Ep. 127: Alien Carvings

[00:00:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And I just turned around and I pulled ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with that.

[00:00:12] [SPEAKER_03]: They had proper seat at the coal. It's one of the things that hurt me away, the quickest.

[00:00:21] [SPEAKER_00]: When I turned my headlights on, it turned and looked at us.

[00:00:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And one of the things I remember the most were the eyes were going to risk.

[00:00:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I see an worm of light. It is just circling. These steps like it is waiting for me.

[00:00:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And it begins to tell them that he saw you off the road.

[00:00:45] [SPEAKER_04]: They're basically like what he taught. That's seven foot up on a tree, peaking around it.

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's where I saw the top of a muzzle. Nose and the eyes.

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_04]: As soon as I made my contact with this thing, it don't like death.

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to Tinfoil Tales. I'm your host, Brandon Wright.

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_01]: On tonight's episode we're going to be joined by my guest, Mike.

[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Mike reached out to me recently about coming on to the show to talk a little bit about some of the artifacts that they've been finding down in Mexico and South America areas.

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_01]: A little alien type carbines or whatever they've been digging out of the ground.

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Some of these buried caves and everything else. So it's definitely something that really peaked my interest.

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Could be that old Indiana Jones Tomb Raider type vibe. So definitely want to get him on here and talk with him a little bit about it.

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[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to go ahead now and bring Mike on. Really looking forward to talking with him.

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[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Like take this time to welcome my guests and I'm Mike. Thanks for coming on here to talk to me.

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, thanks for having me.

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself?

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm a business owner from Washington State.

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I've been interested in theology and different history things that have happened over the years.

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_02]: It's always been a fascination. I watched the history channel a lot and stuff like that.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_02]: So what got me into this was a good friend of mine. He collects rocks and minerals as well.

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And so do I. I've collected crystals. My wife cuts ovals. So we were no stranger to the rock and mineral scene and go into the shows.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And I good friend of mine went down to Tucson, Jam, and he grabbed a couple pieces that were carvings that you wanted to show me.

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And when he got back, he showed them to me and said that there was an archaeologist that claimed that he dug these out of the ground.

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And that they were 10,000 years old. I laughed really hard out of my, I didn't believe it at all.

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And I actually bet in money that I could prove it wrong. You know, I thought I could call a couple people and verify really easy that these items were, you know, modern fakes.

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, and so I started on that process and five years later now I've done an extensive amount of research on this topic.

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And met with over 30 different families with about five different places in Mexico that they found these pieces and documented these pieces from primarily the two places that I've researched and wrote books on our tool of hill dalgo and away those deal East go.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And there are about six hours of work from each other.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And that was really what started me as I didn't know that there was, you know, I'd never seen anything like this first of all.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_02]: My ass, my buddy when he showed me is, who's doing this? You know, this is pretty good work I said and I collected carvings and whatnot for years and never seen anything like this.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And so yeah, here we are now I've got three books and we're prepping to launch our first documentary on the topic.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And my still passionately research it. I know that you know just like anything with money like Rolex or Louis Vuitton handbags there's going to be fakes and there's going to be real ones just like the NASKA mummies, you know, they claim that they were all fake because there was a fake one.

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_02]: But now that I just saw it here a couple of days ago that the United States Congress is actually a part of a research group now that is studying these bodies.

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's really interesting to see that unfold kind of in parallel to this with what we're researching because the beings and the things that we're seeing are very, very similar if not the same entity type.

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess I don't know, none, none humanoid biological specimen. This is the proper name for it.

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I know there's a very lucrative marker when it comes to things like this and as you can kind of mention there are a lot of fakes out there like replicas and everything.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so it's almost buyer beware sometimes and you get into things like this because if you don't know what you're looking for it's you might be paying a lot of money for something that someone just made and their garage or something.

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep, 100% I have I've bought and fakes. I know people who have bought and fakes the great part is is owning these pieces and seeing the differences and over the years you start to make comparisons and see similarities and styles and you know here these lackluster stories that never amount to anything of oh we found another cave you know that was always what we were all we found a cave or oh we did this and never have any pictures.

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean these things if I was to pull something like this out of the ground, I would have my camera phone out like you know flashing as many as I could because I would be so astonished. So the fact that you know a lot of these guys didn't have anything to back their claims was really I didn't think it was real you know and and then.

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I actually made a claim against somebody down there and and called him a liar because he said that he had footage and he refused to show me on a piece that was really important because.

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_02]: We found that there was glass in it and we didn't really buy that they had glass at this point in time if it's real and.

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_02]: So we I call them out on social media and so he goes and rents a bunch of equipment some GPRs geo radars and goes to where they'd filmed a documentary.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And they made it a documentary on this from Gen 6 production Steve Quail produced it to about two years ago and it it's about four and a half hours long of just digging and going over some of the finds that they found in these places.

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_02]: But again, it's just holes in the ground and wasn't enough to truly make me a believer knowing that someone could go out there and probably bury that you know and.

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And then all of a sudden effort called this guy out they they'd gotten this equipment went on to the the the corn farmers property which is a piece of property that butts up right the back of it to the world heritage site of tool.

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_02]: They'll dog or tool of being where there's the flat top pyramid they have the Atlantean statues on the top they're quite famous probably seen them I would imagine but.

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_02]: This is literally about 1500 meters that they start doing these scans on the ground on this private property and they found some anomalies and started digging and inevitably this and it's this is fully documents on our website you can you can watch this.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_02]: You know them digging in a 14 foot hole and then all of a sudden this whole wall caves in and a whole opens up and it's a cave system that has petroglyphs and things I mean this is at the 16 foot dig level and.

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_02]: For for me that was really a point where I stepped back and said whoa.

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_02]: That this there's no way that these guys carved out this bedrock and buried the 16 feet in the ground.

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_02]: That's it to pull out a few pieces like this and they pull out like hundreds of pieces so that the costs to bury this and to do this project would be.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean 50 grand I would guess at least or more to it took them six months to unbury this I mean every day they would bring new pictures and videos I know on my social media as you can follow and see that.

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And we've been posting this hundreds of videos that at over the last five years of the progress of these and now they found three cave systems total.

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And just full of the same type of symbology and carvings that we find on these pieces that we questioned for a long time.

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have the no off hand like when you're when they find these things or whatever with like where they originated from like how old they are and like what tribes or what people they were.

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so we we've gotten carbon dates.

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Scott Waltar he's the host of America on our he did a lot of the work with Mark Russell who's an archaeologist Mark Russell's the archaeologist that talked to my friend down there in Tucson.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And those guys did a show back in 2019 where they carbon dated a bunch of these pieces and found dates from from 10 to 20 thousand years ago.

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And these were consistently coming up but it was it was an adhesive that they were testing which is the glue that they used to put the inlaze and you know some of the pieces are mosaic so there's lots of little stones put together.

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And so that was what they were testing well Scott Waltar had a pipe that had resin in it and he's like well there's got to be organic material in that and so he sent it off to the lab.

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And waits around for like six months finally he contacts the owner of the lab saying what what's up with my test I call on this and call on this.

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And and a few days later the the guy calls him back and and says I got your results for you don't ever send anything like this to my lab ever again.

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah Scott never got renewed for America on our likely because of the show that he produced with Mark on this and.

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_02]: This topic seems to definitely be covered up at the years you know 10 to 20 thousand kind of correlates with the younger dry ass second little ice age thing that we went through and can see a lot of dios and species which is an interesting concept and you know relation to this and what it's showing.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Make sure you wonder you know as far as the tribes you know old Mac and my and go back 5,000 years but I guess that's being pushed now.

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And Peru there's a pyramid complex where they found some leather I believe it was dating around 8,000 years ago.

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_02]: But as far as any tribes this is 5,000 years before the the documents in my and much older than the old Mac.

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And as far as you know if you go to like go back Lee Tepi or Karen Tepi and Turkey you'll find dates that are consistent with this 13,000 years and it looks like they had a fairly advanced stone working civilization because of the pillars and the way the carvings are erected there.

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Which definitely plays into a logic that this could be a reality as well.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Now how did you come about like with this like how did you get involved into I know you kind of mentioned you've been interested in it but like how did you actually like fall into this whole type of thing.

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah well I mean I like I said I wanted to prove my buddy wrong because I just thought he was I mean chasing a very tail here you know I said if this was on.

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_02]: If this was real this would be all over the news this is the biggest findings that's sliced bread you know that this would have to be on the news and and I just didn't believe it so I think you know when I worked with Linda Moldao.

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_02]: When I started working with Scott and talking to some of these people and and and then they started doing the documentary that's what really sunk me in is just chasing this truth I guess.

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I started out with disbelief and now I just gosh I'm almost sold on it you know I mean there's there's parts of it I'm I would I would definitely bet that there's a truth to this story and and that you know if they are mass producing these pieces in some ways.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It's definitely replicating something that's real and and that's that the petroglyphs are proof of that in my point you know or the the old resin and the bones and stuff like that that have been carbon dated as well.

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm also have pieces that we tested for age that have the adhesive and that also have ceramic cores are they are fastened the mosaic tiles to the ceramics and so like pieces like that are giving us two dates and some of those are within a hundred years of each other.

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Strange.

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of just from some of the things I've looked at and which you'd had some here whatever now's watching that like.

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_01]: It's very interesting and I've been a big fan of age daily in Ziversense that show started what 15 something years ago at this point and.

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_01]: It's always got me interested in the whole aspect to it but at the same time it's like.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how if we were to believe that ancient civilization made the pyramids or they made some of these thing like.

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_01]: The baby took a bibliotech here whatever it is where the.

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Some of the things are so precisely cut that we couldn't even do with like modern.

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Souls.

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_01]: How do you wrap your brain around something like that in the aspect of if they did this.

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And we can't even do it with the technology that we have today like how do you explain that and they're like oh just took them a long time and likes.

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Science explains it but it makes it even more confusing is some more unbelievable.

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_01]: In that sense.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_02]: But especially the pyramids and the foundation work that's underneath them that's like just.

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_02]: It's mind boggling really how much weight that that foundation supports during earthquakes and somehow it's still there you know.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_01]: They wouldn't have never understood earthquakes you wouldn't think and how to calculate for all that plus how to hold up all the way because each one of those megalithic blocks is.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's a bunch of tons like so there's so much weight not to mention the way it was designed for all the chambers and everything else through there.

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_01]: How to I'm not saying it's not possible that humans did it but it's like.

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_01]: That was some very high tech engineering they had going on there.

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Because of assumptions but at least based off the right concepts I mean some of it's spot on with what you read in in the British Museum but nonetheless that story and those those ananarchy beings.

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Translate into this stuff in Mexico heavily what we find the same symbology.

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_02]: The same beings as well as the same beings in Egypt we found you know both and and Osiris orus.

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Declanth we found raw tons of these depictions they all seeing eyes everywhere on these things and so it's really interesting to see the correlation between.

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Egypt and and you know Sumeria or E. Mexico like that the how these all could be connected is bizarre other than we have the pyramids in these locations as well not so much in the Sumerian area but they had the ziggarots and you know in the in the tablets and stuff it talks about those and being like some sort of.

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_02]: You know possibly portals or or or space ports and so that that type of logic in terms of an advanced civilization at that time does exist in our ancient tax even the Bible.

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_02]: If you look at the Old Testament it's not detailed very heavily but there's definitely a tale of some sort of uprising that was extinguished based on the flood stories and that translates to gilgamesh as well in the epic there.

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like there's always a flood story throughout different civilizations there's always talk of a different type of scenario and.

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_01]: To look at it not from a religious aspect from like more of scientific aspect if you think that the world.

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_01]: The ice age or whatever was ending and the waters were melt like the polar capture whatever they were melting so the waters are rising you I wonder if some of those flood stories were not from something to do with that like.

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah the waters come up from that because it would had to been.

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_01]: A global blood.

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes that's the only thing I could think about is like or comment fragments yeah you know there's a story and these these pieces from a way those depict.

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_02]: A solar system and there's an extra planet in there being hit often I mean it depicts Jupiter with the lines it depicts Saturn with the rings.

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And all the correct numbers from each other in an order.

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And what's interesting is that they they show this planet we're in the and an hockey tablets there talks about this planet Tiamat which was was destroyed by marbdok and he was a son of Anki so it's really an interesting thing to see.

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_02]: That possibly this planet could have been destroyed and that could be why we have our moon and some of the.

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_02]: So that could very will be a reaction of that to same with Venus and then completely gasped out atmosphere something obviously happened.

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So that could could be what caused this and it would correlate with the Anonaki tax and these pieces definitely correlate with those as well.

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I think like for me.

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_01]: When it comes to the story of the Anonaki and everything else to me it sounds more plausible than.

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Basic evolution I know that my it might make it right it might make some people.

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Roller eyes or anything like that but at the same time it's like if you look at us in the grand scheme of.

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Evolution we're only been here a microscopic amount of time and look how much we've evolved it's such a small amount of time compared to everything else.

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_01]: It's almost as if we were manufactured to be this way.

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And we inherit this earth.

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes like we're the apex somehow but but we have been forever like there's been lots you know dinosaurs and all these other species that we see in the fossil record.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Same with other you know like the different species of a humble.

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_02]: A more rectist and and the neanderthals and all these different things that have evolved.

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_02]: What's interesting with the pieces that we're finding is we see the DNA strand pretty commonly there's actually a symbol in Egypt that's the the.

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Same looking stranded DNA almost and and we see them with with weird like surgery type scenes a new bus and thought standing over these these beds with with alien looking beings sometimes were different animals and head like.

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It's almost as if they were manufacturing like you said or doing this to do this genetic manipulation and we're kind of a the product and result like like if you were to have a farm and you were to plant a bunch of seeds and you found the one fruit that was the juiciest in the sweetest so you take her and you take her seeds and get rid of all the other ones and give her the land well that might be why we inherit the earth.

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I know some people think we're we're just one of these.

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I don't want to say seed factories or whatever like they think that we've been engineered for this plan and they think these other beings go to other planets too did the same thing like we're just all part of this mass.

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what they the proper term would be like they just they're going around like manufacturing.

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Different civilizations based off from their own selves.

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we just want to be the one here for earth.

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and and this this this whole thing I think comes up in in the Anonaki town is where they manufacture the Adam of the called it and it took the the gal 750 years to.

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_02]: get the genetic stabilized and so it's interesting to see that you know maybe that was in you know some of these.

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Religious texts it says, you know that there was a uprising of things that weren't good and then you know we we came along and that was like the divine intervention of saving us maybe from ourselves and so that might be you know we may be you were created as slaves species like it says in the Anonaki townlets but.

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_02]: There may have actually been some sort of divine intervention that gave us freedom in terms of at least not being you know stuck in the minds all the time like there's some.

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_02]: governing and and what's interesting with that is how the Kings List works in Sumeria you have this 250,000 year old Kings List with all these kings that rained over for all these years.

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And and then all of a sudden it stops well why did it stop maybe that was the divine intervention I mean some people think it's Jesus or whoever you believe in I'm not going to try to get religious here but but nonetheless this this intervention of.

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Change it seems to have occurred and 250,000 years ago is when we see the white chromosome.

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Mutate and that mutation has been been ran in terms of the odds of it happening again and this is the one that gave us all of our intelligence and changed the size of our.

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_02]: All these things happen in relation to this to this white chromosome mutation and so the chances of it happening again were like triple impossible odds you know five to the 500 or whatever it is I don't know what the number is but.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But it was a ridiculous number so it's you know when you see the genetic manipulation on these pieces it would make like you say a lot of sense that that story is rather than.

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Random evolution of these crazy odd things, you know.

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just to me.

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Scientifically like evolution to explain us just doesn't seem I feel like we've evolved way too fast compared everything else.

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah yeah our DNA is changing and rapidly migrating faster than any other species on the planet.

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Now and just to the like our intelligence from being able to we're literally having a conversation across the country here 1000 miles apart and.

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_01]: We've just evolved that technology within the last say under here we've been able to do stuff like this.

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Just think from like.

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Be able to travel through and to space now we can go to the moon or we can like all these other things that we supposedly can do.

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just crazy to think as if you look at every other type of species on this planet there nothing like us.

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah yeah the DNA is super similar in many cases even though the the pig and the the rats are very close to our DNA more so than even I believe even a lot of monkeys which is kind of crazy.

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_02]: You know you think we look mostly like these guys why why wouldn't our DNA be as close to the chimp as it is to these others and so that's.

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's interesting you know at the minimum we we definitely don't understand half of it.

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_01]: That's why we use fetal pigs and school when we had to do like dice sections or whatever because they were so close with human.

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep yep.

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_01]: So I've always thought that was funny too that everyone everyone says we've evolved from primates in the great apes or whatever.

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah the pig is very similar to us.

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's strange.

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah it is what's interesting too with these pieces that we're seeing is you know you've got all these UFOs and they do cattle.

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Mutalations and abduction and this is the common story across the map for for a long time I mean for decades if not hundreds of years I can't I'm not sure exactly how far back it goes but I know into the 70s.

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Gosh you know so so you see on these pieces.

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of the stuff that you would see in the Sumerio and then Egypt where they worship the cow and the cow with the special headpiece on and and that sort of thing but we also see some of the pieces where there.

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_02]: There's like literally like tractor beams coming down from the ships to cows.

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And so we we wonder if this this grace or this being maybe closely related to the cow kind of like we're closely related to the pig in terms of are they harvesting the genetics or something of that nature but it seems as if they had knowledge of this when they made these pieces which is.

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Who blows my mind.

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Now something like that to me.

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Or cows native to the area or they've something that were like brought over because that would be something that you'd have to really think about because if the cows weren't native to here how are they making carbons of the cow.

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah no and I would imagine.

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah it's a good point but I am I'm pretty positive that they are I mean I know the ox is native to Mexico for sure I mean I can I can put that as a proof and that's very very similar to a cow.

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_02]: At least so yeah I'm not sure how to look that out.

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah so I'm not familiar with it or I thought I like.

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember if horses were native to like North America if they were only brought over here.

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_02]: That I don't think they were yeah I'm pretty sure they were brought over.

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes because you out west you have wild horses and everything like the stimes they are running around but.

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep they were never I think they're just.

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_01]: For all over here loose yeah they were they got loose and they bred and they went off on their own.

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I know we had bison which they almost oh yeah they've almost become extinct because of.

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Over hunting and everything else in the early 1900s, 1900s but.

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Now that's just something I was thinking about when you mentioned that I was like I wonder.

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_01]: There was already cattle here prior to it because otherwise.

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_01]: It would be yeah.

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_01]: It'd be one of those things where I'd kind of he hasn't been about.

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I've done this with every gemstone that we found I've made sure and I've got a gemologist that I work with and so we go through all these gems and in microscope.

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I tried to dissect where they came from and you know the mines that possibly produced it and with the bandings and the different saturations and all these different things you can.

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_02]: You can kind of do that as a deterrent and we haven't found anything out of consistent outside of you know stuff from South America like the Guatemala and stuff and you know Jade and things so there's definitely trade routes between but.

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_02]: We also see the pyramids all the way through South America so it's likely that they had different settlements or things if they were the pyramid builders.

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the other thing I always like to talk about is.

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_01]: It's strange that you have.

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Thousands of miles separating ocean separating yet there was pyramids in Egypt there's pyramids in South America that just pyramids in China.

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_01]: These ancient civilizations are all building pyramids how did they learn and why were like if they're spread out there's no communication and no knowledge or whatever it's weird that they all evolved to build the same type of things.

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah communication is a really big one I think that.

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_02]: You know we have wireless communication and all this wireless things there's pieces that we found that show depictions of pyramids with beams coming out the point at the top.

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_02]: We found numerous pyramids with intricate carvings of all kinds of different things similar to the bend bend stones found in Egypt.

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_02]: With the same you know double winged or the double.

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I think it's the double winged with the sun disk and whatnot.

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's you know and the other thing too that you mentioned you know how there's this separation that was actually one of the things the fact that those pyramids kind of align similarly to Orion's belt.

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_02]: That you see there.

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_02]: You know in the pyramid of the sun in Mexico and then the great pyramid there in Egypt or the complex there but those three pyramids sit in that same type of formation which.

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean could be an accident you know some people like I think I heard Flint Tribble will say that it was because that those were the brightest stars in the sky at the time or something of that nature but.

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_02]: But still to align your your large pyramids to that.

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Especially if they are claiming that they're home this is why for what you know that's an extensive amount of survey and work that had to go into construct that like that let alone in the middle of the desert or the jungle you know.

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah there's no one would want to tackle that project today I'll tell you that.

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the one thing I've always grown up as a kid I always wanted to be we mentioned early Indiana John we want to be an archaeologist I want to go out there and.

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_01]: find all these things and do all these crazy things but like early.

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_01]: My exploration is out here on a computer at the moment so I don't get to live out.

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a coward archaeologist yeah I don't get to live out that adventure but I've always been fascinated by it so it's when you reach out to him I was like yeah definitely want to.

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll stop like this because this has always been one of my fascination even as a kid is like I've just always been fascinated with type this type of stuff.

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Same now very much so and I'm especially with Egypt you know we go to the book stores when I was four and five years old and my mom would say what kind of books she take me over the kid section and.

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I would ask for Egypt books like I want to see the symbols I want to see the artifacts I asked what I wanted to see when I was a little kid.

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I was so fascinated by it so to to be in this position now completely left you will I mean my businesses have nothing to do with this at all.

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_02]: My family and friends I think them dearly for for sticking with me because there's such a left turn but you know it's kind of a blessing too because people know me and and I've.

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I know established what people understand so when I come to them with something like this it's definitely not what they would expect from me you know.

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_01]: For me it's I've always been the word a person in my family and friends or whatever so that's what I do now is not really outside the realm of.

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I've normal for me but it's not.

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I just never bought into it I guess I just never bought into aliens and and that type of thing so for me to.

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Chase this like this definitely was out of the norm.

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm I'm used to it you know got to have thick skin if you want to do something different and that's something what music and you know I'm a musician I play the synthesizer.

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I realized quickly with the synthesizer that this was not a.

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_02]: You know very at the time it wasn't a very popular instrument now now it's actually.

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_02]: It is really popular but but at the time so it's just it's you know got to chase your dreams and go with what you feel and I think a lot of people maybe don't do that because they're afraid of that you know.

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you said you've written a couple books do you would you like to talk a little bit about them.

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah absolutely so we've documented two different places primarily which is tool hill doggo and a way those deal east go.

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I wrote a book for for each place you know a categorizes there their full size eight and half by eleven hardbacks full of pictures.

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a professional photographer and so I did all the photography work these you know macro shots 60 megapixel the best quality I could possibly give with the best glass and.

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I really wanted to show these pieces from what they were and so we've catalogued and wrote up part of it of information we published our carbon dates in in some of the books as well as the petroglyphs and the digs and all of that sort of thing.

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And and so yeah the first two books there are way los and and tool up and then I wrote a third book called an anaki the alien Atlantis may so American connection.

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And it wasn't at first when we you know we've seen some Egyptian themed pieces but we really didn't know what to make of it and then we started to see a lot of the anaki stuff coming out of tool and things that even resembled.

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Like Greek mythology Poseidon and Zeus type of thing I mean very very interesting.

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Things to be seeing expressed in a much different way than what we see the the Greeks are the Romans to express it but but still the same same story with with the same type of logic and so I really wanted to paint that connection because as you go all over the the world here you find this this type of connection.

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And and you find it you know in Hawaii with the Tiki or the the dogon people in Africa.

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, so it's it's really an interesting thing to see that this may have been a global spanning species or or you know group of entities whatever they are I don't know if it's even a physical entity at this point or if they're light beings it's hard to say because the pieces sometimes it shows them with legs.

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes it shows them with like angel wings other times it shows them with no body they have like a serpent like they're like they're a snake or a serpent.

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Or an eel in the water and then and a lot of aquatic depictions as well with gills and like I said the tried it's and stuff that you would see for Poseidon or talks of Atlantis.

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_02]: So I definitely find these connections very very heavily in this area.

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And like you know might be right.

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I've wondered even like with ancient Egypt.

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_01]: They had a lot of different depictions of animal headed humanoid's.

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_01]: You had your noobuses you had a not very what the one with the bird looking head was called.

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_01]: The yeah and when you go back into like the Samarion stuff a lot of their depictions I don't know if they had.

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Like the animal as but they had a lot like the really tall bearded winged the pictures too.

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_02]: They did have the the mixture and the talk of it a lot to scorpions with human heads and all kinds of different things like ishtar had sticks or something scorpions that guarded her gate.

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And they had the heads of man and they had the the cow with the wings and like the man head.

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah so it's common but you also see that in native America as well with like a Lakota tribe and different tribes you hear about the the eagle headed man or the eagle headed man that walked around.

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And then and then you hear about the feathered serpent in cats aquatil in Mexico and down in South America and a feathered serpent we got to really ask yourself what that means and when we see these pieces as I was just explaining some of them have angel looking wings and a serpent tail.

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And see you know feathered serpent you know could this be related to that as well and and we see a lot of depictions of cats aquatil on these pieces as well so we think it's definitely a same.

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I've story.

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I've seen stuff about that linking it to being a dragon.

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah and I'm not sure if dragon were a real thing or not I'm not even sure that a lot of things I talk about on the shore really not but.

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_01]: It'll give you one to chew on.

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_01]: That's so we're sorry now you're finally going to say like but it's always something has always been interesting like I'd like to think to regregants we pretty cool.

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah they very well could be to start also say that they found a corpse or a fossilized remains of an entire dragon over in China and this is the last year I believe if you Google you'll find it it's absolutely breathtaking to see didn't hear it on the news but it's a verified verified dig.

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_02]: So that being said if you look at the catacus the symbol there for alchemy and pharmacy that's everywhere it's got the staff with the two serpents going up and the two wings at the top.

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Well that that symbol might very well be the two sons of god and Genesis it talks about and and they talk about the sons of god coming and having their way with the the woman of man and so we we believe that there's a possibility that those sons of god are actually the sons of the primordial dragon and if you go into the story of Mike on Satan.

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_02]: You know Michael pushes the red dragon Satan from heaven with God's permission well in the anonaki beliefs the primordial dragon is the creator of all and so.

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_02]: You hear primordials dragon there and then you go to like the Hebrew language and look up with the with the Adam cod moan and that's the primordial man.

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And so it's interesting they call Jesus the Adam cod moan because he's the primordial man so is it because he was the you know son of a primordial dragon and it bad his soul into a man.

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And then died and then that now that's a fixed genetic together when he ascended and that's what the Adam cod moan is or what they refer to as the Adam cod moan.

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And so it's really interesting to see that trickle down through and how much influence like by Moses, how the serpent's fight you know over him and and same with the garden of Eden and the fact they call it a garden going back to my earlier metaphor there with with you know finding the good seeds but that the fact they call it a garden is very interesting too that they would use that to call it for humans you know.

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I think I've mentioned it on episode just one before this one I mentioned it a few other times but.

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_01]: If you listen to the Bible.

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_01]: God punish the serpent by taking away making him crawl on his belly or whatever so if you listen to that.

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_01]: It almost makes it sound as if they were able to walk and if they're of this.

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I almost go back to the whole alien concept again because it's like almost sounds like a reptilian the depiction almost sounds like a reptilian.

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Inflown scene.

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Eve the apple and everything else but there's also other things now like.

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Eve is not necessarily out on the first wife like there was little of them like here's it.

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_01]: He started going down that rabbit hole when it comes to like the Bible there's so much things you can pick apart to where he can relate to other aspects to other things but.

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_01]: It's endless.

[00:41:46] Yeah.

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's the beauty of stories and and and the imagination too and thinking about things like.

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_02]: You know I often wonder if we just know the truth like if if man was given the truth at his inception.

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_02]: What that would have done and and would we even care and would we take for granted all of this truth and what I guarantee our conversation wouldn't be happening right now and.

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_02]: We wouldn't enjoy watching H&E aliens and we you know what I mean so so this great mystery they talk about it in in the Pistice Sophia as well as like the Lakota tribe.

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_02]: They have this thing called the great mystery and what's interesting with the Lakota is they have the white buff of a calf woman.

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is also something that spans to the mind as well and this this could very well be the the ice is you know figure or divine womb that speaks of in many ancient texts that that gave birth to all these species on this planet and you got to ask yourself like we have three trillion or some crazy number of species including the plants and insects.

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_02]: That's right.

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Why don't we see any new ones being born.

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I was always something that I'd asked my son like where's the new species have like is there a place to see that happen and it never happens no one's ever witnessed it and that's kind of bizarre when we have so many.

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_02]: How does that work you know and and the logic is in the Pistice Sophia says that they took the Sofia away and that's how they stopped the fallen from succeeding as they didn't the beginning.

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So likely the fallen abused this womb or this genetic manipulation and then once the divine womb was taken away they couldn't create any new species on this planet and that's likely why we're in this stalemate of species that were in.

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Or I shouldn't say it likely but but if the stories are true then that would be I guess likely.

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm never thought about the fact that there's not new species because you always hear about them discovering species but there's fossil records.

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you don't ever think about the fact that they're not new they're new to us but they're not a brand new species.

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_01]: So not in every other way.

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not a lot of odds to not have you know with that many especially in the plant world and stuff and what's crazy is we have all these geneticists that do you know genetic.

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess you could call it genetic manipulation with CRISPR with plant grafting and genetic splicing and all this different stuff that we do.

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But but you don't ever create a new species.

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I know that.

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I know that they've.

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_01]: It was back in the 90s they cloned as sheep and almost had been cloned.

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they've never publicly talked about cloning anything else but I wondered if they've never tried to clone.

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Something else that's already been extinct.

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I know those there's talk about like what the mammoth or something.

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah people heavily invested.

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I know people who have invested in this project that's supposed to do that by I think it's 2027 or something like that.

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I saw I watched something before about it, but I don't know.

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like if they're talking about it publicly they probably already done it behind closed doors.

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah yeah exactly and yeah I agree.

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_01]: But if they're doing stuff like that to me it's almost like playing God so at some point.

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_01]: If without going down that whole religious rabbit hole, but it's back in the old biblical times of God punished them for some of the things that I've been doing.

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I think they were doing them waiting for the punishment to come back if that was all true because.

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like what the world does nowadays seems a little bit worse from what they're doing back in the old days.

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Punishments are really interesting thing in the Bible and I take this very, very seriously because.

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I researched these people called the cathar and they were very, very Christian,

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_02]: and I was told people that believed in Jesus and the saving and all this stuff.

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yet in the, I think it was like the 11 to the 1300s they were completely eradicated man woman in child.

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_02]: No no one was spared they were all burned at the stake for being heretics because they believed that there was two gods in the Bible.

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Not just one but the god of the old testament was evil and the god in the new testament was actually the real god.

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And so the god in the old testament was actually Satan after the fall and he was pushed and fell into his own universe.

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_02]: So he wanted to de-throw and God and take over but he wasn't there, so God gave him essentially his own universe by allowing that push to occur.

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And so that's why you know it's a fallen universe or fallen, you know all these things and why in the beginning he says, well let there be light.

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_02]: That was him asking for the light to come into this dark universe that he had fell into but was actually the devil speaking and he claimed to be God.

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_02]: That's why Zeus is the god of gods likely and he fell from this guy.

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_02]: He probably was Satan is what we're thinking as a possibility based on all these stories and the consistencies of you know the enki and low.

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Eagle versus the serpent debackled that all these cultures have been in and you see all these serpent temples and flags that have the eagle on their eyes.

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_02]: There's deep roots to that, you know.

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_01]: If you notice in the old testament compared to the new testament I've mentioned this before too.

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_01]: God was very like ruthless in the old testament like he was a very different.

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_01]: He was not a loving god. He was a very much all-white-be-all-out type of god like no screw around.

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And then the new testament, oh he gives you his son and like it's his now on the lovey and everything else.

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a complete like 180 from the very binge full god that jealous God should be honest of the testament to the new testament.

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_01]: So it is almost like they're completely different.

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_02]: That's why I think the cap are people might actually be right. The cap are people believed in the book of Enoch and a lot of Enoch and teachings and that book of Enoch is really important.

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not part of the canicle Bible but it's absolutely something that's mentioned all over in the canicle Bible, which is I think a relatively important factor to its importance and its reality of being true and or at least of real broken and I think they don't accept it because they don't know who the author is.

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_02]: But nonetheless, those people if they were right, you know the whole reason that these pieces might be kept a secret could be that war that has been going on spiritually for thousands of years that they talk about and that might be why those cap are people were wiped out.

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Just because they didn't agree with the history that was being narrated. It wasn't the truth it was being narrated and that's why we find so many things that we just don't we don't have the trust in our own history at this point because it's being rewritten or mangled you know you look at.

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Like the native Americans and stuff and what they did just in the 1890s they took in there's a sacred dance that the Lakota tribe would do called the Sundance and they made it.

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Badgerly illegal thing to perform you could not do this and back then it wasn't just you're going to go to jail for the weekend you know what was a serious thing your tribe was violating and would be.

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Probably put to death I mean I'm not going to say that for sure but back then it was a different story with the whole thing with reservations how they were.

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_02]: We were just not just aggregating and doing all this but the fact that the United States federal government had enough knowledge to know that fasting and that this sacred dance needed to be stopped for whatever purpose.

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_02]: There's obviously more to the story than what they're letting us believe because what would be their reasoning it's a dance you know.

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah that's very strange that being that concerned about a dance.

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and this is on Wikipedia research this like is this the Lakota tribe is really interesting I I found out another rabbit hole with native American history and if you look at religions like Mormonism for instance they they believe that.

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_02]: The Jesus came to the American as at one point which is you know hard to buy in terms but unless maybe this this whole story is connected and that's that's what they're talking about we've even conceptualized that it's possible to anky and and Ketsu Kualko.

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Was the previous version of Jesus because in the Bible says Jesus descended down from heaven what was his name before was he always Jesus up there or did he take the name Jesus when he was born as a human and that's what we have to ask is who was he before and and the jovis witness believe that he was Michael before.

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And if that's the case then it could be the Michael is actually anky and and that's why the two sons of God and he and and little are the serpents are crawling up that staff of the catacus trying to manipulate Moses and control humans or whatever you know.

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's it's a lot to think about when he could help him have a little like it.

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I try not to get or not do this yeah I try not to go on that pathway too much but it is one of those things I kind of think about here in there just because.

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_01]: There's so much out there and then if you start looking at things and you start putting things together like.

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_01]: It almost sounds plausible like it makes more sense than what the cover story is.

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I came up on all it I spent 25 plus 30 years of where I just I was agnostic I didn't have a belief I didn't know what to believe and I didn't didn't believe in any of it.

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't just couldn't justify it you know and and yeah it's really it's something that.

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I just can't even believe I'm sitting here talking to you about that type of stuff you know I never thought I would be someone to discuss that you know.

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Well if there's anything else you'd like to talk about with comes to your like the upcoming documentary and anything else we can do that now and then we can probably wrap this one because we're going on for about an hour.

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah absolutely.

[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_02]: As far as the documentary on September 11 on our YouTube channel at Alien Carvings will have our documentary it's free for everybody.

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_02]: The the families down there allowed us to get you know un-sensored dig videos and to publish all of this with all the petroglyphs the tunnels you know the how they do things different digs out up on the hillside just to show you know how the stuff's being found and yeah.

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Go from there but yeah stay stay tuned or our YouTube channel or subscribe or whatnot.

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll make sure to not glue the link in the show notes or anyone out there that way they can just go to it because.

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking at my release schedule and you said September 11 this is that would actually be right around the time this becomes out so.

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh cool yeah.

[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_01]: So I should kind of work itself all around the same time frame so if you're listening to this episode now it's probably getting ready to come out or it just came out some make sure to go to.

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_01]: The Alien Carvings YouTube channel and watch it well Mike it's been a pleasure talking with you.

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah you as well.

[00:53:39] [SPEAKER_01]: That's great for us tonight yeah definitely appreciate it if you ever come across anything interesting again or anything like that just make sure to reach out to me and I'll make sure to have you back on here.

[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate it I will do all right well you have a good night.

[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_02]: You too bye bye.

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[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Conspiracy's unfold like a story in a book.

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Me and control trying to keep us by the world before gonna use the moonlight in this three they want us to know the secrets they hide to they want to show.