Ep. 187: Penn Ohio Cryptid Research

[00:00:03] And I just turned around and I pulled ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with that. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my headlights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most were the eyes were glowing red.

[00:00:30] I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw a UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about? That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it. And that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes.

[00:00:58] As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, it felt like death. Welcome back to Tinfoil Tales. I am your host, Brandon. Tonight we are joined by Craig and Paul. Guys, thanks for coming on here and talking to me tonight. Thank you. Thank you for having us. Would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself? I'm Paul. I am co-founder of Penn Ohio Cryptid Research.

[00:01:28] Been hunting and fishing all my life. Been out in the woods all my life. Been interested in Bigfoot since I was a little kid. So, you know, did a lot of armchair research like everybody else. You sit there and watch the shows. And one day I happened to be talking to Craig, buddy across the street here, and found out he was into it. And we decided to try our luck and go out in the woods and mess around a bit.

[00:01:57] And it's turned into a lot more than what we expected. So. Sounds like what usually happens with some people is when they start looking into, they end up finding things and it almost becomes like an addiction. Yeah, it is. It is that. Yeah, it is. This is Craig here. Yeah, I'm the same as Paul. I mean, I remember when the Gimlin Patterson film come out, I was just a little kid, you know, and I was like, yeah, that thing's real, you know.

[00:02:26] So I was interested in it ever since then. But I never went out into the field. I never even thought about it, you know, until like Paul said, we were talking one day and we said, you know, let's go, you know, and we're starting in our eighth year of in the field research now. So we've been, we've been at it for going on eight years in the field. And, uh, it's like a, it's a, it's like a snowball. You put it at the top of a hill, you know, and it starts rolling. It just, you can't stop.

[00:02:55] There's no quitting now. No, that's like I said, it's the addiction part of it. I know a lot of people that I've talked to, like once they start getting into this, that just kind of snowballs down hill where they just keep going out and always looking for that evidence, always looking for the, everything they can, because I don't know what it is about it, but it's like that mystery that we all want to solve. Yeah. Yeah. It's, you know, you think about it though.

[00:03:22] You want to solve it when it's solved, what are we all going to do? No more. That's what I say with these shows. Like when they're out looking for Bigfoot and everything, I was like, what are they going to do when they find one? They're talking to have a show anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we, we've kind of branched a little bit and started gathering UFO reports and stuff as well. So, you know, it kind of wasn't on purpose.

[00:03:48] People that know we do Bigfoot started talking to us about UFOs and, and ghosts and everything else, you know? So, right. Well, Paul was a ghost hunter at one time. Yeah. And he did that for quite a few years. Yeah. But, but yeah, so we've gone down the rabbit hole with Bigfoot and, and we're stepping onto the UFO stuff. And so it's been pretty interesting the last year.

[00:04:18] I've noticed you mentioned the UFO stuff. Do you think there's any sort of connection with Bigfoot with some of these UFO things? Cause I know a lot of people seem to correlate Bigfoot sightings with UFO sightings. You know, what I, what I did was I took a map of the United States and I plotted Bigfoot sightings across the U S you know, the heavy concentration. And I plotted the cave systems across the United States.

[00:04:48] Mm-hmm . They match up. They do. And then on a whim, I decided to look at UFO reports. And the heaviest concentration of UFO reports and Bigfoot sightings and cave systems all overlap. Mm-hmm . Um, you can look at maps online.

[00:05:09] You can see it already done, but I mean, I've done it myself, but, uh, I, there, there, there's some type of connection there. Either, either the Bigfoot is fascinated with the lights and they all come running out to look at the stars or whatever, or, or UFOs are interested in the Bigfoot. Yeah. Yeah. Or there's a direct connection. So. I've done, I've done the same thing where I've.

[00:05:37] Overlaid like cryptid sightings and UFO sightings and missing people and the cave systems and they all line up. It's just. They all line up. Yep. Yes, they do. No, we started out. We originally started out. We're just looking for Bigfoot. Right. And, and, uh, Like an ape. We, we, that's what we, we, we, we thought. We were going to find, but the one spot that we go to, we've had, we've had recorded. Wood knocks.

[00:06:07] We had a tree ripped down in front of us. We had, uh, whistles. We've had screams. We've had rock strode at us. And on top of that, we're sitting there, not we're out there late at night. There's where we, this spot where we investigate. It's like about a mile and a half in on an old dirt road. One way. And when you get to the dead end, there's, there's, there's water behind you. There's nobody, there's nobody out there. Okay. But us.

[00:06:35] And, and we're, we're out there investigating. And, uh, all of a sudden this field just starts lighting up and then dimming down, lighten up and dimming down. And then right after that, one tree about maybe 25 yards from us starts shaking. Yeah. I mean, shaking, shaking. You ever see a documentary?

[00:07:00] Like when you're harvesting like nuts on a tree, that machine comes up and grabs it and it shakes it. It makes the whole thing vibrate. Yeah. It was doing that one tree. We thought it was rain coming in. We were going to pack up our equipment and go, you know, even though the field was light and it was going to start pouring down rain. We were going to sound like rain. It sounded like rain. And, and then the field it down and then it went dim back up.

[00:07:27] And, and this, no, that was the first of, of strange stuff happening in that. No, it's just in this one spot. We have a couple other spots we go to where it's only just Bigfoot stuff that happens, you know, but, and then, and, and then we always set our game trail cameras up. When we, when we set them up, we'll set up a, a camera on the camera.

[00:07:53] So what one camera picks up, the other one should pick it up too, because they're, they're pointing at each other. We do that mainly. If somebody steals our camera, we have an idea maybe of who took our camera, but it turns out it, it turns into a mystery. The, the, the, the one right on the documented spot where we had a tree ripped down in front of us 50 yards from there. We checked our cameras.

[00:08:22] There's, there's two glowing figures from a distance. Then the next picture there, they're closer. And then the last picture that you could see there's two glowing figures standing right there in, in front of the camera. Then there's 150 blank pictures. The other camera only had a picture of Paul turning the camera on and turning the camera off. We don't know. We have no idea where, now this is in the middle of the woods. There's no light sources.

[00:08:50] If somebody is walking through the woods with a, with a, uh, uh, can't a light on or something. The other camera would have picked it up. Right. It, it, it, we, we just can't explain it. So I'm in the, I don't know camp to make a long story short. I, I don't know what's going on. I think there's more to it than we think there is, but if I can't say for sure, cause I don't know. Yeah. We discussed with army core of engineers on this lake.

[00:09:21] And, uh, even they don't like to go to this area because they, they came to us and said, Hey, have you guys ever seen that field light up like it does? Right. Of course we have, you know, we have photos, but, um, and, uh, he was telling us, yeah, he said, we don't want to like to come down here by ourselves. So they don't ever travel down in there at nighttime. And so we're not the only ones experiencing it. It's just that these guys ain't going to tell everybody. Right.

[00:09:52] So, so you've actually spoken to the core of engineers. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. They sold us. They saw the same thing. They saw the field light up. I'm doing a local documentary that I'm filming. And it just so happens around this area, there's the army core of engineers. I've always thought it was strange that they had anything to do with like the national park and the dam and everything else, but they're out there. They are.

[00:10:19] And there's a lot of weird sightings that go out there, not just UFO, but there's a lot of weird cryptid stuff too. So now I'm kind of interested if I should stop by their office and see if there's anyone there, if they'll actually talk to me or not. Yeah. This guy, they might, he approached us. We were out setting cameras and whatever. And, uh, he pulled up in his truck and just started talking and he let it out. So. Yeah. He said he saw the exact same thing. He saw the field light up at night.

[00:10:49] Yeah. We've now we've only seen it twice. And I mean, this is going on, you know, in, in eight years, it doesn't happen all the time, but we have no explanation for it. And we went into the field and did in, in not when it was light enough, but at night or the next day. And Paul did some readings with the. You've got with a tri field. Uh, EMF. And I took a compass in.

[00:11:18] And, uh, one part of the field, you're three degrees. Out to the east and the other part of the field, you're three degrees out to the west. So I did a bunch of digging and found out that this area of Pennsylvania is in a magnetic flux. So it wavers all the time in, you know, in a small patch of area that runs up through the state. And it just happens to be here.

[00:11:46] So I don't know if that has anything to do with the lighting. You know, there's people that talk about earthquake lights and stuff like that, but we don't have, you know, we don't have nothing like that around here. So. I'm not a scientist or an expert in anything. So I have no answers, but I think there's. Some sort of. Intertwined connection when it comes to the weird phenomena that goes on. I can't.

[00:12:14] I don't know anything else other than that's just my opinion, which means nothing, but. Um, I'm on your page. Um, we're, we're in that camp too. We, we, we think there's something, but. We don't know. Yeah. That's. We can't say we do cause we don't. That's what I like with people like you is. You're not coming on here to tell me that this is exactly what's going on. We know this for a fact because. I've always said it. Yeah. Anyone that has a hundred percent proof in fact, like.

[00:12:44] You would be. Able to share that proof of fact. Like everyone says they're an expert and all this stuff. It's like, how are you an expert in it? Cause there's been no. Verifiable proof of research. Right. Well, thank you. That's what we, we, we was at a conference. Uh, this was pre COVID up in, uh, Lake Lake Chautauqua. And we talked to, uh, Paul Bartholomew. And, and he gave us some good advice.

[00:13:10] He said, listen, you guys, when you go out there, because we took our, some of our evidence that we had gathered, you know, so we have. We found friends cast prints and we found some, uh, tree structures and stuff. And, uh, he, he gave us some advice and we, and we stick to that. We're investigators. We're not the scientists. We don't know. We, we gather what we gather. We know what we've got. Cause it's on our cameras and it's on our recordings.

[00:13:39] You know, we, we were there and, and you just present it. If, if they believe it. Okay. If they don't, it's, it's okay. You know, we, we don't. We just did investigate. We're not the scientists. Yeah. Yeah. That's to me. That's the way I would go about things because I'm not out to prove one way or the other. I'm just out here to try and see what I can figure out for myself. That's exactly what we're kind of adrenaline junkies.

[00:14:06] Anyhow, you know, like when the, when the lightning storm comes through the down through the town, you know, I'm, I'm on, on my porch and. Oh, usually beats me out there. I'd be him out there. We're sitting out in the middle of the storm watching the, watching the thunderstorm. Yeah. I used, I used to be that way. If I had a front porch these days, I'd probably still sit out there, but I don't have a porch. I got a back porch, but it's not covered. So I'll get poured rain on if I'm out there. Yeah.

[00:14:36] It's, it's crazy. Once you start a couple of things happen and then it just, you, you get hooked and next thing you know, you're going out two, three times a week. We don't go out in the winter time unless we get a call. Um, you know, we're, uh, it's a hobby. It's not a, it's not life. Yeah. It's only, it's only not getting paid. It's only 14 degrees here right now.

[00:15:02] So yeah, that's, it's around the single digits here at currently. But when chill earlier was like, said felt it feels like negative one. Yeah. Where are you out of? Indiana. Okay. That's right. I'm in North central Indiana. So we get, I'm surrounded by cornfields. So basically there's no wind block. So if it's windy, it's freezing. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:15:31] So what's some of the things you guys come across on these other than the lights or whatever? What's like for Bigfoot stuff? What have you come across? We've, we've found, uh, footprints that we've cast. We have them on our, our, our page. Uh, we're under, uh, we're on Facebook, uh, Penn Ohio cryptid research. Okay. And we have all our photos on there. You, you want us to share and can you see them?

[00:15:56] Um, you could share them with me, but because this won't get released as a video, it's not really gonna matter. Okay. But you can, you'll be, which one is it? There it is. Okay. Okay. Did we lose them? Are you there? No, I'm still here. Okay. He's just, they're not, he's not running camera.

[00:16:28] Yeah. I guess I can figure this out now. Yeah. That's okay. We don't have to worry about that. I can look at them from the Facebook page. Yeah. Yeah. If you, if you go to it, you can see, uh, you can see, uh, we, we, the, the one thing we, we got is, uh, is, uh,

[00:16:55] we got, uh, we started seeing these shadows and they were, they were, there was no, no, there's no wind. So. Okay. Okay. Oh, you wanted to hear about big foot. I'm good. I'm good with whatever you want to talk about. Okay. Well, this is, this is, uh, another thing that you, and this happened out at the spot.

[00:17:23] It, well, it was in the same area where we talking about the, uh, the, the figure, the glowing figures. Yeah. And, and those are on our page too. All our, all our, all the pictures are on our page. We, uh, we, we, uh, seen this, uh, we, we, we started seeing these shadows and all took his phone out. He, he, he got, he can take good recordings with it or good pictures at night with his phone.

[00:17:51] And he just started snapping pictures, snapping pictures. And he caught one. Well, we, we, we didn't realize it, but he sent it to his wife and she sent back later. She said, did you see the eyes in that thing? There's, there's, you can see in, in the original one, you can see the eyes and then we blew it up once at one time. And you can still see the eyes in the same spot. And then we blew it up one more time.

[00:18:19] And then you can still see the eyes and then you can actually see a face in this thing. And, and there was like multiple ones moving around us. Well, what was that? You know, and, and then we seen one other time we saw a shadow just this last year. We saw another one. Well, I didn't see it, but Paul and Mike, another guy that goes with us sometimes he, he, they saw it.

[00:18:46] Has this, has this area been known as a hotspot for anything paranormal? There are a lot of UFO, uh, a lot of UFO stuff. Um, and there's supposedly an Indian burial ground near there. Makes sense. I haven't been able to find it, but there's dozens of people that have told us, yeah, it's out there, you know, cause they hunt for arrowheads and stuff like that.

[00:19:17] So, um, I think a lot of the areas that we're from, especially Midwest, this all used to be Native American land in general. Yeah. So who really knows what areas that we're going through, if it used to be a burial ground or what, unless someone's out there digging and that I'm coming across. No one really knows, especially on the woods. Right. Right.

[00:19:41] But it seems to me like these areas that have like a lot of weird activity, there is the paranormal as was like I said, what I was in for the documentary that I'm doing. There's a lot of weird Native American lore around here and there's a lot of weird paranormal stuff and there's a lot of UFO sightings and there's a lot of cryptid stuff. It all seems to correlate together and I don't under, I don't understand it.

[00:20:08] I don't know anything about it other than the fact that I've been told by multiple people from experiences around here that have all these sightings of different things. And it's been going on for over the years. So those things you're describing to me, it clicks in my head. It's like, that's very similar to the stuff that I'm investigating myself out here. Right. Right. Uh, Bigfoot stuff that we've experienced. And found. Um, we have found.

[00:20:38] Large tree structures. Uh, one of the largest. Uh, is on our page there. Uh, a giant a frame. Built on top of a cliff. But I'd say it's a good hundred hundred and fifty feet up on this cliffs. And then down below that cliff. Uh, is where we had found footprints.

[00:21:03] And cast prints, which those you'll see at the top of the page. Um, in that same area we've had. We've had many vocals. Many, many vocalizations. Many, many vocalizations. And just this past. All here we had a. Uh, we had a tree rip down. About 20 feet up behind us. On a small cliff face. Uh, but, uh, we went up the next day and.

[00:21:33] And believe I found the tree. I got pictures of it and stuff. It was probably a good 12 inches across. And it was snapped off about four and a half feet up. So, um, you know, there's, there's nothing in the woods that can do that. Mm hmm. There ain't no, no bears doing that or anything. So, uh, you know, we've, we've had that. We've had, uh, what else have we found? The prints, the tree structures.

[00:22:03] We haven't gotten any fur or nothing yet. Well, and the, the, the, the prints we, we cast up there. No, this was, I don't know, the end of April, early May. And we had just like the, a couple, like four or five days before that, there was probably a half a foot of snow on the ground. It was freezing cold. And we, you, you can see the, the, the cast we, we have the, these big foot. They, they walk different than humans.

[00:22:32] They walk like on a tight rope and you could see the, the, the, there's three prints. We have cast in the next print after the third print walked right into the river and it was freezing cold. You know, April, right. I had gotten a report from a buddy that had seen prints that went up the side of that, where that cliff was. Um, prints went up there. He said they were about 18 inches or something.

[00:23:02] He said, and there was no way that a person walked up there or anything. So as soon as we were able to get back into this area, which wasn't, which wasn't for a month or so, um, cause of the snow. Uh, that's when we found the prints at the bottom of the cliff face. So, so, uh, that was probably like, that's probably like one of the best finds that in the, the big A structure.

[00:23:28] Um, we have found multiple wood struck, you know, tree structures and that stackings and, and a frames and just odd stuff got out of the, out of place. We found trees that were snapped off at about six foot. And we followed the direction that the top of the tree was pointed. And it led right to another tree.

[00:23:54] It was snapped off about six foot up, twisted and pointing. And we followed that. And there's a water source there. Um, spring, spring. There's a artesian well or a spring, some type of spring right there with clean water. So kind of make us think, you know, maybe, maybe they were pointing, you know, maybe that was the reason for them. The direction they were pointing in, or maybe we're reading too much into it.

[00:24:23] I don't know, but I think they're a lot smarter than what people give credit for. What do you think that they would be? Do you think they're like an ape or do you think there's something more just because of the weird aspects? I think there's something more. I think they're more than an ape. We'd have found one by now. Right. Yeah. If it was just a simple ape, I don't think we would have troubles. Not like we, you know, not like we do with them disappearing or whatever.

[00:24:50] I mean, we were talking about this earlier, you know, uh, you know, it would be nothing for them to move a large rock or a large dead tree to step into a cave and pull that back in front of the cave opening. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm . We, we don't, we don't know.

[00:25:11] They could be, it is, they could be advanced, more advanced than what we have ever seen in animals as far as animals go. You know? Yeah. I struggle personally with the whole concept that they're just a flesh and blood creature because like what you said, like we would have already had some sort of evidence at some point. Yeah. We'd have one. Yeah. There's. Somebody would have shot one or something by now.

[00:25:40] Everyone walks around with a camera these days, like a phone. So it's literally in your pocket. There's always something in around and we've got all these trail cams. We have everything else. Plus all security cameras. Everybody has a ring out in the, you know, even in the country, they have rings. Right. You know? So I've actually got, I've got some out here for what I do here. Yeah. And at some point I feel like something would get caught.

[00:26:08] And then I see these pictures of what people are saying are these creatures, but they're so blurry and globby that I can't make anything out. And then they say, well, it's because that's the frequency that they're vibrating at. So it makes them look blurry. I was like, that just sounds like an excuse to me. Like someone from a skeptical stance, like that just sounds like some BS that you're feeding me to make an excuse as to why we can't capture one. I've heard that though.

[00:26:33] I've heard that, you know, they say humans only see like, we only see like a very small, like, I think it's like 10 or 20%. Right. Of the light spectrum. If we saw the entire light spectrum, there would be things flying around us and floating around us that we never knew existed. Yeah.

[00:26:57] That's the old story from Vietnam when they had those infrared glasses, but the, like the night vision, but they were the red colored ones, not green. Yeah. And they started seeing these things flying around the helicopters and they were freaked out by it. So that's why they changed the colors to green because the red was picking up all these different things that we didn't know were around. It was freaking all the military guys out. Is that true? I have no idea, but I've heard that a few times. I've heard that. I've heard, I've heard that. Um, yeah. Yeah.

[00:27:26] And speaking of Vietnam, my dad told me about, he was in Vietnam. He told me about guys coming back from patrols and seeing rock apes, you know, which is their big foot per se, a little bit smaller than ours. But, uh, yeah, they called them rock apes. Yeah. We throw rocks at them all the time. Yeah. I've heard that too. I've actually talked to someone that's grandfather was in Vietnam and they said the same thing. He talked about rock apes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:27:56] It's, uh, what happened? We went to share and it don't matter. He's not videoing. Yeah. Oh, okay. Is he up right now? Yeah. Yeah. No, he, he can't see it, but we can't see. Oh, what'd you do? Sharing is not turned on. Oh, that's okay. Okay. He said he can go look at it. No, we can see you. We couldn't see you. We hit the wrong button, but yeah. Yeah. It doesn't really matter if you share the photos with me. Like I said, we're not okay. You, you can see it. He can see.

[00:28:26] I was going to say, I can click share now. Are you ready? No, no. He said he's I don't release the video portion of this. So it doesn't really matter if they get shared on here. Cause no one else is going to see them. So, okay. All right. So you're good. We're good. We just can't. Okay. You want me to stay down here? If you want, I'll stay down here. All right. No, no, no. My, my son and Paul's son, they've heard some of our, our stories and, and seen our evidence and heard some of the screams and stuff.

[00:28:56] And they both said, well, well, my, my son wants to take the AK and all of a sudden what with us one time, he said, I'm not going back. We had one howl. I let out a whoop and I got an answer back. That was enough for him. Yeah. I haven't had any sort of interaction with anything like that, but yeah. Oh, we'll see what happens someday. You're up there in dog man territory.

[00:29:26] Yeah. Yeah. That's why I do what I do. Yep. I had my own. I had my own run in with something 18 years ago. That was a canine walking on two legs. I don't, I don't personally, I don't personally believe in dog man and stuff like that. I've always tried to say I'm a skeptic, but there's no way I can be a skeptic when you see something like that. As much as I try and write it off. I mean, it's screwed with you.

[00:29:55] That's, that's where Paul and me are at. You know, we, it doesn't matter what anybody believes. We know what we've seen. We know what we've experienced. You know, I mean, we've been right there when it happens, you know, I'll tell you what there's there. It did. Dude, there's nothing like it when you're sitting in the woods and there ain't no, I carry three 57 and Paul carries a 45. Who in their right mind is going to sneak up on you and throw rocks at you? Yeah.

[00:30:25] You know what I mean? Mm-hmm . In the middle of nowhere. I, there's, there's a, there's, there's just way more to it than. It's not just a monkey. Right. It's not. I've, I asked my buddy that's doing this documentary with me, if he wants me to be packing some heat when we go back out in the woods or whatever. And I like his answer of what good is it going to do besides piss it off? Well, true.

[00:30:54] I'm not so much worried about having to shoot a squash as I am a bear or a kayak. Yeah. You know, that, that's, and our goal is feel better. Yeah. Our goal is not to shoot one either. We're in the no kill camp. We don't, we don't want to, but there's, there's other things out there that you don't know who you're messing around with out there late at night. That's my only thing is if I did, I would do it for my own benefit of feeling like if something come up after me, I'd, I'd do something.

[00:31:24] But if we ever ran into an actual big foot or a dog man or whatever, I was like, it's not going to matter. No, it's not. You're right. So I don't know. Uh, I think we might just go and just see what happens, but yeah. Yeah. I don't, I don't have a whole lot of faith. That's the thing. I don't want to go out there with expectations of anything happening. Cause I know for a fact that like if people go out there and expect something to happen and nothing happens and they're going to get discouraged, I'm going to go out there

[00:31:52] with the mindset of nothing's going to happen. So if something happens and Hey, it's like fishing, right? It's like fishing. You don't need to call it hunting. It's like hunting. You don't, you don't, something doesn't happen all the time. A lot of times we're out there just talking, you know, nothing happens. Oh yeah. Yeah. But when it happens though, I mean, it it's, it's exciting. Yeah. More nights than not. It's quiet. You know, that's, that's the way it, way it goes.

[00:32:22] So. Do you have anyone else involved to go out with yours or just mainly YouTube? We have one other guy. Um, he just started going with us this year. Um, so he, he couldn't make it tonight. Okay. You know, he'll tell you, he went in, he went in with a complete skeptic and now he's a, he's a no, her. This is what he says.

[00:32:52] So, uh, I, yeah, he was. I still try and stay on the fence about a lot of things. And I say, I'm, I try and remain skeptical just because I feel like you have the approach of that. You're going to question things more and you're not just going to fall into the trap of everything's paranormal. Everything's a UFO. Everything's a big fun. No. Yeah. I've been around a lot of people that everything that happens and they're like, oh, this is this and this.

[00:33:21] I'm like, or it could be this because this makes more sense. Like you got to look at the possibilities before you go right into the weird shit. I take a lot of, a lot of our stuff that we post, you know, it isn't just me and Craig that looks at it before it goes up there. Uh, you know, I get my wife looks at it. My buddies look at it. Yeah. Uh, my buddy that goes with us, he, you know, he goes over it.

[00:33:47] It's not something that we just, you know, oh, well that's big foot. Oh, this is that. This is that. We're not like that at all. Um, very skeptical, very, you know, that could have been a rabbit or a squirrel. One night we kept hearing noises. And in fact, it was the night the tree got tore down. Remember I heard a noise below us down, down, down the hill, down to, we couldn't find nothing, couldn't find nothing. And I kept looking and looking.

[00:34:14] We'll hear there was a porcupine about 20 feet up in a tree. It was, it had climbed all the way up and was level with us just about. And, uh, you know, we, you know, so it's not, we look for, we look for regular answers. The regular answer. Right. Or, you know, but when we'll post this stuff like the camera, what the camera catches.

[00:34:42] And this happened twice with the glowing figures. There was one other time, probably about 75 yards from where the first one happened. We had another one, a set of three pictures that come with a glowing figure. And then, uh, just one, one glowing ball though. And then the other camera didn't catch none of it. You know, that kind of stuff like that. Like, I don't, we don't know. We don't know what in the world happened. You know, like what, what happened?

[00:35:11] How did that happen? Why didn't the camera, it was facing that camera. If it was a person, there was no way there was no artificial light out there. There wasn't no storms. It wasn't. I mean, it was, it was clear. And, and it was no, there was no reason why the camera facing that camera wouldn't have caught. If somebody was walking through with an artificial light, we, we have no idea where these lights came from.

[00:35:38] I've had someone try to tell me like when they see orbs in the woods or whatever, that it's just ball lightning. And I don't know how ball lightning works or anything like, but that's their scientific approach to everything is like, well, you guys are ball lightning. I was like, well, I've seen some, I've seen some weird things around here in the sky.

[00:36:04] And I've seen it like lower than what should a plane or something. Should it be? They're little orange orbs. They don't look like ball lightning. Like it's not, I agree. I think there's something else out there. I don't think everything's going to just be ball lightning. Right. Yeah. That's just an excuse too, you know, like for, well, okay, that's what it has to be. How do you know that? Right. Yeah. The photos that Craig was talking about, the two illuminated figures.

[00:36:34] Um, I actually came across a guy that works for JPL and does their photographs and stuff like that. I sent him the pictures and had him look at them to see if he could figure out what the heck it was. And, uh, he sent them back to me and said, uh, I have no idea what you guys captured. So, you know, it's weird things, man, weird things. And why one camera would pick it up and the other one wouldn't. Yeah.

[00:37:03] That that's, what's weird to me. And then you said, yeah, like 150 blank ones. And 150 blank ones after that, they were just black pictures. There was no picture. There was no other photos on these cameras. Something had to have triggered it in order to take the photo. Something had to trigger it. And then the other camera, all it had was Paul turning the camera on and Paul turning the camera off. That was it. Yeah. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Yeah. That's, that's what that's in.

[00:37:30] And this was right on, right in the same area where the field lights up and the army corps engineer told us he saw the light, the field light up too. It's right in the same area. Yeah. I wonder if there's not like some sort of electromagnetic thing around, like the causes, like it's almost like it brings in the energy. Like it brings in the lights. It brings in the UFOs. It brings in the possible big foot.

[00:38:00] Like maybe there's something natural underground that draws these things there. You, you do a little research into a lay lines. Yep. Okay. This area is real heavy with lay lines. So, you know, and they say, yeah, that's how birds navigate. That's how this navigate everything else. And it's a, there is a magnetic field there that we don't detect.

[00:38:27] But, uh, what you're saying though, I, I could see, you know, with the lay lines and with the magnetic variations in this area, maybe, maybe it's a hotspot. It could be, we don't, we don't know. Yeah. That would be something that I would be curious to look into is to see how the lay lines fall out. And I don't know what type of, again, I'm spitballing things because this is what I'm doing. I'm probably going to get like one of those electromagnetic EMF readers or whatever.

[00:38:55] When I go out there and see if things, I'm getting paranormal stuff. I'm getting documentary recording. Like I'm getting all sorts of different devices. Mm-hmm . I'm not just trying to capture a big foot or a dog, man. I'm trying to capture UFOs. I'm trying to capture weird paranormal stuff. Like I'm trying to capture everything. Cause this whole area is screwed up with a lot of weird stuff. So I'm trying to get whatever I can to help. So, so I don't know. What happened to us?

[00:39:22] We started out with just big foot and now it's UFOs and pictures of ghostly figures, I guess. Little black wishes running around. In shadows. In shadow thing. The last time we saw the shadows last year, this past summer, when we were out at this one, at this same spot, right as, as this started happening, we, we were body camps. With, uh, police body cams. Yeah.

[00:39:51] And we have digital recorders and we've got all this stuff. And night vision. Everything started shutting down. Well, one by one, they started turning off. When, when, when this, what, this shadow started moving around us, all of all the police body cameras started beeping. It was crazy. See one at a time. That is what a lot of paranormal investigators say happened to them.

[00:40:17] And like when they go into a haunted house and I've mentioned this a couple of times, but I have an episode that I interviewed. He was an author. He wrote a book about how big foot is like the forest poltergeist. Basically, if you take big foot activity, but it'll happen inside your house. You say your house is haunted by a poltergeist. Like you hear the knocking, you have the things being thrown at you here, like all those other stuff.

[00:40:44] Like if it happened inside, but because it's out in the woods, it's a big foot. But if you take all the same things that go on, he's like, big foot's almost like a forest poltergeist. And I was like, it is true though. If you look at what he's saying, like it adds up. It's the same sort of stuff that goes on. It's just not in your house.

[00:41:05] So I wonder because people have tried to find big foot or anything like they claim that all of a sudden all their camera equipment shuts off, all their batteries drain. Well, a lot of people say that happens to them when they're investigating a haunted house. So I wonder if it's whatever these things are draining, they're using that electronic charge to feed whatever it is that they need that energy. So they feed it into themselves. And that's why you're seeing the shadows because they just drained all the battery and now they have that energy.

[00:41:36] Manifest. Anyway, that's a heck of a theory. Yeah. Yeah. It could be. It's another one that you can say it could be that. Right. Like I said, I don't know. It's just the way I think about it. It just makes somewhat sense to think about as a plausibility. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. We are. We're open to it because you know, we just don't know what we do know is what we've experienced and, and it's some crazy stuff. No.

[00:42:07] So when you going out in the woods, I've never been an avid outdoorsman. Like I used to go out as a kid and nowadays, like I'm growing up, I don't go out there. Like I used to go disc golfing a lot. I haven't went in a couple of years, but I never took a lot of stock into some of the things that I would see. Like I've seen almost like the structures you talked about, like the way trees are broken. But to me, I never thought of anything about it.

[00:42:33] So I actually started really looking into the Bigfoot and how stuff. So I've been out at the reservoir and I've been out on a disc golf course or walking through the woods and I see a tree is broken over and it's like laying over this way. So now I'm like thinking back memory wise, like, I wonder if that was just a fell over natural or maybe there was actually something that causes, but I never thought about it cause I didn't know anything about it at that point. A good way to tell is a twist. Yeah. They're, they're twist. Yeah.

[00:43:00] They do a lot of twist them, but someone recently I interviewed, they actually came here and studio cause they're local and they had pictures of stuff that they found around their property. And one of it's a decent size branch, but it's twisted and it's got, you can see the twist where it breaks to it. We had those two to Paul was telling you about the two that were pointing at each other. Yeah. That's how they are. They're twisted. Yeah.

[00:43:26] The, to me, I don't know how strong people can be to cause to do that, but these are decent sized branches, like decent sized tree. So it's doesn't look, and there's no marks on us. It doesn't look like it's mechanically done. It's just weird. It's just, it's just twisted. Yep. That's like those trees up in Canada and Alaska, they find pile drive into the ground. And with the roots hanging out, there's what did that?

[00:43:54] We found a spot, um, same areas, the footprints and the big tree structure and stuff. And, uh, we found this spot in the middle of the woods where there was all these sticks. They're about four foot tall. There was, there must've been a hundred of all stuck in the ground. All throughout this little patch of wood. All in the middle of the woods, all stuck in the ground, all around this one big giant tree.

[00:44:24] Um, the weirdest thing you ever wanted to say. I have no. See people. People can say that I'm a person who went out and did it. Like I understand like someone can say, well, people did this, but what would be the point? Why would you waste your time? And that's the, I say the same thing with like crop circles. Like you're taking a risk that someone's going to walk out there and actually see it. Otherwise you spent all this time dicking around putting sticks in the ground.

[00:44:53] This maybe someday someone's going to walk by like, Oh boy, look at this. This is weird. And that was in the middle of nowhere. Right. Middle of the woods. We had walked in a good, I don't know, half mile. And here's this spot. It's a, it's kind of a clearing and this big giant old tree, probably, you know, one of them old civil war trees. It was a spooky looking tree and all these sticks just all over the place, driven into the ground everywhere.

[00:45:22] It was that night when we'd come back out of there that night, we were just doing some call blasting and stuff. And we use those game, uh, headphones where you can hear like, yeah, you can hear anything. Yeah. And hear an ant fart with these things, you know? Yeah. So we're sitting and you could hear little kids giggling. Sounded like little kids giggling. Down in the woods. That was scary. I'm telling you, we were both hugging the truck that night.

[00:45:51] And this is, you know, this is 11, 12 o'clock at night. Yeah. We're little kids out there in the middle of the woods giggling. When it's, I don't know what it is. Like I'm a father. You, you have kids or two. Like there's something about little kids that are frigging creepy when you, like when you hear the noises, like you hear the sounds. You know, there's kids out there. It's always a little kid and it's even scarier because it's a little kid. Yeah. You're right. And we were in the middle of nowhere. I mean, there was nobody there in the middle of nowhere.

[00:46:22] Yeah. That's yeah. If I'm, that's the one thing that I'm, if I see a dog man, I'm going to get killed. So when I run after the dog, man, but if I hear a little kids laugh, I'm running the other direction. Yeah. I'm telling you, we were hugging the truck. We were like, it was so dark. We, we, we, well, we have headlamps, but we stay lights out for as long as we can, you know, and that's, we think something's moving and we can, you know, light it up, maybe get some light shine.

[00:46:50] But we, well, I'll tell you what, we were both hugging that truck. Yeah. I'm, uh, I'm looking forward to getting out there and seeing what happens. But at the same time, like I said, I, I don't expect a lot to go on, but if something does go on, it's gonna, it'll be interesting one way or the other. Don't give up the first time that something happened. Yeah. It's like hunting. It's like fishing. You know, it doesn't happen all the time. Nope. Nope. But when it does, it was worth it. Yeah.

[00:47:21] So there's been a lot of recent sightings around here. I've already conducted a lot of interviews with local people. I've filmed a lot of it already. So it's just a matter of now getting boots to the ground, getting out there and going to the sites where these encounters have happened. People where their sightings have been and kick some rocks and see what happens. Well, it's good. I hope that documentary works out. It works out. It's going to be a while just to, it's me and another guy doing it. We're doing everything ourselves.

[00:47:51] So, but yeah, yeah, we'll see what happens. Yeah. But there anything else you guys would like to discuss? If not, we can probably wrap this one up. We've been going on for almost an hour. Yeah. We, we, we, we, we talked pretty much about, you know, this, everything we do. We are doing UFO stuff now too. So yeah, we have some pictures of some strange things on our, on our web, on our Facebook page too. Okay.

[00:48:20] There's a, there's, there's, there's, well, you can look at them, but there's like, you can zoom in and you can see these and they weren't moving. They were, they were stationary and then they would just move little bit. And then the, the, the, the one looks like a Z one looks like a, uh, uh, it's scribble. It's scribble. And, and then we, we have a, we recorded, uh, one UFO.

[00:48:49] It, there was two lights coming and they went into one and then they were just like hovering. It wasn't even moving. What color? There was a, there was an actual parade going on in front of our house. And there was probably 30, 40 people out there. You'd seen this, seen it, you know, and they, and they had, they had sightings in the next town over and then in another town over and then up into what up in New York too.

[00:49:15] If you, you could actually try, if you looked at the UFO reports from that night, you could actually track, I believe was the same craft went right up through New York and on up in up above there. There is an, there's an app that I downloaded recently called Enigma and it'll, there's video on there.

[00:49:38] There's photos on there, but anyone that downloads the app can upload or just file a report from all of their UFO sightings. And it literally keeps track of everything. So I opened it up the other night, just dicking around with it. This see what's been around here. There was like 30 something different sightings, just in my little town. It's called Enigma. Enigma. Okay, cool. But I actually have a video that was sent to me this past summer.

[00:50:07] Someone filmed a UFO over the same area that I was told by multiple people that they saw werewolves quote unquote down on this area. Oh yeah. And just, just a hair's throw away. There's been a recent Bigfoot sighting.

[00:50:26] So again, why is there a UFO hovering in this location where people, three different people have had quote unquote werewolf, which I say is dog man, but sightings all around a river. And then there's also now a Bigfoot sighting on the other side of the river. And it's all in the same little location. So I have that video. I'm actually going to use it in the documentary. Yeah. Cool. I thought about, I'm an odds guy.

[00:50:55] I go with what, what's the odds of this happening? You know, what's the odds of three different people that don't know each other having very similar encounters in the same area and they've never spoken before. I never heard each other's stories before. Right. What's the odds of that? Yeah. So, especially in an area that is so small on the outskirts of town, like I would like it, even if it was out in the woods or whatever, it's different, but like, this is literally on the edge of town.

[00:51:21] So it's strange that multiple people have had these experiences on the same exact location. Especially this year. Yeah. Some of these were from obviously like one was back in the nineties. I think the others, they weren't recent, but they described the same thing. Yeah. The same exact thing. Crazy. Yeah. That's crazy. What's yours at that? Right. Especially in the same exact spot, almost like to the T. So a lot of weird stuff. You found there was cameras. Yeah.

[00:51:52] Well, we've, we've been out there. We filmed. And as creepy as it sounds like we found like a, an old mattress and like a bag of clothing. It was like girl clothes, their shoes and all sorts of stuff. They're just laying out there all spread apart. So I don't know if like someone just took their trash out or someone was homeless and scamping along the river and who knows. And that's another reason we carry too, because you know, you don't know who's you're in the middle of nowhere.

[00:52:20] You just don't know who's going to come up on you. Yeah. You don't know what type of, that's the one thing I've, I've said before to my buddy is I'm not so much worried about the things that we might find out there like creature wise. I'm more or less worried about people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:52:37] When we do the lay, you know, our area where the army corps is and stuff, it, we do there, you know, there is always a chance of somebody, you know, but when we go to the other area that we go to, uh, it's pretty out there. We're in the middle of nowhere. So, you know, you're gonna. Yeah.

[00:52:58] So we're not as remote as I would like it for it to be, but again, there's just so much activity in this small area that it's weird that there's that much activity and not so much a rural area. Right. But. I really don't think they need all that much woods. I think they can stay hidden pretty good right here in the town we live in. Not not a block from this house. There's a river that runs through. And down in that riverbed, I investigated.

[00:53:28] Uh, this was probably 15 years ago now. I was with another group, uh, Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society. And I did an investigation at a report and I actually got. Two half prints. But, uh, it was right here in town. They were, there was two of them. The guy said he saw two one on one side of the river and one on his side. And scared him so bad. He ran home in his underwear. He fell in water. Yeah.

[00:53:57] Started a fire and was trying to dry his pants. And over 40 years ago, there was a, probably within a quarter of a mile, there was a documented sighting on the other side of the river. Yeah. So now, and that was 40 years apart. Yeah. It's, it's definitely, I don't think they care about the boundaries as much. I think, uh, there, if there's something out there that they're going to come up close if they want to, especially if they're looking for some sort of a food source. So we're. Oh yeah.

[00:54:28] I've heard people can talk about things have been digging in their trash and their trash cans have been thrown about and everyone's like, oh, it could have been a raccoon. It could have been a bear. Yeah. Yeah. You have, you have time for another, uh, report that we had. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, the one spot we go to a third spot on occasion, maybe, maybe two, three times a year.

[00:54:52] Well, the, the, the, when we went in this one time, these, uh, two young kids, they were duck hunters coming out and we were going in cause we were going in at night. And, uh, we, we gave them a card. We were, you know, they asked us, you know what we're doing. And we told them, well, we're going to research Bigfoot. And the one kid took the, took the card home. And his dad, he, he showed his dad.

[00:55:18] He said, he seen some Bigfoot hunters down by where they duck on his dad contacted us. And he said, listen, he said, I'm not telling you, I'm not, I'm not repeating this again. He said, I don't want anybody thinking I'm crazy, but he said, I'm telling you when I was a young man, I was in that woods. I shot a deer and I waited for it to expire. So I gave it about five minutes and I started walking towards it.

[00:55:45] And this giant hairy creature picked my deer up and carried it off. He said, I watched it. He said, I'm not saying nothing. I'm not, I'm not telling you, I'm not going on camera. I'm not doing anything. But he said, I'm telling you there's something in there. Yeah. He said he would not repeat the story again. And he won't even go hunting no more.

[00:56:13] So he picked the deer up and carried the deer off that he was so in shock. He didn't even realize, you know, he, he had his rifle and stuff. You know, well, gee, could have took shot. Well, he said he was so overwhelmed. He did it. He could, he couldn't even think straight. He just watched this thing carry his deer off. Right. That is the thing that I've noticed with people that I find to be a lot more credible.

[00:56:41] Not that I'm saying that like some of the things aren't credible, but when someone says that they've never went hunting again, you know, it had an, something had to have happened and give them an impact. Yes. Yes. So. Especially around here. I mean, the area we live in, I mean, I don't know anybody that doesn't go hunting. Yeah. We're all, we've been hunting ever since I've been hunting since I was 12. I'll be seven years old in September.

[00:57:05] And I've been, I've been in the woods my whole life, you know, and, uh, I, there, there's nothing like hunting Bigfoot though. I'm telling you, it's the ultimate. Yeah. If you guys will wrap this up here in a second, I got a question. If you guys were ever to come face to face with a Bigfoot, what are you going to do? I hope we get it on picture on film. You know, I hope, I hope that's what we, we, we've seen glowing eyes.

[00:57:35] Two times we've seen glowing eyes. So, but that all that we've had tree, we had a tree ripped down in front of us and we heard this thing running through the woods. I'm telling you, it sounded like King Kong running through the woods. It was so loud. It was just like crashing through the woods after the tree come down. But if we see him, I hope, I hope we can just get it on film. I don't want to kill Bigfoot.

[00:58:03] I, I, I don't, I'm, I'm not even in that camp. I just hope we can get it on film. I don't know, man. I don't know. Face to face. Um, I don't know. I would hope to be like, you know, hope that I was aware enough that I would maybe try to communicate. Before I ran. I don't know. I don't know. See that, that's the mindset that I'm in is I don't want to be the one that runs away.

[00:58:32] Uh huh. I keep saying I'm going to be the idiot that gets killed by one of these things. I'm going to go after it. I had a sighting. My first, my, my, I actually saw what I believe was a big foot. And when I saw it and it turned to go away, I actually took off running towards it.

[00:58:55] Um, my wife was in my truck at the time we were up in the mountains and, uh, she was screaming and you know, screaming at me to get back in the truck and get back in the truck. And, uh, I ran back to the truck to grab my gun. And, and then I was going to go in again and she was scritch. So I didn't go, but, uh, you know, it was going away from me. No, if it was coming, you know, face to face, I, yeah. No, no.

[00:59:24] I said, I like to tell myself that I'm going to go after it, but we'll see what really happens if I come face to face with it. Yeah. I ran about 20 yards and stop. I didn't run away from the dog. I actually walked up to it cause I thought it was an actual normal dog until he decided to stand up and stare at me. I was like, oh shit, he's not a normal dog. Oh boy. That's crazy. But I still never ran away.

[00:59:47] So I have that mindset of like, I'm either stupid and I just don't think about the danger in it, or I just don't care about the danger or maybe cause I don't. It wasn't any dangerous. Yeah. Maybe I didn't, wasn't afraid of it. So it didn't bother me. I don't know. Yeah. And there's a lot of people, they have that theory too, of, you know, like if, if you go, if, if you're, if you go into the woods and you're like, I ain't going to find nothing.

[01:00:17] I ain't going to find nothing. Close minded. Close minded. You know, if you, if you go out there and you, you're like, you know, there could be something out here. You know, I'm not going to, I'm not going to shut nothing out. I'm just going to go out and see what happens. You know, you, you, a lot of people think that, you know, that opens you up to the Indians believe that if you go out with the, you know, with the intention, the good intentions and, you know, open minded, you'll see them.

[01:00:44] They'll come, they'll communicate with you, but you know, you know, that, that, whether that's true or not. But I don't know, you know, we don't, we don't know. There is a lot of stories with the native Americans that tie into these types of creatures and the, their lores and their myths and everything else. There's gotta be something to it because there's too many, Kate, there's too many pictures of them drawn on caves or stuff even out West.

[01:01:11] And like, not just in America, but even all over the world, there's different variations, things. And how, how did the Indians on the East coast know about Bigfoot and the Indians on the West coast know about Bigfoot, but they've never talked. Right. Yeah. They didn't even know each other existed. Yeah. So there's gotta be some sort of truth behind it. And again, I don't know what it is. I can't say if it's a monkey man, I can't say if it was one of our descendants.

[01:01:38] I don't know if it's a spiritual, weird, interdimensional, weird, who knows? I don't, but there's something that is started the ledge. Like every legend, every myth, every story is influenced from something. So these people were drawing pictures of something. Yeah. So they've had to have seen it to drew like to draw. And they all look the same. Right. The ones on the East coast and the West coast, they all draw the same picture. Right.

[01:02:07] Even on the other side of the world. Yeah. You get pictures of Buffalo. You get pictures of like, like deer and other things that they're drawing. And then there's just a random Bigfoot. So this is like, yeah, got the big giant feet. Right. So they, they had to have seen something cause these things are dated for hundreds of years ago, thousands of years ago. Like, so all over the world, they've, they've seen something again, what it is. Who knows?

[01:02:35] But well guys, it's been a pleasure. Yeah. You too. Yeah. It's been good. But if you ever want to talk again, we're before we wrap it up, I would like for you to let everyone listening where they can check your Facebook page out what it's called. And they can, I'll put a link in the show notes for them too. Okay. Uh, yeah. On Facebook, it's called Penn Ohio cryptid. Okay. Yep.

[01:03:02] Facebook.com slash Penn Ohio cryptid. I will make sure to put that in the notes when the show comes out. That way anyone listening can go on Facebook and find it and look, look at the photos we were talking about. And if anyone has ever had an experience in that area, maybe they can reach out to you. That'd be great. That'd be great. We're always, yeah. Even stories, you know, we're open to it. Yeah.

[01:03:29] The stories of, you know, from grandpa or whatever, the uncle is fine. Um, any information, uh, UFO or Bigfoot. Yep. All right, guys, you guys have a good night. You too. You too. Thank you. Thanks. If you'd like to be a guest on 10 foil tells, remember to send an email to 10 foil tells podcast at gmail.com or go to 10 foil tells.com and go to the contact section. Make sure to follow me around on all the social medias and just remember truth comes at a cost.

[01:03:59] Are you willing to pay the price? I heard a story late last night about something lurking along the wood line. Huge footprints, strange lights in the sky. They claim it's nothing, but I know they lie. It's easier to laugh, to laugh in my face.

[01:04:25] But something about this makes me say, what if it's real? What if they knew? What if the answers are coming from you? Wasting my time hearing voices. Is it all?

[01:05:17] Or maybe a mothman flies above the fairy giants hidden beneath the lies. They say it's just stories. It's all made believe. Fairy tales for the things we can't perceive. They want to keep us blinded. They want to break our will. If the truth could set us free.

[01:05:46] Alien signals traveling through time. Secret space programs erasing their minds. They call them crazy, but I just need some proof. What if it's true?

[01:06:32] It's demons ghost. But nipple them too. What if it's me?

[01:06:38] Or what if it's all in our minds?

[01:07:08] These voices can't be silenced. The truth must rise. Tenth won't tell. What if it's real? What if it's true?