Ep. 187: Penn Ohio Cryptid Research

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't deal with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps. Like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw. The top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, I don't like death. Welcome back to Tinfoil tells. I am your host Brandon Tonight. We are joined by Craig and Paul. Guys, thanks for coming on here and talking to me tonight. Thank you, thank you for having us. Would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself. Paul, I am a co founder of Ohio Cryptid Research. UH been hunting and fishing all my life, been out in the woods all my life, been interested in Bigfoot since I was a little kid, so. You know, did a lot of armchair research like everybody else. You sit there and watch the shows. And one day I happened to be talking to Craig buddy across the street here and found out he was into it, and we decided to try our luck and go out in the woods and mess around a bit, and it's turned into a. Lot more than what we expected. Sounds like what usually happens with some people is when they start looking into they end up finding things and almost becomes like an addiction. It is. It is that, yeah, it is, And this is Craig Air. Yeah, I'm the same as Paul. I mean, I remember when when the Gimblem Patterson film come out. I was I was just a little kid, you know, and I was like, yeah, that thing's real, you know. So I was interested in it ever since then, but I never went out into the field. I never even thought about it, you know, until Paul said. We were talking one day and we said, you know, let's go, you know, and we're starting in our eighth year of in the field research now, so we've been we've been at it for going on eight years in the field and Uh, it's like it's it's like a snowball you put at the top of a hill, you know, and it starts rolling. Its just you can't stop. There's no quitting now. No, That's like I said, it's the addiction part of it. I know a lot of people that I've talked to, like, once they start getting into this, it's just kind of snowballs down. He'll real they just keep going out and always looking for that evidence, always looking for the everything they can because I don't know what it is about it, but it's like that mystery that we all want to solve. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's you know, you think about it though, you want to solve it. When it's solved, what are we all going to do? No more? That's what I say with these shows, like when they're out looking for Bigfoot and everything, it's like, what are they gonna do when they find one? They're talking to have a show anymore? Yeah, yep, yeah, yeah. Well we we've kind of branched a little bit and started Yeah, they're in UFO reports and stuff as well, so you know it kind of it wasn't on purpose. People that know we do Bigfoot started talking to us about UFOs and ghosts and everything else. You know, so right, Well, Paul was a ghost center at one time. Yeah, he did that for quite a few years yet. But uh yeah, So we've gone down the rabbit hole with Bigfoot and we're stepping onto the UFO stuff, and it's been pretty interesting the last year. I've noticed you mentioned the UFO stuff. Do you think there's any sort of connection with Bigfoot with some of these UFO things, because I know a lot of people seem to correlate Bigfoot sightings with UFO sightings. Do you know what I did was I took a map of the United States and I plotted Bigfoot sightings across the US, you know, the heavy concentration, and I plotted the cave systems across the United States. A matchup on a whim. I decided to look at UFO reports and the heaviest concentration off you, Fox reports and Bigfoot sightings and cave systems all overlap. Mm hmm. You can look at maps online, you can see it already done. But I mean, I've done it myself, but I there there there's some type of connection there either either the Bigfoot is fascinated with the lights, and they all come running out to look at the stars or whatever, or UFOs are interested in the Bigfoot. There was a direct connection. So I've done I've done the same thing where I've overlaid like cryptied sightings and UFO sided and missing people and the cave systems, and they all line up. It's just. Yes, they do. No. We started out, we originally started out we're just looking for Bigfoot, and and uh, like an we that's what we we. We thought we were you gonna find. But the one spot that we go to, we've had We've had recorded wooden knocks, we had a tree ripped down in front of us, we had whistles, we've had screams, we've had rockstrode at us. And on top of that, we're sitting there, we're out there late at night. There's where we this spot where we investigate, it's like about a mile and a half in on an old dirt road one way, and when you get to the dead end, there's there's there's water behind you, there's nobody, there's nobody out there but us, and and we're out there investigating, and uh, all of a sudden, this field just starts lighting up and then dim and down, lighting up and dim and down. And then right after that, one tree about maybe twenty five yards from us starts shaking, I mean shaking shaking. You ever see a documentary like when you're harvesting like nuts on a tree, that machine comes up and grabs it and it shakes. It vibrate, you know. Yeah, it was doing that one tree. We thought it was rain coming in. We were going to pack up our equipment and go, you know, even though the field was light and it was gonna start pouring down rain, we're gonna sound like it sounded like rain, and and then the field it down and then it went dim back up. And now that was the first of of strange stuff happened in that. Now it's just in this one spot. We have a couple other spots we go to where it's only just bigfoot stuff that happens, you know. And then and and then we always set our game traill cameras up when we when we set them up, we'll set up a camera on the camera. So what one camera picks up, the other one should pick it up too, because they're they're pointing at each other. We do that mainly if somebody steals our camera. We have an idea maybe of who took our camera, but it turns out it turns into a mystery. The one right on the documented spot where we had a tree ripped on in front of us, fifty yards from there. We checked our cameras. There's there's two glowing figures from a distance, then the next picture they're they're closer. And then the last picture that you could see, there's two glowing figures standing right there in front of the camera. Then there's one hundred and fifty blank pictures. The other camera only had a picture of Paul turned into camera on a turning the camera off. We don't know. We have no idea where now this is in the middle of the woods. There's no light sources. If somebody is walking through the woods with a with a light on or something, the other camera would have picked it up right. We just can't explain it. So I'm into I don't know camp. To make a long story short, I don't know what's going on. I think there's more to it than we think there is, but if I can't say for sure because I don't know. We've discussed with. Army Corps of Engineers on this lake and even they don't like to go to this area because they they came to us and said, hey, have you guys ever seen that field light up like it does? Of course we have, you know, we have photos. But and he was telling us, yeah, he said, we don't. We don't like to come down here by ourselves. So they don't ever travel down in there at night time, and so we're not the only ones experiencing it. It's just that these guys ain't gonna tell everybody, right. So, so you've actually spoken to the Corps of Engineers. Yes, yeah, yeah, they they saw the same thing. They saw the field light up. I'm doing a local documentary that I'm filming, and it just so happens around this area. There's the Army Corps of Engineers. I've always thought it was stranger they had anything to do with, like the National Park and the dam and everything else. But they're out there, they are, and there's a lot of weird sightings that go out there, not just UFO, but there's a lot of weird cryptid stuff too. So now I'm kind of interested if I should stop by their office and see if there's anyone theref'll actually talk to me. Or not. Yeah, this guy, they might he approached dots we are out setting cameras and whatever, and he pulled up in his truck and just started talking. Man, he let it out. So yeah, he said he saw the exact same thing. He saw the field light up at night. Now we've only seen it twice, and I mean, this is going on, you know, in the eight years. It doesn't happen all the time, but we have no excellent for it. And we went into the field and did not when it was lighting up, but at night or the next day. And Paul did some readings with the with a tryfield EMF and I took a compass in. And uh, one part of the field your three degrees out to the east, and the other part of the field your three degrees out to the west. So I did. A bunch of dig in and found out that this area of Pennsylvania is in a magnetic flux, so it waivers all the time, and you know, in a small patch of area that runs up through the state and it just happens to be here. So I don't know if that has anything to do with the lighting. You know, there's people that talk about earthquake lights and stuff like that, but we don't have you know, we don't have nothing like that around here. So I'm not a scientist or an expert in anything, so I have no hintswers, but I think there's some sort of intertwined connection when it comes with the weird phenomena that goes on. I can't I don't know anything else other than that's just my opinion, which means nothing. But I'm on your page. We're in that camp too. We think there's something, but we don't know. Yeah, we can't say we do because we don't. That's what I like with people like you is you're not coming on here to tell me that this is exactly what's going on. We know this for a fact because I've always said it. Anyone that has one hundred percent proof in fact like you would be able to share that proof for fact. Like everyone says they're an expert in all this stuff, It's like, how are you an expert in it? Because there's been no verifiable proof for research? Right, That's what we was at a conference uh this was pre COVID up in uh Lake Lake, should Takua, and we talked to Paul Bartholomew and and he gave us some good advice. He said, listen, you guys when you go out there, because we took our some of our evidence that we had gathered, you know, so we have we found cas Prince and we found some uh tree structures and stuff, and uh, he gave us some advice and and we stick to that. We're investigators. We're not the scientists. We don't know. We we gather what we gather. We know what we've got because it's on our cameras and it's on our recordings. You know, we were there and and you just present it. If they believe it, okay, if they don't, it's it's okay. You know. We just an investigator. We're not the scientists. Yeah, yeah, that's to me, That's the way I would go about things, because I'm not out to prove one way or the other. I'm just out here to try and see what i can figure out for myself. That's exactly what we're kind of adrenaline junkies anywhore. You know, like when the when the lightning storm comes through the down through the town. You know, I'm I'm out on my porch and oh usually beats me out there. I beat him out there. We're sitting out in the middle of the storm, watching it understorm. Yeah. I used to be that way. If I had a front porch these days, i'd probably still sit out there, but I don't have a porch. I got a back porch, but it's not covered, so I get porty on if I'm out there. Yeah, it's it's crazy. Once you start, a couple of things happen and then it just you get hooked and next thing you know, you're going out to three times a week. We don't go. Out in the winter time unless we get a call. You know, we're uh, it's a hobby, it's not a it's not life. It's only it's only get paid. It's only fourteen degrees here right now. So yeah, that's it's around the single digits here currently. But Windshiel earlier was like said, felt it feels like negative one. Yeah. So were you out of Indiana? Oh yeah, okay, that's right. I'm in north central Indiana, so we get I'm surrounded by cornfield, so basically there's no wind block. So if it's windy, it's freezing. Yeah. Yeah, And so what's some of the things you've guys come across on these other than the lights or whatever. What's like for bigfoot stuff? What have you come across? We've we've found a footprints that we've cast. We have them on our our page. We're under uh we're on Facebook and Ohio Cryptid Research. Okay, and we have all our photos on here. You want us to share and can you see him? You could share them with me, but because this one get released as a video, it's not really gonna. Matter, okay, but you can you'll be which one is it played? There? It is? Okay? Okay, do we lose him? Are you there? No? I'm still here. Okay, here, he's just they're not he's not running camera. Yeah, I guess I can figure this out now. Yeah, that's okay. We don't have to worry about that. I can look at him from the Facebook page. Yeah yeah, if you if you go to it, you can see uh, you can see uh. We we the the one thing we we got is uh is uh we got uh m hm. We started seeing these shadows and they were there were there was no no, there's no win. So okay, oh you wanted to hear about bigfoot. I'm good. I'm good with whatever you want to talk about. Okay, okay, well this is this is another thing and this happened out at the spot. Well, it was in the same area where we're talking about the the figure, the glowing figures, and and those are on our page to all our all our all the pictures are on our page. We uh we we uh seeing this uh we We started seeing these shadows, and Paul took his phone out. He got he can take good recordings with or good pictures at night with his phone, and he just started snapping pictures, snapping pictures, and he caught one well we we we didn't realize it, but he sent it to his wife and she sent back later she said, did you see the eyes in that thing? There's there's you can see in the original one. You can see the eyes. And then we blew it up once at one time, and you can still see the eyes in the same spot. And then we blew it up one more time and then you can still see the eyes. And then you can actually see a face in this thing. And and there was like multiple ones moving around us. What was that, you know? And and then we seen one other time we saw a shadow. Just this last year, we saw another one, well, I didn't see a capel and Mike, another guy that goes with us, sometimes they saw it. Has this has this area been known as a hotspot for anything paranormal? There are a lot of UFO, a lot of UFO stuff, uh, And there's supposedly an Indian burial ground near there. Makes sense, I have to find it. But there's dozens of people that have told us, yeah, it's out there, you know, because they for arrowheads and stuff like that. So I think a lot of the areas that we're from, especially Midwest, this all used to be Native American land in general. Yeah, So who really knows what areas that were going through if it used to be a burial ground or what unless someone's out there digging it up and come across. No one really knows, especially in the woods right right. But it seems to me like these areas that have like a lot of weird activity there is the paranormal ass was Like I said, what I was in for the documentary that I'm doing, there's a lot of weird Native American lore around here, and there's a lot of word paranormal stuff, and there's a lot of UFO sidings and there's a lot of cryptid stuff. It all seems to correlate together, and I don't under I don't understand it. I don't know anything about it other than the fact that I've been told by multiple people from experiences around here that have all these sightings of different things, and it's been going on for over the years. So those things you're describing to me, it clicks in my head, like that's very similar to one of the stuff that I'm investigating myself out here right right. Bigfoot stuff that we've experienced and found. We have found large tree structures. One of the largest is on our page there of a giant a frame built on top of a cliff. I'd say it's a good one hundred and fifty feet up on this cliffs and then down below that cliff is where we had found footprints and cast prints, which those you'll see at the top of the page. In that same area, we've had we've had many vocals, many many vocalizations, and just this past fall here we had a we had a tree ripped down about twenty feet up behind us on a small cliff face. But we went up the next day and believe I found the tree I got pictures of him stuff. It was probably a good twelve inches across and it was snapped off about four and a half feet up. So you know, there's there is nothing in the woods that can do that. There ain't no bears doing that or anything. So you know, we've we've had that, We've had we else. We found prints, the tree structures. We haven't gotten any fur and us and yet well and. The Prince we we cast up there. You know, this was the end of April, early May, and we had just like a couple like four or five days before that. There was probably a half a foot of snow on the ground. It was freezing cold, and you can see the cast. We we have these bigfoot they walk different than humans. They walked like on a tight rope and you could see their street. Prince we have cast in the next print after the third print, walked right into the river and it was freezing cold, you know, right. I had gotten a report from a buddy that had seen Prince that went up the side of that where that cliff was. Prince went up there. He said they were about eighteen inches or something, he said, And there's no way that a person walked up there or anything. So as soon as we were able to get back into this area, which wasn't which wasn't for a month or so because of the snow, that's when we found the prints at the bottom. Of the cliff face. So that's probably like that's probably like one of the best finds that in the big a structure. We have found multiple wood structure, you know, tree structures in that stackings and a frames and. Just a odd stuff out of place. We found trees that. Were snapped off at about six foot and we followed the direction at the top of the tree was pointed, and it led right to another tree that was snapped off about six foot up, twisted. And pointing, and we followed that. And there's a water source there, a spring. There's an artesian well or a spring some type of spring right there with clean water. So kind of make us think, you know, maybe maybe they were pointing, you know, maybe that was the reason for them, the direction they were pointing in, or maybe we're reading too much into it. I don't know, but I think they're a lot smarter than what people give credit for. What do you think that they would be. Do you think they're like an ape or do you think there's something more just because of the weird aspects. I think there's something more. I think they're more than an eight. Yeah, if it was just a simple ape, I don't think we would have troubles, not like we you know, not like we do with them disappearing or whatever. I mean, we were talking about this earlier. You know, uh, you know, it would be nothing for them to move a large rock or a large dead tree, to step into a cave and pull that back in front of the cave opening, you know what I mean. We don't. We don't know. They could be it is, they could be advanced, more advanced than what we have ever seen in the animal as far as animals go. You know, I struggle personally with the whole concept that they're just a flesh and blood creature because, like what you said, like we would have already had some sort of evidence at some point. Yeah, you have one or something. But everyone walks around with a camera these days, like a phone, so it's literally in your pocket. There's always something around. And we've got all these trail cams, we have everything else. Plus all security cameras. Everybody has a ring, you know, even in the country they. Have rings, right, so I've actually got I've got some out here for what I do here. Yeah, And at some point I feel like something would get caught. And then I see these pictures of what people are saying, are these creatures but they're so blurry and globby that I can't make anything out. And then they say, well, it's because that's the frequency that they're vibrating now, so it makes them look blurry as like that just sounds like an excuse to me, like someone from a skeptical stands like that just sounds like some bs that you feed me to make an excuse as to why we can't capture one. I've heard that though. I've heard that. You know, they say humans only see like we only see like a very small like I think it's like ten or twenty percent right of the light spectrum. If we saw the entire light spectrum, there would be things flying around us and floating around us that we never knew existed. Yeah, that's the old story from Vietnam when they had the was in for red glasses, but the like the night vision, but they were the red colored ones, not green. Yeah, and they started seeing these things flying around the helicopters and they were freaked out by it. So that's why they changed the colors to green, because the red was picking up all these different things that we didn't know were around. It was freaking all the military guys on. Is that true? I have no idea, but I've heard that a few times. I've heard that. I've heard I've heard that one. Yeah, And speaking of Vietnam, my dad told me about he was in Vietnam. He told me about guys coming back from patrols and seeing rock apes. Yeah, which is their bigfoot, say a little bit smaller than but yeah, they called them rock apes, which they would throw rocks at him all the time. Yeah, I've heard that too. I've actually talked to someone that's grandfather was in Vietnam and they said the same thing. He talked about rock apes. Yeah, yeah, it's uh happened. We went to share and it don't matter. He's not Yeah, oh okay, is he up right now? Yeah? No he he can't see it, but we can't see. Oh what you do? Sharing is not turned on? That's okay, he said, he can look. No, we can see you. We couldn't see it. We hit the wrong button. But it doesn't really matter if you share the photos with me. Like I said, we're not okay. You you can see, he can see. I was going to say, I can click share now, are you ready? No, no, he said, he's. I don't release the video portion of this, So it doesn't really matter if they get shared on here because no one else is going to see him. So okay, all right, you're good. We're good. We just okay. Do you want me to stay down here? If you want, I'll stay down here, all right, let me no. No, my son and Paul's son they've heard some of our our stories and and seeing our evidence and heard some of the screams and stuff, and they both said, well, well, my my son wants to take the ak and all of a sudden with us. One time he said I'm not going back. We had one howl, I let out a whoop, and I got an answer back that was enough for him. Yeah. I haven't had any sort of interaction with anything like that too, but yeah, we'll see what happens someday. You're up there in dog Man territory. Huh. Yeah, that's why I do what I do. Yep. I had my own I had my own run in with something eighteen years ago that was K nine walking on two legs. I don't. I don't personally. I don't personally believe in dog Man and stuff like that. I've always tried to say I'm a skeptic, but there's no way I can be a skeptic when you see something like that. As much as I try and write it off, I mean, it's screwed with you. That's that's where balling me are at. You know, it doesn't matter or what anybody believes. We know what we've seen. We know what we've experienced, you know. I mean we've been right there when it happens. You know, I'll tell you what. There's the dude, there's nothing like it when you're sitting in the woods and there ain't nobody. I I carry three fifty seven and Paul carries a forty five. Who in their right mind is gonna sneak up on you and throw rocks at you? Yeah? You know what I mean. In the middle of nowhere, there's there's a there's there's just way more to it than it's not just a monkey, right. I asked my buddy that's doing this documentary with me, if he wants me to be packing some heat when we go back out in the woods or whatever, And I like his answer of what goods are going to do besides piss it off? Well, true, I'm not so much worried about having to shoot a squatch as I am a bear. Or a Yeah, you know that's our yea. Our goal is not to shoot one either. We're in the no kill camp. We don't. We don't want to. But there's there's other things out there. You don't know who you're messing around with out there a date at night. That's my only thing is if I did, I would do it for my own benefit of feeling like if something come up after me, i'd do something. But if we ever ran into an actual bigfoot or a dog man or whatever, thin, it's not. Going to matter. No, it's not. You're right, So I don't know. I think we might just go and just see what happens. But yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't have a whole lot of faith. That's the thing. I don't want to go out there with expectations of anything happening, because I know for a fact that like if people go out there and expect something to happen and nothing happens, and they're going to get discouraged. I'm going to go out there with the mindset of nothing's going to happen. So if something happens, then hey, it's like fishing, right, it's like fishing. You don't, Nicole hunting, You're just like hunt. You don't, you don't. Something doesn't happen all the time. A lot of times we're out there just talking. You know, nothing happens. Oh yeah, but there's anyway when it happens, though, I mean it, it's it's exciting more nights than not. It's quiet, you know. That's that's the way it the way it goes. So do you have anyone else involved to go out with ears or just mainly you two? We have one other guy. He just started going with us this year, so he couldn't make it tonight. You know, he'll tell you he went in. He went in with a complete skeptic and now he's a he's a knower, that's what he says. So, yeah, I still try and stay on the fence about a lot of things. And I say I try and to remain skeptical just because I feel like you have the approach of that. Mm hmmm, you're gonna question things more and you're not just gonna fall into the trap of everything's paranormal, everything's a UFO, everything's a big foot. Oh no, Yeah. I've been around a lot of people that everything that happens and they're like, oh, this is this and this. I'm like, ohor it could be this, because this makes more sense. Like you got to look at the possibilities before you go right into the weird shit. I take a lot of a lot of our stuff that we post. You know, it isn't just me and Craig that looks at it before it goes up there. H you know, I get my wife looks at it, my buddies look at it. My buddy that goes with us, he you know, he goes over it. It's not something that we just you know, oh well that's bigfoot. Oh this is that. We're not like that at all. Very skeptical, very you know. That could have been a rabbit or a squirrel. One night we kept hearing noises and in fact it was the night the tree got tore down, remember right, Yeah, I heard a noise below us, below us, down down the hill, down to we couldn't find nothing, couldn't find nothing, and I kept looking and looking. We'll hear there was a parky pine about twenty feet up in a tree. It was. It had climbed all the way up and was level with us just about and uh, you know, we you know, so it's. Not we look for. We looked for regular answers, the regular answer, you know. But when we'll post the stuff, like the camera with the camera catches and this happened twice with the glowing figures. There was one other time, probably about seventy five yards from where the first one happened. We had another one. It's set of three pictures to come with a glowing figure and then just one one glowing ball though, and then the other camera getn't catch none of it, you know, that kind of stuff like that, Like I don't we don't know. We don't know what in the world happened, you know, like what happened? How did that happen? Why didn't the camera it was facing that camera if it was a person, there's no way. There was no artificial light out there, there was no storms. It wasn't I mean it was it was clear, and and it was no there was no reason why the camera facing that camera wouldn't have cut if somebody was walking through with an artificial light. We have no idea where these lights came from. I've had someone try to tell me, like when they see orbs in the woods or whatever, that it's just ball lightning. And I don't know how ball lightning works or anything like that, but that's their scientific approach to everything, is like, well, the Skuys are ball lightning. I was like, well, I've seen some I've see some weird things around here in the sky. I've seen it like lower than what it should a plane or something should be. Their little orange orbs, they don't look like ball lightning, Like it's not. I agree. I think there's something hell's out there. I don't think everything's going to just be ball lightning. Right. Yeah, that's just an excuse too, you know, like for well, okay, that's what it has to be. How do you know that photos that Craig was talking about, the two illuminated figures, I actually came across the guy that works for JPL and does their photographs and stuff like that. I sent him to pictures and had him look at him to see if he could figure out what the heck it was, and he sent him back to me and said, I have no idea what you guys captured. So you know, it's weird things, man, weird things. And why one camera haud pick it up and the other one wouldn't. Yeah, that's what's weird to me. And then you said you had like one hundred and. Fifty blank ones and one hundred and fifty blank ones. After that, they were just black pictures. There was no picture. There's no other photos on these cameras. Something had to have triggered it in order to take the photo. Something had to trigger it. And then the other camera, all it had was Paul turning the camera on and Paul turning the camera off. That was it. Yeah, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Yeah, that's that's what that's where. And this was right on right in the same area where the field lights up, and the Army Corps engineer told us he saw the light the field light up too. It's right in the same area. I wonder if there's not like some sort of electromagnetic thing around like it causes like it's almost like it brings in the energy, like it brings in the lights, it brings in the UFOs, it brings in the possible big phot like maybe there's something natural underground that draws these things there. You you do a little research into lay lines, Ye okay, this area is real heavy with lay lines, so you know, and they say, yeah, that's how birds navigate, that's how they navigate everything else. And it's a there is a magnetic field there that we don't detect. But uh, what you're saying though, I could see, you know, with the lay lines and with the magnetic variations in this area, maybe maybe it's a hot spot. It could be, don't We don't know. That would be something that I would be curious to look into, is to see how the lay lines fall out. And I don't know what type of Again, I'm spitballing things because this is what I'm doing. I'm probably gonna get like one of those electromagnetic EMF readers or whatever when I go out there and see if things. I'm getting paranormal stuff. I'm getting documentary recording, Like, I'm getting all sorts of different devices. I'm not just trying to capture a bigfoot or a dog man. I'm trying to capture UFOs. I'm trying to capture weird paranormal stuff, Like I'm trying to capture everything because this whole area is screwed up with a lot of weird stuff. So I'm trying to get whatever I can to. Yeah. Help. So I don't know if what happened to us. We started out with just Bigfoot and now it's UFOs and pictures of ghostly figures. I guess little black wishes running. Around in shadows and shadows. The last time we saw the shadows last year, this past summer, when we were out at this one at the same spot right as this started happening. We wear body cams with police body cams, yeah, and we have digital recorders and we've got all this stuff and night vision. Everything started shutting down. Well, one by one they started turning off when this shadows started moving around us, all the police body cameras started beeping. It was crazy, one at a time. That is what a lot of paranormal investigators say happen to them, and like when they go into a haunted house. And I've mentioned this a couple of times. I have an episode that I interviewed. He was an author. He wrote a book about how Bigfoot is like the forest Poultergeist. Basically, if you take Bigfoot activity, but it all happen inside your house, you say your house is haunted by a Poultergeist. Like you hear the knocking, you have the things being thrown at you here, like all this other stuff, Like if that happened inside, but because it's out in the woods, it's a Bigfoot. But if you take all the same things that go on, he's like bigfoots almost like a forest poulter Geist. And it is true though if you look at what he's saying, like it adds up. It's the same sort of stuff that goes on. It's just not in your house. So I wonder, because people have tried to find Bigfoot or anything like they claim that all of a sudden, all their camera equipment shuts off, all their batteries drained. Well, a lot of people say that happens to them when they're investigating homone house. So I wonder if it's whatever these things are draining, they're using that electronic charge to feed whatever it is that they need that energy, so they feed it into themselves and that's why you're seeing the shadows because they just drained all the battery and now they have that energy. That's a heck of a theory. Yeah, yeah, it couldn't be. It's another one that you can say it could be that. Right like that. I don't know, it's just the way I think about it. It just makes somewhat sense to think about it as a plausibility. Yep. Yeah, Yeah, we're open to it because you know, we just don't know, right. What we do know is what we've experienced, and it's some crazy stuff. No, So when you going out in the woods, I've never been an avid outdoorsman like I used to go out as a kid, and nowadays, like I've grown up, I don't go out there like I used to go disc golfing a lot. I haven't went in a couple of years. But I never took a lot of stock into some of the things that I would see, Like I've seen almost like the structures you talked about, like the way trees are broken. But to me, I never thought of anything about it. So I actually started really looking into the Bigfoot. And how so I've been out at the reservoir and I've been out on a disc golf course. We're walking through the woods and I see a tree is broken over and it's like laying over this way. So I'm like thinking back memory wise, like I wonder if that was just as fell over natural or maybe there was actually something that causes but I never thought about it because I didn't know anything about it at that point. A good way to tell is a twist. Yeah, they're twists. They do a lot of twist. Someone recently I interviewed. They actually came here in studios, are local and they had pictures of stuff that they found around their property. And one of it's a decent sized branch, but it's twisted and it's kind you can see the twist where it breaks to it. We had those two Paul was telling you about pointing at each other. That's how they are. They're twisted. Yeah, to me, I don't know how strong people can be to they cause to do that. But these were decent sized branches, like decent sized tree. So it doesn't look and there's no marks on it. It doesn't look like it's mechanically done. It's just weird. Just it's just twisted. Yep. That's like those trees up in Canada and Alaska. They find pile drive into the ground with the bruts hanging out. What did that? We found a spot. Same area as the footprint, and there's big tree structure and stuff. And we found this spot in the middle of the woods where there was all these sticks there about four foot tall. There was there must have been a hundred of them, all stuck in the ground, all throughout this little patch of woods, all in the middle of the woods, all stuck in the ground, all around this one big giant tree. The weirdest thing. You everyone to say, have no. People. People can say that, I'm a person went out and did it, Like I understand. Like someone can say, well, people did this, But what would be the point? Why would you waste your time? That's the I say the same thing with like cross circles. You're taking a risk if someone's going to walk out there and actually see it. Otherwise you spent all this time dicking around putting sticks in the ground. This maybe someday someone's gonna walk by like, oh boy, look at this. This is weird. And that it was in the middle of nowhere, right. Middle of the woods. We had walked there a good I don't know, half mile and here's this spot that's it's kind of a clearing and this big giant old tree probably you know, one of them old Civil War trees. It was a spooky looking tree and all these sticks just driven into the ground everywhere was And that night when we'd come back out of there. That night, we were just doing some call blastom and stuff, and we use those game headphones where you can hear, like, yeah, you can hear anything and hear an ant part with these things, you know. So we're setting and you could hear little kids giggling. Sounded like little kids giggling in the wood that I'm telling you. We were both hugging the truck down and this is you know, this is eleven, twelve o'clock at night. Yeah, it was little kids out there in the middle of the woods giggling. When it's I don't know what it is, like, I'm a father. You have kids too, Like there's something about little kids that are freaking creepy when you like when you hear the noises, like you hear the sounds, you know, the kids. It's always a little kid and it's even scarier because it's a little kid. Yeah, you're and we were in the middle of nowhere. I mean there was nobody there in the middle of nowhere. Yeah, that's yeah. If i'm that's the one thing that I'm If I see a dog man, I'm gonna get killed. Someone to run after the dog man. If I hear little kids laugh, I'm running the other direction. I'm telling you. We were hugging the truck. We were like, it was so dark. We well we have head lambs, but we stayed lights on for as long as we can, you know, And that's we think something moving and we can, you know, light it up, maybe get some eyeshine. But well, i'll tell you what. We were both hugging that truck. Now, I'm I'm looking forward to getting out there and seeing what happens. But at the same time, like I said, I don't expect a lot to go on, but if something does go on, it's gonna it'll be interesting one way or the other. Don't give up the first time. If something happened, Yeah, it's like cutting, it's like fishing. You know, it doesn't happen all the time, Nope, nope, but when it does, it was worth it. Now, there's been a lot of recent sightings around here. I've already conducted a lot of interviews with local people. I've filmed a lot of it already, So it's just a matter of now getting boots to the ground, getting out there and going to the sites where these encounters have happened, people where their sightings have been and kick some rocks and see what happens. This guy. I hope that documentary works out. It works out, there's going to be a while just to me and another guy doing everything ourselves. So but yeah, yeah, we'll see what happens. Yeah, there anything else you guys would like to discuss. If not, we can probably wrap this one up. We've been going on for almost an hour. Yeah we uh we we talked pretty much about you know this everything. We are doing UFO stuff now too. We have some pictures of some strange things on our on our what on our Facebook page too. There's uh, there's there's well you can look at them, but there's like you can zoom in and you can see these and they weren't moving, they were they were stationary, and then they would just move a little bit. And then the one looks like a z one looks like uh uh, it's it's scribble and and then we we have we recorded uh one UFO. There was two lights coming and they went into one and then they were just like hovering. It wasn't even moving. There was a there was an actual raid going on in front of our house, and there was probably thirty forty people out there seened it, you know, and they and they had they had sightings in the next town over and another town over and then up into what up in New New York too. If you could actually try, if you look at the UFO reports from that night, you could actually track I believe was the same craft went right up through New York and on up and up above there. There's an app that I downloaded recently called Enigma, and there's video on there, there's photos on there, but anyone that downloads the app can upload or just file a report from all of their UFO sightings and it literally keeps track of everything. So I opened it up the other night, just dicking around whether this sea was been around here. There was like thirty something different sightings just in my little town. It's called Enigma. Enigma okay, cool, But I actually have a video that was sent to me this past summer. Someone filmed a UFO over the same area that I was told by multiple people that they saw werewolves quote unquote down on this area, and just just a hair's throw away, there's been a recent bigfoot sighting. So again, why is there a UFO hovering in this location where people three different people have had quote unquote werewolf which I say is dog man but sighting around a river. And then there's also now a bigfoot sighting on the other side of the river, and it's all in the same little location. So I have that video. I'm actually going to use it in the documentary. Yeah, I go with what what's the odds that this happening? You know, what's the odds of three different people that don't know each other having very similar encounters in the same area and they've never spoken before and never heard each other's stories before, especially in an area that is so small on the outskirts of town, Like I would like even if it was out in the woods or whatever, it's different, but like this is literally on the edge of town. So it's strange that multiple people have had these experiences on the same exact. Location, especially this year. Yeah, some of these were from obviously, like one was back in the nineties. I think the other one they weren't recent, but yeah, the same exact thing. That's what's especially in the same exact spot, almost like to the tee. So a lot of weird stuff. Well, we've we've been out there, we filmed and as creepy as it sounds like, we found like an old mattress and like a bag of clothing. It was like girls in their shoes and all sorts of them just laying out there, all spread apart. So I don't know if like someone just took their trash out or someone was homeless and scamping along the river, and who knows. And that's another reason we carry too, because you know, you don't know who's you're in the middle of nowhere. You just don't know who's going to come up on you. Yeah, you don't know what type of That's the one thing I've said before to my buddy is I'm not so much worried about the things that we might find out they're like creature wise, I'm more or less worried about people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. When we do the la you know our area where the Army Corps is and. Stuff we do there is you know there is always a chance of somebody, you know. But when we go to the other area that we go to, uh, it's pretty out there. We're in the middle of nowhere, so you know you're gonna so we're not as remote as I would like I could afford to be. But again, there's just so much activity in this small area that it's weird that there's that much activity and not so much a rural area right right. I really don't think they need all that much woods. I think they can stay hidden pretty good. Right here in the town we live in, not a block from this house, there's a river that runs through and down in that riverbed. I investigated it. This was probably fifteen years ago. Now, I was with another group, Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society, and I did an investigation at a report and I actually got two half prints, but it was right here in town. There was two of them. The guy said he saw. Two, one on one side of the river and one on his side. Scared him so bad he ran home in his underwear because he fell in water. Yeah, started a fire and was trying to dry his pan. Over forty years ago, there was probably within a quarter a mile there was a documented sighting on the other side of the river. Yeah, so and that was forty years apart. Yeah, it's it's definitely. I don't think they care about the boundaries as much. I think there if there's something out there that they're going to come up close if they want, especially if they're looking for some sort of a food source. So oh yeah, I've heard people can talk about things have been digging in their trash and the trash cans have been thrown about, and everyone's like, oh, it could have been a raccoon, it could have been a bear. You have you have time for another report that we had. Yeah, yeah, the one spot. We go to a third spot on occasion, maybe maybe two, three times a year. Well, when we went in this one time, these two young kids they were duck hunters coming out and we were going in because we were going in at night, and uh, we gave them a card we were telling you know, they asked us, you know what we're doing. We're telling, well, we're going to research bigfoot. And the one kid the took the card home and his dad he showed his dad. He said, he's seen some bigfoot hunters down by word of duck hunt his dad contacted us, and he said, listen. He said, I'm not telling you. I'm not I'm not repeating this again. He said, I don't want anybody thinking I'm crazy. But he said, I'm telling you. When I was a young man, I was in that woods. I shot a deer and I waited for it to expire. So I gave it about five minutes, and I started walking towards it, and this giant, hairy creature picked my deer up and carried it off. He said, I watched it. He said, I'm not saying that nothing. I'm not telling you. I'm not going on camera. I'm not doing anything. But he said, I'm telling you there's something in there. Yeah. He that he would not repeat the story again, and he won't even go hunting no more. Oh, he picked the deer up and carried the deer off that he was so in shock he didn't even realize. You know, he had his rifle and stuff. You know, gee could have took shot. Well, he said, he was so overwhelmed he didn't. He couldn't. He couldn't even think straight. He just watched this thing carry his deer off. Right. That is the thing that I've noticed with people that I find to be a lot more credible now that I'm saying that like that, some of the things are incredible. But when someone says that they've never went hunting again, you know it had an something had to have happened and give him an impact. Yes, So. Especially around here, I mean that's the area we live in. I mean, I don't know anybody that doesn't go hunt. Yeah, we're We've been hunting ever since. I've been hunting since I was twelve. I'll be seven years old in September, and I've been I've been in the woods my whole life, you know, and uh, I've there. There's nothing like hunting bigfoot though, I'm telling you it's the ultimate. Yeah. If you guys will wrap this up here and say, I had a question, if you guys were ever to come face to face with a big foot, what are you going to do? I hope we get it on picture on film, you know, I hope, I hope that's what we We've seen glowing eyes. Two times we've seen glowing eyes. So but that all that we've had. Tree we had a tree ripped down in front of us, and we heard this thing running through the woods. I'm telling you, it sounded like King Kong running through the woods. It was so loud. It was just like crashing through the woods after the tree come down. But if we see him, I hope, I hope we can just get it on film. I don't want to kill Bigfoot. I don't I'm not even in that camp. I just hope we can get it on film. I don't know, man, I don't know. Face to face, I don't know. I would hope to be like you know. I hope that I was aware enough that I would maybe try to communicate before I ran. I don't know. I don't know. That's the mindset that I'm in is I don't want to be the one that runs away. Uh huh. I keep saying, I'm going to be the idiot that gets killed by one of these things. I'm going to go after it. I had a sighting my fir my. I actually saw what I believe was a big Foot. And when I saw it and it turned to go away, I actually took off running towards it. My wife was in my truck at the time. We were up in the mountains, and she was screaming and you know, screaming at me to get back in the truck and get back in the truck. And I ran back to the truck to grab my gun. And now I was going to go in again, and she was scripted, so I didn't go. But you know it was going away from me if it was coming, you know, face to face. I yeah, no, no, I said, I like to tell myself that I'm going to go after it, but we'll see what really happens if I come face to face with it. Yeah, said. He ran about twenty yards and stop. I didn't run away from the dog. I actually walked up to it because I thought it was an actual normal dog until he decided to stand up and stare at me. I was like, oh shit, he's not a normal dog. Boy, that's crazy. But I still never ran away. So I have that mindset of like I'm either stupid and I just don't think about the danger in it, or I just don't care about the danger, or maybe because I don't sense there isn't any dangerous Yeah, maybe I didn't wasn't afraid of it, so it didn't bother me. I don't know. Yeah, And there's a lot of people they have that theory too. Of you know, like if if you go if you're if you go into the woods and you're like, I ain't gonna find nothing. I ain't gonna find nothing, closed mind, closed minded. You know, if you if you go out there and you you're like, you know, there could be something out here. You know, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna shut not out. I'm just going to go out and see what happens. You know. You a lot of people think that, you know, that opens you up to a lot of the Indians believe that if you go out with the you know, with the intention, the good intentions, and you know, open minded, you'll see them, they'll come, they'll. Communicate with you. But you know, you know that that whether that's true or not, I don't know. You know, we don't, we don't know. There's a lot of stories with the Native Americans that tie into these types of creatures and the their lores and their myths and everything else. There's got to be something to it, because there's too many cave there's too many pictures of them drawn on caves or stuff, even out west, and like not just in America, but even all over the world. There's different variation of these things. And how did the Indians on the East coast know about Bigfoot and the Indians on the West coast know about Bigfoot? But they have never talked, right, Yeah, they didn't even know each other existed. Right, Yeah, So there's got to be some sort of truth behind it. And again I don't know what it is. I can't say if it's a monkey man, I can't say it as one of our descendants. I don't know if it's a spiritual weird, interdimensional weird, and who knows, I don't, But yeah, there's something that has started the legend. Like every legend, every myth, every story is influenced from something. So these people were drawing pictures of something, so they've had to have seen it to drew like to draw. And they all look the same, right, the ones on the East Coast and the West coast, they all draw the same picture. Right, even on the other side of the world. You get pictures of Buffalo, you get pictures of like like deer and other things that they're drawing, and there's just a random big foot. So this is like, yeah, got the big giant feet. Right, So they had to have seen something because these things are dated for hundreds of years ago, thousands of years ago, like so all over the world they've they've seen something again what it is? Who knows? Well, guys, it's been a pleasure. Yeah, you too. Yeah, it's been good. But I never want to talk again before here in the spring. Before we wrap it up, I would like for you to let everyone listening where they can check your Facebook page out what it's called, and they can. I'll put a link in the show notes for him too. Okay, Yeah, on Facebook it's called penn Ohio crip did okay, yeah, Facebook dot com slash Panehio cryptid. I will make sure to put that in the notes when the show comes out. That way, anyone listening can go on Facebook and find it and look look at the photos we were talking about, and if anyone has ever had an experience in that area, maybe they can reach out to you. That'd be great, that'd be great. They're always yeah, even stories, you know, we're the stories of you know, from Grandpa or whatever. The uncle is fine. Any information UFO or Bigfoot. Yeah, all right, guys, you guys, have a good night, you too, you too, Thank you. Thanks. If you'd like to be a guest, on tenfoil Tells. 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