Ep. 179: A Bigfoot Was Looking Through My Window

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me. Away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw Ufo. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw. The top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing. I don't like death. I like to think. This time to welcome my guest tonight, Mario. Thanks for coming on here talking to me. Great glad to be here. Would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself. Sure. I'm fifty one. I'm a physician, live in Central Ohio outside of Columbus, and usually thought of myself as a reasonably rational individual. But I've had some weird stuff through my life, and over the last few years I've kind of realized there's maybe it's connected, maybe it's not. I don't know, but I kind of wanted to talk about it in a place where where maybe it makes a little more. Sense or the record. I think a lot of it is connected. I can't prove that one way or the other, but I think a lot of experienced people have is connected. M hm. How old were you when you had your first experience. The first experience that I really remember. I mean as far back as I can remember. I've had nightmares and been sort of afraid of the dark and whatnot, but my first real experience. My grandmother had a house in Eastside, southeast of Cleveland. She lived there. Gosh, they bought it in sixty nine, and she lived there till just before she passed in two thousand and eight. And it was it was in the early late sixties when they bought it. It was they bought thirty two acres of woods, and it was the middle of hundreds of acres of woods. It was really not well developed, and it backed up to the backed up to the Sugar Valley, the Sugarn River watershed, and so it was just hundreds of acres of woods and sparsely developed at that time. It became more developed through the you know, eighties and nineties, and they actually sold some of their land in the later nineties to sort of retire, that was the retirement plan. But grew up there, had a really kind of a neat childhood. My parents. We lived in a row houses, blocks and blocks of houses, and one of the suburbs of Cleveland, and so, you know, during the week and you got to ride my bike up and down and hang out with friends and real typical seventies childhood. But on weekends we'd go over to my grandma's house and we'd play outside in the woods, and which is great, but she had a I never liked that house at night in the woods. It was really they had it was windows everywhere. It was a kind of a Frank Lloyd Wright esque house with just giant picture windows. Some even their living room was like two story picture windows. And at night there was no ground light and it would be really dark, and you could always feel like something was gonna look in on you. And they would joking, like, say, the tree people were out there, which I just never really felt. I didn't enjoy that particular descriptor. But when I was five, maybe I think five or six, so late seventies we were there, and then she had a little music room off the main off the foyer in the main room, and it had a picture window and an organ and a piano, and I would often go in there to avoid my brother and not listen to the you know, my dad and my grandpa wuld go watch sports, and my mom and grandma and whoever else was there would sit and talk. And my brother was three years younger, and so I would sometimes go in this side room off and it had gotten dark and I was kind of playing, kind of dozing off. It was late, it wasn't that late, like a like late fall, so it got real dark, and the trees, the leaves were down or almost down and that, and with no ground light, it was just like a like a black mirror. And I just remember feeling kind of like I was being watched. And I looked around. I looked at the two doorways that led into the room, and there was no one in either of those rooms. I could kind of hear some people in the background, went back to playing a little bit, felt like I was being watched some more, which is a weird feeling. I think all of us have had that feeling or you know, you're being watched, but not quite sure. Looked around again and this picture window like just faced out. It was kind of the house was on the edge of a hill, so there was just this little ledge and then it kind of trailed down to the valley where one of the creeks was and looked over and in the upper corner of this picture window, which is jeez, it was you know, like maybe a five by six or five by you know, or five by probably like five by six, four by six picture window on the upper corner, there was this just this face staring in at me and just scared that you know, I was paralyzed. You know, there's not supposed to be a face out there, and it's not supposed to be that eye off the ground, big, dark, broad you know, caveman face is kind of how I think of it, and just kind of looking in and I sat there for a period of time just staring at it, closed my eyes real tight, opened him again, looked was still there, just not doing anything, just broad face, kind of oval, you know, deep set, dark eyes, hair ringing, the whole thing, and just I had no frame of reference for it, you know, at the time. And so after looking and it was still there, I went running out of the room and said, there's something looking, you know, there's something looking. There's something out there, and you know, my dad and grandpa kind of laughed and my mom grandma kind of laughed and no, really, and so my mom came in and flipped on the light the other lights in the room and looked around and there was nothing. Just absolutely nothing. So just like this weird moment where I had felt something looking in on me, something and I saw something and no one could see it. It was just a wearily you know. I didn't go back to that room for and even you know, for the you know, thirty more years that my grandmother owned that place. I never liked that room in the dark. You know, I was okay if the shade was They finally put a shade up at some point. It was tolerable. But I never liked that room. And honestly, I never liked that house. That the way that people could kind of look in on you with the light off. You know, a lot of the bedrooms had just huge windows, and it was just really a you know, spooky feeling at night during the day, loved it, played in the woods, had a great time. But I loved camping. You know, camped all through my youth scouts, even into my early twenties and mid twenties. Camped a lot, you know, and ten minutes from my parents' house was my fifteen minutes from my parents' house with my grandma's house thirty two acres of woods. Could camp there any time I want camp there in the you know, forty years, camp there one time, one overnight camp there. So just really never really wanted to be there at night. Didn't even like going out kind of around the garage to get to the driveway at night. Just never felt comfortable in that place at night after that moment, so, you know, and just had no frame or reference for it. Was I was five, you know, I was watching cartoons in Sesame Street. So so, but that was my first, uh sort of weird experience, and you know what affected me. I you know, even at my parents' house in a neighborhood, you know, we didn't have ac so we would have the windows open at night, and I hated having my window open at night. I would sleep as shove myself up against the wall as far away from the window as possible. Hated like that anyone could look in and see me. At my window, I would kind of my bed was was against the wall next to the window, and I would shove up in the corner so that if even if you looked in the window, you couldn't see me. And you know, late later I would have nightmares about a big hairy arm coming in the window and grabbing at me. So not that anything ever did, but but I just definitely that moment was a was a was a moment that I haven't forgotten. I mean, that's you know, forty some years later, you know, and it's it's, uh, it's still there. I can still see it. I can still see that face, still see kind of the shadow of something larger that it was attached to, and and uh, just you know, I still don't like looking out windows in the woods at night. So it was a it was a weird feeling, and it was, you know, A few years later, got a little older, saw the In Search of episode about Patty and the Sasquatch films, the Patterson Gimblin films, and that was the first time, you know, I'd seen something, you know, that was like, that looked kind of like what i'd seen, you know, and I I, you know, I hesitate to put a ton of stock into it, but you know, like what I saw versus that, but it was it's the only thing that that that sort of lined up matched up. And I also don't want to overlay you know, seeing things later and attaching it to the memory, but I can still see the dark face with the heavy set eyes and the hair around it and the kind of ovalish shape rather than I didn't see any teeth really or anything like that, broad flat lips, kind of the shadow of a shoulder or body, but in way high up. But it was, it was, it was. It affected me. And years later I found out that there was a there was the you know, about twenty thirty miles from where my grandma's house was is Minerva, Ohio, and they had the Minerva Monster. And there's been some other flaps and of of you know of bigfoot grassman sightings throughout that neck of the woods which was pretty wooded up until probably the last twenty years really started getting really developed. So it was just that was so that was my first experience as a seeing something experiencing something that that didn't that didn't comport with with what I was supposed to be seeing. You know, there aren't supposed to be people looking in windows in the woods at your grandma's house, and that's really not supposed to be that big. You know, did your grandparents ever, I know they mentioned it like almost like threatening you in a sense, But did they honestly ever talk about seeing something before? Was that just kind of their old little I You know, my my grandfather never did, never really mentioned anything about it. But my grandma also didn't like that house, didn't She wouldn't look out the windows at night, so and I never really thought to ask her, and you know, gosh, I wish I had asked her, but she was uncomfortable in that house. She wouldn't look out the windows at night when she walked down the hall. You know, she'd looked straight ahead. If there were shades, they'd be pulled as soon as the sun went down. So, you know, I can imagine maybe she'd had some uncomfortable experiences there, but nothing that was ever ever mentioned. And I asked my my mom and dad, and they don't recall anything other than kind of joking about sitting in the living room with the two story picture windows all around you in the in the woods, and you know, sometimes feeling you know that that things could look in. But no, no one ever described any any experience that they that matched with mine or was as as as vivid as mine. So I don't know, is the honest answer. But maybe I'm definitely, definitely definitely made an impression. So I was gonna say, maybe, uh, I've never had any sort of experience like that, but I am very much in the sense of if I have curtains, they're usually cold. Yeah, it's just for me, like a privacy thing. But at the same time, it's kind of like I don't want something to looking in for someone looking in or anything like that. M Yeah, I'm still to this day, I like jokingly because I never kind of put this in the back of your mind. You don't want to think about it, being that scared as a little kid in a space, in a space you're you usually feel safe. And but like jokingly, when my you know, my wife and I were looking for a house, I jokingly said, we can't have a first floor master suite because you know, that's too short. The windows are out ground for you know, bigfoot could reach in, and you know, it was a running joke when we were looking at houses. We'd walk in a house, you know, when we're looking at a like no first floor master can't live here. So so it became kind of a joke, and I'd make a joke about it myself. But really, you know, it still feels, you know, I still don't like looking out at night. So it's a you know, just a weird feeling to have that experience and have it stick with you like that. And you know, my bachelor's is in zoology, so I know all about you know, animals of North America, and you know I've done you know, in in undergrad, did recent arch and caught fish and you know, drawn blood from from mice and all sorts of stuff all over, you know, so comfortable outside, but that that that definitely I don't like being in a space where where where there's where it's something could look in and I'm not aware so or so just a weird So that was my first weird experience in my life, and it, you know, definitely affected me. And you know, years later, on a Saturday afternoon, Mattine, I saw Legend of Boggy Creek for the first time, and that was you know, with the same sort of thing with the creature looking in and even in the bad monster mask, It's was still definitely hit me viscerally, you know. And I didn't really process it at the at the time, like where that was coming from. But you know, in hindsight, it's like, yeah, probably that felt similar to to my own experience. But I've never seen anything like that in the woods. I've been camping in the Alleghanies and down into Georgia and uh out west and you know, up into Minnesota canoeing and stuff like that over the years, and you know, I've run into black Bear and running to Grizzly out West and you know, blessedly nothing nothing, nothing charging or challenging, just just you know, been in the same general area, general space. But never you know, I was aware of those animals and not uncomfortable the way that moment made me feel. So when I went to Tennessee to record that episode for the Confessionals, mm hmm, we stayed in cabins up in Pigeon Forge, sure, and I was wanting to see a bear mm hmm. It never happened. Yeah, And then like a week later, someone posted a video of a bear in the same general area. We were as like, Manton, there was that bear. Yeah, they're uh they they they They're different in person. They're definitely bigger. And I can tell you that my first time and blessedly only time being relatively near a grizzly out west north south of Yosemite was a It was a northeast northsem was. It was intimidating there. I was not close, but they are much bigger than the black bear around here. But yeah, but that that visceral, visceral feeling. And just side note, my I have an aunt who's who does who does art. She owns an art gallery down in Athens, Georgia, and she's my grandparents. And the portico of their where they're by there on the outside of their floyer, she had done all these kind of tribal masks, and you know, I like a lot of my aunt's art. And when they were divvying up the house after my grandma passed, there were all these masks and you know, these tribal kind of faces with broad, flat lips and stuff like that. They asked me if I want them. I'm like, Nope, I don't want those. Someone else can to have them. I'm not putting those up in my house. I don't want those looking in on me. A little little, a little uncomfortable. So but yeah, so that was my first experience with the weird. And I've always had nightmares, night terrors, uh, wake up yelling, sleep paralysis, you know. And you know, my grandfather was a physician, and when you would talk about it, it's just, you know, you're a sensitive kid, and you know these are hypnopompic or hypnagogic hallucinations where you think you're seeing something because your brain is not awaking, not waking up as you know, not letting your body wake up as fast. But it's really scary to wake up and and and not be able to move, especially if you feel like there's something in your room with you right, which which is a very you know, I had that same sort of fear response to seeing the face outside the window, but when it's in your bedroom, uh, near your bed, you know, at the edge of your closet, at the edge of your doorway, it's a whole it's a whole different level of of of terror. Not not uh not wanting to sleep. So I had that intermittently throughout my childhood, you know, and then uh in in uh, you know, into college, had a lot of a lot of experiences in college, and anytime there was a a lot of change in my life or anything, you know, trying to pick directions and stuff like that, it would seem like it would pick up and it kind of comported with your your brain's processing information and stuff like that. But but it was, uh, it's it's weird. And I've I've I'll get to it in a minute. I have I've had some weird lucid dreams as well that have been really disconcerting and and and weird. But second weird thing I had grown up was as a teenager, like most teenagers in the late eighties, you know, most of your friends get into the horror movies. And eventually, between junior and senior year, someone decided it would be a good idea to try a wigi board. So nothing ever, good, no, no, I you know, and I've told both my kids that we're not doing that. But so we were in the basement of my friend Karen's house and we were playing with the Ouiji board, and you know, it started to spell stuff out, which seemed really weird h and everyone was swearing that they weren't doing it. And then the the space got really cold down in the basement and we all kind of had that freak out moment and we were as we were running up the stairs and alcohol to be outside. And this was a summer night, so once we got outside, it was kind of twilight ish. As I headed up the stairs, there was kind of like this like a like a shimmer in front of the group of us running up the steps that headed up the steps ahead of us out the door. And then as we ran outside, I watched it kind of shoot up over the house and around the around the roof, and I'm like, did you see that? Did you see that? And you know, everyone else was like what what? It was so cold, that was so freaky, and everyone was kind of excited and and everything, but no one, you know, saw It wasn't even as distinct as like the Predator and the Predator movie or anything like that. It was just more ephemeral, like just like you were like a like a reflection and a really still pond or something like that. You know, like you were seeing like something like water and then the stuff behind it. It was just really fleeting and stuff like that. But that was just sort of a weird experience as well. I mean, it almost sounds like you were seeing something. And I don't want to through out the word portal because I think it's used too much, but it almost sounds that way, since like you're looking through Yeah, it's almost like a window. Yeah, it was just sort of a weird. And the way it moved sort of ahead of us was just just weird. It was it seemed to move of its own volition ahead of us as we were heading up the steps. And it happened right after that that that moment of the space getting really really cold in the in the basement. So and again you're teenagers, you're impressionable, you've been watching you know, horror movies. It's but it was, you know, it was definitely a weird another weird. Hey, I saw something and no one else saw the moment that. So I've never touched a Wuiji board, not even it won't even be in the room if people, you know, have ever gotten one out again, so not doing that. I'm very superstitious as it is, So for me, that's not really something that I would ever want to do in the first. Place, right, right, it was a it was a yeah, it was a And now you know, you know, later in life, as you you you dive into you know, reading, and I'm a voracious reader. Like after you know, in the in the early eighties, when I sort of moved into middle school and they had a good library, I read every book about Bigfoot, and every book about Chariot of the Gods, and every book about Lucknest Monster, and every book about the Yetti and the Abominable Snowman, and every you know book about Telimobembe, the you know, the dinosaur in the in the congo, and you know, I just thought every sort of paranormal, weird ghost story. You know. I've always been fascinated by that, but sort of fascinated in the sense that I like, I enjoy reading about it, but I don't want to experience it. I'm not like going to haunted houses. I don't like haunted houses. I don't like weird feelings. I don't like the feeling, you know, like some people like to be spooked and scared. I don't watch horror movies. I don't, you know, so, but I've always had sort of an interest in sort of trying to understand, you know, sort of sort of a scientific questioning curious mind about like, you know, what do people think this is what's happening? You know, are other people experiencing similar things to me? You know, you know, I've always you know, but I'm not not going out ghost hunting, I'm not going out squatching. I'm not you know, playing with Wiji boards regularly. I'm not you know, casting spells or any of that sort of weird. You know, I don't want to have a very strong sense that that that I don't want to open those doors, you know, but definitely, uh, you know, it's been a lifelong fascination with trying to understand, you know that there's weird things that that are happening and have happened to me that that I can't explain, that I can't, I can't you know, put neatly in a box. So so those are my two you know, uh sort of weird experiences in you know, in as a kid that I go away to college and you know, sleep paralysis is happening intermittently and I start, uh later you know, under in undergrad start having lots of lucid dreams where I'd be in my house or my apartment building, but it's not my house, like it's the same house, but differ, and you know, you'd be like there'd be an extra room, or it would the hallway would turn left instead of right. So it was really similar, vividly real, able to move and act like my house, but but just like twisted turned different, like and then I'd wake up in the morning and I'd be like, you know, looking at the hall, going is there another room out there? Is there a room behind that room? Does the closet open to another room? What? You know? It was, That's how real those the dreams would be that it would I'd be in the morning going, maybe there isn't a I don't remember that in my you know, I'd be thinking it'd be in my parents' house or my grandma's house, or my apartment or my friend's house, where it would be so vivid that you know, the next time I was there, or even the next morning, if I had the dream while I was in that space, it was just it was almost like like you know, what's real? You know it was because that felt those dreams felt so real and and different and and just like now that like that, that felt like the house, and it felt like I was familiar. I knew what was going to happen when I opened that door. And I opened that door, and there's a whole other space. And then I wake up and there's that that room doesn't exist for the rest. You know. It's like there's a like there's a tell or a difference or something like that in the in the room which was you know, and that's it's disconcerting, and you'll spend the next few days just kind of scratching your head going, you know, what did I just experience? Because that was a weird, weird dream, the weird you know that that's more vivid than you know, your normal, normal dream where your normal processing dream or your normal where they're just sort of surreal but don't go anywhere, don't explain anything. And then and then and then uh. In college, I also started noticing a that I would when I would look in the mirror, I would see a different person. And often for nights or you know, intermittently, I'd have the same sort of I'd have the same lucid dream with the same familiar but unfamiliar house and I'd look in the mirror and see someone different, but if it was also at the same time it was me, I wasn't looking in the mirror, going who's that? And then I the same sort of feeling. I would wake up in the morning and look in the mirror and be like, that's it just would feel off two. And then I would go on adventures with this you know this person because they were lucid dreams. So I have control. I could go outside, I could open doors, I could you know, the space. When I would go outside of the houses, they would usually the streets would be I don't want to say empty, like completely devoid of people, but there'd be very few people to interact with. And then the further I got from the house, I'd get a warning, feel like people would the people I interact with would be like, You've got to get back to the house or or you know, or something bad will happen. I'd have an ominous feeling that I had to get back to the familiar, which wasn't familiar but was And it's kind of a weird. It's hard to describe. It's hard to you know, I don't know if you've ever experienced that or had anyone experience that where you're you feel not right in your in your like it's familiar but unfamiliar, and then when you wake up, it's like flipped where you're unfamiliar but familiar. It's a it's a weird feeling. It's a disconcerting feeling to have that experience. So I have some ideas about that, but they're out there on the whole. I have some ideas, you know, I don't, you know, I've I've you know, more recently, I've you know, in the last couple of years. Last year really I discovered podcasts, and I would again. I was just listening to them kind of for the entertainment value. I started with Sasquatch chronicles because I like the foot and I have friends in the bigfoot squatching community here in Ohio. Here in Ohio who actually go out and look. And there's Ohio as between the Salt Fork and the Logan Hawking Hills. There's some really big festivals in Ohio for bigfoot. So I have friends in that who who who Some dabble and some are really serious in that community. And so I started with the Sasquatch stuff, you know, Sasquatch Odyssey, Subsquatch Chronicles, and then I wanted to hear Wes's story, and so I so I went over to Confessionals to hear Wes's story, and then I got it was like the Confessionals was kind of like an open and then I heard you on the Confessionals and so kind of navigated my way through this. But I you know, a couple of the podcasts I've listened to were, you know, a couple of the Subsquatch Chronicles, one where people had experiences with with something looking in the window felt very familiar and kind of stopped me in my tracks. And then a couple of the Confessionals episodes where in a couple of where some of yours, where people described like the these sort of weird astral experiences, astral abductions, astral experiences, lucid dreaming, and I was like, there's a couple of those podcasts I've had to stop and start because I'd be like that, really it was like someone else was repeating my experience back to me, and that didn't you know the fact that there was maybe And then I'm like, maybe there is something more to what I'm experiencing. Than just the the biochemical reactions that of a brain processing information, which is what I was taught, you know, and I'd believed until I started hearing other people sharing very similar experiences with quote unquote out there explanations for what they what they thought was happening. So so it's been it's been a journey to to experience these things and then and then sort of realize that there there may be other people experiencing similar things, and how do you put put that into a you know, the materialistic, reductionist, naturalist worldview that none of this fits. So and then, you know, my bachelor's is in zoology, my graduate degrees in medicine. You know, I'm a rational individual, so you know, thinking outside the box is, you know, fun to entertain the idea, but when it's happening to you, or happening that that's a whole different animal, it's it's it makes you uncomfortable. That is one of the things I was going to say. With you being a physician and you've been trained in all those type of aspects to things like science doesn't say this is true, like these things aren't real because we haven't proved it yet. So as a and that comes from a science background. How do you rationalize that? Well, I mean, I you know, I am aware that our understanding of what's going on between the ears is is very incomplete. You know, we don't have a good sense of what's consciousness, what's what's your mind, what's happening in there? You know, we have only the vaguest understanding about whether. And then at the same time, you you look at you know, the quantum experience at that you know, in chemistry and the and the cosmology at the at the edges of of science, and so there's you know, there's a lot more, you know, like what is it, Act one, Scene three? Uh, there's more under heaven on Earth than are dropped up in your philosophy Horatio. I stay humble about it, but I try and attack it with a with methodology. What's going on here? And you know, the most the simple explanation is is that your brain is processing. Some people's brains just process in a more vivid, realistic manner than others. They just have better VR headware, you know, software than than than others in terms of how they process. You know, that's the simplest explanation. The sort of electro biochemical explanation. But the similarities between my experiences with with you know, shadowy entity, waking paralyzed with shadowy entities, you know, feeling like something's either on my chest or looming over me next to my bed. It's very similar to other people's experiences. And then you know, trying to just square that circle is is is really hard, you know. You know, I also was raised in a in a Christian house, and so also trying to h bring that you know, the the unseen realm uh all the spiritual warfare how you know, however you want to describe it, whatever lens, how if you want to put that lens on the experience, you know, is there is there something bigger going on in the you know, in the in the realms we can't you know, appreciate in our three D existence, you know, And that certainly comports with my experience and with other people's experiences, that that that there's there's being acted upon by things that are beyond our sense's ability to to to understand or even really interact with in a in a in any manner. And that's you know, obviously scary, and it's not a strictly scientific approach, and you know those two worldviews that's too paradigms are you know, they feel at odds initially and then you kind of you know, when you take a step back, there may be not as at odds as you think. So I don't unstan seris I don't know what I'm experiencing. I don't know what other people are experiencing. But there's a remarkable number of similarities to to what's what I'm experiencing and what other people are experiencing. That that you know that that and from a comfort standpoint, it's uh, it's the the scientific worldview. The reductionist materialistic worldview isn't very comforting when you're trying to explain to yourself why you're why you wake up in the middle of the night screaming or your wife shakes you awake because you're screaming, you know, a few nights a month for years the entire life. People want to say, like night to errors, mm hm, but what are night terrors? Like why is your mind instantly going to these things that make you do that? And it only happens with certain people like my daughter will come in and say she's had a bad dream, Okay, she's five, Like so's Yeah, there's a bit of a difference. But like through your whole life and you've had these experiences and then you've had these dreams. Sure there's something that is And I don't know what. Again, I'm not a man of science or whatever. I don't know anything about stuff, but like something has to set off something for people to have these sort of dreams. Yeah, I don't know if it's like the scientific way of describing it, but like, would it be like a chemical embalance of someone's brain to where they would be able to just have these sort of dreams or whatever all the time? I mean, that's the that's the sort of that's the kind of you know. And I've done a lot of reading on the scientific side of trying to understand dreams, and also on the paranormal side, and on the you know, the Christian worldview trying to understand what these and some of the Eastern philosophy's worldviews on trying to understand what the heck is going on, and the you know, the strictly scientific sort of understanding that your your your brain uses your sleep to process you know, your brain is taking in your senses are taking in, you know, trillions of data points, most of which you're you're taking in unconsciously sounds around you, and your brain's ignoring. And you know, your your your your experience, your virtual experience is a curated experience by by your brain. That that's ignoring the vast majority. And that's why we have things like paradolia where people see faces and you're trying your brain's always trying to make patterns out of out of everything, and uh, it's a it's a weird you know that. And then that's kind of the biochem Then when you have the sleep paralysis you have, you know, your your your brain shuts down your muscles at night so that you can dream and have these experiences and process these these all these all this information that's that your brains come in and all these experiences that you're having and trying to and then sometimes your your your brain wakes up before your body wakes up, and you when you have that mismatch, that's when you can't move and you you can't speak and you can't stutter, and it's it's utterly terrifying to be paralyzed and and you know then you know that's the same sort of explanation they use for the when that the brain is starved of oxygen and people have the near death experiences. But but you know, if you take a step back and you think about it from a consciousness level, and and and from a you know, the more cosmologic level, there's got to be that feels there's something bigger going on, something more going on than just just wacky chemistry that just and again, as I said, even if that's ultimately what it turns out to be, it's not a very comforting, you know, you know, thing to tell yourself or tell someone else, you know, right, And you also learn when you have a lot of these experiences, you know, you you you share some, but you don't share all of them because people start looking at you weird. So there's there's some things you can talk about and there's other things you can't talk about because yeah, there's that stigma. Yeah, and you know, again, as I said, I don't I have no idea what I'm experiencing. I just know that that I have. I've experienced lucid dreaming, and I've had a couple of weird animal experiences, but I've experienced night terrors. You know, not just a bad dream where you wake up you feel a little out of sorts. I mean just like vivid sometimes dream scapes that I'll experience for multiple nights in a week, or you know, or themes that I'll revisit month after month after month, you know, and and then mixing that with the weird familiar but not familiar experiences, whether it's a house or the neighborhood or the space or even my own face in the mirror. It's just a weird it's weird. And when I share this, most most people that I share this with have if they've had anything like this, they've had it happen, you know, a couple of times in their lifetime, not not not over and over and over and over and over. So so that's that's a that's a it's a weird experience, and it's hard to process, and it's you know, where do you where do you go with that? There's you know and I don't want to, you know, dive in and I claim that I have some explanation that explains everything, because I don't, but you gotta. I feel like I'm at a point where I'm like, this is happening, and I got to talk about it, because what do I do with this? I have this this ball of all these experiences and the emotions that they bring up. And you know, there are times where I don't want to go to bed because I don't want to have a I don't want to have another one of those dreams. You know. So do you happen to have deja vu? Not often, not not on a on a on a regular basis. But it's it's more like there's supposed to be something there that's not. Like I'll come around a corner in a neighborhood that I visited that I that I visited in a dream that I live in, you know, like my neighborhood I live in, and I'll walk around in the house, it will be different. I'll be on the wrong side and that like it was on the other side in my dream, and it feels weird and the real because it's supposed to be on the left not the right, or it's supposed to be blue, or their door is supposed to be over here, or just the details and the dream feel it's like like like it's it just feels weird. I'm like no, wait, that's oh yeah. So it's a so that I've had that experience, but not like a deja vu where I've been there before. I haven't had like like you know, where something happens and like, oh yeah, that's I remember that. So it's I haven't had that sort of matrix e experience or whatever or prophetic experience, but I do have the it feels like like it was it was right the other way and it's not right this way. So does that make sense? Yeah, I understand what you're saying. I try to ask that question a lot when people talk about lucid dreams or things that they experience, because I feel like a lot of the time people do have that deja vous aspect to it as well. And I don't know, again, this is going off my own hair brain ideas, but sure, just just say, like your consciousness and I've talked to someone before about this, but when you're dreaming, we're actually experiencing this in the other realms that our consciousness goes to. And who's to say that like the things that we experience in those dreams aren't actually happening, They're just happening on that other plane of existence. So when people have dejas vu, you've already experienced this in one of those other realms, sure, so, like you remember things being on the opposite side of the road, maybe in this alternate version it actually is. So I don't know. Yeah, no, I I would not, you know, I'm you know, I'm I'm open. I'm agnostic to you to to what that is. I mean, it definitely feels real, you know, the whole consciousness traveling, you know, astraally however whatever, to another realm, to another experience, to another whatever, however, whatever word you want to use, is that feels like a better explanation for what I'm experiencing than the strict you know, it's all between my ears explanation. But you know, I'm agnostic to it. If if someone were to come up with a scan and be like, yep, it's all between your ears, I'd be like, oh, okay, that makes sense. And if someone to explain that, oh, Marvel Comics was right and there is a multiverse or this upside down is right and stranger things is real, I'd be like, oh, that makes sense too. You know. I'm I'm you know, I mean, I I lean towards you know, the more I've experienced this and the more I hear other people describing it, I'm leaning more towards the other realms, portals, you know, you know it, you know, unseen experience, you know things, consciousness is whatever. Then I would have two years ago, five years ago, ten years ago. I know, throughout history, and I think like the Vikings, for one, like third Norse mythology, they had different worlds. I'm a nerd, so I like playing God of War and I know that they had these different realms and everything else throughout the war. They all have different names. I think there's been other I don't want to call them religions, but like beliefs that had those same like different tiers and stages of sure places that they go to. Yeah, I mean in the Chinese have have you know, the heavens, and then multiple realms and then ten thousand hells, and you know there are nine realms of the Norse mythology, and then you know the you know the you know the you know the they have the Divine Council worldview. In the Christian scripture scriptural interpretation of the Benny Ellaheim, you know underneath the underneath, the most high, and and and in all of these cases there's you know, or you could talk about shamanistic religions or animism where everything has a spirit and you're interacting, you know, and the shaman, the the priests or whatever is interacting with these with these entities, with these powers that are that are acting on us as well, positively and negatively. So that's a pretty common, I think, human explanation for for what's going on. And you know, I think are it feels more like it explains the system better than than the And then as they you know, talked about earlier, you know, you read about the you know, the fact that they you know, how many additional dimensions or or parallel universes or whatever does the the latest dark matter model require to explain the expansion rate and weight of the universe and all those sort of stuff. So it's some pretty wild stuff. And if they can scientifically calculate that there are different dimensions, which I think. That's yeah, that's the math requires it. In my understanding, who's to say that if the math requires it and they can prove it mathematically, then why can't this be a possibility. It makes more sense to me that this is something it's easier to believe in that aspect than it is just to think that everyone out here that has these sort of experiences are all got a couple of screws lose. Yeah, yeah, I it's in uh in hindsight, I I've I've realized I should maybe be a little more compassionate in my practice, and I've maybe missed opportunities to let people share their paranormal experiences in a therapeutic setting. Because you know that that when you have these sort of experiences and your shut off from and they're traumatic or you know, disconcerting, scary, terrifying, whatever however they are for you or even positive people are really who do you take that to? You know, And I'm you know, I've you know, I've maybe I've missed opportunities to help people, uh you know, let them, you know, create a space where they could where they could share what was what was going on and what they were experiencing, you know, what their trauma was, and and and you know, sometimes just speaking it into the speaking it makes it real and and and helps you process that helps you understand that that this happened to you, you know, whether it was real or whether it was a dream or whatever in between, and just you know, just like any uh, highly charged experience, being able to speak about it allows you to to process it and move through it, move past it, learn from it, whatever the whatever the experience was. And so that's kind of why I'm finally decided to reach out and talk about it, because I've had these experiences. I continue to have these experiences I've you know, and I don't have a good explanation for it. I mean, I've had just in the last gosh six months, I had and I've i've more recently doing I'm doing like a deep dive. I don't even know how many books I've read on the unseen realm and the spiritual realm and spiritual warfare and multi dimensional models and stuff like that, whether it, you know, whether you want to come at it from the utes and the skin Walker model or the or the demon model or the you know, the unclean spirit model or the Gin model. You know what, are these all the same thing? But I had a a few months ago, I had a dream where I felt like I was being pulled off the bed and I woke up and I was paralyzed, couldn't move, and this small, you know, spindly armed, big headed shadow shape, you know, it was dark, you know, has one leg off the bed and my and then it was and then my wife shakes my shoulder and I wake up and it's gone. And I'm like, she was like, you were yelling in your sleep. It's like, I'm so sorry. And I had this weird feeling little voice told me, you know, you should just you should just you know, sit up and pray, you know, And and I'm like, I'm tired, you know, like I saw. I just laid back down and fifteen thirty minutes later, I feel this absolutely vice grip, like a clawed giant hand grabbed the back of my neck and it was burning, like just like so hot, burning vice on the back of my neck, and I felt like it was pulling me into my bed. And it was an absolutely you know and I could smell burning like flesh, and it was an absolutely terrifying moment. And you know, I couldn't move. I was paralyzed. I couldn't move, and a little you know, that same little voice, whatever you want to say, is like pray. And I'm like, you know, you know, in the name of I said, in the name of Jesus, let me go. And the hand is loosened, let's go, and my wife shaking my shoulder again, saying I'm screaming again. And you know, it was weird. I couldn't like, what's real, what's not really to go? Really weird experience, and I'm like, I didn't sleep much the rest of the night. I kind of sat up and I prayed and I prayed and I prayed and I prayed because I'm like, I don't want that to experience again. And my neck, I don't know if you've ever had a you know, ever been out on a boat and you get that that that sunburn off the water where your neck is just on fire. And that's how my neck felt that way for the next couple of days, you know, And it was just a you know, So that was that was That was just a few months ago. So so in following that, I've leaned a little more, a lot more into the more Christian charismatic, Christian spiritual war model, and I've been much more diligent in my prayer life before, particularly before bed. And it was that was a weird, you know moment where it's kind of someone flipped a switch and like, maybe that's the worldview I need to be using right now instead of like kind of equally entertaining all of the world views. So you know, that's where I am now. So you know, it seems to make the most sense. The attack stopped when I prayed, which is also a great feeling because my entire life, you know, I've not had a way to these are terrifying experiences, you know, whether that shape is just staying over your bed or pushing down on your chest or pulling at your leg, or just in your room and you can't move and you can't speak. So those and that's been you know, I've had hundreds of those experiences over my life, and so I you know, and so I don't know where that little voice came from. I don't know whether I heard something or whether I just I don't know what. But I kind of leaned more into that model because you know, I don't I want this to you know, I don't want to experience this regularly. It's a you know, I'm afraid to go to sleep at times, you know, and that's you know, tired. I was going to ask how old were you when you messed with the Ouiji board. Seventeen? Did you have these sort of night terrors before all that. Oh yeah, they predated that I've had night terrors, you know, since since you're young, mayors my whole since I was very young, even before the face in the window. But they they did sort of pick up and we're a little a lot more vivid following the face in the window. But I was also getting older and have a better recollection of my experiences. And but you know, you ask my parents and they were like, yeah, you you had a lot of nightmares. So and they would be kind of dismissive because you know, that's that was you know, boomer parenting. They you know, they kind of their their model was, you know, it was just a dream. It can't hurt you in your dream. You need to just control your you can control yourself and the dream, go back to bed, and you know that's so that was kind of and I would I would tell myself that I stopped waking them up. So I try to be that way, but in the back of my mind, I'm there was a meme that I shared a few years ago that is one hundred percent spot on that said that the little girl was saying that the aliens were right, You're afraid of the aliens, and the guy was like, no, the aliens are already here, they're in a dimension older. Yeah, I've done that, Dad. At this point, like now I explain it to the children. But like for me when they say they're having bad dreams, like, oh, they're just they're young, their kids. But then I'm like, mm hmmm, I wonder if there's some more stuff going on that I don't want to talk about right now. My Interestingly, my daughter went through a period several years ago of night cares where she would be up almost every night. And at the time we were you she had We were just talking about it and we were tired that she'd been up the night before, and we were talking with her her writing instructor, and her writing instructor goes, do you have a dream catcher or anything like that in the room, And I'm like, We're like, yeah, why, because you know, well, you know those are you get Your daughter thinks it's cute. She's eight, you know, She's like, just take that out of the room and don't tell her. Just taken out of the room. So we you know, that next night we pulled that out of the room and it was like someone flipped a switch. She stopped having nightmares. I mean, it was it was, you know, and we didn't make a big deal about it. We had just removed it from the room. We didn't tell her, she didn't notice. But it was so funny because I look back and I look at my own experience of how do I make this stop? How do I, you know, close these doors, whatever doors they are, whether the doors between my ears or doors externally to the larger experience, you know, experience, How do I close them so that I, you know, how do I safeguard myself? And it was so funny. I thought back about that, and I'm like, here I am. You know, I had the answer several years ago. You know, I got a whatever doors I'm I'm opening in my room, in my space, in my life, I need to close those exactly the way we you know, we took the DreamCatcher out of her room, and we said the prayer that or that Naomi told us to pray, and yeahby stopped having nightmares. So it was it was a weird, you know, it was like, oh, there's an answer. There's the answer. And I had it and never applied it to myself. So I never thought about that, but my daughter has one too, So I think Dad's gonna go in there here in a little bit and take it out of there. Yeah, I mean, you know, I you know, I went, we went in there and we uh, you know, Naomi told us to take it out of there and just stay sold ninety one and see what happens, and darned if it didn't work, you know, And you know, you know, she, like most people, she'll have a nightmare once in a while, but she has not had a spate of like she was having like almost nightly experiences since then. So I feel like, and if you've listened to the show, anyone listened to the show, I don't push like a specific religion or any ideology on anyone, but for me, it's like, I know, people don't always believe in Like whoever's listening, they're not all going to be like in the Christian mindset, right. I have noticed a lot of people that have these sort of experiences or whatever they claim, even if they're a non believer, but if they use the name of Jesus and not just paranormals, like even when they say they've been messed with by aliens, like if they say that name it pushes it away. They don't have those experiences no more. Why is that name so divine in the sense that it has the power to push away the things that are bothering us? Yeah? I mean I you know, like I said, I was raised in a Christian home, and I kind of practiced, you know, what you might call sort of moralistic or cerebral Christianity for most of my life, you know, skipped the weird, uncomfortable parts of the Old Testament, kind of skimmed through Genesis six, Daniel ten, you know, Ezekiel and his wheel of fire, you know, and and uh, in the last couple of years, I've really re evaluated that that cerebral understanding, you know, of holding all that at a distance, as I've kind of come to realize, you know, maybe not maybe I I feel that that that that's probably the reason that name has power is because that name has power, and and you know, that's why it works. Like I was, I you know, I was. It's just yeah, like and you know, and why I didn't you know, why I was perfectly comfortable using that for my daughter but not turning that around on my own experience. Why why was this apathy almost disconnect between what was experience, what I was experiencing, and what she was experiencing and why it worked for her. And I didn't even you know, I didn't even think to try it on myself until very real, you know, until much more recently, and just a weird you know, just a weird growth experience. But it's a strange apathy. You're you're terrified of these things, and then you at the same time you're just completely stop hoorific uh paralyzed. Even when you can move, you're just sort of you know, you don't you don't do anything like I should get up and close that window, or I should get up and and so I've just been, like I said, more recently, I've been much more diligent in my in my prayer life, being intentional in in in you know, closing those metaphysical doors that once if I'm able to identify them, or the these these these you know, these things that may be opening me up to this experience, to these experiences, because I don't. They're not fun. You know, I've been told before the if we open doorways, we have to make sure that we shut all the doorways we open them. In the same manner that we open them in. Yeah, And it's hard to do that if you don't even realize you've opened. One right, right, And that's I don't think I really realized, you know, how many you know, doors I've left open in my in my life that you know, and I'm just kind of trying to work my way through closing them. So, you know, because they're two way street, you know, something nice might come in, but you know, you don't you know, you open the door and there's tigers out there, the tiger might come in, right, and and you know that's I want to protect my self, you know. And I also want to protect my my family from these experience and says you. You know, the more you read you find out about that the hitchhiker effect and and the intergenerational experiences and stuff like that. And and I have noticed over the last few months, with being more intentional and that sort of closing those doors and and and asking those doors to be closed through through the authority of of Jesus, that that that there's a lot sort of less activity. It's not zero, but it's definitely And I've had other periods in my life where it's died out, So I'm cautiously optimistic, but it's certainly a more comforting, proactive approach than I've ever had before. And I'm I feel empowered, you know, I feel good about that. You know that I've got to I've got a plan, so to speak, that and we're gonna you know, it's working, so we're gonna go with it. But you know, again, I you know, I don't I don't have certainty. I have faith, and and just kind of it's a journey that I'm on that I'm experiencing and listening and reading to other people, was reading other people's stories, listening to other people's stories, and and and just kind of you know, moving forward. And the you know, pod My discovery of podcasts and the communities and the forums has been nice because, like, you know, my wife knows that I have these dreams, and I've I've shared these experiences with her and my theories about what might be going on, and she subscribes to to you know, I think she you know, I think she she believes and she's had some experiences of her own throughout the years that she's you know, both positive and negative, so she knows there's she believes there's more out there as well. But it's like I said, speaking it into the speaking the experience into the into the world makes it feel like like I'm not crazy, you know, because I don't feel crazy. You know, I feel scared or I feel confused, but you know, don't feel like there's like I'm having a psychotic break or something like that. So it's it's but you know, I just want to talk about it and want to process it. I want to try to understand and and and you know, move forward positively. And the community has been you know, I'm a lurker, you know, I haven't really interacted that much, but but just reading other people's stories and hearing some versions and people, you know, and people have some some very strongly held beliefs about you know, aliens or demons or you know, there's a uh, you know, these people are trying to come to grips with whatever they're experiencing as well. And you know, I'm not I understand it's a you know, there's no it's not like there's a you know, like, oh, yeah, there it is, you know, but you know, I feel strongly that as I've moved from a more cerebral to a more spiritual understanding of my own faith. It's I feel sort of better as I process these these experiences and and and hear other people have a similar experience where they move into that understanding and they're able to interact more offensively to the to whatever they're experiencing, have more regain control of their own of their own life. And sleep is I think a good thing. So before we wrap this one up, I was gonna I was going to bring something up, sure, and see what you think about this. I've been thinking about the fact that people experience like how I've talked about how I think everything's connected somehow my theory and I don't know if it's my theory, but it's the one I think about, so we'll call it my theory for the time being. Sure, what if the things that everyone experiences are we see the things that relate back to us like it's something that we accept it makes sense to us. So let's say you saw the Bigfoot looking at you through the window, and you have these dreams I see a dog that walks on two legs. Other people see aliens or other people. What if it's just our minds projecting in something that we can relate to, but it's all based off the same thing. So people see shadow men, people see hat men, people see it. What if it's all the same actual entity or energy or whatever it is. But I mean it. Manifests itself to us as to something unique to us, but it's still the same thing under that guise of behind it, like it's still back there. But that's how it manifests to us. I think we I think we we all have our own lens that we lay over what we're experiencing, particularly when we don't know what we're experiencing. And I think I think you're onto something that that that you know that you know, I you know, I'm coming at it these days from a you know, that's an unclean spirit, that's a demon, you know, the aliens or demons, you know, the you know the joke I I I you know, I shared on Twitter a few months ago, a few weeks ago, was that demons are the unifying theory of the paranormal. Because but I think that our whether they lay that overlay onto us, you know, call it, you can call it screening memories or this is all we can comprehend or this is what we lay over what we're experiencing. Like if you you read enough of these experiences, people will talk about where two people will be in the same space and have a similar experience, but one will see a reptilian and one will see a demon, or one will see an alien and one will see a you know, a ghost. And and are they seeing you know, I think you're that there's you know, we're we're laying our own experience, our own consciousness, our own vision over it, over you know, our own lens over it. And I, you know, and I also think if these things are non human, intelligence is real. You know, consciousness is entities with with thoughts. You know that that are able to affect us consciously or unconsciously. Are they laying you know, or feeding into whatever our whatever our experience is too, you know, to their own benefit, for whatever their benefit is. I don't, you know, I don't I don't know the answer to that, but I think, you know, a book that really kind of opened my eyes to what this that idea is the Passport to Magonia. I don't know if you ever read that. I'm not much of an avid reader. So now, okay, the you know, you've seen close Encounters, right, yep, okay, you know the Truffaux played the French scientist who's kind of jump being being driven from place to place to pace to meet the aliens and figure out what's going on. He's based on a guy named Jacques Valet, who's yeah, just computer scientist, physicist, was worked with Project Blue Book with Heinich wrote a book and he took a sabbatical in sixty seven or sixty eight and wrote and spent a lot of time in the National archives in France and wrote a book called Pesport to Magonia that was published in sixty nine. And he looked at the the National Archives of France and there's you know, and then also records out of India and out of the Bible and out of the Fay experience of the Celts and Ireland and stuff like that, and how there are dramatic similarities in in the abduction experiences and in the nighttime experiences, and then the the weird lights in the sky, you know, whether they're describing them as chariots or wheels of fire or or clouds or UFOs, and and he talked about how much you know this is a this is a human experience that people have been describing using the worldview of the time, you know, there for thousands of years. And he that was in direct rebuttal to the the on the model that that the UFO experience began in forty seven, you know, with the Nine Things over Mountaineer and then Roswell and then you know, and it was the it was all initiated because by the ets, because we'd become atomic and and he was kind of like, you know, this been going on a lot longer, right, and the same sort of thing that that people are laying their own cultural views, their own religious views, their own spiritual views over whatever they're experiencing, and vice and it feels like almost vice versa. But there are some similarities to lights in the sky, you know, malevolent spirits, potentially benevolent spirits, don't trust, don't take any food, and fairy I mean, how many there's how many stories in Ireland are there about don't eat the food if it's offered, you know, you know, there's poems about it and all sorts of stuff, and you know you'll get trapped. I do get stuck there. And you know how different is I got trapped in a fairy mound because I ate the food. And Travis Walton's experience where he was, you know, sucked up into the sky and appears five days later, thirty miles away with this horrible experience, you know, this malevolent experience that he looks through the atomic gauge seventies America, you know, space age. It's lens that you know, you know, and someone in eighteen hundred, you know, eighteen hundreds Ireland looks at this throughout through a ferry lens, or you know, someone in India looks at it, you know, ten thousand years ago through the Vedic lens. And you know, I think you're onto something that this is a this is a human experience that that that, and it's you know, that's connected and ongoing. Yeah, I don't know what they are. I don't know how to describe them. I don't know if they're demons. I don't know if they're aliens. I don't know if they're in ay dimensional or whatever aspect you want to call them. I just feel like a lot of this stuff is all tied back together one way or the other. But I always like to say, you know, embrace the power of the word and because we don't know, and so we instead of instead of parsing it out and you know, siloing yourself into particular worldview. You know, whether it's got to be UFOs from Mars or from Venus, or from Saturn or from Alpha Centauri or Oriyan's belt, or it's got to be interdimensional non human intelligences, or it's got to be the Deep Sevens or it's demons. You know, you know they're I think they're connected. And you know, I have my you know, firming up opinion about about the malevolence and deception of the entities. But at the end of the day, I don't know. But I think embrace the power of the word end And I think, you know, keep asking, keep listening, I think listening, and I think my favorite quote I used to tell this to my residence when I was a teaching attending. I always told them, because you know that you read the book and that patient's not doing what the books supposed to do. And I always tell them that what John Audubon said, he said, when the bird and the book disagree, believe the bird every time. And just like and that I remind I to remind myself off of that that that you need to in all things. You know that if the person is telling you something different than what your worldview is saying, you know that you need to listen, and you need to, you need to, you need to you know, question you know your own assumptions and your own biases, and and let the bird tell you what it's going to do and then you might learn something. So no, that's a good one. Yeah. Yeah, that's when the bird in the book disagree. Believe the bird. That's that's a that's that's how I am approaching this. You know, well, Mario, it's the work in progress. It's been a pleasure talking with you. But I think we can probably listen to me. I'm glad you reached out. I'm glad to we're able to get this all scheduled and have you come on here and talk with me. And I appreciate the the forum and the opportunity and and uh uh the direction. If you'd like to be a guest on Tenfoil Tells, remember to send an email to Tenfoil Telles podcast at gmail dot com, or go to Tinfoil Tales dot com and go to the contact section. Make sure to follow me around on all the social media's and just remember truth comes at a cost. Are you willing to pay the price? I've heard a story lay last night about something alert along a wood line, huge foot prints, strange lights in the sky. They claim it's nothing, but I know they light it season or last to lap in my face. But something about this makes me say. What if it's grit? What if they knew? What if the answers are coming from you, spending story, wasting my time hearing boices? Is it all in there? They could call me crazy, but I just want some froom. What if it's true? What if it's really? What if it's true? 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