Ep. 125: Sasha - The Wolf People

[00:00:03] and I just turned around and I pulled ass out of there.

[00:00:07] I was done, I wasn't dealing with that.

[00:00:12] They had proper see-up the call is one of the things

[00:00:15] that hurt me away the quickest.

[00:00:21] When I turned my headlights on, it turned and looked at us.

[00:00:25] And one of the things I remember the most were the eyes were going to risk.

[00:00:30] I see an worm of light, it is just circling.

[00:00:36] These steps like it is waiting for me.

[00:00:41] And it begins to tell them that he saw you off low.

[00:00:45] They're basically like what he taught you.

[00:00:50] That's seven foot up on a tree, peaking around it.

[00:00:54] And that's where I saw the top of the muzzle.

[00:00:56] Those in the eyes.

[00:00:58] As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, it felt like death.

[00:01:06] Welcome back to Tinfoil Tales, I'm your host Brandon Wright.

[00:01:09] Tonight we're going to be joined by my guest Cody.

[00:01:11] Cody has had experiences with what he says is a female upright walking canine.

[00:01:17] He does not like to use the word dog man, which I try not to myself sometimes.

[00:01:22] But I've definitely looked forward to talking with him.

[00:01:24] I saw his story on Facebook here recently and I reached out to him.

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[00:02:32] Again, we've been talking a little bit back and forth and I wanted to get him on here.

[00:02:36] Give him a chance to share his experience and definitely something that's a little different than the most.

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[00:02:50] I like to take this time of bulk on my guest tonight, Cody.

[00:02:52] Thanks for coming on here and talking to me.

[00:02:54] No problem.

[00:02:56] Would you like to let the audience know a little bit about

[00:02:58] yourself?

[00:03:00] So, a lot of people don't believe me when I first tell them.

[00:03:05] But my name is Cody laughing wolf.

[00:03:07] It was the name given to me by my grandmother when I was born.

[00:03:12] And that's the name I prefer to go by.

[00:03:14] I don't really go by my state issue, what I call a slave name.

[00:03:18] Anyways, I was raised in Northeastern Oregon where I still currently live.

[00:03:25] And where my encounter happened.

[00:03:30] I'm 36 years old now and the original encounter happened when I was around 10.

[00:03:40] My grandma was Native American.

[00:03:43] She was what they call a bone lady, which is kind of like a female,

[00:03:47] a little shaman or a witch doctor.

[00:03:50] She would read bones and tell people their fortunes or what their babies were going to be

[00:03:58] or help with baby bursts and whatnot.

[00:04:05] And one thing that was never done to me that I feel like was done to everybody else.

[00:04:11] Was that everybody was told that there's no such thing as monsters?

[00:04:16] That there's, there's really nothing out there that can hurt me or what can go bump in the night.

[00:04:22] I was never told that.

[00:04:24] I was always told to, you know, be home before the street lights come on and

[00:04:32] and stay in the house after dark because there's things out there that are worse than people.

[00:04:42] And you know, I was raised like that pretty much my whole life because I was raised by my grandmother.

[00:04:49] Well, like I said earlier, you know, being raised by her, we spent most of our time during the summer when I was in,

[00:04:58] you know, in school and growing up, going camping, which was, you know,

[00:05:05] we have national forests on three sides of us pretty much and we're up right in the corner

[00:05:12] or again. So we're just out in the sticks.

[00:05:17] Like, we have, in this county, we have one of our biggest tourist attractions is Bigfoot.

[00:05:26] Because we have a lot of sightings of Bigfoot around the area and around the lake.

[00:05:33] We also have other things like we have a lake monster that we call walley.

[00:05:41] And, you know, there's other things that we have here too that a lot of people don't speak about because,

[00:05:48] you know, if you're not native in this area, you know, of the native culture because this is native land.

[00:05:58] From my descent, you know, my grandma, she was a full blood native.

[00:06:03] Her husband was, was a Norseman, you know, his grandma was from Scandinavia and, you know,

[00:06:13] that's where I get my bloodline. I'm pretty much a model of Native American and Norse mythology,

[00:06:21] all mixed into one person. And I was never cut off from that.

[00:06:26] My grandma never cut me off from those because she believed that it was important that I knew what was out in the world.

[00:06:37] So getting to my encounter, when we were out camping one year, I think I was about 10.

[00:06:43] And when we go camping as soon as I had breakfast and everything and had, you know, what little chores I had to do around the camp done, I was set loose.

[00:06:55] So I took off, you know, running around in buckskins or shorts or whatever I was running around in.

[00:07:02] And what I remember most was, I was about a mile and a half from camp and this is up in the, in the Booneys.

[00:07:13] I was really, really deep in the woods where my grandma preferred to camp because there was no people out there to bother.

[00:07:23] Well, I run through this meadow and something caught my eye.

[00:07:30] I don't remember if it was movement or a shadow or what.

[00:07:34] But I stopped and I turned and that's when I spotted what I call Sasha.

[00:07:44] And Sasha is, I don't like call them dog men because a, I've heard people that have been counted number four that.

[00:07:54] Have been quote unquote told that these preachers feel like it's an insult because.

[00:08:02] One point they eat dogs they'll eat canons.

[00:08:09] My grandma called them both people.

[00:08:13] My grandma told me that the wolf people stay in an area deep in the woods which I know where that is, but I don't tell people.

[00:08:26] To stay away from that area because it's their territory and they're very territory or creatures.

[00:08:32] But the males more so than the females.

[00:08:39] Back to my encounter when I looked over.

[00:08:44] Standing at the edge of the meadow at the edge of the trees with one hand on a tree.

[00:08:50] Was a female and I've always been fearless when it comes to animals.

[00:09:00] Nothing scares me. I've been face to face with bears.

[00:09:04] Anything you can think of it doesn't scare me because nine times out of ten things like that are more scared of me than I am them.

[00:09:15] So I took a few steps closer and.

[00:09:21] When I did that, she made, I don't know if you know what this is, but I call the shoffing noise.

[00:09:28] It's like like a hoof like a half a bark.

[00:09:33] She made a couple noises like that.

[00:09:37] Drop down to all fours and low-dough into the into the woods which you know I could have followed but.

[00:09:48] My curiosity had turned to.

[00:09:54] You know a need for understanding and.

[00:09:58] Honestly a little bit of fear at that point because at that point my brain was just blown.

[00:10:06] Because I'd never seen anything stand up like that except for in movies.

[00:10:12] And mind you, I've seen almost every where wolf.

[00:10:18] I had a lot of time to tell you that there's a lot of time to tell you that there is to be helped because after this point.

[00:10:25] It became an obsession.

[00:10:29] Because I had no idea what I had seen.

[00:10:33] So I ran back to my grandma and at this point is when she told me about the wolf people and you know to avoid them.

[00:10:44] Pretty much at all costs.

[00:10:47] You know because it they could be a threat.

[00:10:54] Well understanding that I stayed a little closer to camp the rest of that day.

[00:11:00] But I was always uneasy the rest of that day I was very uneasy like I was being watched.

[00:11:08] Well end up going to sleep and in that morning I had walking up early it was still.

[00:11:14] You know around six or seven in the morning and I had to go out to relieve myself.

[00:11:22] Which you know being the person I am I just walked out into the brush away from camp to relieve myself.

[00:11:33] Well as I was standing there doing my business I had like a tingling up my spine.

[00:11:44] And I you know put myself away and slowly turned around and standing right behind me.

[00:11:55] And I'm talking like not like 15 feet.

[00:11:58] I'm talking like a foot and a half maybe two feet behind me was this six foot tall female.

[00:12:11] Dog man or wolf person or whatever you want to call him right now.

[00:12:17] And she was just staring at me and.

[00:12:22] Now mind you at this point my life I had never had a haircut.

[00:12:28] So my hair went down to about midway down my back and it was always in a break unless I was sleeping which I would undo my hair.

[00:12:37] Well with my hair on done it was kind of the dish level you know just woke up look.

[00:12:43] Sasha reached out, Sasha's what I call her by the way.

[00:12:48] Uh, Sasha reached out took my hair.

[00:12:54] In between her thumb and finger and looked at it before sniffing it.

[00:13:02] And that's when I heard my grandma say don't move.

[00:13:07] At that point, Sasha turned looked at my grandma looked back at me let go of my hair drop down to all fours.

[00:13:18] And ran off into the brush only stopping long enough to look back at the both of us before leave it.

[00:13:28] That just sealed it like she became one of the most potent memories in my mind.

[00:13:38] And for the rest of that summer that camping trip at least, I was never outside without being able to feel like I was watched.

[00:13:50] Now this happened when I was about 10 and.

[00:13:56] It wasn't long after that I had.

[00:14:01] Some issues and was and was locked up for a while and I didn't get out to.

[00:14:08] Maybe 2001, 2002.

[00:14:13] For the rest of that time I spent taking care of my grandma.

[00:14:18] And up until she passed away in 2011.

[00:14:23] Now when my grandma passed away it broke me mentally and my mother came and took me away.

[00:14:34] Well through the next couple of years we ended up moving all the way to Utah, where I ended up pretty much getting stuck.

[00:14:44] Until 2020 when COVID hit us real bad and things started shutting down.

[00:14:54] We me in my roommate and her old man and their two kids had ended up.

[00:15:00] Being a victim out of our house in that real short window when you could be evicted before they replaced that.

[00:15:09] And I was like, hey, where you couldn't be evicted because of COVID.

[00:15:13] Well when we got evicted, I decided that it was best even though I didn't want to leave my best friend.

[00:15:22] I knew that it would be better for them as a family if I left and went back home.

[00:15:31] So I got on the first bus and got myself here back to the county.

[00:15:41] But a year after I got back, I ended up taking a day trip up with a friend of mine to near the place where the original encounter happened.

[00:15:53] And nothing really exciting happened. There was no, you know, there wasn't another encounter or anything.

[00:16:00] It was just pretty much me showing things that I knew off.

[00:16:08] But when I got back, you know, a few months went by and I had heard strange things around my living area.

[00:16:19] And I didn't really think anything of it because at that time, I lived in a little trailer park.

[00:16:25] Well, I ended up moving out of trailer park and into a house right on the house, skirts of the town that I lived, which is just a little bit bigger than the town,

[00:16:38] which I was raised in, which is only, you know, 30 miles from here.

[00:16:46] It was at that point that I started noticing more strange things.

[00:16:55] I have, you know, I have just a little single wide trailer and if it's quiet, I can hear what's going on outside, just as well as if I was outside myself because my walls aren't very thick.

[00:17:14] But I chalked a bunch of it up to, you know, not knowing my surroundings.

[00:17:22] This map and just kind of ignoring it until the past year when I started spending more time outside.

[00:17:35] And when I started noticing her again.

[00:17:42] And it confused me so bad because, a, I'm still not sure how she was able to track me down even though I've heard these things contract people for miles.

[00:18:01] I'm confused about why, why it's me and why she seemed to have picked me.

[00:18:09] Because everything that I've heard says that most females and packs are very well protected and stay around dense to tend to juvenile.

[00:18:28] Also, I somewhat unknowingly because I have really bad ADHD so I have to be crafty like that's part of my main personality is I'm crafty.

[00:18:43] Well, I would find either unusually straight sticks or sticks that caught my attention or other type things like rocks or bones or just demosal random things either on my porch or close to my front porch or back porch.

[00:19:10] So I would just, you know, absolutely pick them up and bring them in the house to make things out of them and then I would hang these things outside because as I've told a couple people, I'm kind of naturally a witching kind of secluded hermit of a person.

[00:19:32] But I take my my knowledge and, and my craft and I will make things like bone chimes or you know, hanging, hanging artwork or whatnot and just put it outside.

[00:19:52] But if it goes missing, it doesn't raise my eyebrows because in my head I feel like if they need it more than I did than it must have been meant for them.

[00:20:05] Well, this past year I ended up making a set of bone chimes and not long after I put them out which is you know been a couple three months ago now when I set them out my bone chimes went missing.

[00:20:37] I was in the same area and also works with me at the at our work we work at the same place so it's you know it's beneficial for us to be really good friends because I don't have a car.

[00:20:52] I don't like to drive. He has a car and because we work on the same shifts we just carpool.

[00:21:02] Well, when my bone chimes went missing, I remembered that he had told me a story once that he had heard something outside.

[00:21:14] And it confused him because he thought he heard a growl and then he heard what sounds like wooden chimes planking together.

[00:21:26] Well, it didn't click for me until I had talked to another friend of mine about my bone chimes coming up missing.

[00:21:36] And she told me that she probably saw show probably took them and that's when it dawned on me that wood chimes and bone chimes sound almost identical to somebody who isn't around them all the time.

[00:21:56] And at that point is when I realized that okay there's more to this than what I've been thinking about.

[00:22:12] And maybe it's time I get some information and that's when I started contacting a couple of these different dogman groups and talking to some of these other experts.

[00:22:26] Honestly, this is a first podcast I've been on mostly because I'm just naturally distrust for people.

[00:22:36] I don't I'm not looking for a paycheck.

[00:22:41] I'm not looking for recognition.

[00:22:44] Yeah, you can know my name but I'm not going to tell you exactly where I'm at because I care more about Sasha than I do 90% of anybody that's listening to this.

[00:22:56] I I totally understand that you, you know, that there are people out there that only want these preachers benefit.

[00:23:07] But that also says to me that there's people out here who are either looking for a paycheck or looking for a weapon.

[00:23:16] And that's not me I want most of all what I want is for Sasha to be safe and to understand why Sasha is here like I didn't ask for this.

[00:23:30] I wasn't looking for anything like this.

[00:23:35] But now that I know she's here, it's obvious and I want to do everything I can to understand her more than anything.

[00:23:49] Because I don't want her to leave like you know some people like oh what am I going to do I just want the same go away I don't want her to go away if she's here she's here for a reason.

[00:24:03] And that's exactly what I believe.

[00:24:08] One minor point to all this I guess you call it like an update about.

[00:24:18] About the same time my bone shine is what missing.

[00:24:23] It was pretty hot and I had left my back door open and fall in the sleep on my bed which is right by my back door.

[00:24:33] I woke up to my dog, growling and pressing herself against me because my dog Lacey is a coward she doesn't she doesn't deal well with confrontation she'd rather just run.

[00:24:49] At that point I woke up and I looked at my door and my bedside lamp was just enough light to illuminate my door.

[00:25:00] And I saw what I can only describe as like if you've ever seen a rat who's hands.

[00:25:10] That's exactly what these creatures hands look like except on a colossal scale.

[00:25:18] And one of her hands was gripped on my door frame.

[00:25:25] Well I sleep with you know a pretty heavy revolver sit right by my bed and I grabbed it and you know not being fully aware of you know what the intentions of this encounter were.

[00:25:43] I pulled the hammer back and I said loudly do not come in my house you're not welcome in here and at that point the hand let go and I believe she left.

[00:26:01] And I didn't hear her for a couple of weeks.

[00:26:05] But you know after I had some conversations with people.

[00:26:10] I've started leaving out gifts of you know small trinkets and stones and raw chicken because I have an abundance of chicken in my freezer but I don't eat chicken because I have this weird phobia about cooking it in my own home.

[00:26:26] So I just leave it outside for Sasha and she's been taking it and the sounds and vocalizations and whatnot have just skyrocketed in the past couple months so.

[00:26:44] That's about everything up to now and a lot of people asked me when's last time you had an encounter honestly Sasha was here last night like within the last 12 hours I've heard her outside almost constantly from sundown to sundown.

[00:27:08] And you know I've been outside a couple of times with my dog.

[00:27:13] I take her outside and I'll sit in the chair wait for me done with her business I've seen Sasha outside.

[00:27:22] Just watching.

[00:27:24] She doesn't really act aggressive.

[00:27:28] She doesn't try to get close to me at all.

[00:27:31] But she does watch me and she does vocalize to make sure I know that she's there.

[00:27:39] And from that that's about it other than my dog still being a coward in the running.

[00:27:47] But yeah that's it.

[00:27:50] Do you happen to and all a lot of people ask this question to me so I'm going to ask you.

[00:27:58] Right. Have you tried to capture any sort of evidence of her like video or photos or anything?

[00:28:07] That's really good question about a month and a half ago I bought just a, you know just a.

[00:28:17] You're running the milk cheap infrared trail cam and had my neighbor help me put it on my roof by my bedroom.

[00:28:27] And when I did that.

[00:28:31] And this is something I've been told is that there these creatures are they like what they like and they don't like what they don't like and if they don't like something they'll usually destroy it.

[00:28:47] Well, let me just say that I got it up and I had active and I went to bed that night and the next morning I found my trail cam.

[00:28:55] Looking like somebody had picked it up and squeezed it and smashed it on my front porch, which is all the way across the house from where I originally set it up.

[00:29:08] And the only thing I can figure is that she jumped up on the roof and grabbed it from behind and smashed it.

[00:29:17] Because she is not one to be photographed. She's extremely camera shy and every time I've tried to pull out my camera she's even growled at me.

[00:29:32] Or just disappear.

[00:29:35] I've always found it strange when I hear others talk about even not so much with dog men or upright walking canons or sask watch or anything.

[00:29:48] Other really to the extent, but.

[00:29:52] They always seem to know what a camera is and how do they destroy them or avoid them or I've always questioned like how do they know.

[00:30:04] How would they know what those things are that see that's like me for a while too until I talked with the lady from the UK and she believes that.

[00:30:15] These creatures may be you know she's she doesn't really understand the little supernatural aspect of it and even though I have a greater knowledge, I do not believe that there.

[00:30:31] Soly is supernatural creature I believe they may have more connection to the spirit world or what not.

[00:30:38] But what she told me is that these creatures are more intelligent than we give them.

[00:30:44] Then we give them credit for just because they can't they don't speak to us with their mouths doesn't mean they're not intelligent and something else that kind of hit me was.

[00:31:00] I don't know what they're talking about but I was watching Star Wars episode one and there's a quote in there.

[00:31:08] When Obi-Wan asks, why gun jing says, well this creature can't be very smart.

[00:31:17] Talking about jar jar beings and quite on jing says the ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent.

[00:31:26] And that spokesman greatly because this woman believes that the main way these creatures communicate is, are you okay what's going on sorry my dog are you fine.

[00:31:40] Did you drink your bath?

[00:31:41] Okay, calm down. She believes these creatures speak telepathically through what she calls mind speak and it's more like maybe a short garbled sentence or don't lick my phone.

[00:32:01] Or maybe images the things that I get mostly are images into my head.

[00:32:09] But like I said before, I have really bad ADHD and sometimes that kind of stuff gets pushed aside and I forget about it.

[00:32:18] I'm trying to think like I haven't really heard too many encounters from anyone else that I've ever talked about females for the most part. It's always been like a male.

[00:32:31] Well, they're usually more aggressive for whatever and everyone relates that to the males. What made this stand out to you that it was female how could you tell the difference so it was a female from that.

[00:32:43] That's also really good question because other people have asked me that too because they're like well how did you know? Well here's the big thing for me.

[00:32:54] I thought that.

[00:32:59] The big thing for me was when I saw her on the edge of the neto standing there looking at me, she had breasts. She has you know they're not large. They're not you know like a big blub she was woman. They're just she's got like a big cut breasts.

[00:33:22] And that's the thing that differentiated her from say a male dog man because I've seen.

[00:33:34] You know, I've heard hundreds of encounters of males.

[00:33:38] I've heard people talk about yeah this thing was you know more well and down than me and it you know it's kind of shocking.

[00:33:48] I've heard a couple encounters with females. There's a lady I think she's in Missouri who has a few with you know witnesses a few times a female that she calls star fire.

[00:34:09] And she says that they're just they're skinnier. They're more lanky. They move different and they don't stink.

[00:34:20] Something that I've you know that I've listened to on countless times is that male dog men have an odor there. You know you get that feeling of dread that kind of a primal.

[00:34:37] That primal feeling of I shouldn't be here. I need to run and then they get hit with this overwhelming stiff excuse me.

[00:34:49] The stench of like a wet dog and rotting meat.

[00:34:57] Sasha doesn't smell like that. If I can compare excuse me up ahead.

[00:35:05] If I can compare her scent to anything have you ever smelled like a fruit tree in bloom.

[00:35:15] Yes.

[00:35:16] That's exactly what she smells like. She smells like almost exactly like a pear tree that has fruit on it.

[00:35:25] I actually had a it's ironic image that I had a pear tree out back and we had it cut down last year because bees loved it.

[00:35:34] It's so it is a I never I'm not a fan of pairs, but I know exactly what you're referring to and you say that's so.

[00:35:47] That's interesting. I haven't really heard too many people ever talk about.

[00:35:52] It smells like I have with like sask watching everything but you know, both people that ever talk about dog men or whatever they don't ever really drop into like the whole.

[00:36:02] I feel like they're encountered so quick and they usually from a distance you don't really get the sense of smell you don't get the sense of interaction with them like you hear with some people talk about big foot.

[00:36:12] So this one is for me a little bit different than the average one because again it's female you don't ever hear too many about females.

[00:36:20] And you can relate it with other things like you have the sense of the smell and you have some other things to it so it's kind of.

[00:36:28] A little bit different than the average dog man ran out chasing out of woods.

[00:36:35] That's why I wanted to talk with you because when I saw that you'd posted it.

[00:36:41] And that actually sounds more interesting to me personally just because it's not your run of the mill.

[00:36:50] It ran out in the road and you know what I mean? There's more variance to this. It sounds more plausible.

[00:36:57] I always trying to even though I had my own like run ends with stuff. I've always tried to take that skeptical stance to it. Like I try not to prove or disprovening one.

[00:37:08] If I always try and looking back in my mind, think like well maybe they could have been this.

[00:37:13] Because it's up now. So like.

[00:37:15] But I feel like with these it's.

[00:37:18] You've seen it multiple times. It's not like a mistaken identity. You know what I mean? Like you.

[00:37:23] You've had the experience with it more than just once.

[00:37:27] Like I've come face to face with black bears on multiple occasions.

[00:37:34] I've seen coogers. I've seen brown bears. I've seen mousse and elk and hell. I've even seen a Wolverine up here.

[00:37:44] And they say that Wolverines usually stay up in like Canada and Alaska. And like I said, I'm in Oregon.

[00:37:52] And I've seen them down here.

[00:37:55] There are things down here that I can't readily explain as well. Like I was telling you one of our biggest tourist attractions is Bigfoot.

[00:38:06] Or while we the Lake Monster.

[00:38:09] But we've got other things up here. Not just the wolf people that my grandma and the nespirst tribe talk about in this area.

[00:38:18] But we have things that I'm sure you've heard of this because most people have.

[00:38:24] But the nespirst tribes, one of their biggest legends and one of the things they worship is a thing called a thunderbird.

[00:38:34] Now I've seen a thunderbird or what can be equated to one.

[00:38:40] I was just we were out camping like most of my encounters or anything like that have been.

[00:38:47] And my grandma told me she says, hey look.

[00:38:52] Point's up in the air and I'm.

[00:38:56] I won't lie. I've never seen a bird this big.

[00:39:00] Like and I've seen a heartbeat. Let us do and California condolers when we were down in California.

[00:39:11] Okay, this bird was the size of a SESNA prop plane.

[00:39:17] Like it left a shadow on the ground. So big that it absolutely terrified me.

[00:39:23] I've never seen a bird that big before and it came right before a thunder storm.

[00:39:31] And my grandma told me that that was a thunderbird.

[00:39:36] And a lot of people say, oh, you see your grandma said this, you say your grandma said this. You got understand like I was a sheltered kid.

[00:39:47] My grandma sheltered me from the world because I had been abused by my mother.

[00:39:54] And in order to protect me.

[00:39:58] That's what you get. But on the flip side of it, I know more about most things than other people do because.

[00:40:11] I've witnessed these things firsthand. Right.

[00:40:17] I've seen animals closer than most people have. And I can tell you about their behavior.

[00:40:26] The only difference between all this other stuff and Sasha is a.

[00:40:32] I don't deal with bipedal canines because most everybody else has told these things don't exist.

[00:40:43] Also, I was never talking about this.

[00:40:47] Like my grandma she either didn't wasn't alive long enough to teach me about it.

[00:40:53] And the encounter that I had when I was young was put on the back shelf because.

[00:40:59] Cody you're not supposed to deal with the wolf people.

[00:41:04] You just best just leave him alone.

[00:41:07] Because everything that she said just like everybody else is encounters males are far more aggressive than females.

[00:41:18] And males won't think twice about killing somebody.

[00:41:25] That's what's so confusing about it is because other researchers I've talked to.

[00:41:31] Tell me that what few encounters there are with females are usually in packed settings.

[00:41:41] And that they're usually made it off.

[00:41:48] Well, as far as I can tell, Sasha is so low.

[00:41:52] Sasha is the only one here. And this is a good 100 miles from where the wolf people are said to be.

[00:42:04] And it just confuses hell out of me, but on the other hand, I'm not the type of person that's going to be like, well, I should just try to get rid of this or kill it or whatever because she's not hurt me.

[00:42:26] You know, I don't get the mentality of a lot of people when it comes to things that they don't understand that they have to do harm to it.

[00:42:35] That's how human nature seems to be the like for us.

[00:42:38] I'm not that way. Like I don't understand somebody else. I don't want to kill things like.

[00:42:45] I feel bad when I run over an animal. Like if our squirrel runs out in front of me, I try to avoid it if possible.

[00:42:51] I don't like Rosa cat, so I don't feel the same way about those two particular creatures.

[00:43:00] But, but like, here's a weird instance when I got out of jail, which I spent a good amount of time in there.

[00:43:10] And while I was in there, I had to restructure my mind because when I was younger, I was very,

[00:43:15] I was very aggressive. I was mean, you know, my grandma. She used to tell me that when I was young, I was a mean son of a bitch, she's my, excuse my words.

[00:43:29] And some things that I've talked about like my mental disorders and whatnot were part of it. That's what made me so mean.

[00:43:41] On the other hand after I got out.

[00:43:44] I just wanted to get back into my regular thing, so we went out shooting rabbits.

[00:43:52] Well, we finally found the rabbit and I shot it.

[00:43:57] But when I shot it, it wasn't a clean kill.

[00:44:01] And when it did its whole death throw, scream thing, it broke me.

[00:44:07] You know, I came to tears because I realized that I cared more about these animals than I ever had before.

[00:44:19] And it, my grandma explained to me that I had finally come to understand the value of life, not just for myself but for everything.

[00:44:33] And that's something that she had tried to and I guess succeeded in instilling in me was, you know, love and understanding for everything.

[00:44:46] And like you said, yes, basic human nature is if you don't understand something, you should destroy it.

[00:44:56] I don't believe that way either.

[00:45:00] Because and a lot of people get confused by this, but that's why I don't consider myself a human in the vaguest of words because I care about everything that everybody seems to fear.

[00:45:19] And for a lot of people that is unnerving and that's why I live alone and why, you know, my first marriage fell apart and why I have a baby mama that takes care of my son away from me.

[00:45:36] And those are things that I can deal with, but when it comes down to Sasha, it's just like throwing a wrench in the cards, like,

[00:45:50] I just, I can't comprehend it because everything that I've heard or read or watched is that these creatures are supposed to be dangerous.

[00:46:07] There are very few encounters that are, docile or there I say even friendly.

[00:46:19] Because for the most part, the people that come forward are scared or terrified and I feel like the people that have more mundane encounters.

[00:46:31] They keep them to themselves because, you know, they have an understanding that there's more to this world.

[00:46:45] That people want to understand and some of the people that want to understand it want to use it for bad things and I'm very aware of that.

[00:46:54] I think we can probably get close to wrapping this one up, but there's a few things I wanted to ask before he had to.

[00:47:01] Now, like, when you said you saw Sasha whether for the first time.

[00:47:08] Right.

[00:47:10] Like, would general description would you depict her ass? Like, I know I've heard a lot of different descriptions but like, could you say she's looking more wolf style looking.

[00:47:22] So, here is I have a drawn picture of her that a friend of mine drew for me that I can send you.

[00:47:32] Yeah, you did sent me that one. I'm just for the audience listening so to just to give a generalized description.

[00:47:38] So, let me thank you.

[00:47:43] If you've ever seen the movie The Howling or Dog soldiers have super in my head, super accurate descriptions of like a bipedal can I.

[00:47:59] They've got the head of a dog or a wolf.

[00:48:05] Here's here's the things though.

[00:48:07] Sasha's chest cavity, you know how our chest go way down.

[00:48:14] Sasha doesn't. Sasha's is about I'd say take two or three ribs off each side and that's Sasha's rib cage.

[00:48:25] It's a little less bulky than ours.

[00:48:30] But Sasha right now from the last time I saw her which was, you know, I'll just a week or so ago.

[00:48:37] Sasha's stands about seven to seven and a half feet tall and she has that stereotypical main from her head down to her shoulders and part of her chest.

[00:48:52] Her breasts are around the same size and she has hair down her arms down the middle of her back and down part way down a legs.

[00:49:05] The rest of her body has either really short fur or as hairless.

[00:49:13] I'm not entirely sure because I haven't been extremely close with her.

[00:49:19] I've heard some people say that their claws were tracked.

[00:49:24] I've never seen her claws were tracked especially that day that she had her hand inside my doorframe.

[00:49:31] Her claws were just out there like a raccoon's hands.

[00:49:38] At this point in my life, I'm pretty much totally color blind.

[00:49:43] I had an injury from fighting with one of my brothers that he hit me in the head with two by four but it jarred my my retinal cones.

[00:49:56] And I've slowly gone color blind over the past couple.

[00:50:01] I guess it's been about five years now.

[00:50:06] Anyways, when I first saw her shoes about the same color as like a more gray coyote.

[00:50:15] And I can only assume that she's about the same color now except the hair on her head is longer.

[00:50:22] You know, it's you know, I dare I say female like it's just that long-ish hair.

[00:50:33] But for the most part she doesn't make very much noise and she's.

[00:50:43] She's she's very curious is the only thing I can think of.

[00:50:49] I feel like with.

[00:50:52] Creatures like this or whatever it's hard to describe what they actually are and I always try and.

[00:50:59] Ask the guests for the most part what they think these things are by no there's really no right or wrong answer because no one really knows.

[00:51:07] But.

[00:51:08] Do you think they're more of a flesh and blood creature already think they're more of a spiritual.

[00:51:13] Different realm and like existence, plain of existence type of a creature.

[00:51:19] So.

[00:51:21] I take my.

[00:51:23] Description of her from how my grandma described her kind to me.

[00:51:29] The Nes per's called them the wolf people at least in this area.

[00:51:38] And the way she explained it to me is.

[00:51:42] They're not, you know, they're not skin lockers.

[00:51:45] They don't ship.

[00:51:47] They don't change their form.

[00:51:50] They're just like this.

[00:51:53] And the reason for that is because they just.

[00:51:58] Came from a different branch, you know, it's like I guess there's some islands that aren't very.

[00:52:07] Touched by other parts of land very often, especially like the commoto islands.

[00:52:13] Where the commoto dragons live.

[00:52:15] There's no, you don't see lizards that big anywhere else.

[00:52:22] And we're not talking about crocodiles because crocodiles aren't lizards.

[00:52:29] But there's other things.

[00:52:31] There's an island out there where there was a store that stood almost eight feet tall.

[00:52:37] And that's the only place where it was.

[00:52:40] The only thing that I can figure.

[00:52:42] Is that these creatures like big feet.

[00:52:51] Have been here there've been here the whole time.

[00:52:55] The only difference is that.

[00:52:59] A.

[00:53:01] They're smarter than us.

[00:53:04] And, you know, better equipped at surviving out the wild.

[00:53:09] Which, you know, a lot of things like one of my buddies asked me's like, well, if they're natural creatures, why don't we seem like we see bearer.

[00:53:18] I said Richard as long as you've lived in this county how many times have you seen a bearer.

[00:53:25] He says I've never seen a bearer.

[00:53:27] I said yet I know that there are so many fucking bear out here that you can't even bat an island.

[00:53:33] I said I'm not sure if you can bat a bearer.

[00:53:34] I said, well, yeah, I said how are you supposed to say that you've never seen a bearer.

[00:53:42] But you've never seen one of these creatures either and think that one is real and one isn't.

[00:53:49] That's my biggest point is that how many people have seen a bearer if you live in bear country.

[00:53:57] I've said the same thing too often do you ever go out into the woods and you ever find a parkace of a dead.

[00:54:03] Panther, her not but a dead cover and then a dead bear or anything.

[00:54:08] A predator out there you don't ever really find a dead body of them very often hardly ever.

[00:54:16] So I've and in my experience my whole time hunting and being out in woods.

[00:54:23] I found one bear job on.

[00:54:26] And that bear job on was in a river stream.

[00:54:30] And it looked like it had been there for years and who knows where it originally came from.

[00:54:39] You know, that was just a luck and by chance kind of thing.

[00:54:43] Most of the time, especially when people talk about encountering these things from what I hear.

[00:54:53] These people are in densely wooded areas which to me tells me that.

[00:55:01] They're in these creatures territory.

[00:55:04] The fact of the matter is.

[00:55:07] The encounters between me and Sasha.

[00:55:10] I'm still very, very confused about it.

[00:55:14] But that doesn't mean I.

[00:55:16] I want it to stop or I want somebody to hear a ring.

[00:55:20] Like I just want to know more facts.

[00:55:23] That's that's my whole stick.

[00:55:25] That's why I do what I do because I've always wanted to try and find more answers to the things that I've seen.

[00:55:32] And the more that I've went down and interviewed people to try and find answers for the more questions I come out with.

[00:55:37] So the sad reality is I don't know if we're ever going to find the answers we're looking for because.

[00:55:43] Every time we find something new there's always more questions to go along with it.

[00:55:48] And you know what? I think I'm kind of comfortable with that.

[00:55:50] I don't know for supposed to know everything.

[00:55:54] I know that sounds weird. That's the only thing I do know it sounds weird, but I don't feel like as humans are supposed to know everything.

[00:56:03] But.

[00:56:03] Night and it's dance.

[00:56:05] Fall Cody.

[00:56:07] It's been a pleasure talking with you.

[00:56:08] I'm truly honored to have you on here to share your experience.

[00:56:12] I know you mentioned that I'm the first podcast you've ever talked to far as about this.

[00:56:17] So I definitely appreciate you trust to me with it.

[00:56:21] Well, I appreciate you too. You've been quite a help for a lot of things even just getting it out there.

[00:56:29] That's what I try and do just to give everyone a chance to talk about the things that they don't feel like they get to talk about.

[00:56:35] But how I was for 17 years, I think, to talk about what happened to me. So I try and help other people out.

[00:56:42] Well, thank you. I appreciate it.

[00:56:44] Yeah, I'm not a problem. Thank you.

[00:56:46] But on that note, we're going to wrap this one up. So thanks for everyone out there listening. Thanks to Cody for coming on here and talking with me tonight. It's been a pleasure.

[00:56:55] You have a good night.

[00:56:58] Bye bye.

[00:57:04] And that's the show everyone. I really hope you guys enjoyed the conversations.

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[00:57:28] And until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking and keep exploring the unknown.

[00:57:32] Good night everyone.

[00:58:02] We're going to keep us blind.

[00:58:04] We're all before we're going to use our own mind.

[00:58:10] In history, they want us to know the secrets they hide.

[00:58:15] So if they want to show loneliness and sight, they keep us in chains.

[00:58:25] But then in talk it's time to break the rains.

[00:58:29] We have control trying to keep us blind.

[00:58:51] But I won't be full, can you use our own mind.