Tinfoil Talks: The Bennington Triangle

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[00:00:34] And I just turned around and I pulled ass out of there. I was, I was done. I wasn't dealing with that. The hypocrisy of the call is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my headlights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most were the eyes were glowing red.

[00:01:01] I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. To tell them that he saw a UFO, they're basically like, what are you talking about?

[00:01:21] That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it. And that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose, and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, it felt like death. Welcome back to 10 Foil Tells. I'm your host, Brandon Wright. Tonight's episode, we're going to be joined by my guest, Nick. Nick is from Almost Cannon Podcast. He reached out to me a while back about coming on the show. Looking forward to talking with him.

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[00:02:50] I'd like to take this time to welcome my guest tonight, Nick. Thanks for coming on here and talking with me tonight. Yeah, no, thanks for having me. Would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself? Yeah, sure. I have a podcast called Almost Canon. I live up here in Vermont in the North Country, in the middle of nowhere. I mean, other than that, I really kind of been digging into the paranormal ever since I was a kid, really.

[00:03:19] I mean, it just fascinated me ever since I was really little. So the name Almost Canon is a play on the whole Nick Cannon thing. But that's how I thought it was when I first saw your name. No, no. It is actually a name my old co-host picked out. But he's not around anymore. So it's kind of like, you know, the canon is the official story. Right. Right.

[00:03:48] So it's almost canon. I figured that's what it was. But with your name being Nick and then it was Almost Canon. I was like, is this supposed to be like almost canon like the lore, like almost real? Or is he almost Nick Cannon? No. I wish. Right? No. That's a conspiracy in itself. How many kids Nick Cannon actually have? But Noah, how long have you been doing your podcast?

[00:04:20] A year and a half, maybe. Something like that. A little while, I guess. I've been doing this one for about two years. So the two-year anniversary was a little over a month ago. Oh, nice. Yeah. It's nice to like, you know, stick through it and get it out there. It is definitely fun, I guess. And have an outlet for all this stuff. Crazy stuff going on, you know? Mm-hmm. Yeah, there's definitely a lot of stuff going on.

[00:04:50] And for some reason, I just seem to always be able to keep doing episodes. So I guess until I can't do that anymore, I'll keep at it. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a postal driver. So I deliver, you know, a rural postal driver. So I'm driving all day long, like 90 miles a day. And I listen, you know, I just listen to podcasts all day long. So.

[00:05:14] That is, I used to drive for work and it'll probably pick back up. But for work purposes, the last couple of years, my closest location to my office was 90 miles. So I had to drive there to and from. So that was a good hour and a half to two hour drive there and back. I had to do that every day. Yeah. So I listened to a lot of stuff.

[00:05:40] But then since December of last year, actually, it was September of last year, I started working closer to home. So I haven't really been going anywhere. And then since December, I've pretty much been working from home. So I haven't really been driving anywhere. So I don't get to listen to podcasts much anymore. Oh, man. Yeah. There's some pretty good ones. I said, I do my own. And that's about the only time I get to do podcast stuff is when I'm doing my own podcast. I don't get the free time just to go out and listen to stuff anymore.

[00:06:10] Right. Yeah. It does take up a lot of time. I mean, I. Like we, you know, before we started recording, you're talking about how many episodes and stuff like I do. I record once a week. And I still feel like it's all I do is, you know, research, editing, recording. And that's just one episode a week. Do you ever have guests on your show? Oh, yeah. You know, all the time. It's about half and half.

[00:06:40] So I'll do a research a certain topic, you know, and we'll do it. And I'll bring on, you know, I get a couple other friends that have podcasts and I'll usually bring one of them on. And then, you know, if I'm not doing that, I'll have a guest on. So. So, yeah, for me, I literally just have guests. So I'm always it works out easier for me because I don't have to do a lot of research to anything. I just let the guests come on and talk about whatever it is they want to talk about. Yeah, that is a lot. It is a lot easier when I have a guest on.

[00:07:09] I definitely have more time to do research. But I mean, I like to get into all this stuff. There's some crazy shit. We allowed to swear on here? I do not edit anything out. So whatever you say is good. All right. Yeah. So, I mean, there's a lot of really cool, you know, shit out there that it's just I find that.

[00:07:30] I really believe that behind every, you know, myth or legend or story or whatever, there is, you know, something of the truth and that you can dig into history and find, you know, that kernel of whatever it is. So I like doing that. I like seeing what's out there. But I also like, you know, not everything that people talk about is true. You know, a lot of it is just crazy stuff. So it is, you know, it's nice to really get in there, dig in and find out for yourself.

[00:08:01] I like to hear about stuff and I do some research here and there, but like, I don't actually have the opportunities to do as much as I want. Just because I would talk about a full-time job, married. And you can relate to the children. There's just not enough time. Right. So there's a lot of things I would like to do. Like, I'm thinking of stuff and I haven't mentioned this on air before.

[00:08:31] So I guess for anyone listening, I'm looking into doing actual physical real life investigations on certain cryptid activity within my driving distances. Right. But I've got a couple people lined up that we're actually going to film it. So it's not just me going to go out there in the woods and hopefully get attacked by a Bigfoot, but we're at least try to document me being attacked by a Bigfoot. Right.

[00:09:00] I might not live, but we'll be at least famous for the guy that caught Bigfoot killing him. Yeah. I actually went on my first investigation, I guess you could call it, with a paranormal group kind of for the show. But not really. Like, I didn't record. I guess I did record it, but I don't really know if I'm going to put it out as an episode itself.

[00:09:23] But I went to, I was invited to a state park here in Vermont, Jamaica State Park, to kind of put on like a ghost story night. And I had a paranormal team come with me and they, you know, we did an investigation at the end and kind of found some interesting stuff. Some pretty creepy things. But it was fun.

[00:09:44] I've only been on a couple different investigations for paranormal stuff and that was not really anything that I thought was extravagant. Right. And that was probably 15 plus years ago. When we were younger and dumb, we used to go to these haunted, quote unquote, cemetery haunted whatever locations. And obviously everyone's dumb when you're a teenager and think cemeteries are haunted. Right.

[00:10:13] But we did stuff like that before there were shows like Ghost Hunters. Like, this was back in like the year 2000, 2001, when I was still in high school. I was like, we didn't have that shit on TV. Right.

[00:10:31] So now that is, I grew up doing that stuff with my friends, but other than that, I've never been out with anyone that's really, other than the one or once or twice before in the last 15 years with people that are supposed to be ghost hunters. Right. I've never been on a cryptid hunt. So trying to at least put that little notch under my belt. I don't think anything will happen, but you never know. Yeah.

[00:11:01] I've never been on a cryptid hunt either, but I, you know, I do a lot of deer hunting. And in 2017, it was opening day. I didn't see anything, but I'm pretty sure that whatever was up there, it was definitely like a Sasquatch or something. You know, I think it was a juvenile and then, you know, a parent or, you know, a older one behind it somewhere kind of drew my attention away from,

[00:11:30] from the younger one. It was, it was pretty nerve wracking. I mean. Were you like on a tree stand or something? No, I was, I was walking, you know, I was walking to the hunting location. So my grandparents, my family, they own a bunch of land on, on this mountain, you know, it's called Mount Ephraim. It's fairly, you know, it's not huge. It's about 4,000 feet. But, um, I was going up the mountain to my usual spot.

[00:11:58] There's this class four road that goes up the middle to the summit. You know, we walk up this road. Uh, we do a lot of maple sugaring up there. So this road is like, uh, we walk on all the time. And I was walking up this road and the only other hunter that ever, that I've ever seen up there. Like this is my grandparents land. This is the only other guy that hunts this location. He was coming down out of the woods and he looked really, I could tell something had, you know, spooked him. He looks spooked. So I asked him, I was like, what's going on?

[00:12:28] How's the hunting? He was like, oh man, I was sitting behind this rock and, and this bobcat came out of nowhere and jumped over the top of me and went running off into the woods. And he's like, it scared me. And you know, I'm just, I'm just leaving now. And I was like, oh wow, that's weird. I didn't really think anything of it at the time. And I kept, so I kept going up the hill and this was, and he had, just come down the hill. So he must've been up there when all this, you know, kind of started off.

[00:12:55] So I was going up the hill and I, I started to hear what sounded like a turkey or, you know, it sounded like a person trying to sound like a turkey. So it didn't sound exactly like a turkey. And as I kept going up the hill, uh, the turkey sound, the turkey call kind of devolved into more of a growl. You know, the, the closer I got to where the sound was coming from, the more it, it, it changed from a turkey to a growl.

[00:13:24] And then I got pretty much, you know, probably 20 yards from where the sound was coming from. And I couldn't see anything. It was whatever it was, was in like this thicket of, of really, there were like saplings, but there were so many saplings. It was so thick. I couldn't see through it and whatever it was in, whatever was there was, was behind this, you know, growth of trees.

[00:13:45] Uh, and it had turned into a full growl at this point, you know, and I had my little, my brother-in-law was with me when he was like 10 years old or something. So I'm like, dude, we got, you got to stop. We got to stop whenever, you know, this, I was really starting to get creeped out and we were hunting. So I had my rifle, my sidearm. I, I was loaded. Like, you know, something was, was to jump out at us. We would have, I shouldn't, you know, I, I shouldn't have been afraid.

[00:14:16] And then from behind me, I heard four tree knocks. Now I, I never thought, I always thought tree knocks were just something, you know, was, were a joke. It was something that you'd hear on, uh, finding Bigfoot or something, you know, I didn't actually think that, that this was a real phenomenon, but I, I shit you not. This thing was growling at us. And then from behind me, it was like, boom, boom, boom, boom.

[00:14:44] And at that point I was just like, okay, we got to leave. We got to get out of here. Uh, we slowly backed away and left, but I didn't see anything. I never saw anything. Right. Um, could have been another hunter just messing around with us, but then there would have had been two of them. You know, obviously the tree knocks came from behind us somewhere. And if this was another hunter, I mean, this guy was, he was playing fast and loose with his life.

[00:15:09] Like I could have easily just shot, you know, pointed and pulled the trigger. And I know people who do that kind of shit, you know, like sound shooters, they hear something and they kind of just shoot at it. Right. Now, obviously I don't do that, but this guy, if this was a person, like I could have, you know, he, he would have had no, no idea. He could have just been killed. So I do not think it was a person, but it could have been, um, in this location.

[00:15:37] It's on my Graham's property. I mean, I, this is not the only weird thing that has happened up there. You know, I've talked to multiple family members. Like I said, we do maple sugaring up there. People have seen weird things. It seems to only go on from like mid to late October to, I don't know, like March or April, you know, springtime. It seems to only go on in the winter. Really? It's strange. Um, but yeah, I don't know. I'd never seen, I'd never actually seen anything.

[00:16:06] I've had cameras up there. Uh, never gotten a picture of anything weird, you know? So I don't know. I don't know what it was. But the knocking to me, I was going to say, I have that similar mindset is I don't really think the knocking is them trying to communicate. If they do that. I've also thought it was strange.

[00:16:30] Like you have people that are out looking for these supposedly super smart, elusive creatures that no one can ever find to take photos of. Yeah. We're going to go out there and scream and holler and bang on trees and expect them to be stupid enough. Just wander on up. Be like, Oh, Hey, what's up fella? Like, right. I understand it's like a TV show, but like everyone tries to emulate that.

[00:16:58] Well, I say everyone, but a lot of people tries to emulate what they see on television. And for me, I like, you're not going to find anything by doing that. Right. You're just allowing them to know exactly where you're at now. So it's going to avoid you. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I have a feeling they can distinguish the difference between a person and another, whatever a Sasquatch is. Oh yeah. No doubt.

[00:17:27] And I mean like the tree knocks, I don't, I don't think it was trying to communicate. I honestly, you know, I think it was just trying to get my attention away from, you know, whatever was making the calls. That's what I think it was doing. A bit of distraction. Yeah. Yeah. I was trying to distract me. And I think like the other dude that was up there sitting behind this rock, I think whatever was up there spooked that Bobcat, you know, and that's why it went running off and over him and scared him.

[00:17:55] And he left, but he must've been up there with whatever else was up there. I don't, I, you know, I've never actually talked to the guy to see if he experienced anything else that day. Because like when I say he was spooked, like he was spooked, like I could instantly tell on his face. So he might've actually seen something else. I don't know. I never even thought of, of reaching out to him until right now. Well, if you ever do.

[00:18:25] Yeah. I'm going to have to. Let me know what he thinks. But now far as, uh, like what you're wanting to talk about here tonight, I forget what you said it was, but you mentioned, um, it was by the Bridgewater triangle. And I've had several different episodes about that. So it's really, there's something strange in that whole area. I don't know what it is. Right. Yeah. The Bennington triangle. The Bennington triangle. Yeah.

[00:18:54] A lot of people, I feel like a lot of people haven't heard of the Bennington triangle. Um, and it's like, you know, I said earlier, it's, it's really not that far away from the Bridgewater triangle, right? It's only like a couple, I don't know, less than, it's like 180 miles away or something like that. Um, so it is fairly close. Yeah. I don't, I don't know a whole lot about it. So. Well, I'll get into the history of it.

[00:19:23] I said for me, I'm just going to sit here and listen and you can take over. Yeah. All right. Perfect. So I'm like, I, I'm going to start. And if there is something that you want to like talk about, you know, you can just interrupt me because I did, I wrote out a bunch of notes. There's so much to remember. My memory is totally shot. So, uh, let's see where I can pick this up from. Uh, blah, blah, blah. So yeah. So like I'm from Vermont.

[00:19:51] A lot of people haven't necessarily, I feel like I, you know, a lot of people haven't heard of the Bennington triangle. I feel like a lot of people haven't even heard of Vermont. You know, I tell people I'm from Vermont and they ask me what state that's in, right? Like it's a city or something, but Vermont is, you know, it's a state. It's one of the smaller states. It's up in the Northeast. Uh, we were the 14th state. So we came in, you know, after the, we were the first to be added to the union after the, you know, original 13 colonies.

[00:20:20] Uh, and the land, you know, that would become Vermont was, was pretty much wild frontier until around the 1730s. Um, we were kind of fought over by New York and New Hampshire for a while. So, and we played a pretty big role in the French and Indian war and even bigger role. And like the revolutionary war, you know, we have Lake Champlain. A lot of people probably heard of Champ. It's kind of like a lake monster, kind of like Nessie.

[00:20:48] Um, he's from Lake Champlain. So this, you know, that Lake Champlain straddles Vermont and upstate New York. And also played a pretty big role in, you know, like the revolutionary war. This is, you know, America had its first Navy on Lake Champlain. This is where you get figures like Ethan Allen or Benedict Arnold. You know, they, they really came into prominence here in Vermont.

[00:21:15] Uh, and as I guess as a sort of side note, I don't know if you might find this interesting or not, but I've, like I said, I'm a postal driver and along my mail route, I randomly came across someone who, who told me this story on how Benedict Arnold is actually buried in, you know, this, this unnamed graves, you know, there's this grave site in the middle of the woods. They say Benedict Arnold's buried there.

[00:21:44] And, and funnily enough, it's, it's on a product plot of land that was owned by Ethan Allen's son. So I don't, we don't have to get into the backstory of everything, but you know, they fought together in the revolutionary war. So I don't know. That's the story that they told me. I don't know if it's true or not. You know, Benedict Arnold supposedly buried in England, but I was found that kind of interesting, but that doesn't have anything to do with the Bennington triangle. I just, some people might find that interesting.

[00:22:14] But yeah, you know, you had mentioned that this area is, is kind of, there's something going on in this area and I would definitely agree. And I think the most notably haunted location or just location for paranormal activity in Vermont is the Bennington triangle. So much like, it's a lot like the Bermuda triangle, or like I said, the Bridgewater triangle.

[00:22:42] It's kind of a geographical location tucked away in Southwest corner of Vermont. You know, it gets its name from this Vermont folklorist and paranormal author named Joseph Citro. I don't know if you've heard of him or not. He's kind of. No, no, he, he writes a lot about new England, really, you know, paranormal new England. And he kind of dug into the triangles mysteries in the 1990s.

[00:23:11] So he, he coined the term, the Bennington triangle. Much like other triangles, you know, there's no official boundary lines. However, the towns of Bennington and Woodford, Shaftesbury and Somerset kind of make up the roughly 300 square miles of the triangle with a focal point located around a mountain called Gladstenberry Mountain. It's kind of like in the middle of it, right?

[00:23:41] So if you research this area, you'll find the same old information over and over again, you know, missing people in the forties. There's an old ghost town, man eating rocks, Sasquatch attacks from, you know, the 1800s as well as your, your usual UFO and ghost stories and shadow person sightings and things like that. Um, and I find that this, you know, if you look up podcasts on the Bennington triangle,

[00:24:11] it's all, they usually only focus on, you know, there was a, this spat of missing people, right? But what I find, I guess what I find most interesting about the Bennington triangle is that supposedly the four winds meet at the mountain summit and the, the Abenaki was this native American, you know, this indigenous tribe that, that lived in the region before the settlers came in.

[00:24:39] Uh, they, they claim that the, the mountain itself was cursed because of these four winds. They met at the summit. Um, at least that, that was the official reason that they stated. Now the land, you know, around the triangle. So, you know, Bennington and glass and bearing and things like that, what the, you know, kind

[00:25:06] of goes back to the late 1700s when this dude named Benning Wentworth, he was a governor of New Hampshire. He visited the city of Bennington in 1761 and he planned to write up charters for the mountain region around Bennington. You know, and we see in his journal when he would, he took this trip, you know, he wanted settlers to move out of Bennington and into the land. Right. And we see in his journal that he wrote about seeing shadow figures in the trees and hearing inhuman screams coming from the forest at night.

[00:25:37] Uh, and he, you know, on that trip where he provided these charters, uh, he reported all sorts of weird stuff happening to him when he was up there. Now the Abenaki, like I said, they thought the land was cursed. So they warned against the settlers. You know, they told them not to go up there if they had to, then to stay away from the summit of the mountain, which seemed to be the epicenter for, you know, the mountain's powers.

[00:26:03] It's said that they, they would only enter the woods of Glatzenberry to enter their dead. Other than that, they would stay away from the mountain. So white settlers begin arriving in 1791. And I'm going to try to blow through this as quickly as possible. It's kind of boring. It's just the history of the triangle. Um, but it definitely, I think plays a big role in, in, uh, you know, what could be going on up there.

[00:26:31] So settlers arrive in 1791 by 1810, there were 76 residents by the 1840s. Several families had left leaving only 50 residents. And it wasn't until after the civil war that Glatzenberry saw a boom in population. So Bennington had become quite wealthy and due to the boom and, uh, industry, you know, Glatzenberry saw growth as well took several decades, but proper villages were constructed one called

[00:27:00] Fay'sville and the other called South Glatzenberry. So by the 1870s, uh, the towns on Glatzenberry mountain, mostly South Glatzenberry were very successful thanks to the vast amounts of timber that surrounded the village. So they, they became, uh, charcoal producers and they cut down, you know, they would cut down all these trees.

[00:27:25] They would create charcoal, which was used to power the iron mills in upstate New York. Uh, so 1870 saw the construction of two mills, one in each village, as well as 12 kilns in South Glatzenberry. And by 1873, a railway was finished making transport between Glatzenberry and Bennington much easier. This is where we get our first example of something weird going on.

[00:27:52] So in 1892, after the majority of the timber had been cut from the mountain. And I, like I said, I think that plays a pretty key role in unleashing whatever, uh, whatever was, was, you know, laying semi dormant, I guess you could say at the time. Uh, anyway, there was one mill worker, a man named Henry McDowell who would end up bashing

[00:28:18] another worker in the head with a rock crushing his skull and killing him instantly. And when asked why he did it, he would tell authorities that the voices from the forest told him to do it. Uh, and you know, he went on the run, he was caught in Connecticut and that's where he admitted to the murder. Henry, Henry McDowell, he would end up escaping from the prison asylum he was placed in. It would never be seen again.

[00:28:42] So back in Fazeville and South Glastonbury, their lucrative, lucrative charcoal business kind of came to an end around 1889, you know, after they had pretty much cut all the trees from the mountain, right? Uh, railroad operations, you know, kind of ceased. There was no one to, to transport this lumber.

[00:29:10] You know, they, they kind of just, their entire economy just crashed and they would transform this, this charcoal business into a resort. So they would turn their bunkhouse into a grand hotel and their general store into a casino. They would rebuild the train into an electric tram that they used to carry people from Bennington, you know, up the mountain side to Glastonbury or South Glastonbury. And all this seemed like a great idea, right?

[00:29:38] Like the town was prosperous again, but it didn't last long. Glastonbury experienced a single year of operation before the following spring. When the snow began to melt and the rains fell, the infrastructure that supported Glastonbury was literally washed down the mountain in an epic flood. Obviously, thanks to all the trees that they cut down, you know, these trees, they hold the soil together and there was nothing to hold the soil and they kind of just lost everything. And that's the basic history of the town. It's now a ghost town.

[00:30:08] You can go up there. There's all these foundations and, you know, there's no buildings left now, but there's, there's these foundations. People go up there, you know, you can see videos on YouTube and stuff. Um, it is a fairly decent hike. If you are in the area or you're thinking about going to the area, it's pretty decent hike just to get up there. It's like three miles or something like that. Um, but if you are thinking you're going up there, I mean, I guess I would kind of recommend it. It might be exciting.

[00:30:37] Uh, but, but yeah, that's the basic history. Like I said, in the 1940s, five people went missing in a five-year span. And, and this is what gets the most attention when you talk about the Bennington triangle, but I don't, you know, it, it's interesting, but it's, it's definitely not the most interesting thing, I think. Um, so there's estimate. I was going to ask a question. Yep.

[00:31:05] Uh, the five people that were missing, were they five to like, were any of them together or were they all just random people that came up missing and were they all men, women mixtures? I'll get into it, but, uh, no, they weren't together. Um, but. Hey, move those routers there. Oh, Hey, it's me. Your data center.

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[00:31:56] It's almost like I don't like talking about, you know, I'm a paranormal guy, right? I like weird things. So I don't like talking about, you know, the serial killer theory. Right. Um, but it, it's almost, it's very strange, you know, I'll, I'll lay out the years and things and, and you'll notice like something funky is going on here. Like there's a reason why people focus on this.

[00:32:21] Uh, David Polites, uh, Polites has, um, he's included this in his, his, uh, Eastern book, you know, missing four on one, the Eastern book. Um, but yeah, so there's estimates that up to 40 people have gone missing within the triangle over the course of all these years. Um, and before the, these five people went missing, there were two others that were also

[00:32:47] kind of strange disappearances as well as deaths that occurred in the area that don't get as much attention. One was in 1942 and the other was in 1943. So they're kind of back to back, you know, you'll, I'll, I'll get into the five right now. So between 1945 and 1950, you know, these, these five people really gained notoriety. And the first one is a man named Middy Rivers and he was a hunter, you know, he was a hunting

[00:33:14] guide, a local hunting guide in this place called Brickford Hollow. He was leading a group of hunters in Brickford Hollow, which I think is also called Hell's Hollow. It got the nickname Hell's Hollow. Um, I'm not exactly sure why, but it definitely doesn't sound very, very pleasant. I feel like a lot of those places were given the names of devils and hells and everything else just to make them sound scarier to white settlers. Yeah.

[00:33:41] I mean, that, that very well could be the reason I, I, I, I like, I don't know. Um, but yeah, Middy Rivers, he would, he would just vanish without a trace. He was with hunters, right? He kind of went ahead of them to prepare the camp. Um, and he disappeared between leaving the hunters, the group of hunters. So I guess this guy was with the group. He disappeared between leaving those hunters and the camp in between that point. At some point he disappeared and that was on November 12th, 1945.

[00:34:12] And he just, I guess kind of just keep this in the back of your head. He was wearing a red and black jacket. Now they never found anything of him. There's reports that they found a single bullet that had not been shot. Like it had just fallen out of his pocket. Um, and it was kind of like on the edge of, of a very shallow stream, like a Creek. It was not a river or anything like he couldn't have drowned or been swept down river. Right. It was just this very, very shallow Creek.

[00:34:42] Um, and the next one to go missing was Paula Weldon and she's probably the most popular one. You know, she was very wealthy or apparent, you know, her dad owned some sort of company. Uh, and he put a lot of money into finding her. And she's actually the reason why the Vermont state police, you know, was started. Uh, and she went missing on December 1st, 1946, you know, about a year later.

[00:35:08] Uh, and she hitchhiked from, I believe it was Southern Vermont college. You know, this was a, it's not open anymore and it's got its own paranormal issues going on there, but, uh, you know, it's not too far away. It's in Bennington. And she hitchhiked from the college to Brickford hollow. Uh, and she was wearing a red jacket and there's some evidence that she might've gone into a car.

[00:35:36] Now keep that in mind to the end of this, when I'm going to get into something, um, that I've recently uncovered. That's very, very strange. The third person to go missing was James Tedford. He was a world war one vet. He, he practically went missing on a bus. No one ever saw him get off. Uh, no one ever saw, you know, he never went. So he got on the bus.

[00:36:05] No one ever saw him get off the bus. He never made it to his destination. So they say, you know, he just disappeared from the bus. Right. Uh, and he went missing on December 1st, 1949. So three years to the day after Paula Weldon went missing. Some people say that he was seen talking with somebody before he went missing.

[00:36:32] But, you know, people just say that there's no evidence to support that he actually did. Um, the next person, this would be the fourth one was a little boy named Paul Jepson. And he went missing on October 12th, 1950. He was wearing a red sweater. Bloodhounds tracked, you know, his, his, his trail is sent to a road that was near the mountain near Glastonbury.

[00:37:00] And his parents reported that he had had an urge to go to the mountain, you know, in the weeks leading up to. His disappearance. Now, the last one to go missing within this time frame was Frida Langer. She was missing like two weeks later on October 28th, 1950. She was wearing a red and white woolen shirt. And out of the five that went missing that we just talked about, she was the only one that was ever found.

[00:37:30] Now, she was found seven miles away or three and a half miles away. Seven months later, right after the snow had melted and in the springtime. Uh, and they attributed her death to an accidental drowning. She was found, you know, face up in at the edge of Somerset Reservoir.

[00:37:52] Uh, in a, in like with the missing 411 stuff, you know, she was found in a location that had been searched several times previously. But it wasn't until the springtime when they found her, right? Uh, let's see here.

[00:38:14] Um, so the, the two that I had mentioned briefly before this, these major, you know, occurrences. Was a boy named Melvin Hills who went missing in 1942 from the Bennington area. He was never found. They don't, you know, I don't know if this has anything to do with a triangle or if he just went missing somewhere else. I don't know, but he went missing and was never found.

[00:38:40] And on November 11th, 1943, Carl Herrick was hunting with a cousin in the triangle. They ended up separating and when Carl didn't return that night, his cousin went for help. Now, Carl was found three days later. His rifle was a hundred feet away, you know, from him. And he had been squeezed to death, right? His rib cage, his ribs had punctured his lungs.

[00:39:09] You know, due to the immense pressure and force. Kind of like someone gave him a giant bear hug, right? And that, that is how he died. Well, I guess a lot of people attribute that to Sasquatch or something, right? It sounds like something would, I was getting ready to say like a bear hug. Now, there are bears in that area, but if something were to kill him like a bear, wouldn't the bear have eaten him?

[00:39:37] Uh, you know, yeah, we do have black bear in the area. Um. It's just weird if a bear would have killed him. That didn't do anything else with him. Right. Like if he was attacked by an animal, they would have known. Like if you're going to get attacked by a bear and then someone finds your body, they're obviously going to know you were attacked by an animal. Like being attacked by an animal is not pretty.

[00:40:02] You know, there's blood, there's, there's clothings ripped up, you know, you got scratch marks everywhere. It, there was none of that. It was just his lungs were punctured and that was it. Nothing had touched him in the three days or however, however many days after his death. Nothing had touched him. It was just his punctured lungs and, you know, he had been squeezed to death and his rifle was, you know, a hundred feet away or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Just, um, strange.

[00:40:32] Now, I know you don't think you've gotten into this far, but you mentioned the David Polite thing. That's got me thinking. I remember specifically on the video, like the series that he did. I think it was the second one. It was called hunted. Yep. The old guy that was hunting that ended up disappearing. Is that one of the people from that area? No, but it's not that far away either. I mean, yeah, Bennington is right on the border of, of kind of that area.

[00:41:03] Um, you know, maybe like an hour and a half drive, but yeah, it's not in that area, but it isn't, it isn't that, that far away. Okay. Yeah. I just was kind of curious. Yeah. You know, same general area, but not in the triangle or the same state. Okay. Yeah. Uh, so yeah. Anyways, those are the missing people. Those are the, you know, when you talk about the triangle, that's what people mainly talk about.

[00:41:32] Um, but that's not necessarily what grabbed my attention. Uh, what really grabbed my attention. And this is where it starts to get, this is where I kind of go off the rails and I got into my own research on a bunch of stuff. So hear me out. Let me know what you think. Like, um, this is going to get kind of weird. All right.

[00:41:54] So what really grabbed my interest about the triangle is the fact that the local Abenaki believed their creator God lived within this mountain, you know, um, Mount Glastonbury. Uh, so as I looked into this topic, I go deep, you know, down a rabbit hole, obviously like there's so much to, to look through that. But I, I obviously haven't looked through it all.

[00:42:23] There's just too much, too much information. And there's a lot of information that I can access. You know, I've tried, I'm, I'm not Native American myself. I don't have Native American blood in me. Um, I've reached out to our local tribes. Uh, but they, they don't want, you know, anything to do with this. So there, there's, I have not been able to, I just want to, I want to make sure that's out there.

[00:42:51] I've not talked to any, you know, tribal leaders, um, about any of this or gotten their opinion. I've just read what I could from books on the subject as well as, you know, articles online and things like that. Um, so yeah. So as I looked into this, I, I dove down a huge rabbit hole that it kind of included, you know, primordial beings and as well as a concept known as chaotic waters.

[00:43:20] Um, which, which nearly every major religion I looked into, including a majority, if not all of the first nations and Native American beliefs, you know, talk about it. It's very strange. Um, like I said, every, and, and not just the Native American, you know, and first nation tribes. I'm talking about every religion. So every religion I looked into spoke about this mysterious cosmic substance.

[00:43:51] I will refer to as chaotic water. You know, it's not always referred to as that, but a lot of these religions talk about it. You know, they call it chaotic water. Um, so this chaotic water, it seems to be some sort of portal or doorway where those primordial beings, particularly, particularly the gods or beings of extraordinary power are able to literally pull not only other beings from, but also places and things. Right.

[00:44:21] So I picture, I picture this as, as like, uh, the place in stranger things where 11 goes when she's kind of like mentally searching. You know, it's like dark and she's like walking on, you know, a little bit of water. I kind of picture it as something like that. Um, we don't really have a clear uniform description of this place and ancient cultures had different names for it. You know, like the Sumerians and the Babylonians knew it as Abzu.

[00:44:50] The ancient Egyptians called it the new, uh, ancient Hindus called it the Ast. The Yazidis knew it as the Dur or the white pearl. Zoroastrians called it the Veruska. Abrahamic religions, you know, like, like Christianity and, and, uh, Judaism. And, you know, they, they refer to it as the Tehom. So it's even in, you know, the Bible, they talk about it in the Bible.

[00:45:20] Uh, and they refer to it as the Tehom, you know, I believe the quote from the Bible is let there be a firm firmament in the midst of the waters and let it, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And that's Genesis, you know, six. I'm not, uh, I'm not really big up on the Bible myself, but I have talked to Gary Wayne about this. I've had him on my show.

[00:45:47] Um, and I kind of, I asked him of all about this stuff. Um, and I think he, you know, a lot of what he says plays a role in what I'm going to get into really. I haven't actually talked to him. He's been someone I've been wanting to reach out to, but I never have. I just kind of, I just go with whoever reached out to me. That's how we do the episodes. I don't. Yeah, man. He's. If I don't hunt too many people down. He's an interesting man.

[00:46:15] I mean, he's got, he's a wealth of knowledge. That's for sure. Like he's, you could ask him pretty much anything that deals with. Not even the Bible, just like ancient gods and beings. And, and he's, he knows about them. So like, like I asked Gary Wayne about this, you know, you know, I, I kind of had this theory that the tay home was kind of like a primordial being in itself. However, I couldn't, I couldn't get him to agree to this, you know, but he kind of sold me on, on the idea that.

[00:46:46] And, and maybe it talks about this in the Bible and I just wasn't picking it up, but he kind of sold me on this idea that there was, you know, a whole. Another world before this world. And, you know, God just totally, they often talk about the flood being the reset, right? But I'm talking, we're talking about a flood before the flood, like a total flood that just knocked out everything.

[00:47:10] Um, that's kind of what he explained, explained it as. However, I still kind of feel like the tay home is almost a primordial being in itself. Uh, but yeah, that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with, with the Bennington triangle. But, uh, but like I said, I mean, a lot of these major religions talk about this, this chaotic water.

[00:47:35] Um, even like North Norse mythology is somewhat of an outlier. There's no like official chaotic water. However, their primordial God was seemingly born from the melting waters where Mosulheim and Jotunheim met. You know, so like the fires of, of, of Mosulheim kind of melted the ice from, from Jotunheim.

[00:48:00] And from that, their God, you know, their, their, their, their primordial, uh, creator God was born. Um, and that's just a handful of names that, uh, from major religions, both historic and modern that include, you know, cosmic water and their historical makeup. So there's also, you know, kind of this idea that within these primordial waters before creation had even taken place,

[00:48:27] that there still existed gods, you know, I kind of mentioned them before, known as primordials. And these are the gods that, that these would be like first generation gods. Uh, so these primordial gods are the creators of all other gods, right? They play a role as often. Is that my computer doing that? What are you hearing? Sorry. I didn't, I didn't know if you heard that or not. It keeps beeping. I don't know how to turn it off though.

[00:48:57] So I don't hear anything. All right. Sorry. Uh, so yeah. So like, I'm not talking about gods like Zeus or Thor or Anubis or, or Kronos or the Titans. Like, I don't, I don't know how, how, you know, how big you are into like Nephilim talk and things like that. But this is kind of going down those lines.

[00:49:18] You know, when you, you think of all these, these gods and all these, you know, polytheistic religions and mythologies of you, you kind of think you got to think of them in terms of, of they're all kind of their own Nephilim almost. Right. I don't, this is kind of what Gary Wayne talks about. Um, so it's kind of the way that I took it as.

[00:49:42] So these primordial gods, they're not, they would be, you know, first generation, not, you know, not like Zeus or Thor or the ones that I had just mentioned. I'm talking more about like gods like Ra or Gaia or chaos, Tartarus, a lot of Native American and first nation tribes talk about the great spirit. You know, there's, there's just too many dimensions. There's, there's so many.

[00:50:06] Um, now, like I said, or I don't know if I said this or not, but this is, this is really just a theory and a theory that I'm continuously working on. But from what I've gathered from talking with people like Gary Wayne and digging into topics like, uh, immortal beings, like the Fae, like, uh, the Tuatha Dei or the, the Noonhine. Um, I think that it plays a role within the triangle.

[00:50:34] So, yeah, so I kind of dove into all this, this God talk, you know, after I had read about this Abenaki creator God and this God's name was Talbaldak. Or that, that's what, uh, we would know him as. Um, like I said, you know, I'm not an indigenous tribe member. So I, I, I just want to, I really want to point that out. You know, I don't necessarily know exactly what I'm talking about because I'm not a tribal member.

[00:51:01] So, um, but what I do, but what I do know is that, um, Talbaldak is a creator God. That's unique to the Abenaki.

[00:51:16] And the Abenaki, you know, is one of the tribe that make up the Wabanaki Confederacy and is considered, you know, one of these primordials who existed within the chaotic waters, which is described in Abenaki lore as an empty colorless plain. So the Wabanaki Confederacy, there's five tribes.

[00:51:40] Um, I think I listed them off further down the line, but the Abenaki is one of those tribes and they kind of make up the, you know, Native American tribes and in Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, and up into Canada. And throughout those tribes, Talbaldak is really only a creator God to the Abenaki. And like I said, they say he lives on this mountain, this Glastonbury mountain, right?

[00:52:10] But yeah, you know, like there's just so, I can't, I can't stress enough how, how much there is to read. So I, I'm really trying to piece this together as I go. Um, but I don't believe these, these primordial beings were actual gods, you know, creating bits of the world from nothing and then piecing it together like a puzzle. Um, you know, I have pondered that idea, but obviously that doesn't, it doesn't, doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

[00:52:35] Um, I do believe they were powerful beings, you know, like the Nephilim or the Fae who were able to do fantastical things like create life from the natural world or destroy it completely. You know, these are things that, you know, the indigenous people like the Abenaki had never seen before, but would attribute, you know, to these beings being gods.

[00:53:03] Uh, you know, you know, we have to keep in mind, I don't really know how to put this. Uh, so there's the Abenaki, obviously, you know, this, this Wabanaki Confederacy and these, these Native American tribes that we know of today, you know, they've been around for a while. I don't, I didn't, you know, I don't know exactly how long, but there were tribes that came before them. Right. Um, and so those are the tribes that really interest me.

[00:53:32] You know, I think a lot of the, the stories that are passed down through, you know, these tribes over these years, they originate from these, these pre-tribes. I don't, I don't necessarily know what they're called, but, you know, these tribes that existed before the Abenaki were actually in place. Um, so their, their stories are essentially stories that have been passed down, you know, orally for equally.

[00:54:02] You know, thousands and thousands of years. Kind of like how, you know, like, uh, the Sphinx and the Great Pyramid were probably in Egypt long before the Egyptians were there. Right. You know, but then the Egyptians kind of took, took those over, claim them as their own. Um, it's kind of like that, you know, but, but story-wise and, and, you know, when it comes to like gods and things like that.

[00:54:31] Um, so the Abenaki who lived around Glastonbury during the last few centuries weren't the same indigenous culture who lived there thousands of years ago, which is important to know. Like I said, especially when it comes to investigating the origins of Taubaldac and who he actually was. You know, I call it the, the Viracocha effect. Now, I don't know if you know who Viracocha was.

[00:54:54] He was a pre-Incan, uh, he was pre-Incan as well as an Incan creator god who essentially came from somewhere else. He looked completely different, you know, than any other gods or any of the Incan people. You know, he had, he had pale white skin. Um, he had a beard. You know, he carried books. They didn't have, you know, there's, there's carvings of him and they looked like he's holding books.

[00:55:22] You know, they, they didn't have books back then. Uh, so I kind of, it's almost like the same thing. Um, we don't necessarily need to get into, to, uh, Viracocha, but the story of Viracocha raises tons of questions for me. You know, was he a member of the Nical? Did he come from, you know, the other world like the Tuathidae or the Nuneheim? Was he a Nephilim? You know, these are all questions that I think of when I think of, of Taubaldac and where he came from.

[00:55:51] He's already connected to the old world god. Uh, gods that are reported to be, you know, Nephilim. Um, if you listen, you know, agree with people like Gary Wayne. And they're also, you know, created through this chaotic water concept. So I took a closer look at the mountain. And while we're thinking, you know, weird things have been going on for hundreds of years.

[00:56:18] I kind of feel like the most important piece of lore is the fact that the, you know, the Abenaki believe the mountain is cursed in the existence of these man eating rocks. Right. I kind of breezed over that subject, but, you know, there's stories of these man eating rocks on the mountain. Uh, where you, you, you know, the Abenaki talked about and you step on a rock in a certain place and it'll just eat you whole.

[00:56:45] Um, I've always pictured these as, as like, you know, portals to somewhere else. Right. Mm-hmm. You know, and these are, you know, legends that go back to the original inhabitants. Uh, and they're the most reliable in my mind. You know, the, the, the, the Native American stories, I feel like are more reliable than, you know, the stories told by the settlers and things like that.

[00:57:11] Um, in one of these, you know, original mysteries from the mountain that it's not necessarily paranormal. Um, it's kind of fairly mundane on the surface, but it, it tends to, to be left out of the triangle lore. And those are, you know, they're stories of these, these mysterious stone karns that are on the mountain, you know, the mountain top.

[00:57:37] So about 500 feet from the summit, there are these five stone karns. Now, a stone karn is kind of like a bunch of stacked stones, you know. Uh, but these, these specific karns, they're nothing like the stacked stones that you see by the river or something like that. You know, rock gardens or whatever people make. Uh, these karns are, are short and wide, but they clearly mark something. And it's not a trail.

[00:58:05] A lot of people think that, you know, these karns were marking trails of some sort. There were no trails to be marked when these were made. Um, you know, like the, the collective thought of these, these stone karns by people much smarter than me, obviously, is that they were built for some religious or, or ritualistic purpose.

[00:58:27] Uh, now these smarter people are, are members of like, you know, New England Antiquities Research Association or NERA. Now, these guys have done scientific evaluations on the karns and have come to the conclusion that they, they aren't only designed to be ritualistic, but they're also very old, you know, potentially thousands of years old. So they date back before the Abenaki were there.

[00:58:54] Um, you know, you can't necessarily date stone, but through moss growth and some, I don't know, crazy scientific method, uh, NERA was able to date this collection of five karns. You know, they call them ancient. Uh, and I'm a pretty big karn guy. You know, I like, there's a lot of weird stone things going on here in New England, right? I, I find them pretty fascinating.

[00:59:23] You know, we're, New England is full of mysterious stone structures. One of which, which I, I think could play a role in what's going on in the triangle is a place near, uh, the New Hampshire seacoast and it's called America's Stonehenge or Mystery Hill. You know, it plays a role, or at least I think it plays a role in what's going on in the triangle. Kind of going back to the beginning.

[00:59:52] Uh, now America's Stonehenge is a collection of stone ruins, sits on about 12 acres of land in Salem, New Hampshire. This is, so this is, this is Salem, New Hampshire, not Salem, Massachusetts. You know, there's no witches up here. Um, they burn them all. Uh, so not much is known about this place, obviously, other than it's about 4,000 years old.

[01:00:16] Maybe, uh, you know, but a lot of people think that it's a hoax, you know, like some farmer made it or something. But a lot of people, you know, we have all sorts of, of stone structures here in New England that, that people are like, oh, that's a, you know, that's a root cellar. You know, some farmer made that or blah, blah, blah. Even, I don't know what, where, where are you from exactly? I'm in Indiana. You guys have like stone walls and things out there?

[01:00:47] Not that I'm aware of. There are some places that have like old building ruins or whatever. So here, there's, there was a place where I used to work and we were doing this highway work and you can see the old chimney off in the woods, but there was never any road or driveway or anything. And it was in the middle of this woods.

[01:01:10] So we always said it was like an old, uh, shiner still or something that they did back in the old days, but it was made of brick and it was still off in the woods. But you can see somewhat of a foundation. So I'm assuming at one point there had to have been a house or something out there, but it wasn't anything like that. And then there are some places that have like little underground bunker entrances, but I don't know if anyone's ever actually. Oh, that's interesting. That's really cool.

[01:01:40] Cause we have places like that too. They're like, they look like, you know, they call them stone chambers here in new England. And I think there's quite a few in Maine too, as well. I talked with, uh, Mark about this a lot. Um, these stone chambers, you know, nobody knows who made them or what they're for. You know, people have all sorts of theories on them. Um, but they're like, you know, a farmer didn't make this. They're not made by a farmer. You know, they have like beehive ceilings.

[01:02:08] So these slabs are rocks that, that weigh like tons. Like I don't even know thousands and thousands of pounds are like intricate, intricately stacked together to make these roofs. And they're like rooms underground, right? You crawl through a little tiny hole. A lot of them are aligned to like the summer or winter solstice. So that, you know, at the right time, the sun will shine through the opening and it'll, you know, some of these have like quartz crystals in the back.

[01:02:36] And the sun will hit the quartz and it'll light up the whole room. Like a farmer didn't take the time to make that. You know, they, they had so much shit to worry about that they, they were not worried about making these, these crazy ass rooms. But, you know, science, you know, archaeologists don't necessarily want to get involved at all, which is off, you know, it's weird. Some of them are excavated, but nobody really ever comes to any conclusions about them.

[01:03:05] But that, that's only one thing, right? Those, these stone chambers. We also have stone walls. Now I always, I never thought anything about stone walls. Growing up in New England, there's stone walls everywhere. There's like 300,000 miles worth of stone walls. And I, I did, you know, Mark does a lot of stuff on, on stone structures. So I did an episode with him about this, but there was like a time period.

[01:03:30] It was like a 40 year period where 300,000 miles of stone walls were supposedly built to keep in sheep. You know, there, there was, there was a huge sheep boom in New England back in the mid 1800s. And supposedly all these stone walls were made to keep the sheep in, but I, you know. A lot of sheep. What? That's a lot of sheep. Oh yeah. No, there was like, there were more sheep than people in New England at one point.

[01:03:58] But, you know, after doing the research on it, I don't necessarily think I believe that there's just two, you know, like I'm telling you, there's stone walls everywhere. Everywhere you look, there's going to be a stone wall. But, you know, I think it all kind of plays together at one point, you know, and it all come together. But obviously I don't have the answer for that. But yeah, anyway, this place is called Mystery Hill. You know, it's called, they call it America's Stonehenge.

[01:04:24] It's a collection of, of, of underground chambers and stone walls and, and blah, blah, blah that sit on, you know, 12 acres of land in New Hampshire. You know, there's, there's like standing stones that are kind of in a circle around the main complex, I guess you could say, which kind of mark important days of the year. So it's astronomically aligned.

[01:04:51] Each, each standing stone kind of aligns to a different, you know, time of the year. And it just kind of, you know, those stones surround these underground chambers and everything. So what, you know, what could ancient stone ruins hundreds of miles away in a completely different state have to do with the triangle? Well, I think it all comes down to these, these stone karns that are on the mountain.

[01:05:15] So I scoured the internet for karns that looked the same or similar, right? I wanted to see if I could find out who made these specific karns and if they've been made anywhere else. And while there are karns and standing stones all over the world, like literally there's, there's, you know, people make karns everywhere, right? I really didn't find anything that looked the same. You know, they're always different.

[01:05:45] That was until I stumbled across a group, you know, an ancient culture called the red paint people. Now, the red paint people were an ancient, you know, culture that seemed to thrive along the main sea coast at some time. Thousands and thousands of years, you know. Not a whole lot is known about these people except that they lived between two and six thousand years ago.

[01:06:12] They were avid deep sea fishermen and they buried their dead with red and sometimes yellow ochre, which is where, you know, they get their name from. You know, like I said, not much is known about these people. Their bones have pretty much dissolved within the acidic soil, leaving behind only the red paint in their graves. So that's, you know, that's where they get their name from.

[01:06:36] I think, I think some bones have been found, but they, I don't, I don't believe they've been able to get any DNA markers out of them. But there are two things that caught my attention and that was their advanced knowledge of seafaring and the stone karns they left behind. Particularly the stone karns at the, the Hurundu Wildlife Refuge in Maine. They're exactly the same as the stone karns on Glastonbury Mountain.

[01:07:07] You know, which led me to believe that these ancient seafaring people could have made, you know, the stone karns that are on Glastonbury Mountain. So there's other karns that I know of in this area, but they don't look anything like the ones on Glastonbury Mountain. And given the age and given the age of these red paint people.

[01:07:34] And the fact that we really don't know anything about them, you know, we don't know, you know, where they went, what happened to them, why they died out. We don't know anything about these people. Like they could have very well have migrated from the coast inland. Right. Right. So now Mystery Hill comes into play when we try to figure out who the red paint people are or were and where they came from.

[01:08:01] So, and Salem, Salem, New Hampshire, you know, isn't isn't far away from. That far away from Maine, you know, the seacoast in Maine, where these red paint people were said to thrive. At least said to thrive, you know. Thousands of years ago. But like I said, a lot of the graves where these red paint people were originally kind of discovered have been destroyed. There was no bones left.

[01:08:31] The only thing there is to mark that they were red paint people were the red paint that was left over. So most of these these graves were just destroyed when when settlers were creating farmland. So this is why we don't know a whole lot about them. So I'm like, you know, back at Mystery Hill or America's Stonehenge on a stone within the ruins is an inscription.

[01:08:59] That may give insight as to who built America's Stonehenge or who the red paint people were. Now it's written in Phoenician. And it's late. And it's dedicated to ball, you know, the the the the ancient god. I'm assuming you've heard of ball before. Yeah, there's I don't want to dive a whole lot into it on the show, but like there's a whole big thing going on with that right now.

[01:09:30] Right now. There's some other shows that have been diving into ball. Really? Yeah, that's fucking weird. Yeah, I'll talk to you about it here. All fair. Yeah, that's super weird. So, yeah, that that inscription is that is that. You know, Mystery Hill, it's in Phoenician. Now, the Phoenicians, you know, there were.

[01:10:00] This ancient seafaring race of, you know, people that kind of just like went all over the world pretty much. Uh, and another clue that's found at Mystery Hill. Mystery Hill deals with one of the alignment stone. It's a stone known as the summer sunrise stone. So the specific stone is aligned, obviously, with the summer equinox.

[01:10:22] And you can trace a straight line from this stone through the center of one of the triathlons at, you know, the actual Stonehenge. And if you continue that line, it runs all the way straight through to Lebanon. Or I guess Lebanon, you know, which is actually the ancestral home of the Phoenicians. So does this actually mean anything? Probably not.

[01:10:47] But it could, you know, a lot of these ancient people were really dedicated to, you know, this archaeoastrology and things like that. But other evidence, you know, includes a Phoenician inscription that was found in Maine. You know, there's a lake in upstate Vermont, you know, way up north on the Canadian border that borders, you know, Vermont and Canada.

[01:11:15] That's called Memphra Magog, you know, and that's a very biblical name, especially when it comes to, you know, from a, you know, the name of the lake comes from a pre-existing Abenaki word. Or I guess saying that means where there is a big expanse of water. I don't know if that has anything to do with anything at all. I have no idea. However, just the fact that it has Magog in it, you know, and we're talking about Phoenicians. Interest me.

[01:11:47] Yeah. And how it has to do, you know, it's a pre-existing Abenaki word or name. So it was embedded within, you know, the Algonquin speaking family group, which is where the Abenaki come from. Um, it's just, you know, I'd mentioned, you know, these ancient tribes that came before the Abenaki and all these other tribes we know of. It, it, it can kind of confusing, I guess, but who knows?

[01:12:15] When it comes to like, like the Abenaki, I want to call him Abenaki and I don't know why. Like, I keep thinking that name for some reason. I don't know why that keep popping in my head, but every time you say it, it's all I can think of is Abenaki. But for them, do we know whatever, like what happened with them too?

[01:12:41] Because I know like most of the indigenous peoples we've all kind of pushed out of there. But were they, was there still any remnants of them? I mean, there's like, yeah, there's, there's still like tribe members and they have groups and things here, but there's no like Abenaki reservation. Right. Yeah. They kind of just like assimilated within, you know, the rest of us.

[01:13:08] The area that I live in is Miami Indian is what they call themselves. So I'm not trying to say the discriminatory word of Indian, but like they call themselves the Miami Indians and they are the tribe that live in the area that I live. I live in Miami County, which I'm assuming is named after the fact that the Miami Indians are prevalent through here, but they're not a recognized tribe, which I don't understand how that.

[01:13:37] I don't understand like the politics of any of that, of how you become a recognized tribe, but for some reason, I don't either. I don't either. For here, that's what they are. They have their own little area and it's not a reservation, but they have their own lands where they do some like horse stuff and they have an old school that they use for right now. They have a haunted house going on. So they raise money for things and they do like certain aspects.

[01:14:03] So again, they're, they're prevalent through here and I've actually tried to reach out to one of the people that's part of the actual. He's not an elder, but like he's one of the ones that runs the thing and I never got a response back about something, but I always feel like when it comes to like original indigenous people's areas, they have a lot of stories and a lot of folklore and legends that we might write off as.

[01:14:33] Just that stories and folklore, but why do they make that up? What influence that? Right. Yeah. That's where I've always been interested in is like finding out what the actual. Influence was to why they tell the stories that they tell them for some reason there's, they don't talk about it. I understand we're not part of the tribe, but. I would always love to sit down with someone just to listen. Right. Yeah. That's exactly the, you know, problem that I've run into.

[01:15:03] Like nobody wants to talk about this with me. You know, I've, I've reached out. I've reached out about several other things as well, but they're very, at least I've only ever reached out to, you know, the Abenaki tribe and they're very private. You know, I don't know about other tribes, but I'm sure it's the same. Yeah. So that's the one I've reached out to is here. Like recently read my local one and I haven't heard anything back. So maybe someday. Right. Yeah.

[01:15:34] But yeah, I mean, I do think that the stories that they tell are, are more credible. They have a lot of credibility behind them just because they're so old and what, you know, I don't, they talk about a lot of strange things that I don't think that they would have just made up. Right. Right. Definitely witness something. And that's kind of what this whole, my whole theory is based off of, but it goes deeper than that.

[01:16:01] You know, there's kind of hinges on who came before the Abenaki were here is what I'm really trying to get at, you know, and I feel like. The Phoenicians could have very well have been here before the Abenaki, you know, about to get into why I think that. Um, and that, you know, there's a good chance that some of them stayed here and they pre-existed the Abenaki and then the Abenaki kind of came in and kind of took over from there.

[01:16:32] You know, other than, then, you know, Lake Memphramagog or Mystery Hill, you know, other examples that I have would be like the stone chambers that nobody knows anything about who built these stone chambers. Some people think they were Phoenicians. Some people think they were, you know, ancient Celtic chambers. You know, there's all sorts of different theories on them as well as the stone walls.

[01:16:57] Uh, and then we have like, you know, the Island Royale copper mind, their copper mind, uh, you know, and I think, you know, did the copper harbor ship is a, is like, uh, uh, the carving in Lake Superior and Copper Harbor. There's this huge, um, chunk of copper that kind of like, I don't know how it got there. It got there somehow.

[01:17:22] Um, but on this, this, this chunk of copper, there's a carving of what looks like a Phoenician ship. Um, and, and I know that a sixth century BC replica Phoenician ship sailed from Tunisia to the Dominican Republic and then to north to, uh, to Florida. So the Phoenicians, they could have made it this far.

[01:17:47] Um, and, uh, the dates, they kind of add up to the sea people though. So the Phoenicians would have been on, you know, they would have been, uh, very near, uh, the 2000 year mark. So some people believe these, these, these red paint people existed up to 6,000 years ago. Um, but you know, I, I really have no idea.

[01:18:13] And if that's the case, then it could not have been the Phoenicians, but they, they were also here as, as, as early as 2000 years ago. And that definitely fits the timeline. Um, so yeah. So, you know, is it possible that this mysterious seafaring culture was actually a seafaring culture that we know about, you know, the Phoenicians? I, I think it's very possible that it could have been the Phoenicians.

[01:18:38] There's lots of, it's strange that there's so many, you know, well, I guess there's not a, a ton, but there is a lot of, why is there these Phoenician relics? I guess you would call them around here, you know, like the, the, the, the, the, the Copper Harbor carving or the, the, the, the ball carving at Mystery Hill or this one in, in Maine, you know, who, why, why would there be Phoenician things here?

[01:19:05] If they, they weren't here to begin with, I don't think that, that people are just running around carving Phoenician stuff, you know, hundreds of years ago as some sort of hoax. So, yeah, so this, this advanced seafaring culture fits into the, the 2000 year period. Um, but they weren't the only highly advanced ship, uh, they were, uh, highly advanced shipbuilders, which I think plays a role in, in how they could have got here.

[01:19:33] You know, they're prevalent colonizers as well as ambition, ambitious merchants. You know, they were the first to use iron nails in their shipbuilding as well as the first to sail around Africa from the Red Sea to the Mediterranean, you know, setting up colonies and ports of trade as, you know, as they went. And I think it was on this expedition where they kind, you know, some of them got lost and, and sailed to America.

[01:19:59] So there's this theory that, you know, old world, the old world bronze age was powered by new world copper. And it was, you know, this need for copper and its incredible value that drove, you know, people like the Phoenicians to new lands, right? So it, it would have been this search for copper that drove them to America.

[01:20:19] Um, so in 380 BC, the Greek historian Theopompus wrote of a large island west of Gibraltar, told to him by a Phoenician sailor, you know, was this North America? That was one kind of, you know, thing that I pulled out of the history books that I thought was pretty interesting.

[01:20:40] Um, but, you know, like I said, this is all a working theory, so, but it does seem to fit fairly well in my mind. Uh, you know, science will probably never accept the thought that Phoenicians made it to North America. I mean, Vikings built a settlement on Newfoundland, right? But they refused to believe that they, they, Vikings could have made it any farther south.

[01:21:07] You know, they, like, there's tons of evidence in Maine or Massachusetts or even, you know, even south Newfoundland that there were Vikings there. But they, they still refused to believe that they could have made it any further than, than the tip of Newfoundland. Uh, so it's no wonder that there's been so much pushback against, you know, pre-Columbian Phoenician contact.

[01:21:31] Um, so I guess just to recap really quick, you know, we have a mysterious mountain at the center of the Bennington Triangle. Uh, we have old world god rumored to live on that mountain. We have ritualistic stones stacked near the summit of the mountain, uh, that are thousands of years old, centuries older than the Abenaki or the original settlers. We have an unknown seafaring people who could have come from the old world, possibly Phoenicians or maybe even Celtic. You know, it's possible.

[01:22:01] Uh, did these people migrate from the seacoast to Glastonbury Mountain? As the ritualistic Carnes would suggest, is it possible that a godlike entity existed on Mount Glastonbury? Those are kind of the questions that I've been pondering. Now, like I said before, this is a working theory. So I'm constantly doing research on this. Uh, there's probably so much more information that I simply just can't access at the time.

[01:22:28] But there's another connection between Maine and the Bennington Triangle that deals with another godlike creature. So from what I understand, the Wabanaki confederate consists of five tribes. The Maliseet, the Macaac, uh, or the Micmac, the Pass, gee, this one's, this one's difficult. The Passamaquoddy, the Penobscot, and the Abenaki. So those are the five tribes of the confederation.

[01:22:56] And out of those five tribes, the Penobscot and the Abenaki share very similar beliefs when it comes to Taubaldac versus the Great Spirit. So the majority of the confederation believe in the Great Spirit, uh, being the creator god. While the, the Abenaki and the Penobscot, which are from Maine, you know, southern Maine, believe in Taubaldac being the, the, the creator god.

[01:23:23] Uh, but other than believe, you know, believing in Taubaldac, these two tribes tell stories of a god, preacher, named Pomola. You know, this is a thunderbird-like chimera with the ability to control the wings that resides on a, you know, this mountain. It's the tallest mountain in Maine called Mount Katahdin.

[01:23:46] And so this, this, this, this thunderbird god, you know, it has the head of a moose, the body of a man, you know, and the, the wings and claws of an eagle. And it's described in the stories, you know, in the legends as being the pet of Taubaldac. It's also, you know, kind of sounds an awful lot like one of the Nephilim that Gary Wayne talks about.

[01:24:13] You know, he suggests that, that Nephilim survived the flood and that there were different, you know, different tribes of Nephilim that looked different, right? There, you know, there's eagles, there were lions, uh, you know, rams and, and, and bulls, you know, these, these Nephilim that kind of looked like, you know, eagles and rams and things like that. And that they kind of, um, kind of spread out throughout the world.

[01:24:41] It wasn't just, they didn't just stay within the Holy Land. So I did, you know, I did some research on, um, the Oni from Japanese lore. This is just a side thing. I did some research on the Oni and I'm pretty sure that the Oni, which are, you know, demon-like giants of Japanese lore. I'm pretty sure the Oni were Nephilim, right? They talk about them having six fingers like the Nephilim, you know, you can only kill them if you cut off their heads.

[01:25:10] You know, this is all like, when you talk about the Nephilim, you talk about how you have to cut their heads off, how they had six fingers, you know, things like that. So, you know, it's just another example of, of how they, how they spread throughout the world. Um, so, you know, when you think in those kinds of terms, you know, this, this, this, um, Pomola being sounds an awful lot like one of the Nephilim.

[01:25:37] Um, uh, now if Pomola is a Nephilim, what is Talbaldak, right? I guess that's the main question that I was kind of getting at. Common sense would dictate that Talbaldak is a Nephilim as well, right? Well, I know, uh, I kind of dropped a lot of convoluted details, but there is one piece I want to drag back to the forefront. And that is the inscription found at Mystery Hill in New Hampshire. So, like I said, on, you know, the stone at the ruins is a Phoenician inscription.

[01:26:06] And the inscription says to Baal on behalf of the Canaanites, this is dedicated. Uh, so, you know, was Baal transported to this land? Did he arrive with the others? Did he come later? Was he conjured? Was something else conjured? We'll probably never know for sure. But there's one final piece of Mystery Hill that I think plays a role in who the Red Paint people could be and what Talbaldak is.

[01:26:34] And this piece is something called the Sacrificial Slab. Now, the slab of rock located at the center of the complex is relatively human-sized, as though it was placed there to support a body. You know, and that there are these drainage channels carved around the outside to allow blood to drain out, right? You know, so were they sacrificing people at Mystery Hill? You know, if they did, the bodies were... They're long gone now.

[01:27:04] There's, you know, this would have been thousands of years ago. But if they were, you know, what was the point of that? Were they making these sacrifices in Baal's name? And if so, to what end? You know, I believe that whatever they were pulling from was some sort of Nephilim-like creature. I don't know if it was Baal himself.

[01:27:28] That whoever Talbaldak is, I think he's some sort of old-world Nephilim that now resides within the Bennington Triangle. You know, these red paint people, you know, they were worshipping him up there at some point. And now he's just, I guess, laid dormant until... I guess they cut down all the trees back in the Triangle when they had their...

[01:27:53] You know, they were cutting all these trees down to make a charcoal with. It kind of woke him up, maybe. I don't know. This is just kind of the theory that I've been working with. You know, he was putting off some sort of energy that was, you know... They were hearing inhuman screams and seeing shadow people in the woods. And the Abenaki said this land was cursed. You know, so he was putting off some sort of paranormal energy at some point.

[01:28:21] But I think he's really putting off some more energy now. That, you know, he's kind of woken up, I guess. That's kind of what I have on Tallball Deck. I mean, I tried to put it as much as I could into kind of like a timeline as best as I could. But there was a lot to go there. But while I was looking into Tallball Deck, I came across a chemist.

[01:28:50] Now, this is all allegedly. So, this guy, he's dead. He's not alive anymore. And I don't want to soil his good name. So, this is all allegedly. However, I came across rumors of a secret cryonic lab. So, they were doing work in cryonics.

[01:29:14] And it was supposedly inside this mountain called Mount Equinox. Which is, you know, a few miles away from the Bennington Triangle. And then this is Dr. Davidson. He's connected to like Oak Ridge Labs. He's connected to... He led a team that was pretty much directly under Oppenheimer in developing the nuclear bomb.

[01:29:41] Like, this dude was into some serious top secret work. And I think he could be... Now, this is all... You know, I don't... I don't want to get in trouble for saying this. And I don't know if I can get in trouble for saying this or not. But he... You know, this top secret lab could be behind why those five people went missing. In the 1940s.

[01:30:10] You know, the timelines all add up. Dr. Davidson would have just been getting back from Oak Ridge Labs when those first people started going missing. He... You know, this guy was like... He definitely had some money. So, he bought 11 miles worth of this mountain. And he built all these like... He built like a... An old... He wanted to make a ski resort on the mountain, right? So, he started to build a ski lodge.

[01:30:40] He built a ski lodge. And then... Let's see if I can find the dude's name. I want his full name. Um... Well, let me just start from the beginning, I guess. This won't take very long. I don't... I'm still kind of piecing this one definitely together. But... So... You know, earlier I had mentioned those several people who had gotten missing within the triangle. Now, this was just a complete mystery during the 1940s and 50s.

[01:31:10] But it's still pretty much a complete mystery today. You know, only one of them was ever found. Even she was found several months after. But the rest of them have never been found. Nothing has ever been found of them. You know, maybe they're... They're in some sort of crevice up there. But I mean... This is Vermont. It's not like... You know, this mountain is only 4,000 feet tall. It's not like a 14,000 foot mountain, right?

[01:31:40] There's not a whole lot of places that you can hide a body for that long, I feel like. Especially when the mountain's been scoured. And was scoured. You know, not long after these people went missing. So I feel like if they went missing on accident, like they fell down or hit their head or something, right? And rolled into... I don't know. A hole in the ground. Someone would have found them right now. So it is...

[01:32:10] Still strange that no one has ever found not even one body other than Frida Langer. But she doesn't necessarily count because she was found fairly recently after she went missing. So yeah. Again, so we had Mitty Rivers who went missing on November 12, 1945. Paula Weldon, December 1, 1946. James Tedford, December 1, 1949. Paul Jepsen, October 1950.

[01:32:38] And Frida Langer, October 1950. So there, you know... Like I said earlier, I don't like to put a lot of stock in this serial killer theory. Right? I want to talk about, like, these man-eating stones. You know, did one of these people step on a man-eating stone and, like, get transported to another realm or something? You know, that's the kind of stuff I want to talk about. But then I found Dr. Davidson in his secret cryonics lab. And I really got to wondering,

[01:33:08] you know, were these people taken by Dr. Davidson to be, like, you know, test subjects? I don't, you know, I don't know. This would have been... If everything adds up properly, this would have been right around the time when his lab, the secret lab, would have been starting off. One thing, you know, there's really not, like, there's not a whole lot of evidence of what happened to these people. One thing that does jump out to me is the time of year that the different disappearances took place,

[01:33:38] you know, in the fall between October and December. What this means, I don't know. There's really no specific pattern other than the months they took place. But there are some peculiar facts, and that is Paul De Weldon and James Tedford, I believe, to have gone missing on the same day, December 1st, three years apart. And there's a two-week period between the disappearance of Paul Jepsen and Frieda Langer in October of 1950. Four of the five individuals

[01:34:09] were wearing a red jacket of some kind. There are several theories of what happened to these people, the most obvious of which is the serial killer theory, which, like I said, I don't necessarily took a lot of stock in until I found, you know, Dr. Joseph George Davidson in his secret cryonics lab. A little background. I always like to get into the history of things. So Dr. Davidson was an incredibly successful chemist, inventor,

[01:34:39] and businessman who would end up buying 11 square miles of Mount Equinox in Manchester, Vermont to retire on. So he was born on February 7, 1892 and would go on to receive his doctorate in chemistry from Columbia University in 1918. He would then take his doctorate and put it to good use for the military during World War I. As a first lieutenant in the army, Davidson would help

[01:35:08] develop mustard gas for the front lines. Like I'm telling you, this dude was, he did some serious military work. Um, and I think that it plays a role in, you know, what, what, uh, I think his military work definitely plays a role in this secret lab. So, um, but this wouldn't be the only time that he collaborated with the army. So in fact, Dr. Davidson would partake in the biggest scientific breakthrough probably ever,

[01:35:38] right? Dr. Davidson would head Union Carbine's contract to produce enriched uranium gaseous diffusion in the K25 building at Oak Ridge Labs under the Manhattan Project. So this guy, he operated a top secret base, you know, a top secret lab out of the toppest of top secret orders, right? He, he wasn't just some grunt pushing switches. you know, this guy, he was in the know. This guy was in charge. Um,

[01:36:10] I can only imagine how, you know, many connections Dr. Davidson would have made in the military industrial complex, you know, as team leader of this, this diffusion process. Uh, and I don't think this is the last time Dr. Davidson would operate a secret lab, like I said. So after the war, Dr. Davidson would return to Mount Equinox where he would begin buying land. You know, he had begun

[01:36:39] buying land in 1939. So where does, you know, this mysterious cryonics lab come into play? Well, several years ago, a cryptic Wikipedia entry just appeared on the website, right? And this mysterious entry was about a secret cryonics lab. Now this cryonics deals with the freezing of human bodies in the hopes of, you know, reviving them during the thawing process, you know, in the future

[01:37:08] at some point. Uh, this specific cryonics lab was geared towards working with individuals who had high IQs. I haven't been able to find the original wiki page as it was eventually deleted, but essentially they were, were bordering on eugenics. This was like eugenic stuff, right? Um, and while not much is known about it, we do know that in the early 1960s, this cryonics lab went bottom up due to some sort of fraud case.

[01:37:39] Uh, so, even though it, it, it's supposedly a secret lab, somehow, some sort of fraud case was able to, to, you know, take this whole operation down. I don't, I don't know what, I don't necessarily know how that works or not, but it, it seems weird. It's, you know, it's almost like somebody knew about this lab, like it, and I want to say the military, right? The military knew about this lab

[01:38:09] and maybe something happened where Dr. Davidson pissed him off somehow and they kind of cut his funding. I don't know, I don't exactly know, I mean, but once you, you know, you, you operate a secret lab at, at Oak Ridge Labs, you're, you know, you could probably operate another secret lab wherever the hell you want, pretty much, is what I get the feeling. You know, Oak Ridge is definitely, they do some crazy shit there. You know, you hear about, like, you know, they have a super collider in there and they're

[01:38:39] trying to open portals and things, right? I kind of get the feeling that Dr. Davidson, this, this is just something that I, I get the feeling, you know, that Dr. Davidson found one of these man-eating rocks at some point, right? And told Oak Ridge Labs about it, you know, this, this, this, uh, interdimensional portal, told them about it and then, you know, that's how they started working on these interdimensional portals within Oak Ridge. I don't,

[01:39:09] I don't necessarily know if that's true or not, but it, you know, it's awfully strange how you have this, this Oak Ridge Lab scientist living right next to these ancient, uh, interdimensional portals. It, it's strange. Um, so the end, the, the, the Wikipedia entry also talked about a secret entrance located somewhere on the mountain. Uh, now no one I've talked to has ever found it, but I talked to several people who

[01:39:38] think they might've located it on Google Earth. They haven't been able to get out there and look. I've also talked to people from the historical society who say they've scoured the mountain for, you know, this secret lab that, you know, but they, they, nothing exists of it and they don't, they don't believe that it's real. Um, but we do know that there are caves on the mountain that caves that are so deep like the Skinner's cave. It's a cave on the mountain called Skinner's cave that they hold ice year around.

[01:40:09] Uh, now I'm not saying that means anything, but it could suggest that the entrance is in a cave, right? So Dr. Davidson's initial plan was to construct a ski resort on the mountain. And he contemplated this idea. And while he contemplated this idea, he built a lodge in a valley near the summit. And I couldn't get an exact year, but it was as early as 1939, uh, between 1939 and 1945.

[01:40:38] Now I, I couldn't get a whole lot of dates on anything. Uh, I had asked the historical society, but they didn't really know. But from what we do know, his friend Fred Pabst of Pabst Blue Ribbon, Brewing Company gave up on his own ski resort in East Dorset, which is not too far away from Manchester in the 1930s. So, so Fred Pabst convinced, uh, Dr. Davidson did not build a ski resort, right? So he had built

[01:41:07] a ski lodge and then he was convinced to not build the ski resort. So he gave up on that, but the lodge was still there. Um, and I believe the lab is located under the lodge. Uh, by 1947, he had finished construction on a five mile road from the bottom of the mountain to the top. By 1949, the Skyline Inn was opened. By 1953, Skyline Drive

[01:41:36] was fully paved. Now this is the longest privately owned paved road, uh, in the country. Um, in the late 1950s, Dr. Davidson would then befriend a Carthusian monk named Brother Paul. Brother Paul hadn't yet taken his vows, so he was still able to speak with Dr. Davidson and his wife, uh, and Davidson would end up renting his abandoned ski lodge to the

[01:42:05] order to use as their, their charter house. You know, their, their current charter house was, uh, not in a prime location. So they were, they were, you know, Dr. Davidson allowed them to use this abandoned ski lodge, you know, as their, their charter house. So, so who are the, the Carthulians, right? The Carthulians, and I'm totally saying that wrong, that is not, I can't pronounce their name, Carthusians or

[01:42:35] something like that, and my, my, my backwoods accent does not allow me to say this word. Um, the Carthulians are an, an enclosed Catholic religious order dating back nearly a thousand years. They take their name from the original hermitage constructed in the Chartouche mountains in, uh, 1080. They take a vow of silence, practice, uh, practice a unique ritual called the Carthusian Rite,

[01:43:04] and are famous for the wine they make. Now, after several years of friendship in the 1960s, Dr. Davidson began gifting parcels of land to the order, and they would remodel the abandoned lodge, turning it into the Charter House of Transfiguration. Now, you can, you can go, you can't necessarily go to this place today, but you can drive up Skyline Drive and you can see it. It's still operated. Monks still live there, um,

[01:43:33] and it just so happens that when they begin construction on this Charter House, supposedly, you know, the secret lab goes out of business. Isn't that, that's a little weird. And that's really, I mean, I got a lot of speculative stuff that I got, but, uh, those are really the facts that I know about, you know, like, this Chronix Lab is located beneath the Charter House is what I believe. It's in the perfect location, it's in this, you know, remote valley

[01:44:02] far away from prying eyes. The public aren't allowed there, right? The, you know, the order is there. You can't go necessarily anywhere near it. I think they opened it to the public for one day when, when it first opened in like the seventies. Yeah. I mean, those are really just the facts that I have. Dr. Davidson's, you know, dream resort may have been some sort of cover for something much more sinister, which would have been why the resort was never actually finished. Very possible that Dr. Davidson found,

[01:44:32] you know, like I said, one of these man-eating rocks and I really think, this is stupid, but I really think this, this, this man-eating rocks, these interdimensional sands, portals play a role in, you know, Dr. Davidson's fascination with the area and his work with Oak Ridge Labs. Yeah. I've heard Oak Ridge a lot, especially down in Tennessee. Right. Yeah. I think that's where they're located. Yeah, it is.

[01:45:01] And again, I don't like to use the word synchronicities, but when you mentioned Ball and Oak Ridge and there, there's a whole lot of stuff that's going on. And like I said, we can talk about it all fair because it's not something that I'm going to talk about on here, but yeah, there's just a lot of weird stuff, man, a lot of weird similarities and I don't believe in coincidences. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of, yeah, a lot of coincidences

[01:45:30] going on. I think within this whole thing that I put together, which is what I really piques my interest the most, like it seems like everything comes together in my mind, at least I might not have been able to convey it properly, right? Like I tried, but there is a lot of weird things that kind of all come together. It's strange. strange, but we can probably wrap this one up. We've been going on for almost two hours, so I

[01:46:00] feel like once we get to that two hour mark, the audience is either asleep or they just don't care at this point. Yeah, that's all I got anyway. That's it. Well, before we wrap this one up, I would like for you to let everyone know where they can find your podcast and everything else about you. Yeah, so like I said, it was almost canon. I mean, we're on, you know, all the podcasting platforms, Spotify, Apple, you know, all that good stuff. We got

[01:46:30] Facebook page, TikTok. I put out some videos on TikTok that I don't do on the podcast, you know, so it's always interesting to go there. Other than that, I mean, you can pretty much find us on any social media platform that's available. Do you think TikTok has helped you? I mean, it was through TikTok that I was able to get into the state park. Like I made a TikTok video on the state park and then they called me up and

[01:47:00] were like, hey, come here and do, you know, do a ghost hunt or something, right? So, I mean, other than that, probably not. I don't do TikTok. I don't do, I hate social media in general for the most part. I have a Facebook that I use, but other than that, I don't try and surround them with too much of it. And everyone's to keep saying, oh, you got to get a TikTok. You got to get a TikTok. I don't want to do it. I have one, but I don't utilize it. So, and I don't have video clips for the

[01:47:29] interviews that I do with people either because obviously we're not on camera right now. So, for me, it's like, what am I supposed to be doing for TikTok? Right. Yeah, same goes for me. I don't do video clips either. So, it's really just stuff that, you know, quick things I've researched. But, I mean, isn't TikTok being closed anyway? So, it's like, I joined late, you know, there's not really much to gain. I get, like, maybe a thousand views per video, but, you know, I don't necessarily think any of them

[01:48:04] who watch videos aren't necessarily going to listen to podcasts, you know, so, and I don't have a YouTube. I mean, I do, I put YouTube videos up, but I can't figure out the damn algorithm, right? Like, none of my videos on YouTube get any views. Mine don't either, and I've got over almost 1300 subscribers, and I get, like, maybe 20 to 30 views per episode. Right. So, I try, yeah, I don't do much video stuff either, but. my stuff's been banned a couple times, so I feel like because

[01:48:34] of the topics that get discussed, they've pretty much throttled my show. Right. I had a flat earth episode, which I'm not really a flat earther or anything like that, but one of the first episodes I did was a flat earth episode talking with this guy that's very well-known within the flat earth community, and it got 20 something or like 2000 and something views within 24 hours, and ever since in my YouTube has just been like non existing.

[01:49:05] Yeah. And tell me you don't throttle things by telling me you don't throttle things. Yeah, but I mean, I've teamed up with YouTubers, like I've had, you know, I've done episodes with YouTubers, but I still can't figure out the algorithm. I mean, and I don't necessarily spend a lot of time on that shit either. Like I, you know, I don't, I just do the content. I don't read about how to fucking get people to, you know, how to take advantage of the algorithm. I don't, I don't do that. I need someone to

[01:49:35] do that for me because I have no idea how to do it. So. So if I get to the point in life where I can hire an assistant, I'm going to hire someone to be my TikToker or whatever it's a be. And it should be available wherever you listen to Tenfoil Tales at. So again, thanks to Nick and thanks for listening. We're going to wrap this one up. So good night.

[01:50:08] And that's the show everyone. I really hope you guys enjoyed the conversations. If you would like to be a guest on Tenfoil Tales, remember to send an email to tenfoiltales podcast at gmail.com or go to the contact section of tenfoiltales.com to get your message to me. We'll get something scheduled for a future episode. And just remember, the truth lies in the stories we share, it. Thank you all for joining us on this journey. And until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking, and keep exploring the unknown. Good night everyone.

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