Tinfoil Talks: Drones, UFOs, and Bigfoot Too

[00:00:03] And I just turned around and I pulled ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with that.

[00:00:12] The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest.

[00:00:18] When I turned my headlights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most were the eyes were glowing red.

[00:00:30] I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me.

[00:00:37] And when he ends to tell them that he saw a UFO, they're basically like, what are you talking about?

[00:00:50] That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it. And that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose, and the eyes.

[00:00:58] As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, it felt like death.

[00:01:05] Welcome back to Tinfoil Tales. This is a very special episode of Tinfoil Talks, which is going to be the new show that comes out every Sunday night at 10pm Eastern Standard Time.

[00:01:15] It will be a live call-in show. That will be coming here in the next couple of weeks.

[00:01:19] But on this episode, I talked to Dr. Simeon Hein about a lot of the weird stuff going on with the drones and the UFOs and started off talking about some remote viewing and some Bigfoot.

[00:01:30] I didn't want to make this episode wait for the scheduled time for when it should come out, which would probably be a couple months from now.

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[00:02:25] Sit back, relax. Enjoy the show.

[00:02:29] I'd like to take this time to welcome my guest tonight.

[00:02:32] Simeon, thanks for coming on here and talking to me.

[00:02:35] Thank you, Brennan.

[00:02:37] Would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself?

[00:02:40] Yeah, I'm a former statistics teacher.

[00:02:42] I have a Ph.D. in sociology and research methods.

[00:02:49] So I had years and years of university training.

[00:02:55] And in the 90s, I got involved with remote viewing.

[00:03:01] And that kind of introduced me to a lot of different topics.

[00:03:05] I've had a few people on here about remote viewing.

[00:03:08] It's always been one of those things that I don't ever try and act like I'm an intelligent person by any means.

[00:03:14] I think I'm smart in some aspects.

[00:03:16] But the whole remote viewing thing to me is that I don't really grasp how it works.

[00:03:21] And a lot of the people that I've talked to, they can't give any explanations to it either.

[00:03:26] So if you're able to explain more into remote viewing, I definitely want to hear about that.

[00:03:32] Yeah, we have a pretty good idea how it works now.

[00:03:35] Okay.

[00:03:35] Yeah.

[00:03:36] It's something called the Aronhoff-Bohm effect.

[00:03:40] That is definitely one big candidate for how RV works.

[00:03:43] You know, for our listeners, remote viewing, I like to call it more like resonant viewing.

[00:03:49] It's an ability to describe distant people, targets, places, locations, all them targets, whatever we're looking at.

[00:03:59] And using, like you're saying, when I first took my course on this in 96, I mean, you don't know how it's happening, but it does.

[00:04:07] Because you're able to describe something at a distance.

[00:04:11] It could be quite far away.

[00:04:13] And it's accurate.

[00:04:14] When you're done and you're shown the picture of what you were describing, it often can be pretty accurate or very accurate, very detailed correspondence to what's actually at the target site that you are able to see in your mind's eye.

[00:04:34] But it's not like seeing like something really like a TV screen.

[00:04:38] It's pretty faint, but you can pick up aspects of this.

[00:04:43] And for the longest time, we've heard people say, well, we don't know how it works.

[00:04:48] And yeah, there's evidence for it.

[00:04:51] You know, these congressional hearings they had when it was declassified in 95.

[00:04:54] It was this, you know, special access program based out of Fort Meade.

[00:05:02] And there was research being done at Stanford Research Institute in Palo Alto at the time.

[00:05:09] And I mean, it started because the Soviets had their own psychokinesis programs.

[00:05:16] So did China.

[00:05:17] China, the Soviets called it psychotronics.

[00:05:23] And I mean, the U.S. government felt like they had to have a response during the Cold War to this.

[00:05:27] So they developed their own program.

[00:05:28] And for years, there's been this argument from skeptics, you know, saying, well, we can see some statistical correlations here.

[00:05:36] The viewer is getting more information than they would if they were discussing.

[00:05:40] But there's no principles behind it.

[00:05:42] So it's not in the realm of science.

[00:05:43] But we do know it has something to do with the Aronhoff-Bohm effect, which is, you know, something proposed in the 50s, even earlier in the 40s by some engineers.

[00:05:54] There's this interaction at a distance.

[00:05:59] It's a quantum effect between particles and fields, even if in between them there is actually zero electromagnetic energy being exchanged.

[00:06:16] There is still something called vector potential, energy potential.

[00:06:20] It's part of the Schrödinger wave equation.

[00:06:23] And these imaginary numbers, these potentials, really have a physical effect, which is kind of strange, but they really do.

[00:06:32] Something that's sort of, in a sense, imaginary has a real physical effect.

[00:06:37] And it's shown that particle, the phase of particles, are affected by a magnetic field that they're completely shielded from.

[00:06:45] There isn't any direct interaction, but they sort of sense each other.

[00:06:51] And people like Dr. Halputov, who ran the remote viewing program at SRI in the 70s to the mid-80s, have proposed that we're dealing with something like the Aronhoff-Bohm effect vector potential.

[00:07:12] So it's one of these lesser known but very important quantum effects that might explain it, how it applied for patents to allow for long-distance communications using the AB effect, specifically for submarines, where electromagnetic signals can't penetrate into the depths of the ocean.

[00:07:38] So that suggests that it has something to do with it.

[00:07:41] And that even processes phenomena at large distances can interact with each other, even if there's no signal there.

[00:07:53] Like we're used to no radio signal, no light, no electromagnetic radiation of any sort.

[00:08:00] There's still a communication going on, which is just very interesting.

[00:08:05] But that's what science tells us, you know, is true.

[00:08:09] So a lot of the people that I've spoken with when it comes to the remote viewing, and for anyone listening, I kind of stand on a skeptical sense a lot of the time.

[00:08:19] And I'm not trying to say people are lying or anything like that, but I don't always necessarily understand or fully believe that some of these things that people say are 100% accurate.

[00:08:33] I think they believe it, but I don't know if it's necessarily true on our end, but they think they're involved in these programs and they're used to potentially spy on things or they've communicated with something from another plane of existence.

[00:08:47] And they're remote viewing things from the past.

[00:08:50] And you mentioned quantum and everything.

[00:08:52] I know that's kind of, I don't know if it's a new thing.

[00:08:55] It's new to me, but the whole quantum aspect, I know a lot of people are using this now to describe creatures like Bigfoot.

[00:09:02] But I know there's like, I think Ron Moorhead talks about like the quantum Bigfoot theory.

[00:09:08] And is this anything that you've ever like dealt with on your own?

[00:09:13] I actually talked to Toby Johnson a while back and he actually mentioned your name.

[00:09:17] I didn't say anything during the interview, but I was like, oh, I got an interview with him too.

[00:09:22] But is this something you're familiar with?

[00:09:24] Like that aspect?

[00:09:27] Yes.

[00:09:29] It's the same effect, really.

[00:09:32] It's actually the same effect.

[00:09:33] Okay.

[00:09:34] All of these phenomena that we call paranormal are all, in my view, and I'm open to being challenged about this, but are all variations of coherent matter around have bone effects.

[00:09:47] Where you have matter behaving in other forms that are not typical of the ordinary types of matter that we are used to experiencing.

[00:10:01] The closest physical analogy to these effects are those flocks of birds that are called murmurations.

[00:10:10] Murmurations where the birds seem to be more like a wave moving across the sky.

[00:10:14] We've all seen this.

[00:10:14] You have it a lot out in the Midwest of the U.S.

[00:10:19] Flocks of ravens or crows or different types of birds.

[00:10:24] You see them all flying together or like a school of fish.

[00:10:28] You know, where scientists have always been puzzled how they're able to move like that.

[00:10:32] You know, because we would think, well, they're following the leader.

[00:10:35] But that's not actually, there's no evidence that they're following a leader.

[00:10:38] They just seem to be in sync with each other in the type of resonance where they have more of a wave-like property than a particle-like one.

[00:10:51] Like when you've seen in stadiums where people do the wave, right?

[00:10:54] You see this wave of arms moving around the stadium.

[00:10:57] That is the analogy for coherent matter.

[00:11:02] And, you know, it's, it's, that is at a quantum level, just a very interesting effect.

[00:11:09] Quantum mechanics has told us for over 100 years that everything that is physical matter has a frequency.

[00:11:18] And also has a wave-like function.

[00:11:22] And this is what Einstein got his Nobel Prize for, was his work in relativity theory.

[00:11:30] Where, you know, he showed that matter has a particle-like nature and a wave-like nature.

[00:11:39] And Max Planck and others, you know, showed that there's a specific frequency associated with matter.

[00:11:46] We ended up with this idea of the Planck constant.

[00:11:49] And it's sort of this idea that at smallest level, everything is turned into these like little discrete blips of energy that can be measured as a frequency.

[00:12:03] And so the idea that matter has this quantum nature isn't new.

[00:12:10] It's just, we, it takes a while for this idea to settle in and for us to understand it.

[00:12:14] Because, you know, Brandon, when we look around us, the world looks kind of solid.

[00:12:18] It doesn't look wave-like.

[00:12:20] But that's what quantum mechanics tells us it is.

[00:12:23] It's just that a frequency that gives it the feeling of being solid.

[00:12:26] But everything, you know, is, you know, when you do the math and you factor in the Planck constant has a particular frequency.

[00:12:38] And so coherent matter is this type of matter where the particles give up their individual particle nature and behave like one particle.

[00:12:49] One wave.

[00:12:50] One coherent particle.

[00:12:52] They all, you know, coordinate to become one thing.

[00:12:56] And so that's what Ron Moorhead is suggesting in Quantum Bigfoot.

[00:13:00] I met Ron a number of times.

[00:13:01] I've interviewed him.

[00:13:03] It's something that I study, too.

[00:13:05] Because, you know, so a lot of my remote viewing students in Colorado told me about their Bigfoot encounters over the years.

[00:13:11] And it took quite a while for me to understand what they were, the significance of what they were saying.

[00:13:16] Because it's not that easy to understand what Bigfoot is.

[00:13:20] We just don't have a lot of education in our culture.

[00:13:23] Even though the Native Americans all, you know, hundreds of different tribes had names for Bigfoot.

[00:13:27] But if you look at what they described, they described them having these very special abilities and so forth.

[00:13:34] Gliding, sliding over when they're moving, things like this.

[00:13:39] And what Ron Moorhead experienced were phenomena in, you know, his hunting camp up in the Sierra Nevadas in the 70s.

[00:13:48] And, you know, as you've spoken to Toby, there's a movie coming out about Ron Moorhead and the Johnson brothers and that whole Sierra camp.

[00:13:58] And when they discovered Bigfoot, going back, actually, I think it's to the, I'm not mistaken, I believe it's to the late 50s when they first had these encounters up in that area.

[00:14:09] But what they experienced were just very strange effects that defy conventional scientific explanation.

[00:14:18] Like very interesting sounds that the Bigfoot seemingly are able to create.

[00:14:26] Ron described the sounds of their hunting cabin kitchen being destroyed with the pots and pans flying everywhere in the middle of the night.

[00:14:35] And they went out and it's fine the next morning.

[00:14:39] Nothing had been touched, but it sounded like metal hitting metal.

[00:14:41] And people have reported cars coming up.

[00:14:44] Ron reported that once, even though you can't get cars up to that area.

[00:14:49] Strange light phenomena around where he and the others were up in that area.

[00:14:56] But everyone who's been involved, many people, I should say, who have been involved with Bigfoot have experienced this.

[00:15:01] Orbs, different types of anomalous light phenomena.

[00:15:07] Strange sounds like gongs.

[00:15:10] Ron experienced that.

[00:15:11] He said it sounded like a tuning fork right above the hunting structure.

[00:15:15] So to me, what that suggests, looking at it scientifically like this, is that you're dealing with a creature that can access states of matter that you and I don't know how to access.

[00:15:27] And they're able to tune the reality around them to different frequencies.

[00:15:32] And when you have that happening, it looks almost like magic.

[00:15:36] But, you know, you've seen demonstrations of cymatics in videos and things, you know, from Hans Jenny from Switzerland, where you can put tones onto a sheet of metal with sand on top and it spontaneously forms patterns and things like that.

[00:15:54] That's sort of what we're talking about here.

[00:15:56] It's just sort of a quantum extension of that.

[00:16:00] And, I mean, it's real.

[00:16:02] You can look at different defense contractors getting patents in coherent matter, wave beams and so forth.

[00:16:09] NIST worked with coherent matter in Boulder, Colorado, where I'm from, in the 90s.

[00:16:16] So this is scientifically verified.

[00:16:17] I think what people like me and Tobe, Tobe Johnson and Ron Moorhead are suggesting that it extends out of the lab into some of these phenomena that we call paranormal.

[00:16:31] I think, and you've kind of touched on it, and I've been saying it for a while.

[00:16:35] I think all of this stuff is connected.

[00:16:39] Not just like the paranormal, but I even said like the cryptid things, the UFO things, the orbs or whatever.

[00:16:46] I've been saying for the last two years that I feel like all this stuff somehow is connected.

[00:16:50] Yeah.

[00:16:51] I don't have any proof.

[00:16:53] It's just my personal belief, because just from interviewing people, I found out that like, say someone encountered a Bigfoot.

[00:17:02] Well, if I keep asking, then, well, they've also probably seen a UFO at some point or an orb, or they've had some sort of paranormal activity to place to be that.

[00:17:12] Like, it all seems to be, and I don't know if it's connected to the people themselves, or they're just more prone to it or open to it.

[00:17:18] But I feel like if one person has an encounter, more than likely you find out they've had more than just that one once they start digging into it.

[00:17:25] Right, right, right.

[00:17:26] I found that too, by the way.

[00:17:30] Well, at least I'm not alone then.

[00:17:33] No, no, I've always been puzzled by that too, because I start talking to Bigfoot witnesses, and I've been to many conferences.

[00:17:39] I was featured in one of Tobe's movies with the Resonance Pro people from, productions from Portland, Flash of Beauty, Paranormal Bigfoot.

[00:17:51] Have you seen that?

[00:17:53] I have not.

[00:17:54] He sent me the links.

[00:17:55] Yeah, you should watch that one.

[00:17:58] That has all these types of encounters, the weird things that happen around Bigfoot encounters, the orbs and balls of light and mind speak, all of that.

[00:18:06] That you hear over and over again, these are just very good witness accounts of that.

[00:18:10] Their earlier film was called Bigfoot Revealed, a Flash of Beauty Bigfoot Revealed.

[00:18:15] And if you sort of watch that movie, you'll see that there are a lot of those types of encounters.

[00:18:22] And when I meet witnesses to these, you will often find that they had some experience earlier on as a child.

[00:18:34] That, you know, it makes you just more open to perceiving phenomena like this, rather than having your brain.

[00:18:43] Your brain has a lot of defense mechanisms, Brandon.

[00:18:46] It can tune things out.

[00:18:47] Yeah.

[00:18:48] And it can forget about things pretty quickly.

[00:18:49] And it has to, because we're all survival oriented, and we can't just be distracted by infinite number of phenomena around us every moment.

[00:18:56] Right?

[00:18:57] So we're pretty focused, like animals are.

[00:19:02] And we push things away.

[00:19:04] And I'm one of these people, too.

[00:19:06] I mean, I had a UFO encounter with my mom in the Everglades when I was like 11.

[00:19:11] We saw this object over us that I initially thought was the moon.

[00:19:15] And it didn't turn out to be the moon, because the moon was on the horizon.

[00:19:18] But it was as big as a full moon on the horizon.

[00:19:20] You know how big that looked.

[00:19:22] It was that big.

[00:19:22] But it was over us, you know, 1,000 feet up or something like this, maybe a little more.

[00:19:29] Strange object, perfectly round, green, but it had solid dots in it.

[00:19:35] We had binoculars, so we could look at this.

[00:19:37] And then it started moving from completely stationary.

[00:19:40] It just moved.

[00:19:43] Instantaneous acceleration, as it's now called, right into a cloud.

[00:19:48] And my mom always said, that's when they zapped you.

[00:19:52] That's why you're interested in all these topics, right?

[00:19:54] I can't rule that out, that that's what happened to me.

[00:19:59] But I think it did open my mind that there were things that, you know, to this day, I can't easily explain what I saw with her there.

[00:20:08] It didn't fit any pattern of any technology we know about.

[00:20:15] So I think you're right, because I've talked to people who've had very interesting so-called paranormal experiences as a child.

[00:20:22] And later on, they see Bigfoot.

[00:20:23] So maybe what's going on here is that these people are just not as prone to tuning it out as people who've never had any experience.

[00:20:32] In other words, it's like a piece of clay.

[00:20:34] I mean, you remember when you played with clay as a kid and it would like take a little while to warm up.

[00:20:40] But once it got kind of warmed up, it was soft and you could kind of mold it.

[00:20:44] But when you just had that block, like in grade school or something, and they split up the block, it was kind of hard at the beginning, kind of softened up.

[00:20:53] It's sort of what our minds are like, too.

[00:20:55] So maybe this is all part of the softening up procedure.

[00:20:58] You know, Brandon, it's like a cumulative effect.

[00:21:00] The more experiences you have like this, the easier it is to experience it and not be so prone to trying to push it away.

[00:21:10] So I think that could be one explanation why that's true.

[00:21:12] I feel like for a lot of people to go out looking for this type of stuff, though, and this is what I also find interesting,

[00:21:20] you don't seem to notice the ones that are out always looking.

[00:21:25] They don't typically find much, but it's the ones that aren't even looking for to have the experiences that I've noticed,

[00:21:31] at least from what I've been looking into, like with talking to people, like most of the times they have these experiences.

[00:21:37] They don't even believe in this type of stuff.

[00:21:39] They do now.

[00:21:40] Right, right, right.

[00:21:41] But then you have the people that dedicate their whole life searching for things and never get anything to happen.

[00:21:50] So it's kind of strange.

[00:21:51] Right.

[00:21:52] You'll find, though, even those people who just have those experiences, sometimes they've had other experiences before.

[00:21:59] Oh.

[00:22:00] And so they're just a little more open to it.

[00:22:03] Yeah, I know a woman that she was outside the L.A. area.

[00:22:08] Calabasas.

[00:22:10] County Park, I think it is.

[00:22:13] Not far from L.A.

[00:22:15] And she, you know, she sees this Bigfoot appear in front of her.

[00:22:21] And it walks into a tree and disappears.

[00:22:25] And she said she didn't even believe in Bigfoot, but she saw it happen.

[00:22:28] It was right there.

[00:22:30] And when you do your research, you have a lot of people, Ron Moorhead and others, who said they were in trees.

[00:22:36] They disappeared into trees.

[00:22:37] I've heard this even from accounts from loggers from decades ago.

[00:22:43] And when you look at that range of evidence and you have a lot of people saying they have some connection between Bigfoot and trees, they're going into the trees.

[00:22:52] Trees that are too small to hide a big Bigfoot.

[00:22:54] Right.

[00:22:55] And the evidence spans decades.

[00:22:58] You start to wonder whether there's some aspect of that that's actually correct, even if it's not easy to understand how it's happening.

[00:23:05] And this is why people like Ron Moorhead go off in the direction of a quantum explanation, because quantum matter can do things like that.

[00:23:15] It can become wave-like and less physical and, you know, take different forms.

[00:23:22] It's sort of explainable that way, rather than from the typical Newtonian mechanistic perspective.

[00:23:28] So the experiences that people have kind of lead them to look for these alternative explanations.

[00:23:35] I think, Brandon, when I hear, you know, do you think it's flesh and blood or quantum, you've heard this type of discussion.

[00:23:44] Maybe you've had it on the show.

[00:23:45] Is it woo or flesh and blood?

[00:23:48] People are asked to choose sides.

[00:23:50] And it's always both, because as we were saying earlier, even things that are, quote unquote, flesh and blood, physical, have a quantum frequency.

[00:24:01] And there's a very simple formula to discover it.

[00:24:07] It's something like wavelength divided by Planck's constant gives you the frequency.

[00:24:16] That simple.

[00:24:16] So, I mean, it's going back over 100 years now.

[00:24:21] So that's why people go in that direction.

[00:24:23] And I think that it always has a quantum aspect to it.

[00:24:28] Now, the fact that you and I and our listening audience mostly see the world with the appearance of being physical doesn't mean that it's solid the way it looks, because even atomic structures are mostly empty space.

[00:24:44] And we know there are things that are called solar neutrinos from the sun.

[00:24:48] We're told that there's a billion going through your hand every second, each of your hands.

[00:24:54] That's how many solar neutrinos are going through us all the time.

[00:24:57] They are so small.

[00:25:00] They never hit anything.

[00:25:02] And it takes an average of one going in lead for 10 light years, 10 years going through lead before it's going to hit something on average.

[00:25:14] Right.

[00:25:14] And lead's a very dense substance.

[00:25:17] So, even with that idea, we can see that what appears to be physical is actually a frequency.

[00:25:25] From our perception, it has that feeling of being solid.

[00:25:28] But what feels solid to you and me is just the electric charges repulsing each other when your hand or your body becomes near to something else.

[00:25:35] There's a repulsive effect and the charges, electromagnetic charges, you know, create this reality where things stay as separate objects.

[00:25:46] But that doesn't mean in other states they can't merge, they can't blend, things can't go through them.

[00:25:52] That makes them look a little less solid.

[00:25:55] Yeah.

[00:25:55] I talked to someone last year, and I'm actually trying to remember which episode it was.

[00:26:02] We discussed a lot of stuff about frequencies.

[00:26:05] And the whole matter, everything, we're all made of basically vibration and frequencies and everything else.

[00:26:12] So, for me, it's like I understand the concept, but trying to explain this to people that don't see things that way.

[00:26:21] Like, you mentioned the flesh and blood aspect.

[00:26:24] Like, just use Bigfoot for an example.

[00:26:26] I get people arguing with me sometimes on the internet because I don't necessarily think Bigfoot is just a undiscovered primate running around in the forest that leaves random footprints to just disappear.

[00:26:41] Like, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

[00:26:44] So, when you throw in that woo side to it, you're labeled as crazy.

[00:26:51] Because, but if you look at it from more of the, I don't want to call them like interdimensional, but more or less around a different frequency wavelength or they can change that somehow.

[00:27:01] It makes more sense to me.

[00:27:03] It might not make sense to someone else.

[00:27:05] Right.

[00:27:06] But I feel a little bit more sense to me.

[00:27:08] It makes it, then, explaining the impossibility of how tracks can just disappear or how these things walk around the screen, they're gone.

[00:27:16] It makes me understand it better, I guess.

[00:27:20] Right.

[00:27:20] And that's what matters.

[00:27:21] I mean, the people that are going to label you as crazy just don't have a lot of education in the history of science.

[00:27:29] Because that rubric has been applied to everyone who's ever invented anything.

[00:27:35] With very few exceptions.

[00:27:38] Everything at the time that it was invented, people would see it as science fiction, you know.

[00:27:49] What was the headline about the Wright Brothers?

[00:27:52] Liars or flyers are liars, right?

[00:27:56] That the New York Times or one of the main papers that existed at the time.

[00:28:00] And everything that we now accept around us is obvious at one point was considered hoax or crazy or something like this.

[00:28:09] And so we can't listen to that type of rhetoric from those sorts of people because they would have considered, you know, Michael Faraday and James Clerk Maxwell crazy too.

[00:28:20] The founders of electromagnetism.

[00:28:23] And the basis of all the technology that allows us to communicate like this.

[00:28:29] You know, control of the electromagnetic spectrum and the quantum functions.

[00:28:35] You know, this quantum tunneling feature and all these things that are the basis of transistors and electronics.

[00:28:42] At the time, Faraday and later Maxwell, you know, they were considered like crackpots, right?

[00:28:51] Because you can't see electromagnetism, can you?

[00:28:54] Not directly.

[00:28:55] You can see light, but you can't see how it actually works.

[00:28:58] You can't see radio waves.

[00:29:00] So every inventor has always been accused of, you know, being fake or being crazy or eccentric or something like this.

[00:29:13] And then those technologies later on turn around to make our lives really different.

[00:29:19] So I wouldn't listen to people like that that just say, oh, you're mentioning the woo factor, the quantum factor.

[00:29:26] I mean, quantum mechanics has been established.

[00:29:28] When did Einstein win his Nobel Prize in 1920?

[00:29:31] Something like this?

[00:29:32] It's been established for 100 years now.

[00:29:35] Okay?

[00:29:35] It's real.

[00:29:36] Now, it may be challenging for us to understand how something could be both a particle and a wave at the same time, you know?

[00:29:43] And the double slit experiment that shows correlations between one particle and itself and so forth.

[00:29:50] And all these ideas, they may be challenging.

[00:29:52] It doesn't mean they're not real.

[00:29:54] Just because it's not easy for your brain to wrap itself around it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist because that's just the nature of scientific progress.

[00:30:03] So to apply some of these quantum ideas to Bigfoot, to me, does not seem like a stretch at all, given we already accept the role of quantum mechanics in radio waves and fiber optics and every other type of technology that we use.

[00:30:21] It's just another way to look at it.

[00:30:25] And, by the way, if those people don't think the quantum explanation works, it may be something else.

[00:30:32] What's their explanation for all this?

[00:30:34] Apart from calling all these people who experienced this, you know, accusing them of making it up, what would – how would you – you could always say, well, what's your explanation for how Bigfoot can become invisible instantly?

[00:30:47] Like, I've heard so many people describe over the years at different conferences who they've seen this happen.

[00:30:54] Most of the time, they don't have an answer.

[00:30:56] Yeah, I mean, how would you explain it?

[00:30:58] And they go, well, you know, but people have seen this.

[00:31:00] I mean, a lot of people have seen this.

[00:31:03] It's hard for them to talk about it.

[00:31:05] You experience it.

[00:31:06] You don't even know what you've seen, but you've seen something there.

[00:31:09] And then these little pixels of light, as you've heard, come down like a curtain and they're gone.

[00:31:15] They're somewhere else, you know.

[00:31:17] Maybe there's a shimmering effect left over.

[00:31:20] And it's so consistent, this description.

[00:31:23] It sounds like some sort of variant of electromagnetism that we just don't completely understand.

[00:31:30] But, you know, we have materials that can cloak like that.

[00:31:33] You've heard of metamaterials and you've seen these examples of DARPA and the Defense Department creating these invisibility clothing and so forth that just passes the light from behind it forward.

[00:31:45] So it sort of looks invisible, right?

[00:31:47] And we've seen examples of this.

[00:31:49] So it's sort of like a double standard because on one hand, we accuse people who talk like this of being involved with fringe science or pathological science.

[00:32:00] Pseudoscience.

[00:32:00] That's a favorite one.

[00:32:01] And yet, at the same time, you can see plenty of defense contractors getting patents.

[00:32:08] Lockheed Martin had a patent a few years ago that was accepted by the Patent Office for coherent matter wave beams.

[00:32:16] And they claim to be able to project energy and information at a distance, communications, like we were talking about the Iran-Hoboam effect.

[00:32:24] The whole patent's based on the Iran-Hoboam effect.

[00:32:28] Creating directed energy weapons and all sorts of telepathy, telekinesis, all sorts of interesting effects that they claim to be able to do with ordinary matter.

[00:32:38] And they use that analogy of murmurations of birds and flocks of fish as an analogy to what they were developing, they say, to be turned into interesting technology.

[00:32:49] So when they do it, it's just considered like, you know, engineering and business.

[00:32:54] But if people experience it in an uncontrolled setting, they're accused of being pseudoscientists.

[00:32:59] So it's quite a contradiction in that sort of mindset of those who would like this to go away.

[00:33:07] But, I mean, it doesn't go away because people experience like the drone situation we've had.

[00:33:12] I'm in the East Coast right now.

[00:33:15] You know, yesterday you had the Defense Department, FBI come out and say, there's nothing going on here.

[00:33:21] Like John Kirby, the spokesman for the White House.

[00:33:24] This is hobbyist drones.

[00:33:27] This, that, and the other thing.

[00:33:29] Misidentifications of airplanes.

[00:33:31] And yet here today, the FAA imposes flight restrictions on drones in 11 locations in New Jersey.

[00:33:37] Just a day later.

[00:33:38] So if there's nothing going on and it's misidentifications of planes, why are there drone restrictions?

[00:33:44] There's a contradiction going on here.

[00:33:45] So what I'm suggesting, Brandon, is you get this with these skeptics too.

[00:33:49] Okay, I'm nothing.

[00:33:50] There's nothing wrong with being skeptical.

[00:33:52] I've been skeptical too.

[00:33:54] I was skeptical of remote viewing in an open-minded way, but I didn't really think I could do it.

[00:33:59] But I was able to do it like a lot of people can do it.

[00:34:02] So what's their explanation for these phenomena if they're,

[00:34:06] and if they're not going to suggest that, Brandon, are they even really interested in the subject at all?

[00:34:11] You know, if there's no proof that they would even hypothetically accept,

[00:34:15] are they even operating in the realm of science at all?

[00:34:19] Or are they just operating in their own superstition?

[00:34:24] That's how I go.

[00:34:26] When it comes to the drones, I was going to say, I think a lot of what's going on now,

[00:34:30] I think a lot of people are using their own drones to try to jump on that bandwagon,

[00:34:34] but I don't think that's what was going on originally.

[00:34:36] No, no, no.

[00:34:37] Right.

[00:34:38] There's always a copycat effect.

[00:34:39] You know, Brandon, these things are quite complex.

[00:34:41] You do get this copycat effect.

[00:34:43] I'm sure there are people around who said, let's send up our drones, right?

[00:34:47] And we'll send it near the local air base, and we'll cause a stir,

[00:34:50] and they'll shut down the base and stuff.

[00:34:52] Yeah, you do get that copycat effect.

[00:34:54] And yet, at the same time, some of it can't be the copycat effect,

[00:35:00] because hobbyist drones don't stay up for six or seven hours like these objects do.

[00:35:04] I spoke to a woman in Morristown who said,

[00:35:08] this thing was flying up and down the street all night.

[00:35:12] She could hear it.

[00:35:13] The type of drones you and I buy and hobbyists buy,

[00:35:17] the battery goes, at best, for half an hour, right?

[00:35:20] I looked it up, what the DJI Mavic 4 can do, the latest one from DJI,

[00:35:26] one of the more recent ones, right?

[00:35:29] And it's 34 minutes under optimal conditions with no maneuvering.

[00:35:33] So more likely you're talking 20 minutes, right?

[00:35:37] Things are staying up all time, you know, all night.

[00:35:41] And they're big.

[00:35:42] And we don't know what propulsion system is going to keep something

[00:35:45] the size of a car up there all night.

[00:35:47] It's got to be pretty big batteries.

[00:35:49] There are, I heard today, Brandon, this is interesting.

[00:35:53] There are companies exploring the idea of using hydrogen as a fuel for drones.

[00:35:59] So you can have them up there longer, right?

[00:36:01] Not half an hour, but, you know, you can have them up two to four hours.

[00:36:05] Sure, it's a good idea.

[00:36:06] It's completely experimental at this point.

[00:36:09] No one's selling drones like this.

[00:36:12] So for skeptics, you know, and I've heard,

[00:36:15] I even had some friends who were pilots, you know,

[00:36:17] for United and so forth.

[00:36:18] I spoke to them the other day in the Vegas area.

[00:36:20] And they thought, oh, Sim, you know, this is just misidentifications.

[00:36:24] It's mass hysteria, right?

[00:36:26] And I'm friends with, you know, this former pilot.

[00:36:29] So I'm just kind of joking around with him.

[00:36:30] I know he would be, he's open to evidence too.

[00:36:33] But I mean, if that is the case, what are, what is up there for hours every night?

[00:36:39] I've, I've, I put up a video on my YouTube channel today with, and I played interview.

[00:36:44] I made, recorded a couple of guys with two witnesses in the New York area, Westchester

[00:36:49] County.

[00:36:50] And one of them filmed these things very close to his house.

[00:36:54] And you can see these objects moving one way.

[00:36:56] Then they turn around, they go back, they meet up with the other objects.

[00:37:01] That, and they're up there for quite a while.

[00:37:03] That just doesn't, it's not easily explainable by our technology to have so many of these

[00:37:09] in so many places doing things the size that they are.

[00:37:13] Some of them are very big.

[00:37:15] Doing things that they're doing with, like a couple, let me give an example, Brandon.

[00:37:20] You've heard about electromagnetic jamming of these drones, these drone busters.

[00:37:24] Yeah.

[00:37:25] Well, apparently they don't work on these drones.

[00:37:27] If what I'm hearing is correct, they, you can immobilize them this way.

[00:37:33] And hobbyists who have sent their drones up when they've seen them, like one fellow did

[00:37:38] it near three drones near Picatinny Arsenal in Northern Jersey.

[00:37:42] We've heard about this military base that does a lot of military industrial research and production.

[00:37:48] He said his battery immediately went to zero when it got close to these other drones.

[00:37:53] Like they had their own countermeasures built in.

[00:37:56] I mean, what's doing that?

[00:37:58] So I think there really are a lot of good questions about these drones.

[00:38:04] They've been seen by a lot of people, law enforcement, you know, swarms of them, 30 to 50 at the same time.

[00:38:12] And those are not easily explainable.

[00:38:15] You know, it's been going on for weeks.

[00:38:17] But these UFO flaps tend to be like this.

[00:38:19] They tend to seem kind of like the technology you have at the time, a little more advanced.

[00:38:26] And they're often not explainable.

[00:38:28] I'll just give you an example of that.

[00:38:30] I went out to Eastern Colorado, you know, living in Boulder.

[00:38:34] I went out to Lyman, Colorado area and talked to people in that drone flap of 2019, 2020.

[00:38:44] And everybody I spoke to knew somebody who had seen them and described them going really fast,

[00:38:50] you know, faster than cars on a highway, much faster.

[00:38:53] And staying up there all night in formations.

[00:38:56] And yet, if there was an obvious explanation, the FBI task force that went out there never had an explanation.

[00:39:08] And the interagency task force between all these different sheriffs, departments in Eastern Colorado, Nebraska,

[00:39:15] when they had their meeting in Lyman, they never, they couldn't figure it out.

[00:39:20] You'd think, well, who would know?

[00:39:22] Maybe the Air Force, their Air Force bases around there.

[00:39:25] When we looked at their internal emails, you know, from FOIA requests, you can see them.

[00:39:30] They're expressing this kind of curiosity and sense of astonishment over what's going on, too, in their internal emails.

[00:39:42] So nobody had an explanation, even Department of Transportation Secretary at the time, Elaine Chao.

[00:39:55] I think Chu, her name was.

[00:39:59] Under the previous Trump administration, right?

[00:40:05] She had a press conference and said, we don't know what they are.

[00:40:08] And I know the state police of Colorado sent up their sort of AWACS plane with a lot of electronic sensors where they can detect a lot.

[00:40:20] And I think they saw them.

[00:40:22] But they couldn't keep up with them.

[00:40:24] And they couldn't figure it out.

[00:40:25] So all of these different agencies, law enforcement, military, years, cover a couple of years from that wave, Brandon, in Colorado.

[00:40:38] No explanation.

[00:40:40] And then it just stopped.

[00:40:41] So what is that?

[00:40:44] I mean, I don't know.

[00:40:46] All I know is it really could have some other implications that are less easy to understand.

[00:40:52] Maybe they're not drones.

[00:40:54] That's what we're calling them.

[00:40:56] Maybe they're something else.

[00:40:57] I find it interesting.

[00:40:59] And maybe it's just me being more of a conspiracy type of a person.

[00:41:04] But they turned the word UFO into UAP recently.

[00:41:10] You don't hear about UFO.

[00:41:11] They run UAP, UAP.

[00:41:12] And now all of a sudden, they're pushing the word drone again.

[00:41:16] Like this is being thrown out there.

[00:41:18] Like all these things going on.

[00:41:19] Or now they're not even calling them UAP.

[00:41:20] They're saying drones.

[00:41:21] Like that is the narrative that's been pushed for the last couple of weeks.

[00:41:25] Is drones.

[00:41:27] Right.

[00:41:28] The thing is.

[00:41:28] But are they drones?

[00:41:30] Yeah.

[00:41:31] A lot of the stuff that I've been seeing.

[00:41:33] How do they know they're even a drone?

[00:41:34] They're just something flying.

[00:41:37] We, back in October, we had mass sightings of multiple orange orbs.

[00:41:46] And they flew from a town south of where I live.

[00:41:50] And they flew up this way.

[00:41:50] They flew past my town and everything else.

[00:41:52] And they were almost in a pattern.

[00:41:55] Drones would fly that far.

[00:41:57] Because it's a good 40 to 50 miles that it flew.

[00:42:00] Right, right.

[00:42:02] And they kept being in sequence.

[00:42:03] And I've seen some of the videos that actually made it on.

[00:42:07] Like my sister-in-law's seen it.

[00:42:09] Yep.

[00:42:10] I've seen it.

[00:42:10] Like she calls my wife to tell her that, hey, we just saw this thing.

[00:42:14] Tell Brandon because they all know I'm the crazy guy that's all into this stuff.

[00:42:17] But how many people saw this thing and they were all freaking out by it.

[00:42:24] But they weren't calling them drones.

[00:42:26] They were calling them orange orbs or UFOs.

[00:42:30] Like that was being discussed.

[00:42:32] But all of a sudden now everything over in Jersey and now everywhere else I've been seeing and hearing about.

[00:42:36] They were calling them drones.

[00:42:39] It's almost like to me it's like they're pushing that word out.

[00:42:42] I think so.

[00:42:45] I think it's a great point, Brandon.

[00:42:46] We tend to use the vocabulary that we're familiar with.

[00:42:51] And authorities and organizations and bureaucracies tend to use the words that fit their narrative.

[00:42:59] No surprise there.

[00:43:01] But the big question is, are they drones?

[00:43:06] What we call drones, which are, you know, like radio controlled devices with certain characteristics.

[00:43:16] Or given the speed of these things and their ability to maneuver and stay up all night.

[00:43:23] Are they aircraft of some type?

[00:43:28] UFOs.

[00:43:30] UAP.

[00:43:31] You know, the new name, as you're pointing out, has a new name.

[00:43:35] Some more politically neutral term.

[00:43:39] Unidentified aerial phenomena.

[00:43:41] Air Force calls them UASs.

[00:43:44] Unidentified aerial system.

[00:43:46] Which is even more neutral, isn't it?

[00:43:50] Unidentified aerial system.

[00:43:53] So, I mean, seriously.

[00:43:56] It doesn't seem like we're dealing with drones here.

[00:44:00] The drones you and I are familiar with, you know, they have that mosquito buzz sound to them, right?

[00:44:04] We're all familiar with those.

[00:44:06] I've played with them.

[00:44:07] I haven't used the more sophisticated ones, but I've been around people that are very skilled.

[00:44:12] Who have, you know, even a license to fly them.

[00:44:16] And I saw them, people use them around the crop circles in the UK.

[00:44:21] Pilots.

[00:44:22] And I'm familiar with the characteristics of those vehicles.

[00:44:26] And these do not seem to be like that.

[00:44:28] They're a lot bigger.

[00:44:31] A lot bigger.

[00:44:32] I mean, we're talking the size.

[00:44:34] The witness I spoke to said it was the size of a car sedan up in the sky.

[00:44:40] That's pretty big.

[00:44:42] That seems to me more like a UFO.

[00:44:45] I'm not saying UFO.

[00:44:47] It has to be extraterrestrial.

[00:44:49] I don't know where it's from.

[00:44:50] But it's unidentified.

[00:44:51] And it's an object.

[00:44:52] And it's flying.

[00:44:53] So why not just call them UFOs until we can identify them?

[00:44:57] They're not emitting any of the transponder signals that are now legally required of civilian drones.

[00:45:06] Right?

[00:45:06] They all have a transponder in them now.

[00:45:08] So you can see whose it is.

[00:45:11] And there's a lot of rules and regulations around drones.

[00:45:14] You know, when you can fly them.

[00:45:16] How high.

[00:45:18] You know, where you can go with them.

[00:45:21] You can't fly over crowds of people for safety reasons or people.

[00:45:25] So these are all violating whatever FAA rules are out there.

[00:45:30] So I think your point's valid.

[00:45:32] In some of my videos, you know, all the videos I've made about these in the past two weeks, I say quote unquote drones.

[00:45:38] I think, you know, I think you're right.

[00:45:40] I think we should call them UFOs.

[00:45:42] UAP.

[00:45:43] Whatever you want to call them until they're identified.

[00:45:45] And it's just amazing to me.

[00:45:48] Here we are weeks and weeks into this.

[00:45:50] It actually started a number of years ago.

[00:45:52] You know, Colorado.

[00:45:53] And you had those Navy incidents off the coast of California.

[00:45:57] 2019 also swarms of objects coming around naval fleets.

[00:46:03] And those military ships have anti-drone warfare units on board.

[00:46:10] They would have to nowadays.

[00:46:11] Right?

[00:46:12] And we're told they couldn't immobilize them.

[00:46:15] So if you have this drone immobilization equipment and it's not immobilizing the drones, is it a drone?

[00:46:22] I think it's a realistic question to ask.

[00:46:26] It's just something our minds assumes they are.

[00:46:30] Like when people see a Bigfoot and the authorities will say, if you reported that you saw a bear.

[00:46:35] Right.

[00:46:35] Because that's the closest thing they can understand, assuming they're not deliberately trying to fool you, which they might be.

[00:46:42] The bear thing pisses me off.

[00:46:44] The bear thing.

[00:46:45] You saw a bear.

[00:46:46] Or a pack of dogs, right?

[00:46:48] Right.

[00:46:49] Yeah.

[00:46:50] And you know, it's ridiculous.

[00:46:51] Because you don't have bears walking on two legs.

[00:46:53] And they don't run at those speeds.

[00:46:55] And they certainly don't howl with those.

[00:46:59] They don't howl at all.

[00:47:00] So not at those volume levels.

[00:47:04] So it's just ridiculous.

[00:47:06] And it seems to me like we're doing the same thing with these objects.

[00:47:09] These objects could be anything.

[00:47:11] We really don't know.

[00:47:13] Maybe there is a terrestrial explanation.

[00:47:15] But don't you find it kind of interesting?

[00:47:17] Here we are a month into the New Jersey quote unquote drone situation, right?

[00:47:24] And there's not one reasonable explanation put forward that makes any sense.

[00:47:29] Every day the narrative changes, you know.

[00:47:32] A week ago it was like Iranian mothership off the coast of New Jersey.

[00:47:36] Yeah.

[00:47:37] I was going to say last week I heard it was Iranians with the mothership was off there.

[00:47:41] And these are all their little things.

[00:47:42] Well, if that was really true, why haven't we scrambled to take them down?

[00:47:46] Yeah.

[00:47:47] Because there's no ship there.

[00:47:48] And there is no Iranian ship.

[00:47:50] It was someone who said this.

[00:47:52] And then it was the Russians, right?

[00:47:55] They're getting us back for Ukraine.

[00:47:57] Then it was this idea, well, there's a lot of weapons that go over from New Jersey to Ukraine.

[00:48:04] So it's Russian drones doing some sort of surveillance, you know.

[00:48:10] Then it was China.

[00:48:11] The one thing that I remember was from last year that everyone seemed to have even brought up really is the thing that was floating.

[00:48:18] They claim it was the Chinese balloon.

[00:48:20] Yeah.

[00:48:20] The spy balloon.

[00:48:22] That was never like for some reason I just kind of got swept under the rug.

[00:48:27] Yeah.

[00:48:28] And flew across the whole U.S.

[00:48:29] Right.

[00:48:30] And then we just quit talking about it.

[00:48:32] And now all these drones are flying around when I say drone.

[00:48:35] Right, right.

[00:48:35] Exactly.

[00:48:36] Exactly right.

[00:48:36] And we're still not talking about it or doing anything about it.

[00:48:39] If the government knows these things are out there, you have one member of the government claiming they were Iranian drones from a mothership.

[00:48:50] Where the hell did he get his information at?

[00:48:52] I have no idea.

[00:48:53] But why would you go on public TV and say that in the media?

[00:48:57] Unless that's what the narrative you wanted to throw out there to strike fear into people.

[00:49:01] I honestly think they know what they are.

[00:49:03] And if it's not them doing it, they just know they can't control it.

[00:49:05] So they're just going to ignore it.

[00:49:06] And just that's the way they go about it.

[00:49:09] Yeah.

[00:49:09] Ignore it.

[00:49:10] Throw enough confusion in there.

[00:49:11] Put out some fake stories about it.

[00:49:14] Like, you know, they're searching for radioactive material.

[00:49:16] That seems sort of plausible.

[00:49:18] Right.

[00:49:19] Except it doesn't.

[00:49:20] Because the witness I interviewed knows about searches like this on my YouTube channel today.

[00:49:27] Someone I've known for a while.

[00:49:29] And he said, if they're doing a search, they're not doing it very well.

[00:49:31] Because they're just like crisscrossing each other.

[00:49:33] They don't seem to be going in any pattern.

[00:49:36] You know.

[00:49:37] They're not doing it very efficiently.

[00:49:41] But these seem to be just stories that are put out there to keep us from the real truth of what it is.

[00:49:50] And I'm not really a conspiracy theorist.

[00:49:51] I'm just going on what's happened in the past couple of weeks about this.

[00:49:55] If you discount foreign adversaries and the military says, well, it's not ours.

[00:50:00] And then you have other people saying, well, it's not U.S. technology.

[00:50:05] Who does that leave?

[00:50:07] Who else is out there?

[00:50:08] You know, President-elect Trump had a comment of this about two days ago.

[00:50:14] Right.

[00:50:14] In an old press conference.

[00:50:15] He said he wasn't going to Bedminster, his property out there.

[00:50:20] Because of the situation with these objects.

[00:50:24] And he said in this press conference that the government knows what they are.

[00:50:29] But for some reason, they don't want to say what it is.

[00:50:34] So, you know, you start ending up thinking it's just easier to believe that they're another civilization.

[00:50:45] Civilization's vehicles.

[00:50:47] I mean, that becomes plausible when you discount everything else.

[00:50:52] Assuming we're being told the truth about it.

[00:50:54] So I think you need to consider all the possibilities.

[00:50:56] And again, we've had waves of UFOs over the decades.

[00:51:00] Going back to the 1890s with the airships, right?

[00:51:04] Before airships were technically invented, there were airships flying around the U.S.

[00:51:09] Who had the technology back then to do this?

[00:51:12] Wasn't Russia or China, right?

[00:51:13] Who was it back then?

[00:51:15] Because airships weren't invented for another couple of years.

[00:51:19] And here these are flying around with pilots that we're told were speaking a foreign language.

[00:51:25] People that heard them said it was another language.

[00:51:29] There's newspaper articles about this.

[00:51:31] You know, Aurora, Texas, Dublin, Texas places.

[00:51:34] Well, where they're all over the Midwest.

[00:51:38] You know, and some people said, well, it was just newspapers generating publicity for their town or something.

[00:51:46] I remember they had like a funeral for one of the pilots or whatever.

[00:51:50] Yeah, they had a funeral in Aurora for this.

[00:51:54] They called him a spaceman.

[00:51:55] They called him a spaceman.

[00:51:57] Who was around back then that was shorter, smaller, and they would describe as a spaceman?

[00:52:05] The pilot.

[00:52:06] Yeah, that's right.

[00:52:07] So you start connecting the dots here.

[00:52:11] It seems like another civilization that we're not familiar with who can modify their systems to look like what's ever understood at the time, what's kind of common.

[00:52:25] That's not going to cause panic, right?

[00:52:27] So in the 1890s, it would have been airships.

[00:52:29] If we saw that around, it would be a little weird now.

[00:52:33] We're used to more, you know, modern blimps.

[00:52:36] But nowadays, you know, we had flying triangles in the Hudson Valley at one point in the 80s.

[00:52:42] And those go back decades, too.

[00:52:45] And then now there are these so-called drones.

[00:52:47] It just seems to fit a pattern.

[00:52:51] To me, it does, at least.

[00:52:54] Of what this sort of intelligence can manifest itself as.

[00:52:59] At least that's one explanation.

[00:53:01] Now, Brandon, if these do have some sort of obvious explanation at the end, I'm open to that.

[00:53:06] I could believe these are Department of Energy vehicles.

[00:53:11] I saw one myself just coming through New Jersey on Friday night, last Friday, as of this recording.

[00:53:19] And I wasn't sure what I was looking at.

[00:53:21] It was by I-80, by Patterson.

[00:53:24] And I'm coming into the New York area from out west.

[00:53:28] You know, and this thing, at first I thought, oh, it's one of the drones.

[00:53:32] Then I said, oh, no, it has wings.

[00:53:34] It's a plane.

[00:53:35] And then I look at it again.

[00:53:36] I said, the lights are not in the right place for a conventional plane.

[00:53:40] It's flying pretty slow.

[00:53:41] And it's level.

[00:53:43] It's too low for a plane.

[00:53:46] Planes don't fly that low over populated areas.

[00:53:50] They can go as low as 500 feet, but I think technically.

[00:53:57] But this just didn't seem right.

[00:53:59] And then it just made a 90 degree turn in just seconds.

[00:54:04] Pretty quick turn.

[00:54:06] Didn't take up a lot of sky to make this turn like planes do, flying at 200 knots.

[00:54:11] And I checked flight radar 24.

[00:54:14] You know, there was no planes north of I-80 at that time.

[00:54:19] And none of them in the area even made a direct right angle turn.

[00:54:24] And most of them were at 14,000 feet.

[00:54:27] There were some at 3,000 feet.

[00:54:29] But not what I saw.

[00:54:30] This thing was, I don't know, maybe 1,000 feet.

[00:54:34] And it didn't seem to be going fast enough to avoid a stall.

[00:54:37] I mean, I've taken private pilot ground school.

[00:54:40] So I know a little bit about this.

[00:54:43] So I'm not even sure what I saw.

[00:54:45] I mean, I'm going to witness.

[00:54:46] Because when I looked at it, I said, oh, that's that weird plane that people have talked about that seems to hover.

[00:54:51] It had all the same lights.

[00:54:52] I'd seen pictures of this on the news.

[00:54:55] Now, if there is a conventional explanation, someone wrote on my YouTube channel, maybe you were looking at a radio-controlled plane, like a scale model, and you just thought it was bigger.

[00:55:05] I guess, perhaps, but it looked to me more closer to like a 737.

[00:55:10] But with a flying Christmas tree.

[00:55:15] That's how much light it had.

[00:55:17] It just wasn't going anywhere.

[00:55:19] It looked like it was, you know, it reminded me of an advertising blimp at a football game.

[00:55:24] But it had wings like a plane.

[00:55:26] It had a cockpit.

[00:55:27] It had a tail.

[00:55:30] It didn't have rows of windows like you would expect in a passenger plane or any plane coming out of Teterboro Airport not too far away, you know.

[00:55:39] So anyway, I saw one of these things, and it made me think of the airships.

[00:55:43] Did I see something that was just pretending to look like a plane?

[00:55:47] So I think it's a good discussion.

[00:55:49] And again, Brandon, just to sum this up, I mean, I'm open to a conventional explanation.

[00:55:54] If the government comes forward tomorrow and says they were secret planes looking for radioactive materials, we didn't want to scare people.

[00:56:01] I'm open to that explanation, but they're saying that's not what it is.

[00:56:06] Yeah.

[00:56:07] For me, I don't know if this was true because obviously I take whatever I see on the internet with a grain of salt.

[00:56:15] But did you see where one of these were supposedly stuck in a tree?

[00:56:19] And it almost looked like a blue amoeba.

[00:56:21] Yeah.

[00:56:21] What in the world is that?

[00:56:23] What was that?

[00:56:24] Did you see?

[00:56:24] I saw it.

[00:56:25] What is that?

[00:56:26] I saw the video.

[00:56:27] I saw the photos.

[00:56:28] I sent it to one of my friends.

[00:56:29] He's like, it looked white.

[00:56:31] I was like, I have no idea.

[00:56:32] I was like, I don't know if it's even real or if this is just something that someone's made up now.

[00:56:37] Right.

[00:56:37] It's hard to know, isn't it?

[00:56:38] It's hard to know.

[00:56:39] But if that looked like a light bulb.

[00:56:42] Yeah.

[00:56:42] That was a real thing.

[00:56:43] That doesn't look like a drone.

[00:56:46] It did not look like a drone.

[00:56:47] I mean, yeah, my reaction is the same as yours.

[00:56:49] I'm looking at that thinking, wow, this is really weird looking.

[00:56:53] It sort of looks sort of lifelike.

[00:56:56] Am I looking at something that was generated?

[00:56:59] You know, AI can generate a lot of stuff nowadays.

[00:57:03] It's hard to know.

[00:57:05] That's it's it's a little hard to know exactly.

[00:57:08] But I saw the same video and was wondering the same things you were.

[00:57:12] Yeah, it was definitely one of those.

[00:57:14] It looked real enough, but it doesn't.

[00:57:17] It doesn't look.

[00:57:20] It almost looked like what you would see, like when you a microbe.

[00:57:23] Like when you zoom in on the microbe, it's what it looks like.

[00:57:26] Like an actual biological living thing.

[00:57:30] That's what it looked like, right?

[00:57:33] Which I don't know.

[00:57:35] Yeah, good.

[00:57:35] I was going to say there's stories out there and I don't know where they come from or not,

[00:57:41] but there was that movie that came out a couple of years ago called Nope.

[00:57:46] And the UFO was actually, spoiler alert for anyone that's never seen the movie,

[00:57:50] was actually a living entity.

[00:57:52] Like it was a living creature.

[00:57:55] The UFO itself was not being controlled like it was an actual biological thing.

[00:58:01] And I've heard stories from other things, from other podcasts and other researchers,

[00:58:05] they claim that these types of things are actually real in our atmosphere.

[00:58:09] We just don't see them all the time.

[00:58:10] They're like these living biological things in the sky.

[00:58:15] Maybe some of these drones that people are seeing, quote unquote drones,

[00:58:18] maybe some of these things, who knows?

[00:58:22] I think that's a possibility.

[00:58:23] I mean, ever since I started looking into Bigfoot and cryptids,

[00:58:27] and you start reading the literature and Stan Gordon and other people like this,

[00:58:33] you realize there are other types of creatures that we don't even have names for.

[00:58:38] Other types of life forms, right?

[00:58:40] What you're suggesting.

[00:58:42] And then you start thinking, people have claimed these exist in the atmosphere.

[00:58:47] Trevor James Constable and other researchers in the past decades have had telescopes looking for these things

[00:58:53] and appear to have photographs of something like that.

[00:58:58] So, yeah.

[00:58:59] Then you begin to wonder, are there other types of life forms in the atmosphere that maybe for some reason we just,

[00:59:08] we don't know about?

[00:59:11] That, you know, no one ever really told us about.

[00:59:15] Maybe they're rare and maybe they happen to be swarming together right now.

[00:59:19] I mean, the discussion we're having, granted, it could be answered with evidence.

[00:59:26] And it is a little perplexing given that there are drone, anti-drone systems that drop nets on drones from other drones.

[00:59:38] There hasn't been a press conference once yet so far in the past month from something in New Jersey or the tri-state area here

[00:59:48] where some one of these has been captured.

[00:59:51] I mean, we've heard that there have been some crashes and they've been discovered.

[00:59:55] And there was some memo I saw put out by the New Jersey State Police saying,

[01:00:00] if you see one of these on the ground, you know,

[01:00:03] treat it as potentially dangerous, call a bomb squad, whatever.

[01:00:08] Why are they saying that?

[01:00:10] If we're told there's no threat, why would you need to take those precautions?

[01:00:15] You know, you would think some of these have been recovered by now.

[01:00:20] Any technology, there's going to be some failure rate, right?

[01:00:24] And we would have one of these close up and we could open it up and see what the language is on the inside of the parts.

[01:00:31] You know, how it works.

[01:00:32] We don't have anything yet.

[01:00:33] All we have is that video you're talking about.

[01:00:36] Someone seeing one allegedly in a tree or stuck in a tree or something, right?

[01:00:42] So I think it's a good question.

[01:00:45] I'm kind of an evidence-based guy, too.

[01:00:48] Everything I do is based on some sort of evidence.

[01:00:51] I just think the evidence is a wider range of evidence than mainstream sciences bother to look at.

[01:00:58] But where is the evidence of these objects, a single piece of anything so far?

[01:01:04] That's strange.

[01:01:04] There's a question this morning.

[01:01:06] I think it was this morning.

[01:01:07] That was actually a side-by-side comparison.

[01:01:12] It was supposedly a New Jersey police officer standing next to a crashed drone.

[01:01:19] And then next to him was the famous photo that you got from Roswell where the guy's holding up the pieces.

[01:01:27] They had them side-by-side.

[01:01:28] It's like, this does not look familiar.

[01:01:30] It was almost like a stage thing.

[01:01:32] They're saying this is what fell.

[01:01:33] It's just a drone.

[01:01:34] Normal-looking drone.

[01:01:35] And over here is Roswell with a weather balloon.

[01:01:37] Mm-hmm.

[01:01:38] I was like, that's actually a pretty good comparison.

[01:01:40] Now, I don't know if that photo of the downed drone was actually a real photo from recent stuff.

[01:01:47] But I did see that today.

[01:01:50] Again, it's on the internet, so who the hell knows if it's real or not.

[01:01:56] Yeah, exactly.

[01:01:57] We don't know.

[01:01:58] You and I don't know.

[01:01:59] And neither do people listening to this broadcast.

[01:02:02] But we do have organizations and entities that can look at things like this and come to some decision about it, right?

[01:02:13] Mm-hmm.

[01:02:13] But we sort of expect them to do this.

[01:02:17] So why aren't they doing it?

[01:02:19] I can't believe you didn't go into it.

[01:02:22] So you just had this FAA restriction go into place in New Jersey today about these objects.

[01:02:28] And it said they can use force to bring these objects down if they go into any of these restricted areas, which I, you know, power plants and reservoirs and things like this, military bases.

[01:02:41] So, I mean, I would hope, expect that we get a piece of something to take a look at.

[01:02:48] I mean, don't you just find it a little odd?

[01:02:50] Here we are a month into the New Jersey so-called drone wave.

[01:02:55] And there's no evidence of anything that people can hold up and say, you see, it was a drone and it's made by XYZ company.

[01:03:05] Nothing really seriously with all the resources we have.

[01:03:09] There was a New Jersey State Police helicopter following one and they said they felt concerned about getting too close to it.

[01:03:21] So they broke off the chase.

[01:03:25] What would they be concerned about?

[01:03:27] I don't know.

[01:03:28] I mean, you've got this big helicopter up there and you don't want anything going into your rotor.

[01:03:33] I get that, right?

[01:03:35] Sure, that's true.

[01:03:36] If it's that uncontrolled.

[01:03:37] But if it's a threat to your police helicopter, normally, you know, the police are known to take action.

[01:03:45] If you're like a threat to them, like they're going to do something.

[01:03:48] So it's just odd if you felt this was not obeying FAA regulations and it was above 400 feet and it was a threat to your helicopter.

[01:03:58] I'm assuming could interfere with any of the tail rotor or the main rotor, right?

[01:04:03] And that would be a catastrophe if someone something hits that and it shatters.

[01:04:08] Then you have, you know, when you try to outrun the police on the highway when they're going to give you a ticket and you speed up.

[01:04:17] I mean, do they break off the chase or do they kind of find a way?

[01:04:22] Yeah.

[01:04:22] They can immobilize you if they want.

[01:04:25] They can use lethal force if they invest or if they feel like you're a danger, right?

[01:04:31] So, you know, this is why most of us, when police flash their lights, we pull our car over.

[01:04:38] It's pretty rare that you don't listen to that and you just keep going faster.

[01:04:42] So why is that true in the air that you're not calling other resources?

[01:04:47] You're not dropping a net on it?

[01:04:49] I mean, I don't see seriously, Brandon, I don't see much initiative here to try to figure this out.

[01:04:55] And that makes me a little suspicious, right?

[01:04:58] It's like they want to put the effort in.

[01:05:01] They don't want to talk about it.

[01:05:02] They don't want to put the effort in.

[01:05:04] Exactly.

[01:05:04] I don't understand it.

[01:05:06] If it's, again, if it is a potential hazard and I don't know how real this is other than, again, like you're seeing people posting.

[01:05:19] But I was told by someone that they were around an airport.

[01:05:23] Well, they had to shut down the airport because it was potentially a hazard.

[01:05:30] Well, if you're shutting down flights because these unknown quote-unquote drones could potentially cause an airplane to crash or something flying to crash,

[01:05:43] you would think they'd investigate it more rather than just ignoring it.

[01:05:48] You would think so.

[01:05:50] It's strange.

[01:05:52] It's really strange.

[01:05:53] You know, it's a threat to flight safety.

[01:05:57] People could be hurt or killed from a collision if one of these goes into the engine of a big jet or something, right?

[01:06:04] Right.

[01:06:05] Hits the wing.

[01:06:07] And where is the effort to try to deal with this apart from shutting?

[01:06:16] In my area, Stewart International up by Newburgh, New York was shut down.

[01:06:23] Upstate New York.

[01:06:24] And then I was told that Philadelphia Airport was temporarily shut down for this reason, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.

[01:06:32] And I think several others.

[01:06:35] And you were mentioning copycats in the beginning.

[01:06:37] Maybe some people are doing this and so forth.

[01:06:39] But, I mean, it seems a little lackadaisical here.

[01:06:43] Why not?

[01:06:45] Why not?

[01:06:45] You put some spotlights out and you try to see what you're dealing with here.

[01:06:51] And you, I think I heard one of the FAA administrators or airport administrators saying in testimony today, I was watching this clip from Congress.

[01:07:00] He said, we don't have the authority to do anything about this.

[01:07:04] We don't.

[01:07:05] We could call the police or something, but we're not allowed to.

[01:07:08] We're not in the business of shooting objects down around the airport.

[01:07:13] We have to call someone else to do it.

[01:07:15] So their initial response would be to close it down.

[01:07:20] But I agree.

[01:07:21] This whole thing is strange.

[01:07:22] And the response, drones are one aspect of it.

[01:07:25] And this government response is really odd.

[01:07:27] It doesn't give you a lot of confidence in them, does it?

[01:07:31] They seem like they're disorganized.

[01:07:33] They don't have their messaging together.

[01:07:37] And I think what this speaks to, Brandon, if I can just say this, it has to do with 70 years of avoiding this topic.

[01:07:45] Of just saying it was weather balloons, swamp gas, flocks of geese, or misidentifications of satellites or ice crystals.

[01:07:53] Ever since Roswell, there's been a disinformation campaign to attempt to get the public to be disinterested in the subject, right?

[01:08:04] And it's gone on decade after decade.

[01:08:07] So anytime you have really good legitimate sightings with photographs and video, it's always explained away as being, you know, a weather balloon or flocks of geese or some ridiculous explanation.

[01:08:19] When it could have been one of these objects that people even saw decades ago.

[01:08:23] So it seems to me that the lesson here is avoiding discussion of this topic has led to an inability of government to even deal with it in an intelligent matter when it has to be dealt with, when it's shutting down airports.

[01:08:40] That's getting pretty serious when you're shutting down airports for safety reasons.

[01:08:47] So I think this is created from our own denial.

[01:08:55] It's 70 years of the Robertson panel, which, you know, the government panel, the CIA panel that recommended ridicule of the topic and misinformation to get the public less interested.

[01:09:15] So it would avoid this type of confusion that we're experiencing right now, where government agencies were becoming ineffective and the public was kind of getting hysterical about it.

[01:09:26] And the Robertson panel kind of saw this could happen.

[01:09:28] And they felt during the Cold War, this could be like a threat from the Soviets, you know, to create like psychological warfare.

[01:09:35] So they were the ones that created this policy of ridicule to UFOs and just making fun of the subject and, you know, National Enquirer, the checkout stand with silly articles and things to make you think it was some sort of joke.

[01:09:48] So here we are all these decades later.

[01:09:50] We don't have a capacity to deal with a genuine unknown flight, you know, aerial phenomena that we don't know what it is.

[01:10:03] And, you know, the net effect of this, simply put, Brandon, is to make people distrust the government.

[01:10:09] And it feeds conspiracy theories.

[01:10:12] They've lasted so long, I think, that it's gotten to a point now to where they can't come out and just say things because then they have to admit for the disinformation they've done for 70 plus years.

[01:10:24] Right.

[01:10:24] No, that's a good point.

[01:10:25] Yeah.

[01:10:25] Yeah.

[01:10:26] Right.

[01:10:27] That is.

[01:10:28] That's it.

[01:10:28] That's it.

[01:10:29] It's if you came out and told the truth now, then you'd have to say, well, we just like, yeah, we weren't telling you the truth in the past.

[01:10:36] We've been watching these objects for decades and we don't know what they are.

[01:10:41] And you'd have to say, well, why didn't you tell us?

[01:10:44] Right.

[01:10:45] And they wouldn't have any good reason.

[01:10:46] So that it's sort of like once you start.

[01:10:51] Creating falsehoods, you got to build bigger falsehoods to support the previous falsehoods.

[01:10:56] Right.

[01:10:56] Right.

[01:10:57] It's gotten to the point where it's snowball affecting to where eventually there's going to be something that they can't deny and they're just going to have to play dumb about it.

[01:11:04] Be like, oh, we had no idea.

[01:11:06] Yeah.

[01:11:08] But for me, it's like you've had information for years.

[01:11:12] You wasn't in the public.

[01:11:13] You've used it to try and get some sort of edge on whatever you perceive as enemies.

[01:11:18] You've kept the quiet about from the public eye.

[01:11:22] And now there's more things coming out and we're just going to we're just going to ignore it because, you know.

[01:11:27] I'm going to give you an example of something that that's similar to that I've also followed, which is research.

[01:11:39] And I talk to people.

[01:11:40] The more research I did, the more questionable it seemed whether water fluoridation was really a good idea or not.

[01:11:46] There definitely were risks to it.

[01:11:47] And it didn't seem to be very effective.

[01:11:51] Talking as a statistician, the studies were pretty weak.

[01:11:56] And it took a long time until we had that federal decision from a judge in the Northern California court against the EPA from citizens groups.

[01:12:07] And he ruled that it was a neurotoxin and there was no safe level of fluoride in water.

[01:12:12] The EPA couldn't prove the safety of it.

[01:12:15] And he ordered them a couple of months ago to regulate it like a toxin.

[01:12:19] Right.

[01:12:19] Well, since that time, I'm just using this as an example.

[01:12:23] You could disagree on fluoride or anything, but I'm just using it as an example.

[01:12:27] You've had a lot of other states and municipalities come out saying we think there's too much of a risk to it.

[01:12:37] And this is a practice that's been in the United States since like the 50s.

[01:12:41] Right.

[01:12:42] Water fluoridation.

[01:12:44] And even like the Cochrane report, which is a very well-respected independent research group in the UK, came out with research saying it seems that the benefit, if any, is pretty minimal now, mainly because there's fluoridated toothpaste and mouth rinses and so forth.

[01:13:01] There wasn't those things in the 50s.

[01:13:03] But now there's a lot of ways to get fluoride on your teeth if you want to apply it topically.

[01:13:08] And they're saying the benefit of water fluoridation is just so minimal now.

[01:13:12] It's not clear if it even has any benefits, but there seem to be some risks.

[01:13:17] So it really has to be reassessed.

[01:13:19] And you had the Surgeon General of Florida come out and say this about two weeks ago that he's going to recommend that all municipalities and cities in Florida stop using water fluoridation.

[01:13:30] And every day now, you're talking about the snowball effect.

[01:13:34] And I'm just getting, I'm just using it as an example.

[01:13:37] Every day you're seeing someone come forward from some city in the U.S. or some water district saying we've decided to stop fluoridating.

[01:13:47] So the science can turn around and get people to question something, which it was very hard to question it because the CDC has a lot of power over local municipalities and they give money and so forth.

[01:14:03] A lot of money in some cases to support water fluoridation.

[01:14:07] You had the ADA and all these different trade groups.

[01:14:11] That's really all they are is trade groups of professionals endorsing it.

[01:14:14] And so people that question it were like ridiculed and accused of being flat earthers.

[01:14:22] And, you know, that movie from what was it from the 70s with Peter Sellers about the bomb and so forth.

[01:14:33] Yeah, I can't remember.

[01:14:35] What was that?

[01:14:35] What was that movie?

[01:14:36] Yeah, where they they they you know, they seem like crackpots, you know, and and they they mentioned water fluoridation there.

[01:14:44] With these kind of military crackpots.

[01:14:49] And so.

[01:14:51] So.

[01:14:53] I've seen this before in this whole area of water fluoridation and a similar pattern emerges.

[01:14:59] Once you have a federal court, someone has the guts to go against the entire federal establishment and say, look, I judge.

[01:15:08] I think it's a neurotoxin.

[01:15:11] It's a neurotoxin.

[01:15:11] That's what the evidence shows.

[01:15:12] It lowers IQ.

[01:15:13] And I it has to be reevaluated EPA.

[01:15:16] You have to do something after all these years.

[01:15:19] And then it's there's a snowball effect.

[01:15:21] This is what could happen again with this topic is someone that we trust, like a federal judge or something like this could come forward and say, OK, I've had enough of this.

[01:15:32] Here's what's going on.

[01:15:34] And it could.

[01:15:35] Like you're suggesting, I mean, it could cause a real continuing snowball effect.

[01:15:41] Right.

[01:15:42] Where we really stop trusting the government in a big way because they did such a bad job with this.

[01:15:48] I think.

[01:15:50] The Trump administration seems more open to talking about this than the Biden administration, and they've really, you know, just saying, oh, it's misidentified planes.

[01:16:01] It's what we're saying earlier on.

[01:16:02] Just doesn't wash.

[01:16:03] So then you start to wonder, well, how much else what they're telling us is also fallacy?

[01:16:10] Like, remember, you mentioned the Chinese balloon, right?

[01:16:13] There were three other objects that were shut down besides that balloon.

[01:16:18] In Alaska.

[01:16:21] And the pilots there, I think, are on record saying they didn't know what they were shooting down.

[01:16:26] They're not sure what this thing was.

[01:16:28] There were other witnesses out there.

[01:16:31] And remember going back to the invasion of Iraq, it was justified on weapons of mass destruction.

[01:16:39] Mm hmm.

[01:16:40] And you had these witnesses come forward who we found later have been paid a lot.

[01:16:47] Informants from defectors from Iraq who said, you know, their weapons of mass destruction and there were no weapons of mass destruction.

[01:16:53] I mean, we got involved in an entire war over there for something that didn't exist.

[01:16:58] I think eventually it leads people to be more distrustful.

[01:17:02] Right.

[01:17:03] Government.

[01:17:04] And we can see this pattern.

[01:17:06] So it's not just in this subject area.

[01:17:08] I mean, it can lead to society wasting a lot of resources, money and a lot of people losing their lives in unnecessary wars.

[01:17:16] That are fictitious, where it's made up.

[01:17:19] The facts.

[01:17:21] And in the end of the day, it was a totally different story.

[01:17:28] And it could happen with this, too, because I'm not getting a good feeling so far, Brandon, from the federal response at all.

[01:17:34] It just doesn't feel right to me.

[01:17:36] They have an opportunity to say something intelligent.

[01:17:40] They don't have to say what it is.

[01:17:42] But just to completely deny it and just say that all the people I've spoken to and people you've seen on the news and all those sheriff's departments and state police are seeing these things coming off the ocean or just to tell them, oh, you know, you're misidentifying airplanes like 50 at once.

[01:17:57] It doesn't make sense.

[01:17:58] It just doesn't make sense.

[01:17:59] My thing is someone reported seeing these things coming out of the water.

[01:18:04] Yeah.

[01:18:04] I don't know if any drones that can fly like they come out of the water, then they continue to fly.

[01:18:10] Does that technology exist that we're aware of?

[01:18:12] It's consumer grade where people get that.

[01:18:14] If it comes from out far out of the water and then just flies without issue.

[01:18:20] Like, I don't know about it.

[01:18:21] I don't think so.

[01:18:23] And, yeah, we've heard they're coming over the water.

[01:18:25] I did see a video today, like you're saying, of one that seemed to come down to go into the water.

[01:18:30] I just don't know.

[01:18:32] Again, it's really pushing the limits of conventional technology.

[01:18:37] So, look, this is kind of a win-win situation for those of us who are just interested in reality as it is, right?

[01:18:46] Like, just those of us that are kind of neutral that just want to know what sort of universe we live in, whatever it turns out to be, multiverse, whatever it is.

[01:18:55] The longer this goes on and the government doesn't have any credible response, the more it's likely to the narrative will switch to people more on the lines of the type of conversation we're having here, where we at least have some facts and we know something about it.

[01:19:13] And it really will cause us to reevaluate other issues like happened with fluoride.

[01:19:20] You wonder, well, what else are they telling us that it's just fiction, right?

[01:19:26] So you're the one that used the word snowball effect.

[01:19:29] It can keep snowballing for quite a while.

[01:19:31] It could keep snowballing for a while.

[01:19:33] You eventually have congressional hearings.

[01:19:35] We've had these congressional hearings about UFO, UAP recently in Senate, Congress.

[01:19:39] I know they haven't been very much in depth what we wanted, but it's a start in the right direction.

[01:19:49] And, you know, it just could lead to various departments in the government like losing their credibility in a big way.

[01:20:00] Wasn't the whole, like the disclosure thing with Congress and everything that was put to order, that was one of the last things that the previous Trump administration put into like their fiscal budget, wasn't it?

[01:20:15] Is that how that come about?

[01:20:16] Because I thought that was like one of the, it'd be one of those bills or something.

[01:20:20] It was in there.

[01:20:21] And Congress said that Pentagon has to report to them as National Defense Authorization Act included these provisions to have reporting on UAP.

[01:20:29] That's how we with Arrow.

[01:20:31] Yeah.

[01:20:33] Other.

[01:20:34] I don't believe they really are reporting everything at all, but.

[01:20:38] I don't see how they could be.

[01:20:40] No.

[01:20:42] At least they got a lot more objects to explain now.

[01:20:47] Or ignore.

[01:20:48] Because that seems to be their go-to at the moment.

[01:20:51] Well, yeah.

[01:20:52] So if they ignore it, well, how many other airports are we going to tolerate being shut down?

[01:20:57] It's very expensive.

[01:20:58] Right.

[01:20:59] Do you realize how expensive it is to shut down airports, Brandon?

[01:21:03] At some point, something's going to have to give one way or the other.

[01:21:06] Yeah, that's what I'm suggesting.

[01:21:08] Something has to give and that's what will come out of this.

[01:21:10] I heard Jay Stratton lecture at the Phenomenon Conference in Vernal, Utah earlier this year about being on the UAP task force.

[01:21:21] He was in the first director of the UAP task force.

[01:21:25] One of the initiatives that came out of Congress, I believe, even back then, asking for some reporting from the Pentagon about this.

[01:21:35] And, you know, he said they tried to find where these programs were.

[01:21:38] They never really found any particular UFO program or anything.

[01:21:41] But he said the motivation of the military, maybe UAP task force came out of the Pentagon itself.

[01:21:50] Their motivation was that when they shut down airports or flight training exercises, it's very expensive.

[01:21:59] And he put up a chart of how much all the different aircraft the U.S. Navy and Air Force have cost to run per hour.

[01:22:08] Right.

[01:22:09] And get ready for combat simulations and all this.

[01:22:15] And I mean, the cheapest one is the A-10 Warthog at something like $15,000 an hour.

[01:22:20] And it just goes up from there through these different planes that we're all familiar with.

[01:22:26] Through the F-16 to the F-35, right?

[01:22:29] F-18s.

[01:22:30] They end up costing like $30,000, $40,000 an hour per hour to run.

[01:22:38] And so if they're doing flight training exercises and they have to be canceled because these types of objects come into their airspace, you know, you multiply that by 20 planes, a couple hours of operation, you're talking millions of dollars getting thrown down the drain.

[01:22:57] Right.

[01:22:58] Yeah.

[01:22:59] So and I would imagine with civilian airplanes, too, I mean, they close down airports.

[01:23:03] People can't go where they're going.

[01:23:04] That's very expensive.

[01:23:07] So, yeah, something's going to have to give.

[01:23:10] I don't know if this just will fade away like other waves of these types of objects.

[01:23:14] We don't know.

[01:23:15] But, I mean, I would imagine, Brandon, like you're saying, eventually something gives.

[01:23:19] And that's my feeling about it.

[01:23:21] So we're all in the catbird seat here.

[01:23:24] We will be watching what happens.

[01:23:25] You know, we've got a lot of advantages now.

[01:23:27] We've got shows like this one.

[01:23:30] We've got social media news shows about this.

[01:23:34] Even new news programs like News Nation, which you've probably seen, Ross, Coolhart and others.

[01:23:43] Reality Check.

[01:23:46] That syndicate.

[01:23:47] I forget where they're from.

[01:23:48] They're from the Chicago area.

[01:23:49] I mean, they cover this very well in addition to other news subjects.

[01:23:54] So we have new news outlets.

[01:23:57] And I think in the long run, we could have people come forward to tell us what they know, what they've seen, even if they don't know the answer to this, what the motivations are of our elected officials.

[01:24:10] And we've got a new presidential administration coming in with a lot of independently minded people, it seems, you know, in cabinet positions and so forth.

[01:24:21] So with all the technology we have around us, and this is something that Hal Puthoff has said for a long time, someone who was in OSAP, one of the Pentagon UFO programs for a couple of years.

[01:24:36] I think it was 2010, eight through 10 or so, and then ATIP afterwards for a couple of years.

[01:24:43] He said there's too many sensor systems around now to ignore these objects.

[01:24:48] And he's someone who worked in these programs.

[01:24:50] Yeah.

[01:24:51] It's just not ignorable anymore.

[01:24:53] You can't keep putting better and better sensor systems in airplanes and satellites and other systems.

[01:25:00] You're simply going to see more of what's there.

[01:25:03] And this is what's there.

[01:25:05] And eventually you can't, you can't just make up bogus explanations anymore.

[01:25:10] There's too much evidence.

[01:25:12] And it becomes increasingly expensive to hide all of that evidence.

[01:25:16] And so that's what we're seeing right now.

[01:25:19] So eventually it does change.

[01:25:20] I know we can all get kind of cynical about this because we've been around for decades where we've been exposed to this misinformation.

[01:25:27] But I think it's changing.

[01:25:28] I think it's changing.

[01:25:31] I would hope so.

[01:25:32] So it's getting to the point to where it's, it's becoming tiring to try and decipher what's real and not real.

[01:25:40] What's the constant.

[01:25:42] Oh, I'm seeing things.

[01:25:44] Cause here's, I've talked about this before and I don't want to always bring it up, but like literally last year we saw something in our backyard, like out in the fields, behind our yard.

[01:25:53] And it was an orange glowing ball for whatever reason, it looked like a flare and it isn't out of the realm of possibility that it could have been a flare because ironically enough, a few miles down the road, there was a factory that makes emergency stuff.

[01:26:11] And some of those things are actually flares.

[01:26:13] So I just assumed at the time, maybe someone was testing a flare.

[01:26:17] I've lived here almost my whole life.

[01:26:19] Like in this general area, I've never seen them test flares, but it doesn't mean it's not a possibility.

[01:26:28] I yelled for my wife and son.

[01:26:30] They come out and looked at it.

[01:26:31] And I've made critical comments to people about how can people say they've been watching this thing and ever wants to, we all have a phone in our pocket with, it has a camera on it.

[01:26:41] Why did no one record it?

[01:26:42] Why did I never once thought about recording it?

[01:26:45] And I watched it for like five minutes.

[01:26:47] It was stationary.

[01:26:48] stationary.

[01:26:48] It ended up moving a little bit.

[01:26:50] It went up and then it just faded out.

[01:26:52] Then after the fact, I was like, I probably should have recorded that.

[01:26:56] Well, just a few weeks ago, same thing was going on.

[01:27:01] I could see it out behind the barn.

[01:27:02] I yelled for my wife.

[01:27:04] We watched it moving.

[01:27:06] But then I noticed it kind of turned and then it did like a couple blinks and then disappeared.

[01:27:13] So if there was an airplane, where are they going?

[01:27:16] Like they just, if it has a light on like the, but they're orange.

[01:27:19] I don't know of any airplanes.

[01:27:20] Usually you see the red and the green.

[01:27:23] This is just solid.

[01:27:26] So I don't, which is funny.

[01:27:29] That's what people were reporting back in October that they'd seen were orange or they were like a pattern.

[01:27:34] So I don't know.

[01:27:35] That sounds to me like ball lightning.

[01:27:37] Yeah.

[01:27:39] So.

[01:27:39] And that does exist.

[01:27:40] And one out of 20 people in air force study in 1993.

[01:27:44] Uh, you can look it up.

[01:27:46] Jay Reese Roth funded by the air force.

[01:27:49] He said in there that one in 20 Americans have seen ball lightning and not probably not known what they've seen.

[01:27:56] Hmm.

[01:27:58] It's a possibility.

[01:28:00] I don't, I have no idea what it was other than the fact that it looked just stationary for like the thing on the back was literally in the same spot for over five minutes that we were watching it.

[01:28:10] So I don't know.

[01:28:11] They can behave in very strange ways.

[01:28:14] Ball lightning.

[01:28:15] Uh, there's suggestions that it seems sentient.

[01:28:20] Sometimes it's quite strange.

[01:28:21] Even the ball lightning researchers, hard cut and dried scientists suggest that it has overlap with UFOs, which no one quite understands.

[01:28:29] But that to me sounds very much like orb ball lightning type of phenomenon.

[01:28:37] Which we've talked about a little bit before, like one of these other, like even these, uh, Bigfoot things where they can move in.

[01:28:45] Now I've wondered maybe if these things that we're seeing, because people report seeing orbs when they see Bigfoot sometimes.

[01:28:51] Right.

[01:28:51] Right.

[01:28:51] It's like, I wonder if we're actually seeing like balls of energy from that other plane.

[01:28:57] And like, we're seeing these things moving and I'm not saying it's a UFO.

[01:29:01] I'm not saying it's a Bigfoot because this thing was in the air, but like, what if it's that?

[01:29:06] And then we're just kind of peeking into our reality, like into our frequency wavelength.

[01:29:10] Yeah.

[01:29:10] I think that's a good possibility.

[01:29:11] Yeah.

[01:29:14] Well, we've been going on for about an hour and a half.

[01:29:16] So we probably wrap this one up, but before we do, you said you have a YouTube channel, everything.

[01:29:22] Is there anything you'd want to let the audience know where they can check you out?

[01:29:26] Yeah, sure.

[01:29:27] My YouTube channel is Fractal Friend.

[01:29:30] You can look me up.

[01:29:30] Fractal Friend.

[01:29:32] I have over 500 videos about these topics.

[01:29:35] Started in 2009.

[01:29:38] A lot of videos there.

[01:29:40] My blog is newcrystalmind.com.

[01:29:45] Newcrystalmind.com.

[01:29:46] And you can see everything I'm involved with, remote viewing classes and books and so forth.

[01:29:52] And my Patreon page, where I often post things that I'm doing, you know, on a rapid basis.

[01:30:01] That is darkmattermysteries.com on Patreon.

[01:30:06] So those are some places where you can find them.

[01:30:09] Awesome.

[01:30:10] Well, it's been a pleasure talking to you.

[01:30:12] Yeah.

[01:30:12] I enjoy having conversations, especially with relatively, like, topics that are actually going on right now.

[01:30:19] Yeah.

[01:30:20] And the drone thing is a big interest of mine.

[01:30:24] So I keep saying drones.

[01:30:26] I don't want to call them drones.

[01:30:28] But literally, that's just what's been programmed in my head at this point to call them drones.

[01:30:31] Because I don't think they're all drones.

[01:30:34] But...

[01:30:35] Well, at least you're not droning on and on.

[01:30:38] Right.

[01:30:38] I appreciate talking with you.

[01:30:41] Yeah.

[01:30:43] We'll talk to you another time, okay?

[01:30:45] Yep.

[01:30:45] Not a problem.

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