Ep. 244: I Saw Something Too Big To Be Real

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw. The top of the muzzle nose and the eyes as soon as I made eye contact with this thing. And don't like death. I like to take this sign of welcome my guest tonight, Joey. Thanks for coming on here and talking with me. Thank you, Brandon. You know I appreciate you taking the time to hear me out and listen to do what I have to say. And one of the reasons I'm reaching out to you is because of a previous episode you had. That's what brought me forth. Because I don't always necessarily like to talk about the little things that people tell me that I'm crazy about or anything like that. A little bit of background about me. I've only done two jobs. I've done the military and I've done electrical work. That's what I currently do. I'm an electrician. I'm just a normal human being. I get up early, I go to work, I do my forty hours a week and you know, I'm just trying to be the best dad that I can for my little girl and her mom. And I'm just a normal human being that just for whatever reason, there's had certain sightings of certain things, And how would I put it. I experience things that apparently most people don't experience, which to me was normal, and I didn't realize it wasn't normal until I realized nobody else did. That's who I am, and that's where I'm coming from now. When you reached out to me, you had listened to a recent episode where a lady had encountered what she thought was a dog man out behind her apartment, and you guys have spoken since then and everything. Is this something that you've also experienced or how you made that connection just because of her general area, or how did that work out with you? Well, I don't live in her general area. Where I live is actually a little bit further away, okay, but I come up to my sister's house because my sister takes care of my mom, who's got dementia, So I come up here several times a week. And where my sister lives is truthfully not very far away from where she had this sighting. And I've looked on and I've seen corridors for some of the streams and rivers that run through so I literally, as the crow flies, I'm maybe twenty twenty miles away from where she had these experiences. Where I go on this thing across the street in the way that she described the tale just struck a chord with me, and that's when I reached out to you to try to get in contact with her. And you know, for. Me, it's only been a few months since this sighting, so that that was honestly what started the whole thing with me. And after the conversation I had with her, it I mean, there's a lot of details that I can go into with that, but if you're okay with it, then I can. I'd like to start at the very beginning where everything started for me, And yeah, absolutely, these things are actually out there. Yeah, I will turn it over to you and you can start from the beginning and try not to interrupting. Let's have something that really sticks out to me. Well, the way it started out for me was when I was a little kid. I live in Maryland. I grew up in Montgomery County, and you look at it now, it is hardly what anybody would call it rural county or you know, in the middle of the woods or anything. But in the eighties, just me a little kid. I used to go off into the woods with my little pellet gun and I know people are going to get mad at me, but you know, to shoot stuff and targets and stuff. So I was just a silly little kid. I was probably twelve years old. It was in the mid eighties. And one of the things I really enjoyed, especially in the summer, you know, when we were off break. I grew up poor, so we weren't going on vacations or anything. We were just off school. So I would go to the creek and I would look turtles, snakes and water snakes and stuff like that. That was that was my fun. That's how I grew up, and I'm thankful for that actually, But on this one particular day, I was waiting through the creek going upstream, and I heard and always behind me that sounded to me like a squirrel running over where they dig into the bark. So I stopped and h I turned around, and I'm trying to focus on where I heard a noise, and what I saw was what I call a little white monkey. People have corrected me on that before, said it's an eight, but I still call it. What I saw was a little white monkey. It looked like a little chimp to me, and it was coming down a tree. But it was coming down at first. Like I said, people have corrected me on whether it's a monkey or an ape, or how a chimp comes down a tree. I was twelve years old. Due I'm just telling you what I saw. I saw this little thing coming down a tree headfirst. So when I stopped, it stood out. It stood out because it was white, and we just locked eyes. We just looked at each other. We looked at each other maybe for five six seconds, but that's what I saw. It was a little tiny chimp, you know, and he was maybe two feet or so. I'm sure if he was standing, he was probably like only three feet talls, and I'm about twelve thirteen years old myself. So it's just two little kids basically running into each other in the middle of the woods. And I see these little things and it's looking at me, and eventually it just kind of goes around the tree. Just let the squirrel wok, just goes to the other side of the tree. So I start walking towards the tree, get out of the creek, and walk around the whole tree. I see absolutely nothing. I didn't feel anything. I didn't feel anything. The noise in the woods, it didn't go quiet, nothing, nothing else happened. But this is what I saw. It was a little chimp and it was not an albino. Didn't have the pale skin or the red eyes or anything. I done the best that I can to recollect this so I can speak a little bit more about it. I want to say that it had gray skin. Don't hold me to it, but I want to say it had gray's skin. And that's what I saw. I saw it. I eventually went home. I talked to my brother about it, and he said, dude, you probably just saw a squirrel. There are there are I'll buy no white squirrels, but I have never seen a squirrel that big, and I have certainly never seen a squirrel that looks like a chimps. So I don't know what I saw that day as a little kid. I just put it in the back of my head and I left it there for the longest time until I got into my late thirties and early forties and started looking at this bol bad thing. And I'm not saying that what I saw was a bigfoot. I'm simply saying this is what I saw when I was a little kid. I don't know what it was. I don't know where it came from, or I can't put anything paranormal to it. That's simply what I saw. Do you know if it had fur her hair? Could you tell if it did or if it was just colored that way. At that time, I honestly I don't think I would have known the difference, but it to me, it looked no different than what a chimp looks like, like a little baby chimp. So I don't know what they consider that, if it's fur or hair, but it was literally the same way, and that's why I call it a chimp. Right Again, I don't know what considered chimps. It's if it's hair or fur, but it was the same thing. It was flat against its body, it was thick, it was covered in Uh. That is the best of my recollection of it. Again, like I said, this was in the mid. Eighties, right, I'm thinking like if it wasn't if it didn't have hair, if it was like its actual flesh itself, that sounds very similar to what people have reported seeing when it comes to like these little crawler looking things, like the pill crawlers are like a white gray color. No, No, it definitely had hair. I just don't know if it was hair or fur is But I guess what I'm trying to say is, yeah, I know what you mean here. Oh man, it wasn't like naked skin. It it's best, you know. It sounds silly to say, but it was definitely Okay, I won't call it a monkey. It was definitely an ape. It was definitely amate of some kind. Yes, yes, exactly. I just don't know whether I can call it hair or fur because. I think primates and like with apes monkeys, I think it's all hair. I don't think they have fur. I think for more like a mammal obviously a primate's a mammal, but I think it's more like different type of animals. I'm pretty sure primates are all hair. Yeah, but it definitely handled like if you look at a chimp, like their their hair I guess just goes back like leans back. It's not it doesn't like stick up or it's not like fluffy. Maybe like sometimes with a dog, it leans back. And that's what I saw. They it had hair on it, and the hair was what was white. The skin itself was not. It wasn't like a a weird unnatural thing. For all I know, it could have been an escape primate of some sort. It could have been something that they had somewhere. Obviously set was in the seventies, so who knows what type of regulations was going on back then, But it could have been someone's pet that escaped or they let loose. Now, you know, especially back in the eighties, Maryland that does get very cold. I mean, like here recently the temperature has been eleven degreees. I mean that's that's not like super cold like up in the North or some of those states like that, but that that's still a pretty harsh winner to survive. And if you're that small, I would I could only assume that you're you're still an infant. I personally, I don't see any primates because they're mostly warm weather animals. I don't see how a little animal like that could survive, first of all on its own or through an actual winner. And personally, I've never seen a white chimp. I don't know about a white chimp. And like, I'm sure they've had like some albinos, but that's not anything very common. In the randomness of you guys running across it in the middle of an area where there shouldn't be chips in the first place makes it even more strange, right. And and like I said, when I walked up to the tree, and I walked around the whole tree, I didn't see it. I don't know. I'm not going to tell you anything else again other than what I saw or what experienced. I didn't see a hole that it could have gone into or anything else. I simply went around the tree and it wasn't anymore. And you can make of that whatever you want to make of it. But that was simply my experience. Now moving forward, once I actually heard about Bigfoot, because at that time I didn't know what Bigfoot was or anything else. I did get fascinated by when I was a little kid. You know, I started reading books about it in the library. You remember those things where people like used to put books in it with little cards the way back then. And so I started reading books on it and everything. And I was probably like sixteen seventeen by then, and uh piqued my interest. But I always thought, this is like one animal maybe to that live somewhere in northwestern California, right That's where I left it, on the West coast. Definitely not over here in Maryland. I mean, what's Maryland? And as I got older, I got more into it in my like I said, in my late thirties or forties, and. I got bold enough. And this was in twenty twenty one. I was living in a property in Frederick for a little bit that I started call blasting the Sierra Sounds. I can't tell you anything ever, answered me. Nothing happened. And eventually I'm like, okay, well, you know it's been several weeks I've been doing it, so I'm just gonna drop it and leave it alone. And then one day I leave very early for work, and I said I do electrical work most of the time. My jobs start around five o'clock, so I gotta leave at least by three point thirty. And having dogs, I get up, I got to take care of them, and so usually my alarm goes off at two forty five in the morning when I get up, and I have my system with the dogs and everything else. And the one thing I want to point out is the dogs I own are German blood working German Shepherds. They are trained in protection. They are trained basically for when I'm not at home, to make sure that my kid's okay. That's why I have those dogs. They've gotten in the fights with coyotes before. The male has definitely handled himself, chased a couple of bears off that a couple chased a bear off before. So these dogs are not afraid of. The animals around. And this one day, I walk out with them and I'm expecting them to go to the back and do their thing like normal, and they won't come off the porch. So I'm like, okay, dude, let's go. Like you know, they had dog doors, but I'm like, come on, let's go. Because it was just a matter of how I socialized them, but they wouldn't come off the porch. And a few seconds later there was a creek that ran about four hundred meters behind that property, and down at that creek and a little bit to the left of the back of the home. I hear to me what sounds like two chimps argument. I won't make the notes because obviously I can't recreate it, but if you can think of two chimps the way they sound, you know how they had like that by high pitch kind of Yeah. I heard an interaction and it was only maybe five ten seconds of it, but you could clearly tell there were two individuals that had that interaction, and and my dogs were already looking in that direction. I I cannot tell you what happened out there or what was out there. All I can tell is my dogs refused to come off the porch, and they were all already standing there looking in that direction. And when I heard that, I just brought everybody back in and I said, Okay, we're done for today. I gotta go to work. Let's go. Again. I do not believe that, as far as I know, that the state of Maryland has any that has a viable chimp population. I don't know many great apes that are in the state of Maryland. I don't know a monkey that's in the state of Maryland that's native. So I'm just telling you what I heard. And about a week or two later after that, mind you, like I said, I have been blasting the fear sounds. I get woken up one night and it was right around midnight, maybe a little bit past midnight, by this sound, and it wakes me up. And basically what I hear is like somebody beating on a tree. It's it's like somebody taking a wooden baseball back to a tree and I can hear it and goes. It would do it three times, it would just go back, and it was so loud. That's how it woke me up again. I go back to my dogs. They're trained. If you come up to the house in the middle of the night, they're not necessarily gonna bark because they're trained. But this is what you're gonna get. And I look my dogs. It was all my dogs sleep, but they got little beds around the bed and everything. And even the biggest male I have was like slammed down into the bed in the middle of his claws with his head, and the seers were just back like they looked like they were trying to bury themselves into their beds. And that's not the dogs I have. You know, if you came to my front door and started clicking the door in with a shotgun, those dogs would be the first ones down there. But all it took was for this sound coming from the woodline, which was maybe about one hundred feet away from the house is where the woodline started, and I had gone back there. I'd seen dead Beard. That's where the coyotes did their things and everything. So I know that there's wilderness sound, I get it. But that night there was something out there I will assume beating on a tree. And after I've talked to a couple of people after this, it kind of makes a little bit more sense to me. Anyway, there would be three knocks done really hard that sounded like solid wood knocks, like on a tree, wood on wood. But then the pitch of the other sound was different and so much faster, And somebody played the sounds of a gorilla beating its chest. I don't know if you've ever heard that or not, but they like beat on their chest, you know, showing dominance really hard and really fast, and that actually sounded really familiar to to what I heard that night. And again I'm I'm not gonna tell you that that I know what was out there. I'm simply gonna tell you that what I heard was three massive knocks, like somebody was beaten on the on a tree, and then after three knocks, it would stop and just the sound would change and would go so fast like but it sounded a little bit more hollowed, and I do think that person. I I'm afraid to say it in that sense, but truthfully, it makes sense. It sounded like something would hit and then just beat on the chest. So what I did was I reached for my phone on the nightstand, and I'm looking for the camera so I can record what I'm hearing. And as soon as I pick up the phone, it stops, immediately stops, and I'm just sitting there. I mean, it's almost midnight, it's pitch black, well not obviously not in the room, but you know it's so I'm looking around at the dogs, everything else, and I know this sounds weird, but all of a sudden, I just get this feeling like this unnatural feeling of fear. Mind you, I'm doing nothing but singing in my bed. I have all the dogs around me, I have a tool that can help me on the night stand, and my hair just stands up. I just got this unnatural fear. My hair stands up, and I don't know what I'm dealing with anymore. And all it took was for me to pick up the phone to record this. Now, once I close the app, I hear it again, but in a matter of seconds, it's so much further away. Again. I'm gonna even tell you what that was, because I never saw anything out there. That is simply my experience. People tell me that it was a sasquatch. I don't know, because I've never experienced one. I've never seen one hitting a tree to begin with. I've never seen one beating on his chest. I don't even know how the heck something in the woodline would know when I pick up my phone. Yeah, how so that's the weird thing I was thinking about. I was like, how would it know what you're doing if it's not able to see you directly? Right? And that's why I tell you, Brandon, I told you, I was just going to tell you what what I've experienced. I'm not going to tell you what it is because I don't know what it is. People tell me that it's one thing or another. Maybe I'm just only what i've experienced. I think these things aren't natural. Yeah, but that's a whole nother conversation. I'm sure you know. I lean more tours with God comported things. The Lord risks in peace with him. But you know, I that's where I come from. It's I've had these experiences. That's what what I experienced with these things. I used to hunt a lot. I used to go fishing a lot, and I don't live too far away from what they called the Potomac River, and it's a you know, decent signs river. I used to go down there all the time you go fishing, but I used to always try to go down there before people got there, you know, just like thus starting to break. So it's not like when I was hunting. When you go into when it started, it was, you know, just still dark, but you know, lights con consume. And it's a fair decent sized trail. I was going up the trail and I start hearing these owls. I had one on the left and I had one on the right and they're talking back and forth to each other. And my hair didn't go up, but it just felt really unnatural because I've seen olves out there plenty plenty of times. When I get there, I've seen owls. They aren't there. They do everything. I mean, we got We're fortunately we have an area with a lot of predatory birds, falcons, hawks, some eagles and stuff, so owls definitely great horn owls, you know, animals out there. I've never had one follow me, and that's exactly what these things were doing. Like I walked maybe a quarter of a mile and they stayed next to me, hooding back and forth. I eventually I did get uncomfortable enough that I just turned around and went back to my car because I was the only one out there. And that was the first time I've ever been followed by an owl. I for owls, I guess, because like I said, there was one on the left of the path, there was one on the right of the path. And again, can I tell you what that was? All I can tell you was two els who I have absolutely no idea what was out there. I didn't hear anything walking through the woods. I didn't see any shapes through the woods. I just heard the noises following me. My brother in law not too far up from where my sister lives. He also does a lot of hunting. He was on a deer stand overlooking a field and some started breaking branches behind him, and eventually, he said, it started to growl at him, and eventually he roared at him. And when they roared at him, he came off that deer stand, walked down into the field, called my sister and asked her to come pick him up. You know, he got on the GPS. He walked through the towards the nearest road because if he went back to his truck, he would have had to go back into the woods and back into wherever this thing was. He's had more experiences, but he refuses to talk about. But I only know that story because of my sister and she told me like that dude was scared. And then he's a pretty rough dude too. He's also ex military. He's a pretty rough guy. And for something to drive him out of his tree stand like that, and he's got rightful. I think he had a thirty odd six that you know that that's gotta say something again. I can't tell you. I cannot tell you that this is a sasquatch. And I've yet to see a ten foot monkey in the woods. Okay, I've never seen that. I'm just relating my experience. I think there are a lot of similarities between with people experience and how they react to it, just because I know of other people that have had experiences similar and they're not the type of person you would think would get scared of something and then all of a sudden something happens and they leave the woods. I was talking to someone recently, not recorded or anything like that, just in general, and they're out coyote hunting all the time, and they mentioned that there was just something about where they were that felt off, and the surrounding area got really quiet, and they just couldn't shake that fear. They've never been overcome by fear before. And they left and they haven't been back out there, because at least not since I spoke with them about it, because they said there's just something strange. They didn't see anything, they didn't hear anything, but just something felt off. And if they hunt all the time, it's just weird that something like that would set someone off to where they got so afraid that they wanted to leave and not even hunt anymore in that area. Right, and just to give you a point of reference, I'll even give you this example before. This must have been two thousand and early two thousand and seven. Friend of mine, we were pig hunting in Georgia, bow hunting, and long story short, we ended up tracking a bear accidentally, and when we cornered him, this bear charges out of the woods the trubs that he was in. I was bow hunting, but I still carried a farm with me. I pulled it. Obviously, I didn't shoot him. But that bear, as soon as he out of the woods, I mean, he scared you know what out of us. We're just human beings. It startled us, right, even though it's just the black bear, because we were in Georgia. It's just the black bear. But that's not an animal you want to go toe to toe with. So I immediately drew on it. But he, thankfully, he just ran back down the hill. You know, we laughed about it later and everything, but my hair never stood up. You know. It wasn't like, yes, he startled us, Well, no, let's just say he scared us. He did scare us. Two military guys with those in handguns, and he scared us. Just a little old black bear. My hair never stood up. That would never put me in a position where I would say I'm never going back into the woods hunting again. It was just the bear, the things that I've experienced. I feel very uncomfortable in the woods now, and I don't even know how to explain it or how to say that to people. I no longer feel comfortable in the woods, you know. And that brings me to the to the point of how you and I get started, And the email is with the person you had on and what I saw. And this was only a few months ago, and it took several months for me just to process it. But what happens within my line of work sometimes I do mostly I do they shifts. Sometimes every once in a while, I have to do a night shift for whatever, depending what building we're working at or who we're working for. We got to do an outage, and obviously it's causes less of a disturbance if it's at night. So we do do some laid work sometimes. And I was leaving it was about three pm, you know, the sun was out for eything else. So I go down. I get to the stops, and I got to go right, but obviously I'm going to look both ways. And when I look to my left, I caught movement and I see this black thing going across the road, and I immediately think fare because I've seen this before. I'm thinking fare. But obviously as I look at it, I see it. By the time I mine actually focuses on it and really takes it all in. I didn't see the head. I saw from the shoulders back, and it had a long tail. Where near the body the hair was really short, and as it went away from the body, the hair got longer, longer and longer, and it got really bushy. And that's why I identified with the previous person that you had on your podcast. So I tend to kind of like you. I rather debunk something before I can say this is what it is, because even with all the stuff that I told you right now, all I can tell you is I don't know what it is. This is just my experience. So that the same thing with this thing. I look at this thing. I've seen bears run across the road. I've seen a bear that almost charged me and runs down the hill. I been in these situations before. I do have a military record. I do have the ability to put two and two together, so to speak. But this thing, I couldn't get it out of my head, and I kept going back to it and going back to it and going back to it. One of the other things, maybe I should have said this earlier. But one of the other things I do is I work with a lot of rescues, mostly with German shepherds, but I worked with Ruttweiler's, I worked with great Danes, I worked with great pyarentees. I work with a lot of large breed dogs. My current dogs, I take him out the field. I just let the dog run and get it all out of his system and everything else. I know what a dog looks like at one hundred and two hundred meters, I know what they look like at that distance. And this just wouldn't leave me alone because of what I had seen crossing the road. So what I did is I literally went home and I measured my dog, and he is twenty four inches at the shoulder and without the head, from the shoulder to the back, not the tail, just from the shoulder to the back. He's thirty inches the head with the neck, it's a little bit more. Just the head alone is like fourteen inches because he's German working lines, but so he's got a big head. But thirty inches thirty inches right, that's like what two feet and. A half yeah, two and a half feet. I've measured the road. The road is twenty feet, so each lane technically has ten feet. Right. This animal that I saw because of the it was going crossing where a part where there's like a turn. And maybe I should say this also right in that area, there's a little wood thicket where a lot of deer come across too, So there's like a deer trail that goes through there. Now I don't I don't know the area. They're well enough to speculate where it woulds go up there saying there's a there's an actual deer trail because my sister and I almost hit a deer there a one time before, so I know they go through there. I've seen them there before. It's a little piece of woodland that goes in between all the houses. But at that distance, knowing how small my dog looks at that distance, that animal dwarf my dog, I like, I said, I've been around Great Danes. I've even seen an Irish town. The wolfhounds pretty big, tall dogs. I've never seen a dog that's two to three times the size of my dog though. And this dog, when I was crossing the road was taking up almost half the lane. And that's without the head, like from shoulder rear, like I said, not county tail or anything shoulder. The thing was taking almost half the road. The road. If one lane is ten feet wide, this animals taking stick seven eight feet of it. The average road width is about eleven feet, what like from it's twenty two feet, so the lane width would be about eleven feet roughly. So you're looking at like you said, six to eight feet of body. Correct, not that's not included because you know the dogs have a longer neck and then the head and the sane literally like from the shoulder, from the where the front paws are to its radar without the tail, this animal is taking almost half the road. That's almost the size of of just thinking in my brain right now, like that's almost like horse size when it comes to like length. That's huge for a dog. Correcked or a canine. Because I've even had people well maybe you saw a wolf, It's like, I don't. I'm pretty sure. I'm ninety nine point nine percent sure that we do not have wolves in Maryland. Especially if we did, maybe red wolves that have come up from South Carolina or something like that. But it's timbered arcticsts. Even they don't get that big. I think said, I don't even think wolves get that large. No, they even a two hundred pound wolf maybe five feet long and you know, three feet at the shoulder or something. But to take that much road space is the reason why I reached out to the person you interviewed, because it's not too far from where she had her encounter. Now, I'm gonna tell you that I saw you know. I've heard you several times on not just on your podcast, but I've heard your story several times, and it's very fascinating. By the way, I didn't see a keenan on its rear legs. I'm not gonna come here and lie to you. I didn't see a kenon on its rear legs. I didn't see, you know, one of these huge things turning. I saw a roadside crossing of what kind of only the scribe is a very very large canine animal. And because, like I said, because of the training I have had, is why I couldn't let it go. And where caught my attention. That's when I went to measuring my dog. I went to measure the road, and it just to this day, it doesn't add up in my head. It still doesn't add up to my head that you can't be that big and be a dog. And that's what I tell you is I'm not going to tell you what I saw as far as what I think it is. I'm only telling you what I actually. Saw, right, and that's what I saw. I have no idea of any sort of canine that would be that large. Even a wolf I'm pretty sure does not get that large. Even if it was a Northern wolf, I still don't think they get that large. And the largest ones that i've just I'm looking on my phone right now would have been like a dire wolf that is no longer around here. It's extinct, supposed to be, So I don't have an explanation for that. Some people like to tell me I saw a bear, Well, what you saw wouldn't have had a big old tail if it was a bear. No, And that's the thing is, I saw the tail, and even like I said, I've seen the bears around here. Like if you go to western Maryland, you might get a five hundred pound bear, But the rest of the state, we don't get bears that big. You know, We're we just don't. We're not that far north where these animals get that big. We do have them. They even where I live in Frederick. They come through the neighborhood sometimes and the neighbors will send out alerts from their ring cameras and stuff. So, but maybe two three hundred pounds and a two three hundred pound bear, it's it's not the heat the same, but it's not even that much bigger than my dog. Obviously they're thicker and have more muscle. They might be maybe a foot longer, but they don't take up half the freaking road when they're crossing it. How I'm just thinking it, not to interrupt, but like, how tall do you think it was from the ground to its top of its back? A very conservative estimate, I would say it was at least at least twice the height of my dog, but I probably would say a little bit more so, at least four to five feet to the shoulder. Yeah, there's no way it's a wolf. For a dog, there's just nothing that tall that large, So I if it is, if it was a canine, then it's one of the biggest canines that I've heard about. Now. I did speak to a lady a few years ago that said she saw something when it was walking on all fours. It was taller than the front of her hood of her truck. So that sounds very in line to about the height of what you're describing. And I'm not sure. I can't remember off hand in what state that she was from, but. I don't know. Like when it comes to things like this, I don't have a I wish I had an answer. That's why I do what I do, because I want to know what everyone's seen. I want to know what I saw. I want to know what you saw. I want to know what everyone out there experiences. But it's hard to wrap your head around things that make no sense exactly. And that's yeah, I know, And that's why I've told you, and I tell people it's like I'm not telling you you know this is this or this is that. I'm simply telling you this is what I saw. I don't know what it is. I can't tell you what it is because you know, like the person that I spoke to me, it wasn't standing on its hind legs browning it, and it wasn't facing me like a man. I saw a really huge animal that should not be that big according to the United standards, cross the road. That's it. That's all I saw. And because in my training, I was able to go back measure everything and realize that it's okay, this is this isn't normal. It should not be this big. And you know, when I see a bear cross the road, I just think to myself, Wow, that's really cool. You know, it's a cool experience it that was awesome got to see a bear today. This thing has just lingered in my head and I can't let it go. I know the feeling. Do you have you been back down that way or did when you went back and measured it, did you actually look for any sort of prints or anything any tracks? I did there. There's nothing there. And like I said, I mean, it's like a small livid between houses. It's like how is it here or why would it be here? Why would an animal like that be here? It's it's literally in between houses. Yeah, that the wooded area might be sixty seventy feet wide. The little path as far as like the the actual wood wooded area there, there's like a little tiny pond right there. But other than that, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense why something that large would be in such a neighbor hooded area correct or where it would go afterwards, where it came from, where it would go. Exactly they and that's why, you know what, Maybe somebody read some hybrid and it got loose. It was just some wolf hybrid of some sort. Maybe that's what I saw. All I'm saying, I saw an immensely large canine cross the road, and I'll leave it at that. People can make what they want of it. I'm not going to tell you what it was because I don't know what it was. All I know is I can go back to the facts, to the information I have, the measurements I took, and tell you that that animal was extremely large for a canine. You mentioned a hybrid, and it got me thinking, I've seen someone that has bred those before, they've bred a wolf with I can't think of the breed, but the dog itself almost looked like a very large collie like the color, evidence hair and everything was like a large collie. But even still, it wasn't nearly as large as what you're describing. No, even wolves, even large wolves that I've heard about, Like I said, they I've never heard of a wolf couple hundred pounds to even two hundred and fifty pounds wolf I've heard of that's about five feet long, But they include the whole everything, the head and everything. I'm what I saw was only from the shoulder to the rear. I never saw the head on it, but I don't know what the head looked like. I don't know if it had a mean or not. I literally saw it from the shoulder to the rear and that's it. But that alone was taking up almost half. The road according to what I'm seeing online, and don't always believe everything you see online, but it says the Northwestern wolf is one of the largest subspecies and the males can get up to seven feet long in weigh over one hundred and sixty pounds. But it says the height of them to the shoulder is about thirty three inches, so that's still less than three feet. Yeah, three inches short of three This thing was easily at least. This is just an estimate, just because I work with dogs for so long. I measured my dog. I know what he looks like at that distance. That thing was easily at least twice or more the height of my dog. And I have a big dog. I mean, it doesn't sound you know, twenty one, and it doesn't sound big. But when he with his neck and his head goes up and he's a big dog, he's one hundred pounds. That's a big dog. He's trained in protection. When he hits you feel every bit of it that that's a big dog. And that goes back to, you know, the other experiences I told you, How is a dog that's trained to do that tower when it's already been in fight with coyotes, kilded coyote and done all the others. Chase the barrel out of something in a tree line, just knocking on a tree, Why does it make it cower in my hair? Stand up? Yeah? That's those are the questions that I honestly, and I know this is not what most people want to hear, but I think those are the things that are going to haunt you for a while because it's the same things that haunt me. I'm going on twenty years now of trying to figure out, well, it'll be nineteen going on nineteen years now of trying to figure out exactly what I saw. And I literally think about it every single day, as weird as it is and as much as I wish I did, And it's one of those things that's just stuck with you. A lot of times, I think to myself and I wish, you know, to be like everybody else that's just blissfully of all this stuff. Is like, I don't want to know that these things are out there. I don't want to know that these things exist. I've said the same thing. But had I just kept driving and ever went back, I wouldn't be talking to you right now. I wouldn't be doing this show. And people say things happen for a reason, and maybe this is the whole point of what I was supposed to be doing in the first place, was doing the show to give people the opportunity like you to talk. And I do appreciate that, I certainly do. And the only reason why I bring this up, I mean, the first time I ever admitted this wasn't that too that long ago, and I was very nervous about it, made the whole little White chimp, because you know, there's a stigma that comes with that. People think you're just that you're dumb, that they you got a shrew loose or something. And it's like, I'm actually pretty stable within my line of work. I've run multimillion dollar jobs. I'm pretty sure I'm pretty stable. And then I still do not explain what I've seen. You know, it's it's not something that I want to go talking about because I don't want to be labeled the freak that believes in nonsense. Now that I'm older now I'm almost fifty on forty nine. Now I don't care. I don't care what you think of me or what do you believe. So maybe that's why I'm starting to talk about it nowadays. But it is what it is. I saw what I saw. I don't care what you tell me. I don't care what you want to brand it and call it. This is what I saw. I'm not telling you what I've seen or what I think. I'm simply telling you this is what I saw, this is what I've experienced. It. Then when you throw the rest of my life into it, did shoot this is just a drop in the bucket. I've heard you talking before about how people that have one certain experience seem to have tons of other experiences with the rest of the stuff. I mean, I got a boatload of paran oliver experiences that I can talk to you about. I've seen UFOs, I've seen in a lot more things that I'm sure people wouldn't I wouldn't want to see. If you would like to share some of those, I'd definitely love to hear about them. I'll tell you one thing, one of the one of the creepiest things, and this is what I relate back to the big thing when my hair stood up after the deployment. Long story, short dig. We were getting together in Fort Bragg, one of my sister's houses, or just the holidays. Everybody hated her house, and there's tons I could go into to her out, but I'll tell you this one story. My daughter was already born, she was only a few months old, and she gave us upstairs master bedroom so we could have a bathroom. You know, when you have a baby, you need a lot more obviously, And what I did, because we didn't bring the night light, is I left the bathroom light on as a night light. I wake up somewhere and probably two thirty three in the morning, somewhere in there to change my daughter and Peter. I know I had to change her diaper aub my sister had given us this little folding cop you know. We filled the tons of pillows and everything so she wouldn't roll off. So I'm over there. I get over there, I'm changing her diaper, and my back's to the bathroom. And as I'm doing this, a shadow comes over over the bathroom and when immediately my hair just stands up again. There was some something blocking the light that was coming from the bathroom. As I'm changing my daughter my backs to the bathroom. I've been in the military. I have the training. I'm don't panic now. I'm thinking, Okay, I'm going to finish what I'm doing, and as soon as I'm done, I'm going to turn around and face whatever's behind me. I finished the diaper, I balled the other one up to make sure she doesn't get into it, and I say, as soon as I lift up to turn around, it disappears. If it had been a human being, did if it had been one of my family members playing a prank on me or anything else, because even though the door was locked the bedroom door, I would have seen a foot and arm something, I would have seen something going back into the bathroom. I walk into the bathroom. Obviously there's nothing there. I put my daughter in between her mom and me. I didn't wake her mom up. I put her between me and I just lay there wait the rest of the night, looking at the bathroom. I again, I can't tell you what that was. I don't know what that was. Only I can tell you as soon as that shadow came, my hair just stood up and I just felt it. I felt it in my body, and that was the feeling that you would get in that house. I don't know what that was. Some houses just have a lot of weird energy to them, And I don't know if that's what draws things in or if it's the things itself that gives it that energy. But sometimes I just feel like there's certain places. Maybe it's the land, who knows, but there's just something about it that's just a little off. And I've never understand, like I'm trying to think of how to word this correctly, but I've never understood how some people can have experiences in certain places, and then other people that have been there don't have those experiences. Has your sister ever talked about stuff going on too? What she told me about that house because they lived there, obviously she eventually, once they sold that house, they finally moved and got stationed up here in Maryland too. What she told me about that house is I don't want to talk about it because I don't want to acknowledge it. That's what she told me. But at that point they didn't live upstairs. It was a two story house story home. Her husband and her had made one of the bedrooms downstairs. Their master bedroom in my nephew's room was one of the other rooms downstairs. They they refuse to go upstairs. The refusing to acknowledge is actually common. We do that here in my own house. But uh now, I completely get that aspect to it is you don't want to give something the energy or the attention that it could be seeking. But someone also recently told me that by ignoring it, you're showing it that you're afraid of it too. So I don't know if ignoring it is also the correct way to go about it either. I truthfully, like I when we started talking before the interview. I don't know how far you want to go into this stuff, but I mean I I have tons of stuff. I just don't know what your time looks like. In well, what I can say, I'm as good for as long as you want to talk. But we've been going on for a little over an hour. So if you think this would be better off as its own separate episode, we can schedule another time and just talk about all the paranormal aspects of what you've experienced. That way, it's kind of its own little thing. Sure, that can certainly work, because I can tell you for a fact, I can keep going for hours on this with the paranormal stuff. We will definitely get something set up here in the next few weeks. I have some openings here coming up soon, and I will get you added to that. We can talk about that here off air. But before we wrap it up, is there anything else you would like to say for anyone listening, especially if they're in your area and they've seen something similar. And I want to tell people is like, we don't know what we're seeing necessarily, and if you did see something straight up, it's you know what, open up about it? Because when you just close up and just refuse to talk about it, it's just harder on you. You know, once you get past that point of people thinking that you're crazy, just open up and let it out, because there's enough people in this world now that have experienced similar things and you don't have to keep it bottled, and it's just better if you just let it out and talk to people that have been in your situation. That's all I would have to say. That is the one thing I do recommend to anyone listening if you've ever had an experience. I'm not even just saying that they come talk to me, Like, find someone that you can talk to about it, because having a lot of weird an unexplainable questions and everything can eat away at you. Just speaking from personal experiences here, not being able to talk about stuff for so long can cause people to really question a lot more than anything, your own sanity half the time, wonder if you're crazy for that long. So I understand, and again I appreciate you coming on here and talking with me tonight. Thank you, Brandon. It's been a wonderful conversation. Thank you for taking the time. Not a problem if you would like to be a guest on tenfoil Tels, remember to send an email to Tenfoil Tells Podcast to gmail dot com, or you can also go to tenfoiltales dot com and go to the contact section. Just make sure to reach out and get hold of me and we will get something schedule for a future episode. 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