Ep. 128: Midwest Lights & The Cosmic Visitor

[00:00:03] [SPEAKER_01]: and I just turned around and I called ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with that.

[00:00:12] [SPEAKER_02]: They had a proper seat at the call, it's one of the things that hurt me away the quickest.

[00:00:21] [SPEAKER_00]: When I turned my headlights on, it turned and looked at us.

[00:00:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And one of the things I remember the most were the eyes were going to risk.

[00:00:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I see an worm of light, it is just circling. These steps like it is waiting for me.

[00:00:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And it begins to tell them that he saw you off low.

[00:00:45] [SPEAKER_01]: They're basically like putting that seven foot up on a tree.

[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_01]: He threw us all the top of the muck, as soon as I made eye contact with this thing, it felt like death.

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Welcome back to Tinfoil Tales. I am your host, Brandon Wright.

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_06]: On tonight's episode we're going to be joined by my first in studio guest, my friend Mike.

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_06]: I've known Mike since probably around the year 2000s almost 25 years.

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_06]: We went to school together and been in a couple of bands together kind of lost touch over the years as most people do when they grow up.

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_06]: But here we have a talk about it back and forth. And he had some experiences that he would like to talk about.

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_06]: So he will be the first guest in my new studio before we dive into that.

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[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_06]: I like the welcome Mike to the show. Mike is an old friend of mine. He's the first guest I've had in this new studio.

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_06]: So kind of break it in here today. Mike, thanks for coming on your talk, woman.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, no problem.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself?

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah. My name is Mike. That was Brandon said.

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_03]: We've known each other over 20 years. I imagine I think something like that.

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, professionally. I work for a landscaping company. You know, long hours, 10 or 12 hours a day.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Man, that's that's all I do right now.

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because I sleep afterwards.

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I get up at 5 p.m. every day.

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_03]: All right, and go to work. I mean, that'll change us in the winter time. Right. Right now it's tiring.

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_06]: You're not one that's been involved in any like the strange weird paranormal stuff. Like this isn't something that happens to you all the time or anything like that.

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_06]: So, um, for for me, like I'm just trying to explain a little bit here for the audience. Like basically.

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_06]: You're not the type of person that comes around as sagey. You have this happened to you. This happened to like, that this is not you like you're not up.

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_03]: No, you're not coming on here just to like, I don't make stories of right.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just, you know, I'm not scared to tell the truth of what happened to you though because I don't really give a shit about what people think.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Right. You know, but yeah, no, I've never been wanting to make up stories that you know didn't didn't happen.

[00:05:01] Yeah.

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_03]: It was definitely, uh, it was definitely it changes the way you look at things when when weird stuff like that happens.

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, definitely.

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Would you like to dive on into it or you want to give a little bit of a background into it for him?

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I mean, it's, it's a series of your grants that happened.

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, so I guess maybe a little bit of background might might be needed not a lot but a little bit.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, so the, the first time was chair squeaky.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_03]: The first time.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Don't trust that chair. I'll be getting anyone on yourself.

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_03]: The, the first time something weird happened to me. It was, uh, I was, I want to say 20, 20 actually yeah, 20.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, and I was in a town called Jerome.

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I think you know, you know, the town called him out.

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, the haunted cemetery apparently.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_05]: I've actually talked about it on here once or twice, I think.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I've been there a few times.

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I think I've been there with you.

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Now you had.

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, but my, uh, my sister used to live out there and I was out there driving around with, uh, a friend of mine.

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_03]: It was a mutual friend who made me and my sisters.

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_03]: And, uh, it was, uh, probably like 2 a.m.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And I looked up and I saw what looked like.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_03]: An airplane, I guess, would be the, that's about how fast it was moving.

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And it, uh, I was like, oh yeah, cool, you know, that's weird though because there's no flash, there's like no flashing light.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just one light. Like what?

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I've never seen an airplane look like that.

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_03]: But as I was looking at it and you know, thinking all that, this thing shot off like I watched it.

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Like if, if I hadn't seen it, but 2 seconds later than when I seen it,

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I would have just thought it was like a shooting star, you know,

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_03]: debris breaking up in the atmosphere or whatever.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And I watched it go from normal speed, like an airplane in the nice guy to take an off at,

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't, just because I don't know what I saw.

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, for lack of a better term, uh, I guess it shot off at light speed.

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what it looked like, you know, like a shooting star, you know,

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_03]: but I watched it and, you know, me two years ago,

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_03]: or comments or whatever, they don't change speeds like that.

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Not that drastically without any outside intervention, you know,

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_03]: like they're, they're not going to do that.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_03]: That's not how it works.

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, I always saw it was, it's pretty much mathematically impossible

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_03]: in my head that we are alone, you know.

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_03]: So like it's just because we can't figure out how to travel somewhere else,

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, without traveling in a straight line for, you know,

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_03]: however long doesn't mean another species can't be smarter than us

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_03]: and figure it out, you know.

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_03]: So that was the first experience.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_03]: It was, it was pretty, pretty cool, you know, to say at least.

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_06]: But you, you just a light that you could see or what?

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, it wasn't.

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I've never actually seen, uh, like a solid form.

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_03]: It's always been just a light.

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_03]: But the second time that happened, it was a light.

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_03]: But it was not even 30 feet in front of me.

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_03]: So if, if you can imagine light as a solid object is the best way to describe it.

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_03]: So it was a light, but it was right in front of me.

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it was, it was, I actually started yelling at when it happened.

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_03]: That's, and that's the only time that something happened to me,

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_03]: that somebody else was there and actually seen it happen.

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_03]: So I mean we don't really speak anymore, you know, because it's, uh, an ex girlfriend.

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_03]: But I mean if you, if you were to speak to her, she would tell you,

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_03]: maybe not word for word, what I say, but I mean,

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_03]: she, she's seen the UFO or UAP or whatever you want to call it, whatever it was.

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Now, yeah, I, I'm not going to claim to know what, what they are, you know.

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it could be government for all I know because I mean, it was right in front of me.

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't think anyone really knows what they are.

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think somebody has an answer, at least, at least for some of them,

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_03]: maybe not all of them, but I definitely think that somebody has an answer.

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_06]: I think a lot of it is our own stuff to be honest and yeah, I would agree with that.

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't want to say that it's not a possibility that there's some other form of life or something out there,

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_06]: traveling around, but at the same time, I feel like a lot of the stuff that people are seen or more or less probably originated from here.

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, I mean, you know, even, even Bobo's are said that,

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_03]: he thinks that a lot of the, like the craft that the government has or archaeological finds basically, you know, they dug them up.

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_06]: So where did they come from originally?

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_06]: That's the thing that never gets brought up to that I've ever noticed, like, are they standard not from here or were they something like an ancient technology that they've uncovered?

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I've, I bet it's a little bit of both, but ancient technology makes a lot of sense to me for a lot of it.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_06]: If you have the ancient technologies and then that just means civilization was a lot more advanced back in the day than what they are now, which I believe to an extent anyways because you have the stuff like the pyramids.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_06]: The sphinx, all the things that have been made to you.

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, all those things that have been made that ancient aliens, those made to popularize.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if you do, if you do a little bit of digging, you can, you know, I mean, and you got to read between the lines, you can't just, you know, go diamond in the internet and expect to find everything and believe it all, you know, like you got to read between the lines.

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Because there's a lot of crazy, crazy theories that and they contradict one another a lot of times.

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_06]: So it's, you know, there's definitely a lot out there that is false information.

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_06]: A lot of it has pushed on people just to believe that all scenarios for whatever strange reasons that they want.

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean they have the proof that they prove that this information is a big, you know, a real big thing.

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_03]: To keep us guessing, I guess.

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I think we're a little bit more mature than then they give us credit for though because and I think they know that too because I think that's where, you know, some different disinformation lie to actually because.

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's, it's not just about oh, we might panic, you know, because.

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Technology like that, that's like.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Changing the world for the better if.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_03]: They let it come out, you know, and then they can't lie in their pockets with.

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, whatever energy they're selling that week.

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so.

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_04]: They had definitely have a kind of agenda.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_06]: You want to go on into the.

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Other experience you have.

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, um.

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_03]: This is I mean this.

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean it was a short experience.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't, it wasn't very.

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't a very long experience, but it was definitely.

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, oh, wait, are you talking about the one I was just talking about or the third one.

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know how many you have at your own.

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_03]: There's there's there's three actually.

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'll tell the one with me and my ex first before the last one because the last one is the.

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_03]: That's the.

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Me and my ex were in Indianapolis.

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_03]: On it was a Sunday.

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember that.

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And it was.

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I'd say it's about seven years ago.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not good with dates.

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not good with dates at all.

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_03]: It's my birthday wasn't on Christmas Eve. I wouldn't remember it.

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_03]: We were driving and I drove a mini man, you know, we were driving northbound on Keystone in Indianapolis.

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_03]: It was about 530 in the morning.

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_03]: And we were, you know, headed back home.

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_03]: And I remember seeing a helicopter up like to my right.

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, like you know, flying in the sky, whatever.

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And it was just hover in there and I was like, well, what the hell?

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_03]: It looked, it looked funny. You know,

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_03]: then old cartoons.

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Where the helicopters like looking for the criminal with the spotlight.

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, that's what it looked like.

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_03]: It's exactly what it looked like.

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_03]: It was it.

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_03]: It was weird.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Then I said, oh, hey, it's definitely what the hell was that?

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_03]: What the hell that helicopter do?

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'll never forget it.

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_03]: She was on her phone and she looked up.

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_03]: And no sooner she looked up.

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_03]: This helicopter and quotations here.

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Like swooped down like right in front of us.

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Like it was like it looked like it was going to hit Keystone.

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_03]: It was this whole experience with maybe about 10 seconds.

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's being generous.

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't even think it was that long, probably.

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_03]: But it swooped down like it was going to smash in the Keystone and then swooped back up.

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, this is literally like right in front of us.

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_03]: There's not a there's never a day in Indianapolis where there's no traffic.

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_03]: There it's it is.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a pain in the am mean, I don't want to.

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, take away from you know, California traffic or something.

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_06]: But it's grown up in a small town like we did.

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Each hit is a lot different.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Indianapolis is never except on Sunday mornings.

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_03]: That is literally the only time where you're not going to be, you know,

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_03]: back to back in a bumper bumper traffic.

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_03]: It sucks.

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_03]: But we are the only car on Keystone at the moment at 530 in the morning on Sunday.

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_03]: The only car.

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_03]: This thing swoops down in front of us and then like jumps back up into the sky and like turns to the right a little bit like.

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's from it's perspective, not from from mine.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess from it's perspective. I don't know.

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_03]: But it wasn't any when I saw it.

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't any bigger than my vehicle.

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_03]: It was but it was like a ball of light.

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Can you still hear me?

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, okay, it cut out on mine.

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Think, but it was like a ball of light, you know.

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_03]: That's it. If you can just if you think of light as a solid object, you know, that's what it was.

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_03]: It was it was pretty cool.

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_03]: We're color wasn't like it.

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_03]: So it started as like a normal lightball color kind of, you know,

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_03]: but when it when it shot down in front of us and then went back up to take off.

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Dude, it turned like I want to say like that it was like brightest orange.

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_03]: It was like reddish, brightish orange.

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And it like you see it take off.

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And as it's taking off, it looks like it's cloaky.

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Like it, you know, this last second of this experience that happened.

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_03]: It looked like it was cloaky, you know, because I seen it.

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_03]: And then I see a little tiny dot like a thousand, the size of what I originally see and it's just gone.

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I'm like, oh, that was, I'm not, I'm not gonna lie.

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_03]: My ex, her jaw was dropped and I started to scream.

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm, oh my god, oh my god, I was freaking out.

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Because at this point, you know, I'm, I've already went down the rabbit hole, rabbit hole, you know, like I'm,

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm committed to trying to figure out what's actually going on.

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And I know I never, never will most likely know exactly what's going on.

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_03]: But you know, when you, you see something like that, you want to know what the hell it is.

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Right. Yeah, that's, that's just,

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I would say that 95% of people would, would feel the same way.

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_03]: But so it took me probably a year to even realize what had happened, you know, because I thought it put like this cloaking device or whatever whatever you want to call it on.

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And, and but no, what had happened, I was telling a buddy of mine that I worked with. He was actually on UFO hunters when they came to Cocomo.

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_03]: If you remember that, you know, I was telling him about it.

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And he was like, oh yeah, shout out the light sweet, huh?

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's, that's when it clicked that it wasn't cloaking. It just, it just shot off so fast that I seen it in two places it wants is what I mean, it looked like, you know, it was, and like, you know, in the sky.

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And then directly in front of it, I see a tiny little dot.

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, like almost like in the movies, it's weird to say that but.

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Do you think of the thing in front of it was a separate object and the light behind it was something chasing it or if it was just given off the light behind that was its propulsion.

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I didn't see any propulsion is the thing unless unless that that orange color that it made.

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, there was no propulsion. There was no sound.

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And it wasn't any bigger than my mini band but no, it didn't look like it was it looked like it was, it looked like it was, me, I guess, me, it's very, I don't want to act like I know what they were doing.

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, because and I've always said like, I don't even know if it was, I don't know if it was aliens or, you know, I have no idea.

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_03]: It's, I just know what I seen and what it looked like was that it looked like that object shot off at light speed or cloaked itself.

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_03]: The, you know, it, I would, I go out. I would say that it probably shot off it. What looked like to me as light speed.

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_03]: That's why I looked like it was in two places that it wants for like, I don't know, a half a second.

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm wondering if maybe it wasn't if that makes any sense. I know it sounds strange but like maybe that is how it travels like it doesn't travel like normal profulsions or whatever maybe it actually like.

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know how to make it. It's like, it's jumping.

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it goes from one spot to the next spot to the next spot like it's not traveling in between. It's almost like,

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Right, it went through like a portal kind of almost I just wasn't able to see the portal so it looked like it was in two places that once but really it was just.

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I thought I thought that too actually it's funny that you say that.

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_06]: I was thinking like maybe it just has a the way of opening up that portal where it goes here almost like you take a piece of paper you put a dot here and a dot there and you fold the paper.

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Now when, when I, when I said that to my ex about what the hell's that helicopter doing?

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And she looked up it when it come down it, it was almost like it. It was acknowledging that it knew that we seen it like it couldn't have been more in 20 or 30 feet in front of us and there was no.

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't, I mean like I said like light as a thought object there was no metal that I saw. I'm sure there is something underneath the light you know, but there are.

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_03]: What we could see there was nothing.

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_06]: It's funny that you mentioned that because there are people that communicate with these things and I believe it's a the call of C5 and.

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_06]: And there's that doctor Steven Greer. Yeah, I can.

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, a little information about him.

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not saying he's wrong or anything like that. I actually don't have a chance to talk to the guy, but I know he charges people at least $10,000 to come out there.

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, I don't know that there's a lot of things that I'll listen to that I don't necessarily believe you know like flatter for instance.

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't I don't believe that it's flatter. I don't I don't think the alien their demons, you know, I don't I think they're just like people basically you know some are good summer bad.

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Who knows, you know.

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_06]: I've always been Larry when someone charges a lot of money.

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Yep, I agree with that actually it makes you wonder what the motives really are if you're charging people.

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Thousands of the bond dollars come out there and experience something like are you actually.

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Horting your knowledge just to benefit like.

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_03]: So, which yeah, I guess I remember he said something about they were real close to making zero point energy like a.

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And giving it to the public and this is probably 10 years ago.

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, so where's it at?

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Like you know the government has it they just won't give it to us.

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_06]: There's a lot of stuff out there that.

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_06]: It could benefit humanity and I believe if that the technology is out there we will never see it at least not in four and other 50 years from now.

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Right, you know, they're their way ahead of you know and who knows exactly except for the people that actually get to use the technology.

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_03]: But their way ahead of what what they tell us I guarantee it.

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_06]: That's why I feel like a lot of these UAPs and everything that they're talking about now are.

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_06]: More no things like the tech tech stuff the.

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_06]: They found them true.

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_03]: They can't really hide it.

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_03]: It's I mean, I've seen it you know firsthand it's when they're when they're popping up in front of you.

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_03]: You know who you're you can't tell me that I didn't see it because I did I you know I know what I saw.

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_03]: It was I will I don't I say I know what my eyes you know you saw something I know I saw something I don't know what it was but you know I know.

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_03]: That I you know never had I don't have a history of hallucinating you know.

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't believe that people I don't know how to work this correctly I don't believe that people hallucinate in the sense of they see things like that.

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_06]: Right, like even if someone was.

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Did some sort of hallucinic drug I know people would mess with DMT.

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_06]: They claim that has what when they experience talking to.

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_06]: I think that's real different beams and everything like I don't know if it's because they've trapped into some sort of part of their brain.

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Or like they claim it's as a hallucination is not real because it's true.

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Who's to say that maybe this hallucination isn't a hallucination and maybe they're actually communicating with something from beyond the realm that we can understand because our brains have been completely dumbed down and not be able to use was there originally.

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Right, I mean it's it's definitely there we are we release it every night you sleep.

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_03]: You know I don't see an issue with.

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_03]: With using a host and a gender drug spiritually you know it's.

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not like getting high it's.

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I've completely different.

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_03]: You know journey there it's not like getting high.

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_06]: I know there are people out there that would frown upon that just because the context of it but I understand like a lot of religions not yeah oh yeah.

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_06]: We're from America so the most common religion here is Christianity and anyone to dust up like that you're either doing the doubles let us.

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Everything's like evil and you know we're surrounded by like recreational states and we'll be it will be the last one.

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's that's not there here nor there it's where the.

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Indiana is very backwards when it comes to certain things yes yes we grew up here yep but now when it comes to.

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_06]: This country in general though for the most part we've been very restrictive on religious type aspects like this country was founded on the Christianity beliefs.

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_06]: And whatever reason.

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Partaking and things like that is usually very frowned upon.

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah and it probably always will be because I mean propaganda you know there is.

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Do you remember in school.

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Then bringing a brief case.

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Did you go to did you go to the same elementary school I did.

[00:30:24] No.

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay well they brought a brief case and first grade maybe about a brief case.

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Fill with a list of substances.

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And show to us all what they were.

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Very strange for first grade.

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_03]: First grade.

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_06]: No my my kids go to the same school now but I don't think they do that anymore.

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_06]: No they don't and.

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm very lot different in the in the early 90s to whatever the hell.

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_06]: You're here in right now I guess twenty twenty four some people argue about that I don't that's a.

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_06]: That's a topic I might discuss some time on another critical conspiracy is opposite but people do not believe we're in really in twenty twenty four.

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean.

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_03]: It depends on which calendar you follow.

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_06]: There's so many different calendars like right the Chinese calendar is different I think there's a Jewish calendar that's different there's.

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_06]: We're just falling under whatever calendar that we fell under the old Roman calendar I think.

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Something like that like there's the Gregorian or I don't know that I know there's a bunch and I don't.

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't necessarily think we're in it depend on how you look at it like because I think there's been several civilizations on the planet myself.

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think we're the first.

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Intelligent life here.

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_06]: You know there's.

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_06]: If there was I think it's either already gone or we're the remnants of it and they've let us be.

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if they saw them down because they saw how they turned out maybe they had different.

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_03]: We're scary when we're smart we.

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Gloss shit up.

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_06]: That tends to be what happens now and back to that same thing which I thought was funny when you start looking back at these UFO encounters and experiences with people.

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_03]: It really upticked after rule were two yeah yep the nukes man the nukes day.

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_03]: They wanted to.

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Shut them down I guess I mean and there's there's stories from American and Russian bases and German you know of.

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean the Germans didn't have nukes or they'd probably used them but.

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Did they that nukes?

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_03]: No but I think they were working on something similar yeah because we took their scientists to build a new.

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah I believe we took their scientists for project paper clip.

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah yeah yeah the guy that started NASA was a Warner Bond whatever.

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah maybe it would not be scientists.

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yep like like buddies with Hitler type scientists like and.

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah he's just American now.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_06]: And then created NASA of the great a.

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_03]: The great thing that we still have today but yeah airbrushed pictures for the public.

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't care whether anyone says and people like to argue about it but I always bring this up I do not believe we've been playing this on the moon in 1969.

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay so I think that we've been to the moon but I don't think.

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they showed it to us because the the.

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And and I don't like arguing about with people because.

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_03]: You try to show them like I look do this scientist or this astronaut got lifted up by court you can.

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_03]: You know like if you if you go back and like check like you can clearly see in the video that it's like that it's in our way.

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Like and why wasn't the flag blowing in the wind?

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_06]: That's the one I've seen that was just because of zero grabbing the way they were moving in it was.

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Rock we're that doesn't make sense there there are so many like random plot holes when it comes to that but doesn't make any sort of sense like the shadows don't make any sort of sense like the right.

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think I don't I don't think that we've I think we've been there I don't think they wanted us to see exactly what it is.

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_06]: How did they do a life stream from the moon was what I'm trying to figure they didn't have the satellite technology.

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, they made a phone call to the president from the moon and it was like on camera you could see him talking on the.

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah that didn't make any sort of sense that did not exist back in 1969 and in the fact that in 1972 they decided destroy all the technology.

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we can't go to the moon now it's 2024.

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_06]: For some reason they figured it out.

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_06]: In the 1960s and look how much smarter we are today look what we're doing right now and we've seen smarter I wouldn't necessarily say we are but I mean technology.

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you want to take no technological scale there's more technology in these smartphones that we have rather than what they took to the moon on that's fake.

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_06]: So they can't figure out how to get back to the moon but yet they can figure out all these yeah crazy things.

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, there is one reason why I like teeter back and forth about it is like the van Allen radiation bill you know.

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like how they get past it if we can't go past it and how did they get past it and then they didn't destroy no technology.

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_03]: They they didn't have it and I'm wrong and they didn't go to the moon or they can't they don't there's a reason why they can't go back like.

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe they didn't like what they found on the moon.

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, they do I have people yell at me about the moon being hollow and the thing is is I'm only going by what NASA said.

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_03]: They didn't come out and say oh it's hollow.

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_03]: But then again they did you know like.

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_03]: They're like oh I ring like a bell we put three seismographs on the surface.

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And when we crash something into it it rang like a bell for like an hour.

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's weird and it's in a perfect place we can't it's not only.

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I believe it's the only moon and our whole solar system that's title locked like that.

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm a person serving on that.

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it is.

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_06]: And others a lot of other moons especially around Saturn and Jupiter as a lot I think too yeah.

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_06]: I know they believe you're ropa I think that's one of Saturn's moons yeah you're up a so cool it.

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_03]: It just expanded I think there's life there I mean whether it be intelligent you know probably not but I do believe that there could be life there.

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_06]: I've heard that there are.

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Under the ice yeah there's a ocean and effort there are things under there that are super intelligent and at least like dolphins right they're you'll like.

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_06]: The best way to describe it like they're yields but they were very intelligent might they're telepathically communicate if teleintelligence.

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean.

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean dolphins aren't telepathic that we know of.

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_03]: But they're very smart yeah yeah they use.

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Echo location.

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Echo location sort of wells and bats and yeah.

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Strange how the certain species evolved completely differently but they use the same sort of I guess senses or whatever capabilities yeah.

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_03]: They're supposed to be.

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_03]: On a completely different spectrum but see that's I don't I don't think that we necessarily came from here because we're the only.

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Species on the whole planet that like our son is poisonous to basically.

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_03]: You know I mean that might be a little bit of an exaggeration but.

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know I guess I've seen some dogs get cancer but never skin cancer.

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_06]: I think a lot of the do the dudes with cancer that we have is self inflicted.

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_06]: I think it's a lot of the stuff that we put in our bodies we 100%.

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Honestly think it was designed that way but I'm.

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_06]: We had a 10 foil hat guy over here so.

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_03]: But see they I feel the same way like the the process you know there's America's the worst about it there's countries.

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_03]: That have made certain.

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Like food additives illegal.

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And we're still and there's a they have good reason to do so.

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_03]: And but we're still adding and yeah you could go through and read all the ingredients of your food but who wants to do that.

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Right and I just want to eat it.

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not trying to read it.

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't worry about it at this point because.

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_06]: I enjoy what I enjoy an already a pig eater so if I start trying to weed out certain things which I will say four years ago.

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_06]: I stop drinking.

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if I can drink these things.

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Pop soda whatever depending on what part of the country or industry they're soda it's a pop it's a coke are using it over there like somebody somebody that tries to quit smoking to help the cigarette.

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_03]: He just got the pop next to you.

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_06]: But now I gave that up I started counting calories I did a lot of protein stuff and I dropped down to a hundred ninety pounds and I was over two points.

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_06]: I dropped thirty pounds in a matter of two months.

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_03]: You look good buddy.

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Now I've racked that weight back up I'm back to being right around two twenty.

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm about to to eight or something.

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_06]: I wish I could go back to.

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_06]: What I used to be but then I looked too scrony.

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Well my lady makes it too easy to be happy.

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_06]: I just like food.

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_03]: And so we we live with her sister.

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Right and.

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_03]: You know it's a decent size house it's a nice house.

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And her sister is like a.

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Like a chef level cook and it is fantastic it is a wonderful thing.

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Because I love the cook.

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm pretty good at it you know when I'm cooking what I want to cook.

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And I never have to cook.

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's great.

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't do a lot of cooking here I'm like make myself something here or if my wife is not home one night.

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_06]: I will have to make dinner for us in the kid but usually it's not anything extravagant.

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Some of the things that I would like to cook no one here likes I've been wanting to make beef stew for a long time and no one here likes that.

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Beef stew?

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Beef stew is delicious.

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_06]: That's what I say but they don't want to.

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_03]: So you want to hear about.

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess it would be considered the.

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_03]: The kudagross is that how you say that kudagross.

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Kupagraw.

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Yep.

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Well we're here for right right.

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_03]: So.

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_03]: This happened.

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_03]: It was about.

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I'd say 10 years ago.

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I said I'm not I'm not going to date so it was before though.

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah actually it was um.

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just.

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_03]: What happened here was.

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_03]: You know I was building up.

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_03]: It would have been weird to go from the one.

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Do the other and then back to and then to the one again to the next one because it's.

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's all three experiences were.

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_03]: We're found is that the right is that the right word for found.

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_03]: So, uh, you know life changing.

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I'm not an atheist anymore.

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know really what that has to do.

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_03]: If one has anything to do with the other but I'm not, you know, I'm not Christian either but.

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_03]: You know I believe in and a higher power.

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Um so.

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_03]: It was like.

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it was like 10 30 at night and this happened and.

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Power County like a lot of stuff happened in Howard County we had a we had a UFO crash.

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_03]: What 16 years ago.

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Some might wrap yeah yeah it's 16 years ago because I was an organ.

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_03]: What happened.

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_03]: So I was headed to my mom's house.

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I was kind of broke at the time so I was barn a little money off of her.

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_03]: So I.

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Was on my way out there it was like 10 30 at night and of course I was by myself.

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm driving you know it's in the middle of the country the corn is up that that.

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_03]: That matters you know that's relevant to the story the corn was up.

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And I remember thinking to myself like oh yeah I got bright you know because I always had cars on a few.

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_03]: It's the kids understand this but we used to get cars and would not have bright.

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah they just wouldn't have bright.

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_03]: You turn them on and they wouldn't work or they just wouldn't it wouldn't matter you know you could leave them on driving.

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And the middle town nobody cared.

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_03]: So I remember thinking to myself like oh I got bright you know like I finally I had just bought this car.

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And I I flipped them on and as soon as I flipped them on I see something.

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_03]: You know about four foot tall.

[00:45:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Step out of the corn field.

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Ah my brights his eyes and it's eyes.

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_03]: They they glowed red like I did you know it was.

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And but as I drove by it we you know I make eye contact with this thing you know I only saw it for.

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_03]: You know I was going 45 mile an hour you know it was standing still so I only saw it for a second or two.

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_03]: But as it jumped stepped out of the corn field and steam that I was driving by it jumped back into the corn field.

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_03]: You know so it was like oh.

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh no somebody you know there's a car I could I could take you to the exact spot.

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Do you have nothing good could have been a person okay so I've spent.

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh a while trying to.

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Deep bunk myself I guess is that.

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_03]: That's the way I put it.

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I've done the same thing for 17 years right you know like there's no way what I saw was what I saw like that's nuts.

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_03]: You know there's no way even though I believe in all these things like you know because you hear you hear people talk about it like.

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_03]: How come you get to have all these experiences but I don't get to have any you know I don't believe in aliens you know they took I don't get to see UFOs and.

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And and grace walking through corn fields like why I don't these Avenue it's it's weird that all that these experiences even happen I guess.

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh but.

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Human eyes don't glow red you know that right.

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh there's there's not a light like a human I won't glow red unless it's in a picture.

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm gonna say like I mean photos like your polaroid photo people's lives are always reflective red a picture picture can make your eyes glow red but that's it.

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh lights won't reflect red off for human and you know like I tried to come into myself like that was a was that a rabbit raccoon standing up like give it off.

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean it's not really large for a toll was that it couldn't have been a deer you know deer don't jump back into the corn fields.

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_03]: If you scare a deer while you're driving by it's running out in front of you.

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Now no one in here can see the sop is a listen me but.

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Did it have this appearance.

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_03]: He more or less I mean I I hate it I hate to sound cliche man but it was a great dude it was exactly.

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_03]: How have you ever seen.

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a move it's it's like a found footage it's called the McFierce in documentary.

[00:48:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I think I think that's what it was called.

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I haven't heard of it okay so not a lot of people have seen it but a guy.

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Made a a hoax movie after like modeled after that found footage and it looks it's very convincing actually I'm not saying it's real one or the other but there's two different movies.

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And you can tell which one seems real on which one doesn't but there's there's you know for four three and a half four foot tall.

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Gray aliens you know they're a little on there little onesies I don't know what else to call it you know skin tight didn't didn't look like there was a sex there didn't.

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know when I got to my mom's I was scared to get out of the car.

[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And I mean you know me I don't scare easily you know like it's it takes a lot to scare me and I was scared to get out of the car and go because it was only a three minute drive from my mom's house where this happened.

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_03]: But this day I mean she still lives in the same spot it it was terrifying actually you know and I always always told people like yeah I'm going to be if I see an alien you know on that guy that's like you come on a duck me.

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And an anal probe is a small price to pay for disclosure.

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_06]: So you're 100% certain if it was anything you think it was a great because I believe that there are other things that looks similar to that.

[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay so no I don't I know it looked like a gray it could have zated particular I don't know it could I know that there's supposedly several species that look about the same.

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Like even the tall whites still they just look like a tall version of the grace apparently so.

[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_06]: What I was going to go to like avoiding the whole alien concept I mean it's still be considered an alien into the extent but.

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_06]: More of the cryptid realm a lot of people have seen.

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_06]: What they call.

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_06]: And you feel remember the thing I think it's from the 60s or 70s the dover demon.

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_03]: That one sounds familiar.

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_06]: That's to me it always sounded like the same thing that had like a bulbous head had longer.

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_06]: And I think it's like a thingers and arms and everything else.

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_06]: It was almost like a crawler like that what they see in a crawling well if you listen to the stories of these parallel crawlers and a lot of people.

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know like the rake.

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_06]: The rake is actually a creepy pasta but it's based off of yeah escape like the the parallel crawler stories.

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_03]: In videos that look pretty convincing.

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_06]: If you go into the actual original lore of the when to go.

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_06]: The bastardized versions with the antlers and everything else those are not what the when to go actually is a when to go is a very pale.

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Humanoid.

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Almost I always come to like think of almost like a rotting corpse type of a person almost like a zombie but not a zombie.

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_06]: But they ate the author and the author lips off because of that this sensational hunger.

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_06]: But that was what the Native American lore was for these when to go they were like tall skinny.

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Like very spindly looking spiritual things they weren't necessarily like full on right.

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Humans or whatever but they were like a spirit version of a human because they had to I think in order to become one they had to kill someone and their family well I might have been confused now with like a whole novel who wore for this can order.

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Well I think they I think the Native American is no a lot more than we can credit for all right 100% agree with them they've been here a lot longer than we have so.

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_06]: You know but even with other sightings like I have.

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Other episodes out there were talk with people and they've seen somewhere looking things like they see these small humanoidish looking.

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_06]: In it is and they almost sound like gray aliens but at the same time they're not because there's little things different about because even like what's up here on the wall right obviously the Kentucky goblins were.

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Considered almost an alien thing.

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_06]: When you originally hear the story which is basically.

[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_06]: They'd saw this craft and they saw this.

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_06]: The house was attacked by these little.

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Things like little.

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_06]: The little.

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah and then we turn into the little Kentucky goblin thing it's remember when I got the goblin tattoo.

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Not particularly it was in your kitchen.

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Hello the drum.

[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I got that too.

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I got I got both.

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_03]: But that's what that kind of reminds me of.

[00:53:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_06]: You know all of those were drawn by a local person.

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_03]: So I like them.

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_03]: They're awesome.

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_03]: No I don't want to pretend that I know what it was.

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Well I you know I have no idea.

[00:54:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I could have been one of several different things.

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm just if it's an alien to me like if it's a gray wine the hell's he walking out of a corner field right.

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_03]: There was there is a house like right there.

[00:54:33] [SPEAKER_06]: So if you ever thought about going into the house and asking people to take everything anything strange every day of my life.

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's I don't know if you know this I'm going to assume you do but.

[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Most people don't want to talk about the weird stuff weird stuff yeah I'm like.

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I've been you know because I'm not going to make I'm not going to lie to people and be like hey I've never seen anything.

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_03]: You know when I have no my even if it does make me look a little weird.

[00:55:09] [SPEAKER_03]: You know I don't mind so.

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_06]: People listening and I don't want to take Mike's time and turn into something about myself but.

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_06]: When I had my weird experience with the.

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Up right walking can I hang down the road.

[00:55:27] [SPEAKER_06]: You guys are one of the first people I had said anything because I think we had like band practice like the next day after it happened.

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I do remember.

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm like I have no idea what that all I was.

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_06]: And there's people that live there now they just build a brand new house.

[00:55:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Like a year and a half ago right in the same exact spot where this happens so I'm like.

[00:55:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm interesting you want to go knock on their door really hey check it out.

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_03]: That's all dog man.

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to knock on the door.

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_06]: You don't turn into dogs or wolf or anything do you.

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_03]: See I think that's where the Lord and where wolf comes from because I believe like the Michigan dog man I think they're real.

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think a lot of that stuff is Sasquat.

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's a lot of people who are not going to be there.

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_06]: I believe people are seeing something 100% because I cannot tell someone they didn't see something because I saw something that makes zero sense to me.

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Right and yes some of some of the people like.

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Some of the stories are going to be you know.

[00:56:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Out there and false and made up and you know, but.

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_03]: For every person that's making it up another one isn't so it's.

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_03]: It's it's just hard you know it.

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Especially somebody like me who doesn't.

[00:56:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't really hold back.

[00:56:59] [SPEAKER_03]: When it comes to talking about it.

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't understand the point of why people make up the stories in general because.

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_06]: I understand some people might do it because they think it's funny.

[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_06]: But at the same time it's like.

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_06]: What do you get out of it?

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not really funny when there's actual victims like and I'm not saying I'm one because.

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I just as far as I know, I've just seen some weird things but I do believe a reduction as real.

[00:57:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe not all of it, but a lot of it I do believe is real because I do I have sleep paralysis I can sleep paralysis to and.

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you've ever had it.

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I have it's it's terrifying.

[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_06]: I get it actually kind of often I didn't know what it was up until recently.

[00:57:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, 100% off. Let's start doing this show.

[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_06]: I found out more about it but like I always used to wake up and I couldn't move, but I would just always write it off as some still sleep.

[00:57:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Did you ever see.

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Shout out people around you.

[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_06]: I may be mentioned this on an episode or two, but.

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_06]: The one night I couldn't move and I thought like I was choking and I looked up and above me was what I'd said.

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_06]: I didn't know what this was at the time. I always said it was a cowboy, but I'm thinking that was happening.

[00:58:14] [SPEAKER_03]: The cowboy choking out.

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, there's a, I've had it.

[00:58:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Shadow we figure above me.

[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_03]: That's the hat man and.

[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_06]: That's what they call it.

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's what I said on the hat man episode like I actually think I had a lot of experience.

[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_06]: I was 19 or 20 years old. I still live in it. My parents house and I woke up a little light.

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_06]: My career was burning.

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_06]: I was trying to gas for I couldn't breathe in above me with this cowboy choking me on.

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone kind of laughed at me when I told them that like, sorry it is going to flood it.

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Nowadays like when you search traumatic very traumatic now when you hear about it like that's hat man.

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_06]: I was like, that helps out me and then you find out more about it. Like I wonder if that's what happened to me.

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I've, uh, I've woke up to four shadow people like stand and around me.

[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's terrifying every time. Like and, and you know, I'll try to say like my spouse is named you know, model ladies name or something.

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_03]: It seems like I don't think it's happened but maybe like one time in the last couple years.

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_03]: But before that, it was like at least once a month.

[00:59:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And it wasn't just I couldn't move. It was I felt like there was people around me, like shadow people you know because you can't ever make a form.

[00:59:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I've seen, I've seen people, I say people and I, you know, because for lack of a better term, I've seen, I guess there is a better term entities come through my walls people when I was enslaved for houses.

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_03]: That's I still get hung up on the sleep for all this thing is like are we actually still sleeping or they say that, uh, like your, your bodies awake but your mind still and REM sleep or your mind's awake but your body still and REM sleep or something like that.

[01:00:15] [SPEAKER_06]: It just it's strange to me because even dreams to an extent, depending on how you interpret dreams.

[01:00:23] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't remember a lot of my dreams, but there's certain things about dreams that really stick out like today.

[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_06]: When I woke up this morning, like I was having and I would consider it basically ain't nightmare.

[01:00:34] [SPEAKER_06]: But I remember stuff like that. I don't remember everything.

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_06]: But for whatever reason and the dream that I had today, I'm not going to bring it up because pretty traumatic for me.

[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Like, why do you dream of things like, why does that stuff stick out and sometimes people say that the things that your dream is actually something that you're experiencing in another life.

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Like your mind is traveled to your other self in a different reality.

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Like a multiverse type aspect. I was like, I don't know if I believe in all that asked to it like, but I believe in a multiverse.

[01:01:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know about the dream thing is weird because I mean, what about lucid dreaming?

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Does that mean that you're going to a different universe and that's a little bit of life while you're sleeping.

[01:01:27] [SPEAKER_06]: I say you have to project an astral travel through the astral plane or whatever.

[01:01:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it has, I think you do project an astral projection possibly. And I don't know.

[01:01:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think some, I do believe in a multiverse definitely and I do think there's more than one version of you of me, you know, everybody.

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And my opinion, and I know, I mean, it's pretty much proven.

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know, I think they theoretically can prove it, but I don't know if they've ever been able to scientifically.

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Or if it, I believe it.

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I believe in a lot of weird things like we could be in a simulation.

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_06]: I kind of lean that way more than I do some of the other because to me it does seem very simulated.

[01:02:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, things are weird.

[01:02:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Especially when you watch, which I try not to but when you see things.

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_06]: When it comes to politics, what I heard in like how the world's turning into like man, this is so like simulate.

[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_06]: I think South Park, you know, hit it on the head years ago with a whole earth was a reality show.

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_06]: I feel like that was 100% what has actually happened to us.

[01:02:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I definitely believe we're sort of experiment.

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_06]: We are the fishbowl here for someone's entertainment.

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I definitely believe that.

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, it's weird.

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I, I don't get it because I feel like we could, you know, contribute to whatever is going on.

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I don't know if there's so many of us and 99.99.

[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_03]: For us, or in the dark.

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And don't know what's going on.

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, and that's all we want really is just to know what's going on.

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we can take a lot of abuse.

[01:03:37] [SPEAKER_03]: We take it every day.

[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_06]: I know, say most of us do that every day for our, we wake up and the nine to five.

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, most people are like very many look forward to getting up and doing the whole routine that we do.

[01:03:50] [SPEAKER_06]: But that's part of the design that we've got for life now.

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Right. And it's not even about bettering your species anymore.

[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just about lying in certain people's pockets.

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, and I do love my job like I don't want to take away from that because I do, I do enjoy what I do.

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_03]: But I would enjoy it much better if I could do it for fun and not have to worry about.

[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, the way the way society was designed.

[01:04:22] [SPEAKER_06]: People have asked me about this show and if this was something that I would love to do full time.

[01:04:28] [SPEAKER_06]: If I could have got to a point where this became my actual job.

[01:04:33] [SPEAKER_06]: And I said no because you just referred to it as a job.

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_06]: And for me, this is something that I enjoy doing.

[01:04:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Right. And the moment it becomes something that I'm dependent upon to sustain my life.

[01:04:53] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't want that.

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Right. I don't want to have to rely on something to be my.

[01:05:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Or don't quote job like this is just what I do. This is something that I do for fun. I go to my job. I have a family. I do all that other stuff too. This is just my little.

[01:05:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Outlet. Yeah, it's how you express yourself man. Right.

[01:05:16] [SPEAKER_06]: I used to do band stuff. We used to do band stuff together.

[01:05:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Actually, but it's gotten to the point where difficult.

[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_06]: It's a lot easier for me to do what I do now because I don't have to rely on anyone else.

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And I would love to be in a band again.

[01:05:35] [SPEAKER_06]: I do miss that. I do, but get the same time. I also.

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_06]: I was doing another show earlier this year and most of the last year with my friend and it was all about band stuff.

[01:05:49] [SPEAKER_06]: And it doesn't matter what genre of music you play or whatever you're doing. It's all the same things like they're all the same struggles.

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_06]: And it's true to me the reward of doing it is not as beneficial as what I thought it was like there's playing live shows. There's always the best there were a lot more stress.

[01:06:13] [SPEAKER_03]: It is very stressful.

[01:06:17] [SPEAKER_03]: So especially when when drugs are involved or

[01:06:21] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, and I know they

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_03]: really weren't so much

[01:06:28] [SPEAKER_03]: in your case, but I've seen where drugs get involved in a band.

[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, I don't even want to say it destroyed the band because you know we had other things happen.

[01:06:46] [SPEAKER_03]: That will worse than that. But it's hard to practice when you're worried about other things, you know.

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_03]: But in the.

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Now though, I was I would love to do it.

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I've drummers are hard to come by.

[01:07:06] [SPEAKER_03]: There it is.

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I've got I've still got like equipment.

[01:07:14] [SPEAKER_06]: The equipment I wouldn't have the stuff that I'm using now is all my equipment from band stuff.

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Right. Yeah, but it's awesome. You got to you got to decked out in here.

[01:07:25] [SPEAKER_06]: I've had to sit in around for years. I figured may as well utilize it.

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_06]: We can probably wrap this one up. We've been going on for over an hour.

[01:07:38] [SPEAKER_03]: But thank you for having me.

[01:07:41] [SPEAKER_03]: No, thank you. You are the always enjoy hanging out with me.

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_06]: You are my first in studio guest.

[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_06]: I've had a.

[01:07:51] [SPEAKER_06]: It has been here on the episode one recording the garage and told him was here in the basement.

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_06]: And now is on the basement. And now this is the first actual live in studio guest for the.

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Have been that I've converted into a recording studio.

[01:08:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I listen to just the other day.

[01:08:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Was it the native American guy.

[01:08:15] [SPEAKER_03]: That you had on. I feel like he was native American.

[01:08:19] [SPEAKER_03]: But he was cool. I like him.

[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure what she's got. What was he talking about?

[01:08:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember already the story about.

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_06]: I am almost 130 episodes deep right now. So I get.

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_06]: It gets hard to keep track of which episodes are why I go by the episode number or the guest name or something like that.

[01:08:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember the names.

[01:08:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, but I had fun.

[01:08:47] [SPEAKER_03]: It's nice to talk about it with people with open minds.

[01:08:53] [SPEAKER_06]: I appreciate you come on here and talking about it. We've talked about it all fair before and.

[01:08:59] [SPEAKER_06]: I said.

[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_06]: We've been we've known each other for almost 25 years at this point.

[01:09:05] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I would say about.

[01:09:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And shy maybe.

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I think it's.

[01:09:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Right around the year 2000s. What I may.

[01:09:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, sounds about right.

[01:09:16] [SPEAKER_03]: We had a lot of fun.

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_03]: We had lots of fun growing up.

[01:09:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, my history.

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_06]: That's all.

[01:09:27] [SPEAKER_06]: It's always good seeing you.

[01:09:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And I love you, buddy.

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Love you too, man.

[01:09:34] [SPEAKER_06]: On that note.

[01:09:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Once they thanks for listening.

[01:09:39] [SPEAKER_06]: And I'll catch you on the next one. Thank you.

[01:09:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Good night.

[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_06]: That's the show everyone.

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[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_06]: The connections we make. Stay curious to open minded.

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[01:10:12] [SPEAKER_06]: And until next time, keep questioning. Keep seeking and give exploring the unknown.

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[01:10:36] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh world, shirk.

[01:10:39] [SPEAKER_07]: Conspiracy's unfold like a story in a book.

[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_07]: Me and control. Trying to keep us by the world before going to use the whole mind.

[01:10:53] [SPEAKER_07]: In this three they want us to know.

[01:10:57] [SPEAKER_07]: The secrets they hide.

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_07]: So they want to show.

[01:11:01] [SPEAKER_07]: The little society.

[01:11:03] [SPEAKER_07]: They keep us in chains.

[01:11:08] [SPEAKER_07]: But then in time, it's time to break the rains.

[01:11:31] [SPEAKER_07]: We have control. Trying to keep us blind.

[01:11:34] [SPEAKER_07]: But I won't be full. Gonna use my own mind.

[01:11:40] [SPEAKER_07]: In this three they want us to know.

[01:11:44] [SPEAKER_07]: The secrets they hide. So they want to show.

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_07]: The little society. They keep us in chains.

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_07]: But then in time, it's time to break the rains.