Ep. 162: The Nalusa Falaya

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't deal with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me. Away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps. Like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw a UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, it don't like death. Welcome back to ten Foil Tals. I'm your host, Brandon Wright. The ninth episode't be joined by my guest John. John is the host of myth Monsters and Mullets. He reached out to me not too long ago to ask me if i'd ever heard of about a story of a white wolf that kind of stalked around the Walbash River. I hadn't actually heard that story, but after we kind of got connected, John ended up having a weird sighting not too far from the Mississinewa River, and anyone knowing me knows that that is a big hotspot for what I'm looking into for this documentary, the miss Cinema Triangle. So definitely wanted to have John on here to dive into that. But before we bring him on, if you've ever had an experience and you'd like to be on an episode of ten Foil Tales, there's a couple of things you can do. You can either send an email to Tenfoil Tales podcast dot gmail dot com, or you can go to tenfoiltales dot com and go to the contact section. Just make sure to reach out and we will get somebody schedule for a future episode. If you'd like to tell the podcast out, please shared round word malv is one of the best ways to helping them podcast grow. You can also leave a five star rating and review wherever you listen to ten Foil Tells. Ads will click the five stars and helps me fight the algorithms. 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We're gonna go ahead down and bring John on and dive into the conversation. Definitely looking forward to talking with him. So sit back, relax and enjoy the show. I'd like to take this time to welcome my guest tonight, John. Thanks for coming on here and talking to me. Hey, no problem, Thanks for having me. Hey, you're a local Indiana person. You reached out to me, you got your own little show, like my little show. So and then we're just kind of talking. Right after we kind of made a connection, you end up having this weird experience. So I want to say, it's the my curse. You just you got it my my little circle. So now you're gonna start seeing the same weird crap that I have to see. But I don't want to see this thing again. Before we get into that, you want to let the audience know a little bit about yourself. My name is John. I run a show called Myths, Monsters and Mullets, brand new pretty much just the last couple of months. You find it on YouTube and Spotify right now. Yeah, I kind of stumbled into this, you know. I had my own paranormal encounters and got me interested in, got me going down the rabbit holes and realized that I'd had other experiences before. I was do you want to call a believer? And yeah, pretty much, yet I I had. I grew up in Ohio, grew up on a horse farm, and I ended up moving to Indiana in twenty twenty and that's how that's where I had my first encounter. Do you want to I'm going to leave this up to you. Do you want to talk about what got you into this, like with your first encounter, or do you want to talk about the most recent thing. We'll touch on the first one, because if I go into it, it's ghost stuff, and ghost stuff isn't really that interesting, I don't think, not compared to the cryptids and things like that. But so I started a new job. I'd lost my job during COVID and started a new job, and a couple of guys that I worked with had done some some small ghost hunts things like that. We decided that we were going to go investigate Randolph County Infirmary in Winchester, and we had a lot of stuff happen that night. We had a guy during an ST's experiment having out of body experiment or experience all kinds of EVPs. But I went in as a skeptic because I didn't I was open minded to it because I did like watching the shows and the documentaries and things, but I wasn't completely convinced. You know a lot of those shows they hype things up and things like that. So while we were there, I did a little solo investigation had some intelligent replies from some knocking that got me thinking, Okay, maybe there's something to this. And then later in the night I actually had some poltergeist activity where a rock was thrown at me and everybody is on camera at the time, and this rock comes out of the darkness and hits the cabinet next to my leg. So at that point I'm like, Okay, this is real. And that got me going down the rabbit hole. You know, it goes to real what else is real? And I started listening to like Sasquatch chronicles things like that, and the first time I heard The Ohio How was on that show, and the hair on my arm stood up, because, like I mentioned before, I grew up on a horse farm and we camped and horseback went horseback riding down in southern Ohio. And I had actually heard The Ohio How when I was probably eleven or twelve years old. And. After listening to more and more of these encounters, I realized, holy crap, I had multiple possible sasquatch encounters. So one of the one of the first things that I remember ever happening, there's a parrel. We called it Rattlesnake Ridge and the we called it that because they had done some logging alongside the trail and all their leftovers they had just kind of piled up, and rattlesnakes had built dens in there, so we would see rattlesnakes in there. And right across from this log pile was a nice place to give our horses a break. We were riding down through there, and it was it was middle of summer, so when when horses are really when it's really hot, they don't want to they want to move out very much. They just want to walk. But if if you, if you're familiar with the horseback riding, horses will remember where you stop. You know, they're they're used to getting a break there. So this was a place we normally stopped. And as we come up on it, there was just this this futrid smell, the typical wet dog garbage, rotting meat smell, and we tried to pull our horses over into the shade, and they didn't want to stop, like they were doing circles and like they didn't want to be there. So we rode on down the trail about I don't know, maybe another mile and then they finally, you know, we got out of that smell and they let us take take a break. So you know that that was odd. I can't say that it was Sasquatch related, but it sounds a lot like what people. Then there was another time, I said, all this happened whenever I was a kid. So the adults would like to drink adult beverages while we were riding, and me, being under age, I didn't partake. So there was one time they started drinking early, and it was probably eleven o'clock and the brakes kept getting longer and longer, so I was getting bored. Well, one of the women that was with us, she had a little too much to drink and needed to go back to camp, so I volunteered to take her back. And we're riding back. We'd been riding probably an hour and a half and tar Hollow State Parks. Pretty it's down by Hawking Hills, so you know, it's pretty hilly, and you know it's the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains. But so you know, we're riding along and we're getting ready to go up this hill and it's a pretty steep hill, and I smell that same smell again, and the woman that was with me, she's like, what the f is that? And about that time our horses just took off like they did not like when you go up hills, you rein your horses in. You don't want them to trip. They don't you don't want them to gas out before they get to the top of the hill or whatever. There was no holding back, like I tried reining my horses or my horse end and it just it was getting out of there. We get to the top of the hill, can't smell it anymore, and the horses are winded bad, so you know, if we forced them to stop, but the whole time they were looking back down the trail like ears perked up, like they were trying to find something. And finally after about ten minutes they calmed down and we were able to ride on. But it just seemed odd the way they acted because normally, you know, you start going up the hill, you rain them in. You know, they they slowed down, but there they wanted out of there. And it was that exact same smell that we had smelled up on Rattlesnake Ridge. So that was the two two times I smelled something we'd had a guy that rode with us. He had said that he had seen a sasquatch down there, And I kind of feel bad now because we all kind of made fun of him for saying that, you know, he'd seen sasquatch, but he had said that he and him and his dog were He lived down in that area, so he would often ride ride through the park by himself. And he was going down this one trail and he said he he smelled something and he looked off to the left, down through this marshy area, and he said he saw it. He saw a sasquatch over there, and his dog took off after it. And he finally was able to call his dog back, and he said a had like some kind of green slime on it. I don't know if it was from the marsh or whatever, but you know, he was adamant that Bigfoot slimed his dog. But you know, we all made fun of him. And now looking back, I'm like, he probably saw something. And you know, this is back early nineties. I didn't even think Bigfoot existed in Ohio, if it existed at all, you know. So so, like I said, when I started hearing all these encounters. I realized that there was two encounters I had. My grandparents had an old Winnebega motor hoole, and me being eleven twelve years old, I had to sleep in the bunk above the captain's chairs, and so in the summertime I got hot. You know, there's no airflow up there, so a lot of times I would make a bed in the horse trailer on top of the bales hay and sleep out there because it was cooler. Well, there was one night I'm asleep and I hear this thumping sound and my first thought was when horses are thirsty, they'll start pawing at the ground. And that was my first thought that, Okay, the horses are thirsty. If I don't get up and take them to get something to drink, I'm gonna have to listen to this all night. So I grab my flashlight and as soon as I turn it on, something takes off, running towards the creek. And my initial thought was, that has to be the biggest freaking deer on the planet, because like it's crashing through the trees, and the creek down there by the horsemen's camp is probably about twenty to thirty feet wide, and it's all a flat sandstone in the in the bed of the creek. And I heard this thing take one step in in that sandstone. So again I was thinking it was a deer jumped in the middle, jumped out, but dude, it sounded like like a car going through there. So I'm still thinking, you know, I don't believe in I'm not thinking Bigfoot. So I get the get up and I take the horses down to down to the creek, and they don't want to stay down there, you know, they're going in circles. They're trying to get back up to the camp, and so I take them back up and again I just thought that was weird, you know. But there was one night Tar Hollow State Park, the Horseman's Camp, the closest town to it. It takes you about twenty minutes to drive to. And whenever we would whenever I would sleep in the horse trailer, I'd always listened to the radio before I went to bed to make sure it wasn't going to rain, because our horse trailer was kind of like a stock trailer, you know, it had the air vents or whatever on the side of it, and if it rained, I was getting wet, so I know. I listened to the radio that night. What about two o'clock in the morning, I hear what sounded like tornado siren, but it wasn't long enough, like it's you know, like a tornado stirn starts off low and it goes high. And it only lasted like thirty seconds, and then it just it cut off. And I sat there for a minute and I'm like, that doesn't sound right. About a minute or two later, it does it again, and I'm listening to this and I'm like, that's not even coming from from Londonderry. It's from the wrong direction. The only thing in that direction was the middle of the park. So again it only lasted about thirty seconds and it shut off for a minute or two. It happened a third time, and I'm like, okay, I got to get up because if there's a tornado, you know, we're in a freaking mobile home, you know, hould her a motor home. And I get up, and as I'm walking back in, I hear it one more time. I wake my grandparents up. And the reason I know it was two o'clock in the morning is because my Grandpa's like Why are you waking me up at two o'clock in the morning and we turn on the rain radio and there was nothing. No, there's clear skies all night. So you know, he's like, well, you must have dreamt, dreamt it, go back to bed. So I dismissed it. But then again, when I heard and when I heard the recordings of the Ioow, that's what I heard. I mean it, it was just this tornado siren, but deeper, I guess is the is the word I'm looking for, not a shrill and yeah, so yeah, that's that's my That's what got me started into asking other people what they've heard and what they've experienced. Just once I started realizing that there's more out there than than what we've been told. How many years ago was this. The Ohio would have been and probably ninety three, ninety two somewhere around in there. Yeah, that's I don't know when the Ohio recording was done. Yeah, that was Matt Moneymaker that did that. Yeah, that was his uh big thing with finding Bigfoot and that's worse. Yeah, his claimed the thing. And I don't understand some of those shows because like, if I'm hunting, I'm not out there yelling and screaming and banging on trees. You know, I want these things. You know, most of the encounters you hear are people just sitting out in the woods being natural, and these things are curious, you know, they they come up to them. You know, it's they're not out there looking for them when they find them. You know what I'm saying. I feel like if these out there and you're out there banging on a tree and you're out there making noises, they're going to know that you are not them, right. All you're doing is alerting them of where you're at. Yep. I agree. They're not going to come and investigate. They're just going to ignore you. Now, I will say that we camp every summer we have. I still go over to the farm and we got like one hundred and twenty acre farm over there, and quite a bit of it's wooded. So we go back here and we we primitive camp and a couple times I have played the Sierra sounds just for shits and giggles while we're out there, and it has an effect on nature, Like you start hearing more animals, you start hearing more things moving around when you start playing those sounds. So I'm not saying bigfoots in the area. I'm just saying I think that I think that there's something to those sounds, because nature does react when you play them. Mm hm. So I think, yeah, I mean, that's that's my my past paranormal encounters. In a nutshell, I guess. You would say the reason you'd reached out to me, you was over something you'd heard about a white wolf, wasn't it. Yeah. So, after our experience down at Randolph County, one of the one of the older guys at work, he's the janitor, he started telling us about this story he was told when he was a kid growing up in Bluffton about the white wolf for the Walbash, and the way he remembered it was there was a Native American chief whose grave had been desecrated or something, and he would appear along the Waalbash, basically like scaring people away from his grave or whatever. And and I looked into it a little bit, and the closest thing I could find was there was a something similar over in Lafayette. Wasn't quite the same story, but the thing that I was thinking still along the Walbash, right, you know, So I'm thinking maybe the story was passed down, you know, along the Walbash River and it got changed a little bit. But yeah, that was the reason I first contacted you, because I realized you were from crou Like, well, maybe he's heard of this thing. So but that's that's as far as I've gotten with it. It's like I said, it was a just a story somebody told me, and I really can't find a whole lot about it. There's all sorts of those types of stories. That's why I rarely we'll talk about certain things because doing what I've been doing, like trying to dig into local lores, I keep being told all sorts of stuff from random people, but there's no background information other than that. Right, It's almost like the hookman's story, Like every town has a hook man or urban legend or whatever. So for me, I always take ninety nine percent of everything that I hear with a grain of salt because it's probably bullshit. I'm not, yeah me, I mean, like the guy, so I told him I would look into it, you know, But. For every person that tells it, their legend lives on because then someone else knows and they've heard it, and then you grow so somewhere down the line, either someone fabricated a story up and then it's turned into this big legend, or for whatever reason, there was actually a hint of truth to it and then it turned into what it did. So that's why I always say about ninety nine percent of it probably not true, but I always leave that one percent just in case it is right. And that's one of the reasons I when I was picking a name for my show, I got some pushback on calling it myth having myths in there, and I'm like, well, every myth has some there has to be some hint of truth to it. Now, whether the whole thing's true or not, there's usually something that's there's a little glimmer of truth in there. So and the term myth has changed over time too, you know how, just by how people use it. You know, myths originally were this is a fact, you know, and over time it's become well, now that means it's not true. So I'm leaving it as myths. Monsters and mullets. Don't worry about what people have to say about your name. Yeah, at the end of the day, if you enjoy it, that's all that matters. I get shit all the time, for the name of Tinfoil Tells, mainly because the tinfoil part, right, because everyone says, oh, you're using that. It's like you're making fun of people. No, I'm not making fun of people. Like literally, plainness enough. But if anyone knew that hasn't understood why I named the show this. If you were to talk about a lot of the topics that get talked on this show, you're going to be labeled as probably a whack job and the notorious way of calling someone out as a whack j other, Oh, one of those conspiracy people you're wanted to leave in those crazy things, you probably wear a tinfoil hat. Right, So that is where the name came from. Is the stuff that you talk about, the average person is going to say that you're crazy, most likely anywhere a tinfoil hat. So these are tenfoil Tells because that's the stories from people that would be called crazy by the average person. And I'm not saying they're crazy, I'm just saying that's what the average person would label them as, right, right, But leaning that to people, they're like, you're just making fun of everybody. No, if you ever listened to my show, I don't make fun of anybody. Right, So there's that. But I enjoy talking to local people because I feel like it's there's things that I can reference and they would actually understand more than someone I'm talking to from wherever else, and geologically they don't or geography or whatever you want to call it, like they don't know the location. So with you being not super far from here, when I mentioned something about the area that I'm researching, you can kind of relate to where it is. And you'd heard me on Tony's show, didn't you. That's how you come up, right, Yeah. And I didn't go into a whole lot of stuff on his show. I was going to, but we didn't get a chance to do it. He had stuff to do and I had to drive back from Tennessee. But there's a lot more stuff that I was wanted to talk about than ever got the opportunity to. That's why I did my Little Missus Cinema Triangle episode. Right, this is something that I've been working on for a while and it just so happens. Now he just told me you saw something by the Mississiniwa River. So my whole head goes It's like, of course you did because everyone sees something along that freaking river. And I don't know if it's because of the fact that this whole area used to be in Miami Indians and they all got slaughtered like if they didn't get forced to move, if they didn't move, they were basically murdered by the army. So this whole freaking area, you had your Delaware Indians, that's why they're Delaware County. You had the Potawatamie, you had all these other tribes and their lands were landlocked, like their areas I found, like these old maps. South of the Wabash was the Delaware along the wall bashed in the Missino all was the Miami. They went all the way up to Fort Wayne, and then further north to them was all the pot of wata Man. There's some other ones over by the like Gary area, by the Michigan. I don't know the names of them were. But this whole air its called Indiana. Like this was all Native American land. So two hundred years ago, two hundred plus years ago, the army comes through and start just murdering all of them. So you know, there's some weird bad juju just from all the tragic shit that happened. But if you want to, you just sent me some photos of your vehicle, which no one's ever actually had any type of physical proof ever sent to me before. So you're the first one that actually showed me some sort of interaction with something they've seen. So I want to dive into this one. I'm gonna apologize now. This is the third time I've told this in public, and it was the scariest thing I've ever seen. No, so this was very right. It was that this is very recent. Yeah, it's November thirtieth, Saturday, after Thanksgiving. My wife and I were we had spent the day Christmas shopping in Ohio, and we were driving back. It was about seven o'clock at night, and my wife she was on her phone doing a Walmart order or something, and so she's not paying attention. You're you're from Indiana, you know, I understand this time of year, it's deer are all over the place and they're moving. So you know, I'm on alert for the deer, and I'm on twenty eight headed towards deer Field and there's a car that's probably about It's hard to tell tonight, but I would say two to three hundred yards in front of me, and you know, I'm watching the car because, like I said, if you're from the country, you know, you're watching for break lights. You're watching to see if they swear, if you're see if something goes in between you and their tail lights. And I didn't see the car didn't do anything, like the car in front of me didn't do anything. We're on probably sixty mile an hour and one one second the road's clear, and then there was something. There was something in the road and on the center line, and at first I couldn't tell what it was. I just saw something and it was probably when I first saw it, fifty to seventy five yards in front of me, and it was gray. It was I think it's the uh. I described it as the color of like cigarette ash. And as I got up on top of which this whole encounter only took maybe three three seconds, but you know when you see something in the road, time kind of slows down, you know. But I saw this. It looked like the upper body of a man from basically the belly button up, like from that area, and it looked like it was on its knuckles like a bulldog, you know, like its arms were like it was supporting itself with its arms or with its knuckles. And at first it was like, so it's on the center line. Its body is facing towards me, but it had its head turned to its right. And as I got closer, it turned and looked at me. And it didn't have a mouth or nose, no hair, no clothes on the body looked like not like a bodybuilder, but like it was in shape, you know, kind of muscular, but not overly muscular. But it had no mouth, no nose, and all I could see was like eye sockets, like there was no eye shine, nothing. As we got a little closer, it made like a move towards my lane, so I swerved, and as I swerved with its left hand, it like lunched at the car. And when I swerved, my wife, you know, looks up from her phone and I was like, did you see that? And she said no. I looked in the rear view, but it was dark. I couldn't I couldn't tell if there was anything back there or not. I felt like overwhelming fear when I saw this thing. So I out there, you know, I'm like, I got to get away from this thing. And I'm telling my wife what I saw, and she's like, do you want to back? And I'm like, no, I don't want to go back. So I get home and one of my friends is the host of Nevermore Hollows. I told you about him. The first thing I did was I get a hold of him because I needed to talk to somebody that one I knew would believe me, and two to try to calm me down. And he calls me right back with his co host and they started asking me all these questions, and one of the questions they asked was did you hit it? And I didn't feel anything or hear anything at the time. So after talking to them, they're like, you know, hey, make sure you write all this stuff down so you you know, don't forget anything. And I was. I was shaking. It scared me that bad. So after I got off the phone with him, I went outside smoked a cigarette, and I decided to go out and look at the vehicle because it made me think that, you know, maybe I did hit this thing. And I checked the front fender and there was nothing, and and then I saw looking it looks like fingerprints like it swiped the side of the car and I took the picture and I come back in and I my wife saw me. When I walk back in, She's like, what's wrong, and I told her I was like, get touched the car. So I took her out and she saw it. And then I went out the next day to get pictures in the daylight, and I measured it. And if it was the fourth like the first, your fingers from forefinger to pinky would have been between seven and eight inches. But if you look at that picture, it looks like the third and the pinky finger are like close together. And I tried measuring my fingers and the best I could do was six and that was with the fingers all the way spread out. So I mean, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for a human, but it's much bigger than my hand. I can tell you that. So I had somebody I after I told this encounter, I had somebody comment that it sounded like a thelusa and I had never heard of this before. So I started looking into it, and the description isn't exactly what I saw just reading it. Well, then I decided to have AI look up the description and generate a photo of it, and I sent you that one too. Yeah, and it was pretty freaking close other than the mouth and the nose, and I think the picture that AI generated had eyes shine. But other than that, yeah, it was pretty freaking close to what what I saw. It didn't have a mouth or nose. You said that you could see it. Was it was like skin like there was. It wasn't like they're like holes. It was like, I don't know, like skin like. There was the eyes where they just solid black. Yeah, they look like like a skull, like just like sunking in or you know, like it was that shape. But I will as I've looked back on it, I thought maybe the eyes were sunking in and just because of the way the headlights were hitting it, maybe it did have eyes. I don't know, but I didn't see any. I have photoshop, so I will take the image you sent me and I will remove some of those features and then I'll send it back to you to see if it looks more like what you saw. All right, I will say whenever AI brought that picture up, like and I've never been affected by anything like like I have been from seeing this thing. And another reason that I think that this is what I saw is because one of the descriptions says in Native American more that this creature affects your emotions like it makes you full of sorrow and fear. And that's probably the best way I can describe what I felt when I saw this thing, because I don't cry often, and three times since seeing this and retelling this, I've shed a tear over it, so I'm doing better to this time. I could say that. I can see it's visibly upsetting, which I can relate to that. But for anyone's ever listened to the show long enough to know, I'm very monotoned, even flowed, I don't really get emotional, which I'm probably undiagnosed autistic or something on a spectrum because I'm not a very emotional person. So but I understand something and it completely fucking with your whole reality because it makes you start to question things and it makes you I. Thought I was going crazy at the moment it happened, because yeah, I believe in this stuff. You know. I have people come on my show and tell me about these different things that they've seen, But when it's staring you in the face, it's it's different. You know, completely different. For me, I want to say, like, you can't tell someone you can one hundred percent relate because it affects everyone differently. But you can relate to someone knowing through that experience because you've experienced something too, So yeah, it affects everyone in their own way. I've never heard of something like this before, like the name, but for me, it sounds very similar to just a depiction of it you've heard of other people refer to, Like there's been things like the pale crawler looking things, but they even like the dover demons. How big was this thing though? You said the hands are really big part to it. Which I never saw that. Like the whole time I saw saw the creature, it was on its knuckles, so I never actually saw its hands open. But this thing on it's on its knuckles, like that was every bit is I mean it was to the hood of the We've got a next era. I mean it was the head was at the hood, so what four four feet just on its on its knuckles and I couldn't see that was the other thing. When I first described this to Chris and Allen, I said, it kind of felt like it was crawling out of the ground. But It could have just been like dragging its back end and I couldn't see it because of the position. I don't know, you, I don't know. It could have been. I don't want to say. I don't want to keep going the route that a lot of people tend to go down. But do you think it was manifesting itself into our reality? Like that's it was still taking its shape, So it wasn't it full. Form yet it could have been. It could have been. I don't know. I don't know. Like I said, one second it was not there, and one second it was. I didn't like I started to use the word materialize, But when I think materialize, I think like like on Star Trek, you know, like the transporter type thing. But it was just like it blinked like it was there. It's and at first the first thing that came to mind was a rake, but. That's basically like the pell crawler. Yeah, but all the description I hear that is more than And this thing looked healthy, I guess you would say. I mean it had muscle definition and yeah, like it didn't look what's the word I'm looking for, emaciated. It didn't look emaciated. It looked healthy other than no mouth and no nose. But when it didn't have any hair, I didn't see ears. Let's not to say it didn't have them. It happened so far I was so focused on the eyes that. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, that's. Weird question. But do you feel like this happened because of what you're doing? Yeah? I do, because I really we're gonna go kind of into into the woo a little bit. But where I live, I do feel like there is some kind of if you want to call it, spiritual battle maybe where these things don't want they don't want us to know about them. And I think people that talk about these things and they try to scare them out of doing it, you know, Like. I don't know. I do feel like I do feel like it was trying to keep me from getting the truth out there. This my personal feelings on that. But or it could have just been I saw something that I shouldn't have seen. I don't know. I was warned this when I first started doing the show, and I mentioned it on other episodes, but someone random on Facebook told me they worry about me and my family this. I do only been doing it for like a month at this point, and I'm like why, and they quoted nietzsch r Niche or whatever they'll it is. But like says, when you start looking into these things, sometimes they start looking back. And I've heard it multiple times from other on other shows, other people talking some of these entities whatever they are, energy spirits, they notice you because you've noticed them. Yeah, because you've noticed them. Now they're going to make themselves more attracted to you because you've paid attention to them. I don't know what they are, I don't know where they're from anything about it, but I do know I think there is some truth to that, because when you start to look into this type of stuff, you start noticing more things, because is it opening up your proverbial third eye or whatever, You just are able to start seeing things more than what the average person would write off. I agree. I agree, And like I said, or like you said, I've heard other people say that too, and you know, maybe maybe it's being naive or whatever. I thought, you know, well, that's that's not what happened to me. But it did. And but I think if they if the intended message was for me to stop what I'm doing, I'm too stubborn for that, because now it makes me want to push harder, like people need to know that this stuff is real, and if that takes me continuing to do this show, that's what I'm going to do. I think that is I don't necessarily know if they're de terrence. I look at some I'm trying to look at things from a different perspective, and I know this will rub people the wrong way. But I interviewed a lady a while back in the episode came out, and she claimed that she was used to be a demon, and I got a lot of crap from people about that, but there were some aspects of her story that made me kind of wonder about stuff. They don't refer to themselves as demons in that sense. They think they're gods. So if these things think they're their own gods, and I've talked to other people that have talked about this too, like what makes them think they're a god? What do they want? They want that recognition, they want that attention, They want something like that. So if something's out there and then you paid attention to it, you've seen it and now it's gotten into your head to where it's affecting you. You're giving it that attention, You're giving it what it wants. You're feeding into it. So now other ones are going to come around because they want that attention too. You're feeding whatever it is that they're wanting. And that's why people are always saying, you're stop doing what you're doing, because you're giving into the demons and everything. Everything's demons to people. But what if what we're calling demons and what if what we're calling all these other things are just these low frequency feeding whatever and they want that attention. They want the upset from you, they want the fear, they want because that's something that they need, and the feed on. And by us talking about this stuff, by us getting upset about this, by us doing what the dumb shit that I'm doing, like going out looking for this stuff, we're giving it that attention. Right, So. That is why people don't do it. Don't do this, you shouldn't do don't do We're feeding these things the attention that they're telling us not to give it to them. So I don't necessarily think these things don't want to be seen. I just don't think that they're capable of being seen until someone is open to being able to see them if that makes any sort of sense. Yeah, yeah, it does make sense. And hadn't looked at it that way, but yeah, I mean that's very possible. I have no idea what the hell I'm talking about ninety nine percent of the time, So anyone out there listening, I'm not an expert. I don't ever say to be an expert. I ever will call myself an expert. This is just where my brain goes, and I think that to me, this is what I think. What I think doesn't mean anything. I'm just a guy with a microphone. Yeah, anybody who calls themselves an expert, they're not because if there were experts on it, we'd already be studying it in books. And you know, if you have to go around and tell people you're an expert, you're usually not an expert. People will already know who you are. My last interview, that was actually brought up about something too. During the interview, the guy had said something and I said the same thing as like, if you have to tell people you're an expert, more than likely you're not, because if you are considered an expert, the people around you would already know that and they would consider you the expert. You don't have to tell people that's what you are. It's like stroking your own ego that I'm an expert in something that's not improved to exist. Okay, I'm an expert in bullshit. So there's that. Yeah. So to get back to the whole Native American thing, you know, after I started looking into this and the LUSA thing, and this goes back to what you were talking about earlier. Right outside well first, where I had my encounter. I had just crossed the creek that feeds the Mississiniwa. Missus Santawa is maybe a quarter mile from where I had to encounter. There is there are burial mounds in this area. Mm hmm. There's one. It took me some digging to find. It's less than nine miles from there, right along the mississtto Waw. It's on private property so you can't get to it, so it's not on Google Maps or anything, but I was able to track it down. It's but actually there's an English graveyard on top of the burial mound. So you've got basically a desecrated mound in the area. I'm sure you've heard of Frett Zimmerman. Name sounds familiar. He did a he's got I think he's called the Insight. I forget what it's called, but it's it's all about mounds, the mound builders. That's what he studied. And he was able to find like ninety something burial mounds in Indiana and Ohio, and one of the burial mounds here in Jay County, it's reported that they found oversized skeletons in the mound, and one of the skeletons was holding the shriveled remains of a child's hand or something like that. But this is all. There's three burial mounds within ten fifteen miles of where I had my encounter. The boundary line for when the Battle for Recovery happened that runs right through this area. This whole area was the front lines of the you know, English and Native American battles, you know, so there's all kinds of bloodshed in this whole area. And then you put in the fact that you talk about the Walbash. The Walbash starts just north of me, and it ran through it's called Limberlost Swamp. They drained that swamp in the early nineteen hundreds, and from what I can understand, the swamp was I don't know if you want to call it sacred to the Miami Indians, but they drained it to create farmland. So it's hard telling when all these farms were made what other sites were destroyed. And you know, we're still talking about Mississi Wabash rivers. You know, all this water is flowing right to you in this area. So and then not even I'm still looking into it. Like I said, this is all I been three weeks since has happened, and I'm still trying to dig into this stuff. Finding a lot of a lot of weird stuff in this area. Yeah. So I'm just a few miles from where the Mississinoa and the Walbash connect, and I live very close to the Hill River. And if you go down a couple more miles, like more towards Loganspord, the Ill and the Walbash connect. So I'm in the middle of all of that, like all of these three rivers meeting each other. The Calimony River feeds into the Walbash and that runs right through here too. Yeah. And then so I called the Mississinawall Triangle. But that's just because I ploted points from some sightings or whatever, and I noticed that it kind of made if you follow the encounter, the next encounter, the next encounter where I put these little dots on this map, I was like, that's a straight line. You go from that point down to this, and that's another one that I go from back and over here. It's like, holy shit, it made like anyone can make a triangle. Though I'm not saying like this is intentionally a triangle. It's just a term that gets tossed out for anything weird and paranormal. It's kind of aliche trendy thing at this point to call something that. But the ceremony has a lot of weird stuff too. I think I even mad before. Like back in August, I rented a boat for my buddy's bachelor party. We're out on a pontoon. The first thing they told us is we couldn't go to Monument Island. So that's the first place I drove that damn boat to. And uh, I don't know why you can't go there, but it's got all these warning times in the Army of Corps of Engineers that you can't get off and dock or anything on this little island. I was like, why, Like, now, I want to know why I can't go there? What's so special about this little piece of land in the middle of a lake. And it's just where the old city used to be, which is funny because under the Mississinawall there used to be the original Somerset and they flooded it over too and they relocated it so. And that's and that's that's another thing too, you I mean land between the lakes. You know, all these towns got submerged, and there's all kinds of paranormal stuff reported there. You know. It's it's there's a theme that repeats every time that you see where we're just gonna build a damn here. You know why trying to cap off? Now, I didn't. I just learned this recently because I never thought about it in the sense of until I started digging into stuff. I thought it was weird beforehand that the Army Corps of Engineers was always the ones that are involved with building these dams, and they're the ones that maintain it. Why is the Army the ones that deal with the dams, who were the ones that came through originally and took over the land and wiped out the Native Americans. The army. Yeah, so why are they still there making sure that everything's running properly for this damn. I get it's a like natural resource thing. They have to have it maintained or whatever. But why is it the Army's job to do that? That's a good question. Like that. I never I never thought I knew the Army was involved. I never went down the rabbit hole of why the army considering the history of what the army had done to plus years ago now to the original Native people that were here. The only thing I could see on that would be federal government is doing the work. And I mean, you've got labor with the army. That'd be the only thing I could see. They contracted out though. Yeah, they do that a lot more now than they used to. Though used to that it wasn't so much contract work. It was. We've got these guys that can do it. You know. Now, I've looked into stuff and I've it falls in line to kind of in the background of what I do for professional stuff. Truth be told, I'm not a professional podcaster of people listening like this isn't my job, but my normal job, my nine to five or whatever ends up being sometimes sixteen hour job is truction. I oversee highway construction. I'm basically like a project engineer. I just don't have the engineering degree. So for me, I understand all these concepts and everything. I understand how everything works. But very rarely have I ever had to interact with the Army Corps of Engineers on anything we do Federal highway. We do stuff like that, and they're not usually the ones involved. And I don't know if it's just structurally because it's something bridge related. I was getting ready to say, I know they did do a lot of the basically flood control. You know along the Mississippi River Ohio River. You know that they built all those all the dams and all the what's the word I'm looking for. Yeah, those things that hold back the floodwaters on the rivers, and that they were involved in all that all the way up and down Mississippi. And I lived in Louis, Sana for a while, it was the same thing. There's flood walls. They were all built by the Army Corps engineers. So yeah, that's something to do with water. Which again we're just talking about water seems to be the weird concept here because from what I was told, they built the Mississinema on top of these natural springs, these natural weil systems, and that's why every so many years the miss Cinema has to continue to be fixed because the bottom of it keeps washing out. And I know that's true because I just fixed it, like probably I know that was going on about twenty years ago. Like every so many years, it starts to uproot itself, it starts to wash out, so they have to keep redoing all this stuff to keep fixing it. So if that was the case, there's a piss poor design and planning of the why you'd put it there if you're gonna always have to get continue keep working on it, unless you put it there to cap something, which is what the story was. They did to cap off these natural springs. But that whole area was supposedly the mystical places for the Miami Indians. And I was told, I'm going to be interviewing someone from the actual tribe, Like I didn't get permission from that, so I'll find out more. Aiant he had to speak with the elders and get permission to come on here and talk about a lot of the stuff that is tossed out there. So I don't want to continue to say things that could be completely not true. But I was told by other people that prior to the army and everything they used to do, we would call it today modernizes witchcraft. Back then, that's not what it was to them. It was just their natural way, spiritual ways. Today we call it spiritual warfare. But they were warring with other tribes, even different clans of the Miami. Then they would summon these spirit protectors and they would do all sorts of things to around here, like they do their little curse to this and that they would and a lot of us all something to do with water. How true is that? I have no idea, but that is some of the things that I kicked over and been told about is. And there's supposedly a book about some of this stuff. I ain't need to locate that book. But if that was some of the things that was going on hundreds of years ago, who's to say that some of the remnants of that still isn't soaked up here in the lands. How far away from you said you're was by the river. How far away from the river was it? Oh? Quarter maybe a half mile, but I just I just literally crossed I think it's called Miller Creek as I was going across the bridge is when I saw this thing and that mill. That creek feeds into the. Mississinia Water is also considered a very big conduit for paranormal activity. It's an energy shir, it's constantly moving, constantly. We use it for electricity how they generate certain things. So if we're able to do that ourselves, why isn't something in the spiritual realm that needs something like that able to channel it too? Because I agree, I think the water in the area of the lands and all the old stuff, there's a very big reason why this all happens around here, because geologically this is just cornfield area. Like there's no mountains, there's no big forest, there's not a whole lot of anything besides flat fields. But if you start to map it out like I've been doing, there is so much weird stuff going on and just a small little area compared to the rest of the state. Yeah, why is that? And again, most of the highest activity of weird sightings not just triptids, but UFO sightings encounters with paranormal stuff weird anything is very very close to a water source. And I know people can say, well, most society is built around water sources, yes, and no not here, not in some of these spots, because some of these spots where people see all this stuff there is like this rural area. It's like not into town. But the stuff that I was filming today, we were literally in town. I was just getting drone footage, which can during all the weird stuff going on with drones. I surprised it didn't get shot out of the sky. But we were going down the river and getting some drone footage for this documentary. And the area that I was at was this area where they supposedly seen multiple werewolves. Again, I'm not someone that believes in werewolves, but I also it's all something that most people would consider freaking were wolves. So what is going on here, Like there's. Just that the whole werewolf story, I mean, is that just a misidentification of the dog man? You know, they see something that's walks like a man and it has the head of a dog. Well, they must have turned in they must have turned into that, you know, right, So I mean, like I said that, it goes back to that there's always a smidgeon of truth in these myths, in this in this lore, and it could be you know what I mean, they talk about dog headed people all throughout history. You know, it's not just it's not just a new phenomenon that started in Michigan. You know. That depends on what you talked to. The term dog man, yes, started from there, but the lore itself, and I've said that, it's like it goes back thousands of years. Yes, just a recent thing, the dog Man's song and the jokes from that, Yes, that came. That's what coined the term in modern society. But they used to be called were wolves, like which is here's another thing, and I don't remember if I talked about this on my other episode, but one of the areas that there's actually it was a week ago Thursday, So it was the it was either the right around the time you had your encounter, someone had seen a bigfoot over by La Fountain and it was just like two weeks ago. It wasn't even that far long ago, and they reported it. Because I've seen on the mapping projects I've been checking that recently because I'm mapping out locations of where people have had reports at which again over by the Fountain is where the monument like the War of eighteen twelve memorial is. It's where they used to do the Battleground reenactments and that's where all the where it first started at. For so it's where they got all the grave sites for the army people and stuff. And then you'd go to the Native America side. They just have a plaque because they didn't know their name, they didn't care about them. But so that is in that general area, and like a couple of miles from there is where that someone just recently seen a big foot And I've had two different people tell me that they've seen bigfoot over at that battleground area. So if you go along that battleground is literally along the Missisinomoa River. But the town of La Fountain or La Fontaine is how it would be pronouncing French. That whole area was a French area, and if you look back in the history, the French and English were kind of having like the wars with the Indians back then too, because that's what was going on. So that little town was settled by the and the French people had their stories of the Lugaroo which is considered what they werewolf. So the stories in that area. They talked about the Lugaroo in an area that supposedly has stories of wolf people, which again goes back to where the tribes claimed they summoned these wolf spirits to protect their lands against their enemies. So who kind of kind of goes back to what I had heard about that white wolf too, was that this this wolf spirit was was there to protect this chief's graveside. Or whatever mm hmm, Tecumpsy or whatever. Was that his name? I know, he don't, he didn't. He couldn't remember that. All he said was an Indian chief, That's all he said. I know, to Comsy is a name that gets tossed around. I don't think he was anything with the Miami. I think he might have been one of the bigger tribes because I think all the tribes kind of got together to go against the army. Yeah, but they all still got put on the trail of tears and shipped out to Oklahoma. Yeah, or murdered you. You either leave him or die. Well, there's your options, which right crazy times. Yeah. Yeah, Well, well, is there anything else you'd like to talk about? I don't I don't like to talk over people all the time, but I kind of with you being local, know in the area, we've kind of talked back and forth. So I was more conversing in this episode than I usually usually just let the guest talk. But I like the back and forth because that's that's how I run my show. So I do like the back and forth. So I do enjoy doing the back and forth. But a lot of the time I try just to let the audience listen to the guests. I don't want to make the show about myself. So yeah, that's how There's a lot of shows that the host does a lot of talking, and I'm the kind of person that wants to be in the background and to observe and listen and learn. I don't want to have all the attention on myself. Maybe I have a little bit of ADHD because I have to ask a question as soon as it comes in my head or I forget it. I try and make mental notes, and then sometimes I just go brain fart for what I'm saying. I've always got I've always got my notepad, but then there's just times where it's like it just falls out of my mouth, like I've got to ask this question right now. Yeah, well, I would like for you to let everyone know again where they can get out hold of you and listen to your show and everything about it. The easiest way to find me is on YouTube at Myths, Monsters and Mullets. If you want to join the live show, there's a link in the description of my channel to take you to my TikTok page where all my lives are done. Eventually that'll be transferring over to YouTube. On YouTube, it's John cch Methan camp. It's too much to try to remember, but if you go to my YouTube, Cannon, you will find me. You can contact me at Myths and Mullets at gmail dot com, and you can find me on Spotify. If you send me an email with a links and then I'll make sure to put that in the show notes. I will do that. If you're out there listening, I might bump this episode up, so if you're hearing this now, this is one of the ones that I kind of moved ahead of some of the other ones because I kind of feel like it needs to get out there a little bit quicker than some of the other people's. No offense to anyone listening here the other guests, but well, John's been a pleasure. I enjoyed it. Anywhile they're listening, Thanks for listening, and we'll check you on the next one. And that's the show everyone. I rather hope you guys enjoyed the conversations. 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