and it's hard to understand what they could possibly be.

[01:09:10] And even with the... it's funny about the spheres because I hadn't really heard anything about seeing spherical stuff up until recently.

[01:09:21] Now some people have told me that they've seen some back in the 90s and they were small. Just yesterday, someone I know mentioned something, they saw a basketball sized one.

[01:09:31] I said the popular theory going around is they're like little drones.

[01:09:36] I don't know how to... they propel or how they go and why they're illuminated, but if I was going to send out something small, it'd be a drone you would think.

[01:09:46] And I'm not saying they're from aliens or anything like that. I said most likely, they're just considered drones and I have no idea where they'd be coming from.

[01:09:53] But I can't... I'm a nobody. I'm just a guy with a microphone so I don't know anything.

[01:09:59] So it's hard when people say things. I'm like, this is just what I've heard. I don't know... I don't want to be out there spreading more bullshit just because that's the popular opinion to do other UFOs.

[01:10:12] I mean they're aliens.

[01:10:14] That's what gets the clicks though. That's what gets the clicks my friend. You gotta say that they're aliens and that they're UFOs.

[01:10:21] That's what gets people to check out your stuff. That's the whole problem. That's the whole thing of missing disinformation.

[01:10:29] Can you give me the ability to screenshot? I'll play this audio clip from Sean Karpantrick talking about these drones.

[01:10:37] Yeah, hold on one second.

[01:10:39] It should let you.

[01:10:49] Okay. I'm gonna share the sound. This is Sean Karpantrick, former head of the all domine anomaly resolution office, which is Arrow, which was the Pentagon.

[01:11:07] UFO office that was set up to investigate claims and whistleblowers and reports of strange anomalous craft.

[01:11:21] There's a large number of people pilots who have said, hey I saw this giant sphere. It had a cube in it. I don't understand it must be an alien.

[01:11:33] Well, actually no. The next generation of drones that are being built are spherical drones and one of them is they've taken about a two meter size inflatable and they put a cube inside of it.

[01:11:50] And everywhere the corner of the cube touches the sphere. They fused it, cut it out, and put little thrusters in.

[01:12:00] With eight thrusters in a cube configuration, I can maneuver this drone around very accurately and they've tried these all over the place.

[01:12:12] There you go. That was Sean Karpantrick talking about how the craft that people are witnessing are military drones.

[01:12:28] Yeah, I didn't heard that one. That's a their drones are military craft. They are and the cover up has been the what people think that they're covering up is not really what they're covering up the cover up is the cover up with the problem is that people think that the cover up is the lie when it's not on of them.

[01:12:57] Really makes sense. I probably could explain that a lot better but people are so willing to believe in the extra ordinary and fairy tale nonsense that they that critical thinking and common sense just completely goes out the window. I mean why when you look at why if you see something that you don't know what it is.

[01:13:23] Why would you automatically assume that it's extraterrestrial or that is alien. Yeah, that has been a program that's been put into our mind the collective mind.

[01:13:39] The first thought should be what kind of military craft is that is that the military. Where did that come from? Who who who created that craft it shouldn't automatically go to extraterrestrials and aliens but that's what we've been program to believe it's exactly like space right when you hear someone say space.

[01:14:09] You your mind automatically goes to outer space see these words and these terminologies that are being thrown around and used have double meanings.

[01:14:23] They can mean something completely different than what you think that they mean. Like crash retrieval like reverse engineering.

[01:14:37] Crash retrieval can be anything. Crash retrieval can be a downside of it. It can be a blimp could be a air balloon, you be a crash aircraft be a helicopter be a down military aircraft.

[01:14:58] And most important a crash retrieval can also be something much older than modern times the crash retrieval can be something that was found in an archaeological date.

[01:15:18] If we went to Afghanistan right now, me and you would just picked up in a freaking plane and took a trip to Afghanistan or a rack or somewhere in the Middle East and we decided to do an archaeological dig.

[01:15:33] And we found some sort of advanced technology over there. That would be a crash retrieval but people in the community think that

[01:15:47] when people say crash retrieval they think like modern times. They think oh well, they must have.

[01:15:57] Wherever the crash retrieval was it must have happened recently.

[01:16:03] Must have been during the Roswell must have been 77 years ago or even more modern times or someone saw this craft go down and then they called the military and the military when got the craft.

[01:16:16] And try to reverse engineer it.

[01:16:20] And reverse engineering is another one when you hear reverse engineered people in the community tend to think all well reverse engineer means reverse engineered of alien technology could be reverse engineering.

[01:16:42] Another country's technology exactly.

[01:16:48] Now I am like I said earlier, I want to believe like the whole UFO thing hold us in that but I've always been somewhat skeptical and it's not the I believe what the government tells me because

[01:17:02] if anyone's ever listened to my show they know I don't buy into the mainstream narrative but and I've said this before, I don't think as a person we should know all of the secrets either.

[01:17:14] Like obviously what goes on behind the scenes there's a lot of some things going on that we don't know about some of it we probably shouldn't know about.

[01:17:25] But it's literally maybe not be left in the dark about these the whole national security is an excuse until which I understand certain topics of certain things but at the same time it's like when people are saying they're being abducted.

[01:17:43] People are saying they're seeing things people say they had alien contact.

[01:17:49] I've had a lot of guests on here talk about that stuff and I don't want to try and discredit anyone but I've always said from the get go I'm just a platform for anyone who wants to come on the show and talk about their experiences and I've said numerous times I don't necessarily have to believe everything someone tells me but I think what they're telling me is their truth they 100% believe what they're telling me it doesn't mean

[01:18:12] what they're telling me is factually accurate as in an alien came down did this and did this and did this took off.

[01:18:22] And I've made this reference numerous times and I think it pisses people off but maybe something else traumatic happened to you when you're a child

[01:18:30] and your mind is playing a trick on you to cover up the trauma that happened so you're saying aliens came in and did this when it could have been uncle creepy coming into the middle of the night doing you know what I mean.

[01:18:42] You're spot on 100% spot on.

[01:18:45] And I know that reps people the wrong way because I say things like that but at the same time it's like I've also seen some weird shit in my life that I can't explain.

[01:18:54] So I don't necessarily write everything off I try and keep an open mind but at the same time I still I look for more rational explanation before I go off into the woo woo side.

[01:19:04] That's right you just have to know on the head right there and that's exactly what in you can see the evidence of that through the study of the CIS and K Ultra programs.

[01:19:16] That's where it comes from is the traumatization the traumatizing they drug you a deep pattern your mind to remove critical thinking common sense rationality and then they psychically drive you.

[01:19:42] So they can make you believe something happened when it didn't really happen.

[01:19:50] I mean the whole goal of the MK Ultra programs in the beginning was to take memories and classified information out of people high up in government so that they can't disclose the projects that they were working on.

[01:20:10] Then later on it evolved into well if we can scramble the brain like that and remove memories and things that they have seen that we don't want them to remember.

[01:20:26] Can we put a memory of something that didn't happen but the subject thinks that it did happen inside of their head and that's what the whole experiment was about and it wasn't about just LSD.

[01:20:50] Many drugs were tested on the MK Ultra victims anti-depressants anti-psychotics and fetamine out of all riddling before they were ever giving to the public.

[01:21:12] And then now if you look up a statistic of how many people in the United States is on pharmaceutical medications it's staggering.

[01:21:26] That is the one thing that I've always thought is doctors anymore at least here in America or pill pushers it is literally you can go in for any type of symptom and you're going to leave with some sort of medication and I've been prescribed certain medications and I honestly haven't been taking them for awhile which I can't say I feel better or I feel worse but they've given me stuff.

[01:21:56] I feel like I'm just going to go back to the doctor for obviously blood pressure and cholesterol.

[01:22:03] Nothing that's a mind-altering that you wouldn't think but I know other people that they've tried to put me on an anti-depressant before literally because this is I look back at it in my laugh.

[01:22:19] I've been almost like 16 hour days really tired. I was going through some rough times in life like there's just a whole situation so I had to go to the doctor because I have a CDL in order to keep a CDL you have to go get a physical.

[01:22:34] So I had to go get this physical and the doctor had asked how I was doing.

[01:22:40] I said sometimes I just wish I didn't have to get up. They took that as I was depressed suicidal and they wanted to prescribe me this medication.

[01:22:50] I said I'm not depressed, I'm literally exhausted. I'm working around the clock. I'm not getting any sleep, I've got stuff going on at home.

[01:22:58] I'm not like personal stuff, it's life. I'm not suicidal or anything like that but they wanted me to take this medication and get me out of push this medication which I'm not one push medication or want to take medication so it's like no.

[01:23:18] But I just I feel like that is one of the things that goes on right now is you take this medication to counter this but then you have to take this medication to interact with this because it counters whatever the side effects for this one is like you just keep it just adds up and adds up and add.

[01:23:34] I know people that have to take like four or five six pills a day because that's what they've been prescribed and half time it's like each one counteracts the other one.

[01:23:42] Yep, that is the big problem with doctors and you have any kind of and you're not the first person that's told me a story like that. Like you go into a doctor's office, you tell them what's going on with you and they just automatically push all these pills on your entire anxiety pills, antidepressants, antipsychotic pills, sleeping pills.

[01:24:10] You know, it's just a it's just a bandaid to the problem.

[01:24:16] You're not finding what's causing the problem you're just trying to cover it up.

[01:24:20] That's right and eventually it's like trying to repair a leaking pipe with duct tape.

[01:24:30] It's going to work and might work for a little while.

[01:24:36] If you get it on there snugging off, it might work for a little bit.

[01:24:42] Yeah.

[01:24:43] But eventually it's going to break and you still have the same leaking pipe.

[01:24:51] We can probably wrap this up here in a minute but I wanted to touch back on something because I thought the timing of everything that happened with this being today and yesterday.

[01:25:01] And you mentioned MK Ultra for some reason, I got this notification on X which I don't use it might I have all these social media and I barely use them because I hate social media.

[01:25:12] But for the podcast purposes or whatever it's synced up to my website so every time an episode gets released it automatically updates an X post.

[01:25:22] I don't do anything with it.

[01:25:23] But I get notifications from it and I don't know who this person was, I don't even follow anyone on there.

[01:25:29] And it's a lady that said that she was a part of the MK Ultra project and I wouldn't creep around because it was a super popular thing that like she'd posted in like within the day.

[01:25:41] It blew up and she was explaining how her father had trafficked her around.

[01:25:50] And he worked with the military, I believe it said and she was exposed to these experiments through for early years.

[01:25:58] And then somehow he ended up marrying a famous actresses mother and I she named drop the people I'm not gonna name drop them because I'm not spreading bullshit but.

[01:26:09] Basically everything that she went into detail about and then people were like oh you should come talk to it on my show this and that and I even offer it like well, you want to drop on my show sure why not.

[01:26:20] And a couple hours later all of it everything was deleted and said the overwhelming amount of attention it gained was too much and she's not going on a podcast not doing any such deleted it but.

[01:26:36] Then she posted something else saying it was it's still true this and that I don't I just gave up at that point like I was dumb but I was on Reddit and someone else posted something very similar yesterday that said they were part of an MK Ultra project and.

[01:26:55] They started listing things that went on and this and that and I was like I comment on is like there must be something in the air because I just saw someone else posting something very similar this person didn't say that they were being trafficked by their father but this one says it was their set father and.

[01:27:11] Very weird that.

[01:27:13] Something on Twitter X whatever you want to call it and then on Reddit.

[01:27:17] One was a guy and the Southern was supposed to be a girl.

[01:27:20] For posting something very similar on the same day.

[01:27:24] And someone else comment which I started reading through their comp they want to know who this person I saw next was have I checked on her they need to know her name who was it i've never responded I'm not giving out anyone's information that's not my business but it's like.

[01:27:38] You mentioned MK ultra like what is going on within like the last 48 hours that there have been people posting a big long.

[01:27:46] Rants about MK ultra testing going on and I've seen stuff here and there about like this is just.

[01:27:52] It was really in depth shit that they were talking about and I was like this is strange less it's the same person isn't trying to troll social media which is very well possible.

[01:28:01] Well there is a lot of people that like to make up a bunch of stuff because they see the popularity of it is kind of like.

[01:28:11] With what we were talking about with Kenneth Arnold you know the popularity of his sightings got to such a big degree that he had to create more sightings.

[01:28:25] And he turned.

[01:28:28] Every day.

[01:28:30] Things like animals and birds and.

[01:28:34] One of his sightings was he was fine it's plain and he saw red and two red lights and two yellow lights near the ground.

[01:28:45] That's car headlights.

[01:28:48] Right so he was just turning something.

[01:28:52] That is in every day thing that people see all the time and.

[01:28:57] Turning it into something that it wasn't.

[01:29:00] I see this kind of thing all the time within the community there are several people.

[01:29:07] That claim to be a part of some sort of governmental program.

[01:29:14] A lot of them are liars or say a large.

[01:29:19] Majority of them are liars.

[01:29:23] A lot of people like to claim that they are part of the Stargate project which was a real Army intelligence DIA remote viewing psych expi program.

[01:29:36] The ran from 79 to 99.

[01:29:41] There were only roughly about 18 people that were ever involved in that program.

[01:29:49] But you have kids that are like 20 years old at 21 and 23 24 25.

[01:29:58] That weren't even born when the program was still running that are claiming to be a part of the project.

[01:30:05] It's a.

[01:30:09] It's a myth that has taken it's just like the UFO phenomenon.

[01:30:14] It's something to associate yourself with trying and gain some sort of reputation in some sort of popularity within the community.

[01:30:24] And I've had I read all the remote viewing documents. I've read through all of the MK Ultra documents.

[01:30:30] I had them all sent to me by a former DOD officer.

[01:30:36] But through every single one of them.

[01:30:40] And people like to make things up because they think that it's going to give them credibility.

[01:30:49] They think that it's going to make them popular.

[01:30:54] Oh, yeah.

[01:30:56] And this is another thing too is people that are interested in this phenomenon.

[01:31:00] This is how the entire super soldier and the secret space program thing became to be right a few people started talking about it and then it snowballed into something completely different.

[01:31:12] And then that person listens to another person and then they make up their own stories.

[01:31:17] They have some weird wild and crazy dream and then they take that dream to be real and then they wake up and they get on YouTube and contact a person that they fell asleep listening to last night that they were dreaming about talking about and claiming that they were also part of the secret space program super soldier.

[01:31:34] I was actually getting ready to bring that up you to when you're talking about it literally made me start thinking.

[01:31:40] There's my earlier episodes I interviewed some people that said they were a part of this one guy said that they were part of the M. K.L. for project and they are also part of the Montauk project.

[01:31:53] Montauk is a bunch of bullshit nonsense by impressed and nickels that likes to jerk people off.

[01:32:00] Yeah well he claims that pressed and nickels was an abuser and all sorts of things.

[01:32:06] And he was right involved with it the whole thing but anyways when that episode came out I got a bunch of people I say a bunch is a few but that email me saying that the guest was full of shit he's a liar this isn't true.

[01:32:26] And before that episode came out I had someone else on here that was a part of this supposed secret space program.

[01:32:35] And I didn't really know much about it but again I was first starting out of giving a platform I still do like I give a platform for people and the things are out there like for anyone that's listening they're like oh these are pretty crazy theories being thrown out here.

[01:32:53] And then that is the stigma that comes with it and I've said that I don't want to have people to come out here fear the stigma that I'm going to ridicule them or make that's not what I'm about but I've had that person and the other person they wanted to come back on because they claim they knew each other from working together in this thing.

[01:33:12] And then someone else for contacting me I had like four or five people from these things and I've gotten to the point now where I haven't had any of them on there because.

[01:33:21] And I've been reached out by them and I don't want to be an ass or whatever but at the same time it's like it's almost become sensationalized.

[01:33:32] And I never even knew what the secret space program was but then someone that was trying to discredit them until I need to watch beyond majestic which I've watched it before.

[01:33:44] Like years ago when it first came out and I kind of fell asleep so I didn't remember I thought it was boring and I rewatched it again within the last year.

[01:33:56] And I'm like I feel like most of the stuff these people are talking about is literally stuff for this movie had talked about and they're just spreading that information and I'm not saying again I don't know one way or the other is a true is fake who am I to judge I don't know but I lean more skeptical.

[01:34:16] And I just haven't been having anyone come on here talk about that type of stuff because I don't need the content as in I'm just going to let anyone come on here and just ramble on about whatever they want to ramble on about if I don't feel that someone being honest I'm not going to release the episode anymore that's just my stance on.

[01:34:37] It's made up nonsense it is fairy tales and again it's people attention grabbing Preston Nichols literally ripped off an entire the Philadelphia experiment movie that came out.

[01:34:53] I have to look up the date of when that Philadelphia experiment movie came out that involved time travel and like all kinds of nonsense you literally just adapted that entire story and claim that it happened to him.

[01:35:08] But the movie was real.

[01:35:10] Now it's it's it's it's fairy tale nonsense that has been regurgitated people listen to it people kind of believe it again though you know how like you you put on a movie and you're going to go to sleep in the movie plays while you're asleep and sometimes you'll dream about the movie that's on the screen yeah.

[01:35:40] That happens to me all the time like sometimes I'll fall asleep watching a cooking show and I'll dream that I'm on the cooking show you know I'm cooking for Gordon Ramsay and Joe and Ronan like all this shit and you know and that doesn't mean that it was real.

[01:36:00] I know that that was a dream I knew I know that that wasn't reality.

[01:36:05] But this is just a part of it it's not the whole entire piece of the pie it's not the whole pizza I'm just speaking to a part of how this works is that.

[01:36:20] A listener will be subscribed to some of these channels some of the secret space program channels like James ring has probably one of the biggest one super sold you talk which he's been exposed on okies weird stories if people are interested in how made up nonsense stuff is look at okies weird stories on YouTube he basically infiltrated into the title of the video is like how.

[01:36:47] I infiltrated a conspiracy cult.

[01:36:53] It has everything to do with James ring and basically okie just went in there and made up a bunch of nonsense that he had heard other people talk about on James's show and James believed them.

[01:37:07] I mean that's how easy it is like you just listen to a bunch of other people making up nonsense you create your own nonsense and then you change it just slightly just like bill cooper did with Paul binowitz's story about the extra trust your old contract with the military.

[01:37:26] It's changes just slightly.

[01:37:29] So that it was eyes and how are they saying the contract.

[01:37:34] You know like whenever you have a tab bit of familiarity in there with what you're talking about that triggers people's minds like oh yeah I've heard this I've heard this before.

[01:37:49] But then mixed in with all the fairy tale nonsense it becomes what I call a conspiracy burrito and the.

[01:37:59] Super space program in the super soldier people have the perfect conspiracy burrito.

[01:38:05] It's got everything in it's got mk ultra mind control it's got removed viewing it's got time travel it's got aliens it's got extra trust drills it's got.

[01:38:16] Med beds advanced technology it's got portals and stargades to go to Mars and live for 20 years it's got a regression sky suits that make you super human this got green black goo like the freaking hawk in the marvel comics I would they got the green goo that made them turn into a hawk they've adopted that story it's pretty much just the X men in space.

[01:38:46] And guess what the most popular cartoon was in the mid late 90s the X men exactly it's funny to end I've noticed a trend not so much from people I've talked with or anything but like I've listened to other podcast watched other things about it.

[01:39:09] The trend that I've noticed is any of these people that have ever been considered in these programs they're always doing something super spectacular.

[01:39:20] They get sent to other worlds they had to kill this person they save this they they made themselves into like the superhero.

[01:39:28] And then here now when they're back here.

[01:39:33] They don't have that ability most of them I've actually tried to have have tried to get someone on it's like a therapist or something like that like someone's actually credentialed to talk with about this thing but I haven't been able to do that.

[01:39:49] But here they're just a happy go lucky normal person they have.

[01:39:56] They're either the loner type mentality or they worked a nine to five job like they're not special in the sense of they're not out saving the world so it's almost like their mind has manifested.

[01:40:09] They're dreaming or whatever how they want it to recall memories.

[01:40:14] They went out done all this fantastical stuff but here they're not that person so I've always thought that was interesting and a bit peculiar the.

[01:40:22] Here there's nothing different about you you're not special but in your dreams and in all the other things you've done you're just amazing universe saver.

[01:40:33] That's right and that is to compensate for their life not being what they wanted to be.

[01:40:43] That's how I looked at it too.

[01:40:46] They work a boring job they do something that they hate so therefore in another universe and another dimension I'm out there saving the galaxy.

[01:40:59] I'm fighting back the reptilian space lizards to save their earth.

[01:41:07] So it is when here they're probably not healthy they're probably on some form of pharmaceutical medication or taking some kind of a list of drugs they're working a shitty job that they don't want to be at and they're daydreaming about a fairy tale.

[01:41:30] So what kids do?

[01:41:35] Yeah that's just kind of where I look at it from a skeptical stance and again I guess that I don't try and discredit anyone so I know.

[01:41:44] This obviously made up garbage I mean you can take two looks at it and realize that it's nonsense there's no proof of anything that they say that even comes close to anything in this reality.

[01:41:59] If that stuff was real there would be some form of evidence of it here in this reality but there isn't my biggest thing is what is the point and I'm trying to like if you have the ability to take people and send them through space and send them through time and then transgress their age and send them back here take their consciousness put in this altar but take it back and put it.

[01:42:22] What is the fucking point because you can control time and space once you control time and space and everything else you don't need us anymore you can do whatever the hell you want.

[01:42:32] So that's the biggest hang up for me about the whole thing is why do they need you specifically why were you so special that you had to get taken and do all these different things they can control time and space they can manifest things they can clone things they don't need you.

[01:42:46] Well they would tell you that they are special that they were that they're chosen that they have special abilities that there are par seeds yeah there are part of it very special bloodline of beings and the government in the military seek them out to go on this 20 and back space mission.

[01:43:16] That's what they were telling.

[01:43:19] Again it's a that's the one topic anymore that I've had a few episodes and there's been people that wanted me to do follow ups and one of them have come back on here everything and I said I would and then but I've just gotten to the point now where.

[01:43:33] That's not really what I want to show to be focused on so not trying to listen anyone's Cheerios or anything like that but it's.

[01:43:42] I don't have a set agenda for this show but at the same time I'm not just wanting to come on here and spout off fairy tales.

[01:43:49] The whole secret space program in the super soldier thing is a cult. It's a cult. That's what it is.

[01:43:57] And it's a step above the UFO cult. It's a step above ufology because you have these can't question them if you were to be critical of their story and call bullshit on them that they're not going to come on your show.

[01:44:24] So they can't stand up to screw in me.

[01:44:29] Now I'll go on anybody show.

[01:44:33] They can question me all that they want to question me. I absolutely no problem because I'm not making up shit.

[01:44:40] I can keep track of everything that I've ever said. I know everything that I've ever said.

[01:44:47] In great detail to the point that I can recite it.

[01:44:50] These people don't.

[01:44:56] And the reason that they can't be questioned critically is because they can't keep track of their lives and they use each other to confirm their participation in this 20 and back program.

[01:45:16] No, it's like if I claimed okay if I said no, I was a part of the secret government organization right in the new contact me.

[01:45:32] And then I'm like hey, you seem like a cool dude.

[01:45:39] I think you might be a part of this secret government organization too.

[01:45:47] I think you, I remember you from somewhere.

[01:45:52] I think I know you seem very familiar. Your voice seems really familiar to me.

[01:45:59] You were on this altar on this planet and we had to do this together. You remember that? Oh yeah, I remember that. That's yeah.

[01:46:05] Exactly. That's exactly what it is.

[01:46:10] Yeah, that's what happened on some of the episodes.

[01:46:14] So if anyone else are listening when this episode finally airs and you wonder why I haven't went back that way.

[01:46:20] Now you know the truth. It's not that I want to say I don't believe people but at the same time it's like I really struggled to do it and I don't want to continue to push content out there because that's not.

[01:46:33] I only do this because I enjoy doing it. I don't need to do it. It's not like I was making money off of it at the time.

[01:46:38] Like I barely make anything as it is now. I didn't even want to monetize because I have a decent job. I don't need the money.

[01:46:44] This was never about money. It was literally I experienced some weird stuff and I never talked about it because people think you're crazy.

[01:46:52] So I wanted to make something where people come on talk about things and not feel crazy but I've realized going on a 80 something episodes now almost over a year and a half of doing this.

[01:47:03] That's that not everyone's going to be honest.

[01:47:08] And again I think a lot of the people that come on here to talk about certain things they are 100% telling me what they believe it to be true which doesn't necessarily mean it is true.

[01:47:20] Well when they're talking about the same regurgitations from previous people that has proven to be made up garbage.

[01:47:35] And what they're talking about is made up garbage.

[01:47:39] And you can see that from I've done a whole series on the UFO calls. I didn't 14 episodes of them.

[01:47:46] And pretty much the entire new age in spiritual community was based off of the ideals and beliefs of these UFO calls.

[01:48:01] And it goes back to the early 30s with this called the called of I am with Guy Edna Ballard.

[01:48:11] They popularize the idea and the myth of these ascended masters.

[01:48:22] Like scene gemene Jesus.

[01:48:27] And you can pretty much take that call and replace it with Donald Trump and JFK Jr.

[01:48:39] You have the Q and on call. Yeah.

[01:48:43] See exact same thing. It's a regurgitation for a new generation of people.

[01:48:50] I mentioned this a lot of people have been guilty of this. A lot of people have done it.

[01:48:56] I mentioned this on a previous episode, but like the whole Q thing.

[01:49:02] Did you ever hear a Nassara or NASA or however it was pronounced back in the early 2000s?

[01:49:07] Yes. And that is what the call to I am in the 30s were also talking about that.

[01:49:12] That scene gemene had this gold fund trust.

[01:49:16] And that scene gemene and what is basically described as the white hats and the ascended masters of the 30s were going to overthrow the government and install this new.

[01:49:33] This this new gold trust and that everybody was going to get paid out all this money.

[01:49:40] So exact same thing.

[01:49:43] I said that's been a story that's been going around for years.

[01:49:48] It's like everyone buys into because they want hope.

[01:49:50] They want to believe there's something like this could be true.

[01:49:52] So you fall into line with believing in the bullshit that gets spewed out there and you start to drink the proverbial cool.

[01:50:00] I guess and I've laughed and I know this makes people mad but it is what it is.

[01:50:08] I think both sides are equally fucked like I'm not a Democrat.

[01:50:13] I'm not a Republican.

[01:50:14] I think politics in general, I think it's all bullshit.

[01:50:18] And they're all cut from the same cloth.

[01:50:22] They argue with each other but they're not really solving any problems.

[01:50:27] They're not trying to help anyone. They're just doing what they do.

[01:50:30] They make it seem like they're doing something when nothing really has ever accomplished and when it comes to stuff like this, the average person they want to feel like someone's actually going to fight for us are going to do something for us are going to bring change that proverbial change that we all hope for.

[01:50:49] We're all going to be treated good. We're all going to be rich and prosperous.

[01:50:53] And then you get your grifters and make up this stuff and then they fall in line with it because it's believable.

[01:50:58] And for some reason, you think Mr. Orangeman is the great savior now with the guy that died in a plane crash which claimed never died because of all the big conspiracy too.

[01:51:09] Like it gets ridiculous after a while.

[01:51:14] And it's a regurgitation of much older belief systems and much older mythology and gotten in the baller from the cult of I am actually ripped off with a lot of the occult writers of that time as well.

[01:51:30] And the baller ran a cult bookstore where she read Elena Brawlowski, Edgar Casey.

[01:51:37] And a lot of the occult writers of that time and then they use that as the foundation of their belief structure, belief systems of the cult.

[01:51:45] Then you have all these other UFO calls popping up in the early 50s, secrets UFO call theorist society, UFO called unaryous academy, UFO called an astral galactic command, UFO called all from 53 to 54.

[01:52:02] And it just becomes this whole, it's a circle jerk is what it is. And people just get little tidbits of information from here and there they mix it in and they make their amazing burrito, their amazing conspiracy burrito, their cult burrito and based on beliefs that where they have absolutely no idea where they came from originally.

[01:52:31] And a lot of people are guilty of that even some of the big name people in the community that everybody listens to all the time, their guilty of regurgitating information from these UFO calls are definitely guilty of regurgitating missing disinformation from the government, their force and the NSA from the Paul Binawitz case.

[01:52:59] Whether they actually know it or not, they're still doing it because those are the things that get you popular. You just take other people's work, other people's information and you fold it into your own.

[01:53:18] And we've seen several people do this even in the last two to three years.

[01:53:24] There are people that are coming up really quickly based off of other people's information that have long died, have long passed away.

[01:53:41] They've just spread their book and then they get their own ideas and thoughts are going.

[01:53:48] And then they write their own book and then they go to all these conferences, they get all these speaking deals, they get very popular on the internet.

[01:53:59] And they don't tell you where they got all that information from, they don't cite the person that came up with it in the first place or where they heard it from.

[01:54:10] They speak it like it's their own.

[01:54:14] And if you notice in this conversation, I cited where I got all this information from.

[01:54:23] I cited Chris Olbeck's book, Solsars, I cited all of the detailed information from books and documentaries from which they all Binawitz story was heavily documented in.

[01:54:38] Most people don't want to do that. They want to make it seem like they magically just got this information, they just magically came down from them from extra trust drills.

[01:54:50] They channeled it from the extra trust drills. That's how they got it because then it makes you seem special and it makes you seem like you're better than other people.

[01:55:03] And that's what a lot of these UFO cults would do.

[01:55:08] And that's a tell tell sign that you're an occult when somebody claims to be the only person that has this information and you can only go to them for the information.

[01:55:29] That's pretty much what has happened to every one of the UFO cults that I've covered, I've covered a lot of them.

[01:55:38] At some point they always claim that they're the chosen one, that there's the reincarnation of Jesus or the reincarnation of mother Mary, a Mary Magdalene.

[01:55:50] Sometimes God himself, Moses, Akanan, famous saints from the past.

[01:56:03] So it's always someone important because when you're someone important people will take you serious.

[01:56:16] You can't just be Johnny the blacksmith from the 10th century.

[01:56:26] No one's going to listen to why Johnny the blacksmith says so you got to be somebody important, you got to be Leonardo da Vinci.

[01:56:39] You got to be Mary Magdalene.

[01:56:46] Some one of importance to make sure that it's your relevant like you can't be an average person, you have to be someone special.

[01:56:57] It has to put you up on a pedestal, makes you seem special, makes you seem better than everyone else.

[01:57:02] And nobody else can have that information because it only comes through you.

[01:57:10] It is very common I've noticed not just what the UFO thing but within the cryptic communities, within the paranormal communities, within the conspiracy realms.

[01:57:22] The people that think that they are on top and they know all the answers and they have their following.

[01:57:32] I've said it is very cult like there are certain podcasters that have the same thing, they have their own little following and when they don't get along with certain people because someone questions that narrative,

[01:57:43] it starts to flame more and they make their listeners going hijack other people's podcast leave bad reviews do this do that.

[01:57:50] Leave terrible comments like bread and peep it's petty and it's stupid because I don't involve myself with any of that stuff like to me, I do my show and it's whatever I don't have to do the show.

[01:58:02] I do the show because I enjoy but at the moment it stops being enjoyable, I'm not going to do it anymore because there's no point to it.

[01:58:09] And I'm only trying to do things like to get places for people to come and talk maybe help people make them feel better.

[01:58:17] And when you deal with other people that want to control the narrative for their own benefit which most of these people, they're either grifters or using these people, again I say grifter for money purposes because I've watched what they've done and like people will donate money to them people.

[01:58:39] Why? Like if people want to do that with me, I'm not going to say no, sure whatever but that's not the point.

[01:58:46] And I feel like what these other people do with these calls to do they want people to look to them like they are superior because for some reason in their life it is lacking in the real world.

[01:58:58] So they manifest this reality that they are special and all these people are their followers.

[01:59:07] That's right and I'm God that you've been able to acknowledge that and I'm God that you see that for what it is.

[01:59:19] That's the one thing that I've always been about and I said I'm always honest and anyone that knows me in life a lot of people can say I'm an asshole personally because I'm brutally honest.

[01:59:30] That has been my biggest critique I guess is some people say that I come off arrogant.

[01:59:37] I'm like I'm not arrogant, I'm literally just telling you what I believe and I'm not going to say I'm 100% right because I know I'm not.

[01:59:47] But when it comes to certain topics and certain things and how I am I call a spade a spade and that might rub people the wrong way but I'm not going to change who I am.

[02:00:01] There's too many people, there's too many channels, there's too many broadcasters that are just going along with the nonsense.

[02:00:12] They're just they're just buying it hooklann and sinker you know and that's not getting us anywhere closer to what's going on.

[02:00:26] It's not changing anything, it's not really helping anything but I do want to comment on it does help people in the sense that it gives somebody something to listen to.

[02:00:41] Like podcasts have really helped me in the past you know get through some rough areas of my life I don't really listen to anyone anymore but during that period of time it was nice to just listen to something and listen to people talk about something.

[02:01:02] Because a lot of people are they're lonely dude like we've created a society that is.

[02:01:11] You know bent on consumerism bent on getting the next biggest and best thing.

[02:01:19] And you know like some people don't really have any kind of friends and they look to this community as a place that they can go to to you know kind of escape.

[02:01:35] And I love that about podcast.

[02:01:39] I love that day if you're feeling bad you're feeling down you're feeling depressed then you can just put on your favorite podcast and it feels like you're you're not so alone.

[02:01:51] And that's a really important thing to do so really no matter what you're talking about there is importance and can help people.

[02:02:02] But as far as like the discussion around ufology we've just a lot of people in the community has just been spinning their wheels.

[02:02:14] They're spinning their wheels over and over again they bring these people on they don't ask them tough questions they don't critically go into details about anything they just hit them with softball questions all the time they don't call them out.

[02:02:31] Now that's not saying that you be disrespectful and you don't have to yell at people or

[02:02:40] you know get angry with them like but they just throw the easiest most baseline questions at them and they get super popular.

[02:02:59] If you have certain people on your show it's going to boost your numbers.

[02:03:08] If you have certain UFO people on your show you hit them with all these stupid ridiculous softball questions that have been answered and asked to them a hundred times that they already know what they're going to say I mean I've reached out to some people.

[02:03:27] And they want me to send them a list of questions that I'm going to ask them.

[02:03:32] Yeah, I've had that happen too.

[02:03:34] And I said no dude I'm not doing that that defeats the purpose of the freaking interview dude.

[02:03:39] Like if you already know the questions that I'm going to ask you that there's no point in even doing the interview no point even doing the show.

[02:03:48] Yeah the person asked for specific questions and I replied back though I don't have anything specifically to ask.

[02:03:54] I thought I just let it be a free flow conversation from there because I don't know what I'm going to ask.

[02:04:00] Exactly. That's the way that it should be you know they want this scripted type of interview and because they don't want to answer anything that they might have said that well they're not going to say that they want to do it.

[02:04:17] Said there wasn't right in the past they don't want to be confronted about any of the things that are questionable about what they have said.

[02:04:27] So they want everything to be dotted with eyes and cross with the teeth.

[02:04:34] And that's not the way the I run things is not the way that anybody should run things so anybody that ever asked me for any kind of questions I just don't reply.

[02:04:45] I don't reply back to them. I gave you just not going to go any further with this because that's ridiculous.

[02:04:55] Well we've been over two hours I told you wouldn't be that long on episode but it's one for a little bit longer than I expected but it's been a great conversation.

[02:05:06] Thanks brother appreciate it.

[02:05:09] But yeah I was going to say I think we can go ahead and wrap this one up do appreciate you come on here if you want to let the audience know one more time where they can find you.

[02:05:19] Raise by giants on YouTube Indian all podcast platforms if you want to reach out to me personally you can find me on Instagram raise by Giants pod and X Twitter X at raise by Giants eight thanks so much for having me on my friend I really appreciate.

[02:05:38] I appreciate having you on here to I don't want to cut it off or anything like that but I've got some stuff I've got to get done here a little bit so that's what happens when we do these early in the daytime morning time things I actually have work stuff I've got to get accomplished too.

[02:05:53] So hear that.

[02:05:56] Well writers been a pleasure again everyone make sure to go and check out raised by Giants podcast check out writer stuff it's definitely informative I think you guys would enjoy it so again thanks to him and thanks for listening.

[02:06:10] Remember the truth lies in the stories we share the connections we make stay curious stay open minded thank you all for joining us on this journey and until next time keep questioning keep seeking and keep exploring the unknown.

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