Tinfoil Talks: Dissecting Dogman with Vic Cundiff

[00:00:03] And I just turned around and I pulled ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with that. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my headlights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most were the eyes were glowing red.

[00:00:30] I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And when he begins to tell them that he saw a UFO, they're basically like, what are you talking about? That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it. And that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose, and the eyes.

[00:00:58] As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, it felt like death. Welcome back to a very special episode of Tinfoil Tales. Tonight I'm going to be joined by the one and only Vic Cundiff. For any of you out there listening, you might know Vic. He is the OG of Dogman Podcasting. He created Dogman Encounters Radio, I would say probably over 10 years ago now at this point.

[00:01:23] But Vic is an OG in the podcast realm. He was actually one of the first people that I had shared my experience with. So I'm definitely looking forward to talking to Vic. I think it's going to be a great conversation. But before we bring him on, if you've ever had an experience and you would like to be on an episode of Tinfoil Tales, there's a couple things you can do. You can send an email to tinfoiltalespodcast at gmail.com or you can go to tinfoiltales.com and go to the contact section. Just make sure to reach out and we will get something scheduled for a future episode.

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[00:03:27] For anyone out there, you might know Vic from Dogman Encounters Radio and some of the other podcasts he has, but to give a good welcome here to Vic. Thanks for coming on here and talking to me tonight. Well, thanks so much for having me. I appreciate it. You were one of the first people that I'd actually talked to about my experience.

[00:03:46] I spoke to one other show when I first kind of got started because I was at a convention and I sat down with them in person and I kind of talked a little bit about it. But you were the first person I actually reached out to and talked a little bit about what had happened to me and why I do what I do in my experience. So it's an honor to have you on my show now, like a couple of years later to actually talk to you about it because again, you're like one of the first podcasts ever really went on.

[00:04:14] Well, it's an honor to be here. So thanks again for inviting me. Not a problem. Would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself and how you kind of, to me, I say this is a compliment or whatever, like you're one of the original pioneers of this whole podcasting cryptic realm for me. Cause you've been doing it for almost 10 or more years, I think at this point. So what got you into doing the podcast plus like of all ones that go into like dog man.

[00:04:44] Cause you're far as I know is like the first one that kind of started off doing dog man stuff. Well, back in 2007, a podcast I used to listen to all the time, a Sasquatch specific podcast called campfire shadows. There was a host named Jim bear King. And then also another gentleman named Shane McMahon.

[00:05:06] Shane at the time was more of a cohost than Jim King bear as everyone in the cryptic community knows him. Bear was actually the host. Well, bear has always been much more drawn to the woods than never trying to do things like hosting a podcast. So after hosting that show for maybe a year or two, I think he kind of got tired of it and wanted to get his freedom back.

[00:05:33] The freedom he had when he could actually just head into the woods at pretty much any time. Well, as he was talking about leaving the show, he brought up the fact that he was going to be looking for someone to replace him. So he was talking on this one particular episode about how he would need to find a replacement soon because he was planning to maybe post one or two more shows. And that was it.

[00:06:00] And when he mentioned that he was going to throw out some ideas for replacements, the first name he put out there on that episode was my name. And I thought, wow, I was just at that point, just a regular in their their chat room listening to their shows on a religious basis. I thought, wow, I don't think I could do that. And I typed in a message in the chat room that fact that I didn't think I could do it. And he said he thought I'd be perfect for it.

[00:06:29] Well, one thing led to another and I decided to give it a try. So I wound up being a cohost on that show. And Shane, he took over the reins of being the actual host. And yeah, the rest is history. I was a cohost on that show for about two years. And towards the end of that show, maybe four or five episodes before I actually left the show.

[00:06:53] Bear came on with Tim Kumba Baker and they were talking about this outing they had gone on the weekend prior. And they were talking about how somebody in the group had seen what they called a dog face booger. Well, I knew what a booger was. That's a southern term for a Sasquatch. But a dog face booger? What in the world is that? Well, after the show, I got with them and I found out what they were talking about was a dog man. And I'd never really put any thought into this whole dog man phenomenon before.

[00:07:22] I think I might have heard about them before that or maybe I hadn't. But it wasn't long before I started thinking of the fact that if you have a Sasquatch encounter that you need help with, coming to terms with, you can almost go to your local grocery store and find someone to help you. But if you've had a dog man encounter that's traumatized, where do you go? Who do you speak with? So I thought, you know what? There's a real need here.

[00:07:47] And years later, I put the pieces together to start to put dogmanaccounters.com online. And then about a year after dogmanaccounters.com was online, I heard the first episode of Dog Man Encounters Radio. That was in 2014. So the rest is history. I haven't looked back since then.

[00:08:12] It's weird to me in the sense of this whole phenomenon because I had my experience in 2007 and I had no idea. I thought werewolf because I didn't know what a dog man would never heard of that before. And it wasn't up until I think it was 2020. Now, I'd seen some stuff on TV where people had talked about having werewolf encounters or stuff like that.

[00:08:38] But again, the whole dogman thing wasn't really as mainstream. I say mainstream loosely. But in the cryptic community, it's pretty popular now. But back in those days, it wasn't really talked about. You always heard about Bigfoot. You didn't really hear a whole lot about Dog Man. And now it seems like it's a lot more, I don't want to say encounters are happening, but people are talking about them more so.

[00:09:06] And it's kind of fascinating to me in the sense because, like you just mentioned, you could always find someone to talk about Bigfoot because at that point it became so open about it, especially around 2000, I think it was 9, 2010 when Finding Bigfoot was on. So I think that really kind of popularized the whole Bigfoot aspect to it.

[00:09:32] But other than that, like this whole Dog Man thing, a lot of people claim that this is a new thing. Dog Man is brand new. I was like, well, if you go through history, there's been reports of this type of stuff for over a thousand years. It's just a matter of what people want to interpret it as. Like there's been stories of upright walking canines reported all over the world. So it's just a matter of, is it a Dog Man? Are people calling werewolves a Dog Man? You know what I mean?

[00:10:03] Oh no, I agree. I know exactly what you're saying. Yeah, I think in Europe when the legends of werewolves came to be, I think it was just a matter of people actually seeing Dog Man. And due to their limited understanding of the world, they just saw this bipedal cryptid walking around that looked like a beast, a hominid beast. And they thought, okay, well, it's got to be a person using black magic to transform into that state.

[00:10:30] So that's where the whole werewolf idea came around when these guys look the way they do 24-7, 365. Yeah, that's kind of how I feel about it too. I don't, this will upset a few people, but when you hear werewolf, I think the term for that is, I think it is like a mistaken identity to an extent. Because I don't think people are morphing into these things. I think these things are already full form at all times.

[00:11:00] I'm not one that really believes in the metamorphosis of a person getting in the moonlight and turning into this big ravenous werewolf thing. That's, I know that's what the stories claim years ago, but I think like people were just kind of mistaken about how it worked. I think these things were already out there, like same with Bigfoot. Oh, no, I agree. Couldn't agree more.

[00:11:20] I'm not going to rule out the possibility in this crazy world where we have things like subatomic particles called quarks that can literally wink in and wink out of existence. If that's possible, and if that actually does definitely happen, which it does, then what is impossible? Nothing's impossible. But yeah, I mean, that's one of those things. It's really hard to believe that that's the case. Again, it's possible. I'm not going to rule it out. But yeah, I agree.

[00:11:49] I think that when people see things that look like dog men or in their minds, a werewolf, I think it's just a dog man and that's all there is to it. So that's my two cents on it also. Once you started looking into these things and talking to people, how's it kind of change your perspective on the whole phenomena?

[00:12:10] Well, over the years, after talking to a ridiculous number of eyewitnesses, I mean, in the thousands of them, thousands upon thousands of eyewitnesses. When I started out, I thought, okay, this definitely has to be a case of flesh and blood creatures out there in the woods trying to scratch out a living.

[00:12:28] But after you've spoken with so many credible people who report to you about seeing these things do so many things that can't be explained away by them being flesh and blood creatures, they have to have some kind of ethereal qualities. That's one of the biggest changes in my paradigm regarding dog men that I've experienced over the years.

[00:12:51] The fact that I think there is something else to these guys that makes them quite a bit more than just flesh and blood creatures with no special abilities. If you think about it, how could a very credible eyewitness have a dog man encounter on vacation in Maine one day? They freak out, understandably so.

[00:13:14] Fly home that night, and then the next morning in Florida where they live, they go out back and they encounter the exact same dog man. You just can't explain that away as being a flesh and blood creature. So when you hear about things like that time after time after time, there's going to come a point where you realize that there has to be some there there.

[00:13:38] Yeah, I've heard similar stories with people with Sasquatch things too, where they claim that they'd seen something and then they've traveled halfway across the country. And it's in the window of their camper trailer looking in on the same one that they'd seen like a couple days prior. How do you explain that? Like it doesn't add up. Yeah, I agree. They have to be from the ether or have some sort of ethereal qualities. That's the only way to explain it.

[00:14:07] Yeah, it's very... I try and remain more like grounded on the aspects of a lot of things, but the more I've been digging into this stuff, like the more you can't stay 100% flesh and blood grounded to a lot of this phenomenon. If it's all what everyone's describing, there's no way a physical flesh and blood creature could just manifest itself instantaneously somewhere else.

[00:14:35] Like you'd seen it over here and all of a sudden now it's like a thousand miles away and hey, here I am. It just doesn't work that way. Oh, I agree. Some of the other things they do as well. I mean, there have been very credible eyewitnesses, tons of them that have reported seeing them cloak, just practically disappear or it appeared like they walked into some sort of a portal. So you just can't dismiss that. If it was a case of one or two people saying that sort of thing, that's one thing.

[00:15:04] But when you've heard it from so many people who obviously are credible people, they're not crazy, they're quite sane, then how can you ignore that? You can't. That is the one thing that I can attest to with people is when you actually have an experience and then you sit on it and you rationalize on it for so many years and you try and write it off as something explainable, but there's really no way of actually explaining it.

[00:15:35] That's like the biggest struggle that I've had is trying to come to terms with what actually went on. And that's why I do what I do because I've been wanting answers. I've been searching for a truth. I want to know what happened. I want to know what this thing really was. That's kind of why I started my show. That's why I talked with you because you'd interviewed someone from my local town to see something similar to mine.

[00:15:58] So, like, I've been trying to find people from around my area that have had the same sort of experiences and I've actually been contacted by several different people now. And I'm working on doing a documentary for this area. So, for me, it's like, it's my next evolution of searching for answers. And a lot of people say, oh, you don't need to go out there and do that. My friend that's helping me film it asked me what we're going to do if we actually find something. I was like, I haven't gotten that far into the plan yet. Like, I'm just putting it together.

[00:16:28] If we go out there, we see something, then awesome. I want to find my proof. But other than that, I don't know what's going to happen afterwards. Well, as long as you go about it the right way, I think you'll be just fine. But there are a lot of Sasquatch researchers out there, dogmen researchers who don't go about it the right way. They just throw caution to the wind and they do all sorts of things where it just seems like they're begging to be harmed.

[00:16:54] I don't know why they do that, but I wish it was a lot more rare of an instance than it is, but it's not. And it just makes you wonder why it's that way, why people do that. I don't really have, like, for me it might sound weird for people listening, but I don't have any expectations of actually seeing something. Because I'm in the mindset of you're actually going out looking for something, you're more than likely not going to find what you're looking for.

[00:17:24] Especially when it comes to these types of things, creatures, whatever you want to call them. I feel like they know what you're doing. Like, even with whatever your intent is, not just dogman, but even like Sasquatch or some of these other things. I think they all have the ability somehow to know what someone's doing. So if they want to show themselves, they might. But a lot of the time, I don't think they do unless there's a reason why they do it. I don't think they do it just for the sake of doing it. I think there's always a purpose as to why they do it.

[00:17:53] But, yeah, that's a really good point. It does seem like they have the ability, Sasquatch too, it does seem like both of them have the ability to tell what's on your mind. I don't know how they do that, but if we're talking about ethereal beings, then who knows what the limits of their abilities are.

[00:18:12] But if you think about the advantage that would give them, it's no wonder it's so hard to catch them unaware and get photos of them and get tangible proof. But if that is a definite quality they have, an ability they have to read what's on your mind, then they're going to know that you're there in the woods before you do. So they'd have every advantage. I think that's a...

[00:18:41] The most compelling encounters that I've always heard is when someone just so happens to come across one. They weren't looking for it, they're just kind of out minding their own business, and they happen to see something. That is to me like the most... I guess I don't want to say logical, but the term that I'm looking for, I can't really think about it. But it's basically... I feel like it just happened. They weren't searching for it. It's more natural.

[00:19:11] It was just like they were in their environment. Here I am. So... And I watch a lot of these shows on TV or whatever. They're out looking for Bigfoot or anything like that. Very rarely do they ever find anything compelling, at least to me. So I don't expect to go out there and find anything compelling, because again, I think if you're out there looking for these types of things, they kind of already know what you're doing, so they're not going to just present themselves to you. It's almost like you have to be not expecting it.

[00:19:42] Yeah, it is more impressive when you have someone contact you and tell you about their encounter. Someone who wasn't actually looking for a Sasquatch or looking for a dog man. But, I mean, there are credible eyewitnesses, too, who actually were looking for them. But in the case of Finding Bigfoot, for example, I mean, when they do that, they do that to film the shows, not to actually have encounters.

[00:20:06] It'd be nice, their mindset is, it'd be nice if we had an encounter, but all of those people know more than enough about Sasquatch to realize that when you have a sound man with you and this person with you, the lighting specialist and all these people with you, they know your chances of having an actual experience are nil. Or almost nil. So, they realize that if they really wanted to have good luck, they'd have to go about it a different way.

[00:20:33] But that's pretty much just for theatrics, of course. But, yeah, I mean, no matter how you, what angle you take trying to have an encounter, I guess you can't rule out the possibility no matter how you go about it. Right. I say, if it's going to happen, it's going to happen. They could be out looking for you. Couldn't be out taking your trash out and see something along the edge of the road. You never know. Yeah. But, yeah. You're right.

[00:20:59] For me, it's always interesting, though, because I've lived in this same area ever since it happened. And I've never saw anything again. It's been 18 years now. It'll be 18 years next month. And I've been searching for it ever since then. And some people say, well, you're crazy because why do you want to see it? Why do you want to encounter it again? A lot of people, like, you've asked me before, and I'll bring this up.

[00:21:28] You asked me how it affected me, and I told you at the time, I was like, it didn't have an effect on me. But I got thinking about that because look what I do. I'm doing a show. I'm wanting to go out and film these things. It's brought my curiosity out to where I have to find the answers. And the problem is I kind of accept the fact that I might not ever get that answer. So I think that's the hardest thing for me to chew on is the fact that I might never know.

[00:22:00] Well, when you have an experience, an encounter with one of these things, talking about Sasquatch or dogman, there are so many reasons why it raises so much curiosity and eyewitnesses. I mean, number one, ever since you were a kid, it's been hammered into your head that monsters don't exist. We know all the larger animals that you might find out in the woods, or I should say creatures more accurately, that you might find out in the woods, in the woods near you.

[00:22:30] If you're in the woods out west, then you know, depending on the area, you might run into a mule deer. You might run into an elk or maybe even a moose. Or even in Maine, you might run into a moose. Or if you're in a different area, then okay, well, I might run into a mountain lion or a whitetail. But when you have an encounter with a Sasquatch or a dogman, I mean, that just flies in the face of everything you've ever been taught about how this world works.

[00:22:56] That I think it knocks you off your comfort base so much that, I mean, it just causes an insatiable curiosity. If they're out there, what else could be out there? And if they're real, which I saw with my own two eyes, I want to know every last thing possible about these things.

[00:23:19] So I think it's only natural that eyewitnesses wind up having such a hunger to learn more about these guys when they have encounters with them. When you had your experience, you want to talk about that here in a second. Is that kind of what got you into all of this phenomenon in the first place? Oh, no. No, I was interested in Sasquatch well before that. Yeah, I was. Should I go into it now? Yeah, you can go right into it. Okay.

[00:23:47] Well, I've had a couple, I actually think three, four experiences now. No definitive Class A's I can point to and say, see right there, that's my Class A. I can't do that. But I've had, I think, three, four experiences that I'm pretty much convinced were Sasquatch experiences. The first one happened right around 45 years ago, 45-ish or so years ago when I was deer hunting. And I was deer hunting in the middle of nowhere.

[00:24:16] I mean, absolute nowhere. I had a neighbor who, he was an outdoorsman in the true essence of the phrase. I mean, this guy. I used to go down there and sit on that man's couch and listen to him share experience after experience where he'd talk about hunting trips he had taken. And he had gone camping and all these amazing places.

[00:24:40] And also, too, he'd talk about other people's experiences hunting tigers and all that stuff. Never got tired of it. I just couldn't get enough, actually. Well, there came a day where he said, you know what? You ask all these questions about the outdoors and about hunting. Why don't you get your hunter safety license by taking the hunter safety course? And if you do that, then I'll take you down to the farm with me. And we'll head down there the day before opening day of deer season.

[00:25:09] And I'll show you the ropes. So I said, okay, well, that sounds good. Sounds like a plan. So I went and took the hunter safety course and got my license. And before you knew it, it was the day before opening day of season. And just like you promised, we went down to his farm. And when we were pulling in the lane of his farm, you had to drive way back through the woods, number one, off the highway to even get to the farm.

[00:25:35] But as we were pretty close to the house on his lane, I looked over to my right and I saw a bay horse. And I loved horses. He knew I loved horses. And I made a comment about that horse. And he said, now watch out. That's red. Stay away from him. He'll kill you. And right about that time, another bay came into view up ahead on the right. And he said, that's, and I forgot the horse's name. He said, he's fine. You can pet him if you want.

[00:26:05] And we kept on going, got to the actual house and got our stuff out and headed in. And it wasn't too long before nightfall at that point. So, you know, he shared a few more things with me. He had been schooling me all the while for some time about what to do, what not to do when you're out there hunting deer. Well, he gave me a few more tips. And before you knew it, it was time to go to bed. So I headed upstairs into the attic. That's where my bed was, where I was going to sleep.

[00:26:35] And he went to bed in his bedroom. And then next thing you knew, it was really early the next morning when we were scheduled to wake up. So we woke up. I went downstairs after getting dressed. And we had breakfast, a light breakfast. And then we got dressed and headed out the door. Well, he told me that the plan was, he said, I'm going to walk you out to a spot that I've already got picked for you. And I'm going to leave you there at that spot.

[00:27:04] And then I'm going to walk a couple of ridges over and just hunt there. I'm going to hunt there until just before nightfall. Then I'll come back and get you on the way back to the house. So I said, okay, that sounds like a plan. So we walked out the door and we walked and walked and walked through the woods. And this area had big hollows. You'd walk down a huge slope of a hollow, back up the other slope, big slope.

[00:27:33] Well, we walked over, I don't know how many of those hollows down up, down up until finally we got to this one spot in this big hollow, another big hollow where he said, all right, this is your spot. He said, go ahead and lean up against this tree. And remember everything I told you. And right before dark, I'll come back and get you on the way back to the house and we'll see how you do.

[00:27:54] So he left me there and he disappeared over the top of that ridge after walking up the other bank of that hollow. And like he had taught me, I did everything that he told me to do. And for too long, the sun came up because it was dark. It wasn't even dawn yet at that point. Right. Well, for too long, the sun came up and I'm just sitting there remembering everything he told me and no sudden movements and all that. And I'm just looking around, just soaking up nature, having a great time.

[00:28:23] Well, nothing happened. Nothing was moving. No squirrels even. It was just dead. Well, if I remember right, I think sometime maybe a hereafter noonish or so. All of a sudden, I heard this loud horse whinny right behind me. It sounded like it was almost right on the other side of this big tree I'm leaning up against.

[00:28:46] Well, when I heard that whinny, unfortunately, my mind went to that place where it probably shouldn't have gone, but it did. I thought, oh, no, it's red. Red followed us out here. And now he's right behind the tree I'm leaning up against. Right about that time, I heard this loud horse blow. Well, for anyone who knows horses, they know that if they know horses well, they understand that horses cannot breathe through their mouth. They can only breathe through their nostrils.

[00:29:15] That's why you hear horses being so particular about clearing their nostrils. Blowing like that gently because that's the only way that they can breathe. Well, if you spend any time around horses, you've noticed that every once in a while, they probably get something crossways and they do a real blow. It's a real loud concussive blow where they just empty their lungs instantly. It's like a cough almost.

[00:29:44] Well, because of their lung volume, it's just freaky because it's so loud. It's so concussive. If you're not expecting it, it'll make you jump out of your boots. It's that loud. It's that sudden and violent. Well, the sound I heard behind me that was just feet behind me on the other side of that tree, I'm a big guy.

[00:30:10] And even at that, my lungs aren't even close to having the volume required to make that sound, that concussive sound that I heard behind me. The lungs that I heard attached to whatever creature it was had to have been probably, I'd say, a thousand pounder. Literally the size of an average horse to be able to move that much air and be that concussive in the sound that I heard. Well, I looked around the tree to one direction.

[00:30:39] I think my right was the first direction I leaned and looked, and then I didn't see anything. I looked the other way around the tree. Didn't see anything. Well, putting two and two together, the slope of the hollow, the huge hollow I was in, was too steep. Sleep. Was too steep for a horse to even think about wanting to traverse. Number two, there was tons of tree trash.

[00:31:02] There was over a foot, I'd say, of sycamore leaves, oak leaves, all sorts of detrius that would have made it so I'd hear a horse coming from a mile away. But never heard anything. It was just silent. So when you put two and two together, that's why I think it had to have been a Sasquatch. I don't know what else it could have been. But, again, that's not a class say. I didn't see anything that day.

[00:31:29] All I can do is just tell you what I experienced. And then there was another time when I was walking way out in the country. And about a quarter mile ahead of me, I'd walked way out to where I was at the time of the sighting and turned around to head back to the truck.

[00:31:50] Well, as I turned around and walked a short distance, about a quarter mile up ahead of me, there was this arched bridge that went over this brook that I had crossed to get to where I was at at the time. Well, I saw this black figure. Wasn't really running. It was more of a jog. But I could see its head and shoulders at first as it was on the other side of the arched bridge.

[00:32:16] And then all of a sudden I could see more and more of it as it was running or jogging up the hump of the bridge and then over the top and then down to my side. Well, the way it was running was weird. The way it was almost plucking its feet off the ground in a strange way. I've never seen any person run that way before. And this individual was jet black. Jet black.

[00:32:41] He either had a sweatshirt hood pulled up and that's why his head was kind of pointed. But I can't definitively say that it was a Sasquatch, a type one Sasquatch's head, because I was just too far away to make out the detail, enough detail to determine definitively what it was. There was a green field on either side of me that was about six feet tall.

[00:33:05] So I was barely able to see over the top of the green field all the way to that bridge where it was running or jogging up and over that arched bridge. But its movements just didn't remind me of how I've ever seen a human move. So that's why I definitely wonder if that wasn't a Sasquatch. Again, I can't say definitively that it was because I'd be lying. I didn't see enough.

[00:33:31] But it was definitely a possibility. So that was that experience. And then there was another time I was heading down the country road, driving the truck. And I looked down for whatever reason. And then I looked back up. And then from right to left, I saw what I just took a double take. And I thought, was that a Sasquatch's leg that I saw disappear behind that tree? There was a big tree up ahead, a Catawba.

[00:34:00] It was probably about 100 to 150 yards up ahead on the left. Except I saw this figure, what I thought was a figure, disappearing behind that tree. I saw its leg, what I thought was a Sasquatch's leg, disappear behind that Catawba tree trunk. And it was a big tree too. So as I got far enough up the road to be even with that tree, I'm looking to see, okay, if it was a Sasquatch. Is it around still? I didn't see anything.

[00:34:28] So that could have easily been my eyes playing tricks on me. I don't know. Well, but it's a crazy world to say the least. Yeah, definitely. The one that you saw running up by the bridge, I don't see why a person would be running up that way and trying to jump over the side of the bridge. It's just kind of strange in general. Well, see, that's the thing. It wasn't trying to jump over the side of the bridge. It was an arched bridge.

[00:34:56] And the way it was running was just, like I said, so weird because of the way it was plucking. It would pluck, pluck, pluck, pluck its feet. Kind of pluck its feet up off the ground in an unnecessary way. There's no need to do that, especially if you're trying to be efficient. I just don't know why, whatever the subject was, why it was moving like that. But yeah, it was just, its movements were off. It just didn't look right in considering that.

[00:35:26] And it was black, black. Black, I just, and then the shape of the point of its head, that could have easily been a sweatshirt hood that a person had pulled up. Just, I can't say definitively what it was, but what I witnessed that day just didn't make sense. Yeah.

[00:35:45] That's the, it's interesting when people have these experiences, but it's also more mind-boggling because especially when you don't exactly know. So everyone questions what it was. They think they saw something, but without actually knowing. I mean, and that's where I think a lot of the struggles come from is trying to figure out exactly what happened. At least for me is you're always thinking about it. Oh, definitely.

[00:36:15] One of the frustrating things about that day was I had that greenfield to block my view when it was up on the bridge. I could really see all of it pretty much, but after it came up and over onto my side and it was actually on ground level. Well, that greenfield blocked pretty much all of it. The subject wasn't very big though, as far as Sasquatch go, if that's what it was.

[00:36:39] I mean, looking at it compared to the rails on that bridge, it probably wasn't that much taller than I am. It might've been six, nine ish or something like that, but it wasn't like typical Sasquatch size or anything like that. So I don't know. I just don't know.

[00:36:58] I don't know if they've determined that it's all guesstimation, but didn't they determine by analyzing like the Patterson Gimlin film that they thought that that one was only like six and a half feet. That was the initial hypothesis. But later on, I watched a show on that that used more recent technology and their guess was that it was seven feet, maybe seven foot six. If I remember right.

[00:37:27] As I know, they've done a lot of new technology where they slowed it down and they brought up in 4k and you can see like the muscle movements and the definitions and stuff. But there's still people out there claiming as a man in a suit, but they've never been able to reproduce a suit that looked anything like that. No, not at all. What I saw though, wasn't all that wide either. It didn't have three foot, four foot wide shoulders. It's shoulders weren't really that much wider than mine.

[00:37:55] I'd say if they were wider, I've got two foot wide shoulders and it's shoulders must've been pretty darn close to that. I'd say so. I don't know. All I can do is just tell you what I witnessed and experienced and leave the cards laying where they lay. Yep. Which is why I honestly appreciate that because some people would say, oh, I saw this, but you're not saying you saw a big foot because you're not a hundred percent sure. And a lot of people will just say, oh yeah, I saw this.

[00:38:26] So the honesty is the best quality. I think when people talk to other people about what they experienced, because if you don't really know, don't say it's something just, I saw this. It was weird. I don't really know what it was. Yeah, that's the best way to handle it. Here's a funny, here's another funny twist about that experience that day. It was too hot in my opinion to be wearing a sweatshirt, but this was definitely after the time where it became common for kids to start wearing sweatshirts, even when it was hot out.

[00:38:55] So just because it was, it was definitely too warm for me to want to wear a sweatshirt. That doesn't preclude the chance that it wasn't some big guy that for whatever reason, some young big guy had it in his mind that he wanted to wear a jet black sweatshirt. So you can't rule that out either. My kids today, they are the ones that they don't so much want to wear the things when it's hot out, but they want to wear nothing when it's freezing out here.

[00:39:22] When it's like nine degrees outside, they'll try and walk outside not wearing a jacket. Yeah. Well, what can you say about kids? No. When I was a kid, I never wanted to wear a jacket when it was hot outside, but anytime it was cold, I always tried to bundle up. So I guess I'm in that generation of being smart, I guess. Yeah, I'd say so. Definitely. Back to the dog man topics. Thanks. You've had.

[00:39:53] Hundreds and hundreds of interviews at this point. What do you think? Has drawn more people into this phenomena? Because I know before, like there was no place for people to talk about it. So I kind of think that podcast is what's actually helped make this more of a. Place where people are more comfortable to talk about it because the taboo and the stigma to it seems to be fading a little bit. Oh, I agree.

[00:40:22] Yeah, I think there's a normalization to the dog man phenomenon that wasn't there back in the day. And that normalization is why more and more people are coming out. Although there's this idea and it's a canard. It's not accurate. There's this canard out there that more encounters are happening now than were happening about 10 years ago or 15. Well, I was back in the game 10 years ago and even before that.

[00:40:48] And there is no ramping up of more encounters hitting my desk today than hit my desk five years ago, 10 years ago even. So, yeah, I think it's probably because there are so many more shows out there that that produce dog me and content that people think that there are more encounters happening. But yeah, I just haven't noticed any ramping up at all of the number of encounters that are happening.

[00:41:18] That's what's interesting with me is I don't have a whole lot of dog man stuff on the show, which people find it strange because that's why I do what I do. I was like, yeah, but my show isn't just strictly about dog man. Like I want to talk about cryptids. I want to talk about UFO stuff. I want to talk about anything basically like anything weird and paranormal. Otherworldly is what I like to talk about. So for me, I don't seek out.

[00:41:47] So I let whoever reaches out to me, like I'm not out trying to hustle people all the time or anything like that. But so far it's I might get a lot of people reaching out with paranormal stuff or am I getting occasional Bigfoot stuff? But very rarely have I gotten anyone with dog man stuff. But you've kind of got that one handled. Yeah, it seems that way. Yeah, some days it'll be so crazy.

[00:42:15] I have seven or eight brand new eyewitnesses contact me with their encounters. So I've never spoken with before, but yeah, that's definitely not the norm. But it does happen though. It does. There's definitely a lot of stuff that's going on out there. And I actually had a lady who was local. I had an episode with her a while back. She found me because she heard me on your show.

[00:42:42] And I've actually had a couple other people reach out to me because of some of the other shows that I've been on that are local. And strangely enough, someone, I haven't actually interviewed him or anything about it, but he messaged me and we kind of chitchat it for a little bit. He'd saw something in the same exact area that I did. So. He's not 100% sure what it was. He was. He's been listening to me talk about it, kind of brought all those memories back for him.

[00:43:10] So it made him more just to reach out and just be like, Hey, I saw something too. So that kind of reassures me as like, well, I'm not crazy. At least I had a witness with me that's seen it too. But now if I've known several other people in the area that have seen similar things, it makes me feel a little bit better, but it makes me now want to go out and look for it even more. So yeah, you're far from crazy. You saw what you saw and that's all there is to it. It's good.

[00:43:36] You realize that you never asked to have the experience, but it just happened. But yeah, that's the way it is with most of these eyewitnesses. They never asked to have this happen. It's really a shame. It's a negative experience that most of them never asked to have number one, but after having it, when they try to reach out to family and friends for help coming to terms with their experiences, they're derided, made fun of. And for a lot of them, they become the punchline at family get togethers.

[00:44:06] So it's just really a shame. It is. Yeah. I've always tried to tell people that I don't try and ridicule or judge or pick a party in it because I know what that's like. It takes someone to actually know and go through the same things to understand what other people could be going through.

[00:44:28] At least that's how I feel about it, because you can say you've had experiences in some realm, but unless you've actually had like you hear things, you saw some stuff, there's other people out there that don't have any experiences. And I don't see how someone can relate to that because it takes a special type of situation for people to actually relate to it.

[00:44:51] Like I've never been to a war, so I'm not going to tell someone that comes back from a war that has some sort of a, I don't want to say PTSD, but basically kind of what I'm referring to. I go, man, I understand. No, you really don't unless you've been in that situation. And a lot of these people that have these experiences is traumatic for them. So it takes someone able to relate to that more so than just be saying, oh, I can relate to it. And there are layers to that also.

[00:45:19] If you talk with an eyewitness who had a dog man come into their house, which that does happen occasionally, not very often, but it does happen. A person like that, unless they're speaking with another eyewitness who had one come into their house, they can only relate so much with that eyewitness. So there are layers to that.

[00:45:36] I've heard someone claiming before, and I don't remember where this was, but there was one outside their window and it kept tapping on the window and they could hear it. And it was speaking to them. And I was like, well, I was kind of hesitant about that. But the more I've listened to it, I've heard this with Bigfoot too. They claim like they have this ability to mind speak or something. Again, like I didn't ever experience that. So I really can't relate to that.

[00:46:07] But it was telling them to let it in. And I'm thinking to myself, if this thing is as big as they're describing, why would it have to have someone let it in? It seems strange. Yeah, that does seem strange. But if you're talking about a creature from the ether that has to abide by certain special rules, then that would make sense then. Yeah. It's almost like you have to invite it in.

[00:46:32] Some people, I've talked with other people and we've related this back to, it's almost like the old vampire lore where you have to invite it in. And it can't come into your house unless you invite it. And there's been, this gets thrown out too much and I'm not trying to sound like other people, but almost like a demonic aspect to it as well. To where you have to invite the demon in. It's almost like if this thing was real, I'm not saying it was an actual dog, man. It could have been anything taking that form.

[00:47:01] But the fact that it was telling them let me in just seems very, not so much animalistic to me. Like if it's an actual animal out there prowling, if it wanted to get someone, I just assumed it would just jump through the window and grab it. I'm not going to look at you through the window and be like, hey, open your window, buddy. So to me, that just seems a little weird. Yeah. You raised some really good points. Yeah. If it's a normal flesh and blood creature, it's not going to do anything like that. It's not going to be talking with you. Number one, but yeah.

[00:47:29] Number two, it's not going to be asking for permission to come in. But there are dogmen that have come into people's houses uninvited. So I don't know how that works. But then again, people ask if they're government creations. And my response to that is back in 1877, when the first documented sighting happened, the government never had anything approaching the technology to make a dogman in a test tube. But today they definitely do.

[00:47:56] Does that mean that all dogmen that people see are made in a test tube in a laboratory? No, not by a long shot. Maybe it's a matter of some of the dogmen that are out there are naturally occurring, however that might be. And I use the word naturally very loosely, while others were made in a laboratory. And the ones in the lab, maybe they don't have the ability to mind speak and do all these other things.

[00:48:23] But the ones that are from the ether, if they are from the ether, somehow they have that ability. It's just so hard to know how all this works. All we can do is guess. Yeah. So there's no definitive answers, I think, when it comes to these sort of topics. I've talked to certain people that want to say they're experts in certain fields and this and that. And that's fine. But I've always been under the assumption that we really don't have any physical proof,

[00:48:51] at least not you or I or mainstream public has any definitive proof on Bigfoot or dogman or anything cryptid related. So I don't know how someone can sit there and call themselves an expert without having that physical proof. So when people tell me that, that's kind of my first thing. Like, oh, okay. I'm just, I'm a little hesitant about it, but I think there's people who've studied it a lot and have a lot of knowledge, but I don't think they call themselves experts.

[00:49:22] It's funny you mentioned all that because that right there, the point that you made is about the only definitive thing that you can point to when it comes to dogman or Sasquatch. The fact that there aren't any experts. You have people who think they're experts and they, they claim to be experts, but yeah, there's no such thing. That's what I've told some people. And I think I made some people mad when I've referenced that, but it's just, it's the truth.

[00:49:48] Like until there's physical evidence that can be presented to Joe public out there, no one's going to buy into it unless there's some sort of body or science comes out and says this. And I'm not saying that the government or some sort of science don't know that they don't exist, but they're not letting you or I know about it. Oh, no doubt. You know, this is kind of related.

[00:50:13] What we're talking about right now is kind of related to the topic when it comes to dogman and Sasquatch surrounding the fact that we don't have any definitive proof proving that they exist. Well, one of the problems with that is all the bad information that floats around the cryptid community about these guys, especially dogman, it seems like, I mean, it seems like all that's required for a lot of people in the cryptid community to believe something, to be real,

[00:50:42] to be factual is just to hear it. It's like the playground. If they hear it, then it must be reality. It must be true. And I hear so many things said about dogmen that are absolute bunk, but it's one of those things that's just put out there. It's, it's on a heavy rotation. I see it said all over the place in the cryptid community. And if it said, like I said before, if it's put out there, then it must be real, must be reality. Things like that.

[00:51:11] They just, they hinder the ability to prove their existence so much. It really does. My main complaint about that is how it negatively affects the eyewitnesses though, because they'll hear some of this nonsense and become even more frightful about dogmen than if they knew the truth and accepted the truth, but I can't blame them. They don't really know what to believe, what not to believe.

[00:51:40] So they're kind of caught in a tailspin. But when I get a chance to talk with them, I make sure they understand that, no, that's bunk. This is nonsense. So that it kind of pulls them off the ledge. You take an eyewitness who's already had a very traumatic encounter. So they're naturally going to be on the ledge ready to jump. They listen to some of this bad information that makes dogmen seem even more frightening, even more dangerous.

[00:52:08] And it just, it just really comes close to pushing so many of these eyewitnesses over the edge. I just hate that. My biggest pet peeve is people that don't even know they weren't there, but yet they tell someone what they encountered was this. Like, how do you know that's what they saw? Like, I actually just dealt with this again the other day. Someone said what happened to me.

[00:52:34] They wanted me to know that just because I said there's no bear in Indiana, because that's where I live, there's been bear in Michigan. There's been bears reported in like Wisconsin and Ohio and like down in Tennessee and then up into Kentucky. So who's to say that a bear couldn't just wander because they don't know borders? I agree with that statement. But what makes me angry is how can someone tell me that I saw a bear?

[00:53:03] Because I know what a bear looks like. I turn around, we went back and another person saw it. We both said it was a canine. It looked like a large black dog. Well, it had to have been a bear. Why does it have to be a bear? And then when I said that to the person, I was like, I think it's insulting to someone's intelligence that when you tell someone, well, you saw a bear, that they don't know the difference between a dog and a bear.

[00:53:29] And that person got all self-righteous and condescending and called me some choice names because I didn't agree with their logic. I mean, how are you going to tell someone what they saw when you weren't even there? Oh, I agree. Happens all the time. Yeah. I wish I could say I didn't know about quite a few very well-tenured researchers, Sasquatch researchers who told eyewitnesses who reported to them that they had a dogman encounter that

[00:54:00] these Sasquatch researchers tried to just reassure them. They refused to believe it could have been a dogman. No, you saw a Sasquatch. And they tried to explain why it had to be a Sasquatch. Even though this eyewitness clearly saw pointed ears and a muzzle and claws and all this. I mean, it's just a shame that they could be so close-minded. And then on the other end of this conversation, this part of the conversation, what you went through with that one person trying to tell you that you saw a bear.

[00:54:28] I mean, there are so many people out there who unfortunately, they hate the idea of any new thoughts of possibly seeing the world in a different way. If you pose any information that might be taken as trying to explain to them that the world isn't as they believe it to be, the world doesn't operate the way they've been taught their whole

[00:54:55] life that it does, they really get up in arms about that. I'll bet you that's what you're dealing with that day when whoever it was was trying to tell you that it was a black bear. Yeah, this, it happens on Reddit a lot, which anyone that gets on Reddit should already know that's kind of a cesspool for people being the worst of the internet. But no, that is one of my biggest pet peeves. So someone telling an eyewitness of what happened to them wasn't what happened.

[00:55:24] And then they explained to them what actually happened. Well, I'm glad that you were there and saw the whole thing. Like anyone that does that to me, I instantly just shake my head and stop listening because all you're doing, you're not helping that person. You're literally just, and I think some people may do this intentionally as a way of actually trying to help that person understand, but it doesn't actually help them. It makes them actually feel worse. At least I would think because as much as you're trying to rationalize it, you're basically

[00:55:53] telling this person that what they saw isn't real. It's not true. This is what happened. And then that person is supposed to be like, Oh, okay. And believe it. And it doesn't work that way. That's a good point. Yeah. Some of the people who take that angle, they are trying to comfort you. But on the other hand, I think some people that do that, some people who do that are trying to comfort themselves. If you think about it, the world is a much happier, more comfortable place, less frightening

[00:56:22] place when you don't have things like bipedal canids running around. So it's understandable why some people would try to convince you and what they're actually trying to do is convince themselves that you didn't see what you did. I 100% agree. Well, Vic, we've been going on for almost an hour. I don't want to take too much more of your time, but before we wrap this up, I would like for you to let everyone know where they can find your podcast docs. I know that you have more than just the one.

[00:56:52] I do. Yeah. I've got four podcasts that I produce. One is on a hiatus. I'll get to that in just a moment. But the girl that brought me to the dance is definitely Dog Me and Encounters. If you want to listen to Dog Me and Encounters radio, the best way to listen is via your favorite podcast app. But you can also listen via YouTube if that's your preference. If you want to visit the website for this show and find out everything that I can basically

[00:57:20] tell you about the show and about Dog Men in a neat package, then please go to dogmenencounters.com. As far as my two Sasquatch podcasts that I produce would go, the one that I started airing weekly episodes for in 2015 is Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio. To find out more about Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio, please go to bigfooteywitness.com. As far as how to listen to Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio, you can use your favorite podcast app to listen to that

[00:57:49] show as well. As far as my newer Bigfoot podcast would go, that's called My Bigfoot Sighting. And if you want to find out more about that show, then please go to mybigfootsighting.com. You can listen to My Bigfoot Sighting on your favorite podcast app, or if you want to go on the YouTube, there's the My Bigfoot Sighting YouTube channel as well.

[00:58:16] As far as the paranormal show that I produce goes, that's the one that's on hiatus. I'm not sure if I'm going to actually ever start airing new episodes for that or not, but as of right now, I've kind of got that on pause. You can listen to episodes of My Paranormal Experience using your favorite podcast app or via YouTube.

[00:58:38] If you want to visit the show's website, then please go to myparex.com. And that's the best way to access all the shows. I'll make sure to have all those in the show notes for you. So for anyone out there listening, they can just go to that and they can find you. Well, thank you, sir. I appreciate it. Not a problem. I appreciate you come on here and talking with me tonight. It's been a pleasure.

[00:59:07] Oh, that goes two ways. It's been fun. Thank you. Thank you. Just remember, truth comes at cost. Are you willing to pay the price? I heard a story late last night about something lurking along the wood line. Huge footprints, strange lights in the sky. They claim it's nothing, but I know they lie.

[00:59:37] It's easier to laugh, to laugh in my face. But something about this makes me say, What if it's real? What if they knew? What if the answers are coming from you? It's wasting my time hearing voices. Is it all?

[01:00:33] Or maybe a mothman flies above the buried giants, hidden beneath the lies. They say it's just stories. It's all made believe. Fairy tales for the things we can't perceive. They want to keep us blind. They want to break our will. What if the truth could set us free?

[01:01:02] Alien signals traveling through time. Secret space programs erasing their minds. They call them crazy, but I just need some proof. What if it's true?

[01:01:48] It's demons ghost. The nipple done too. What if it's me? Or what if it's...

[01:02:22] It's all in our minds. These voices can't be silenced. The truth must rise. Tenfold ten... What if it's real? What if it's true?