Ep. 221 - The Smoke Man

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me. Away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps. Like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw. The top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing. I don't like death. Welcome back to Sanfoil Tells. I'm your host Brandon Tonight. We're joined by my guest Matthew. Thanks for coming on here talking with me. Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it. Would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself before we. Get into it. Yeah, so my name is Matthew. I am twenty one years old. I yeah, I mean I don't know a little bit about me I'm a Christian. I guess that's like how I would how like I would always describe myself to anybody who asked me, you know, you know, give a little bit of a description to yourself. That's the first thing I always say. I'm a Christian. So I'm a very religious guy. You know, I believe in God, and you know, I kind of structure my life around Christian ethics and things that you know, and that like kind of that kind of nature of ethics and whatnot. And so that being the case, I've also experienced my fair share of paranormal experiences and different weird, weird encounters, which we'll definitely talk about out here. But yeah, I have a show called The caf Five Boys. I basically speak to people about all things politics, relationships, culture, you know, different things of that nature, different political topics that we have today in today's society and and I guess the political scape or space at large. So you know, but I'm also really interested in things like this, like the cryptids and the conspiracy theories and you know, cool things that I'm also really interested in things like this. So it's cool to get into a show like this and be able to speak about this, but also kind of you know, if anybody's interested in the politics kind of side of conversations, they can check out the caf five Boys. But that's kind of what I do, and that's just me. I can say from my own experiences doing conspiracy type episodes, and I've had some political stuff on here. I don't know how many people actually want to listen to that on my end because they want to hear all the conspiracy stuff for the crazy stuff, and we get into politics on here. That seems like my. Episodes don't do as well as some of the other ones, which I get because yeah, no, I mean it's a flavor for everybody, but yeah. No, I mean, uh, you know, everybody's gonna have different beliefs and opinions and stuff like that, and you know, it is the tinfoil tails, so you know, they kind of expect to be around that topic. Yeap. That is uh, harshly why I call the what I call it for, because it just kind of everyone has their own sort of different opinions on things. So and when we talk about some of the topics that I talk about on here, a lot of people get labeled as conspiracy people or crazy people you are in a tenfoil hat and all that other stuff. So I just embraced it. Where did you come up? Yeah that sounds I mean, yeah, you know, now that I think about it. Sorry, was that you can go ahead? I was just going to ask re came up with your name for your show? Oh okay, I was just gonna say that a lot of the conspiracies, like when you talk about conspiracies, a lot of the time they could dive into like some politics and stuff like that. Like you know, there's there's some about like you know, the thing that happened in September eleventh, So there's there's things like that that kind of dive into some politics and things. And there's other ones as well that could dive into political stuff and agendas and and different parties and things like that. But my name or the name for my show, The Cat five Boys, kind of came from I'm from Florida and we have a lot of hurricanes over here, so and usually the topics that we speak on can get a little crazy. Like we talk about feminism, we talk about the conservative Republicans, Democrats, liberals, we talk about abortion, all sorts of different things, and a lot of the times, those conversations with people that we have on can get a little bit crazy. And so you know, category five the highest category of hurricane there is. It can get crazy in the category five hurricane, and they can also get crazy in our show. So that's kind of where the name came from a little bit. But yeah, that's pretty much where the name came from. Awesome. I was trying to figure it out. I didn't even think of category five, So it makes sense. Now. I have family from Florida, so yeah, I have an understanding of the hurricane systems down there. I'm safe up here in Indiana, but I do have family from Florida. If my dad's originally from down there. Yeah, it can't get a bit crazy with the hurricanes over here at times. Are you on the Gulf side or the Atlantic side. I'm on the Atlantic side, so we've been We've been spared our our fair share of hurricanes as of late, but we have been hit pretty hard with some other ones, like earlier on in the like in the in the late like in the nineties. I think in the eighties nineties. I wasn't alive for that time, but you know, we were hit with a couple there. I know Hurricane Andrew I think was a ninety two or something like that, and I was a pretty big one down by Miami. Yeah, that one, that one for sure. I remember that one for sure. That one hit pretty hard for And then there was one called Irma that while I was alive, but it wasn't it wasn't too bad at least in my but apparently it was a It was a pretty strong hurricane. But I don't really remember too much stuff. Yeah. Well, the thesis of the show as we talk about a lot of the weird things and strange things, and you mentioned you'd had some of your own personal experiences. If there's anything you would like to start off with, I'd love to hear about it. Yeah, I mean, uh, I guess kind of where I guess kind of where I'll start. Is. I kind of don't know where I want to start. I mean, I've had experiences myself, but I've also had experiences that I've heard from family members and things of that nature. Uh So, you know, family experiences and and different ghost stories that have been told. Uh, I guess it. You know, through the through the different generations and of my family, we've had our fair share. My family's originally from Nicaragua, and they used to back when they used to My father and my mother grew up there. They were in a in a small town and they knew each other and that's kind of how they met and how they grew up together and things of that nature. And they kind of obviously eventually they got married and had me, so you know, my genesis of my creation. But in Nicaragua, there was a lot of, uh, there was a lot of you know, folk stories and and urban legends that they would tell amongst themselves and you know, to scare the kids. They would have la yourna and they would have a bunch of different I guess myths and legends to you know, for whatever reason, just for entertainment, sometimes sometimes to scare kids into doing good things or whatever the case. But there was one in particular that they would tell me about that would always kind of I mean, I guess it kind of always stuck with me to a certain degree. But they they've always told me that they have they've had experiences like that where it would always be like a it's kind of like they would call it the smoke the smoke guy or something like that because it would always show up whenever they would smoke or whatever. They'd be around people who would smoke rather so you know, they'd be like, you know, young kids ten years old and they'd be around adults who were smoking, and they were just you know, chatting and the you know, in their backyard and their home in Nicaragua and everything, and they would they would puff, you know, they would do the puff for the from the smoke, and all you would see is like the figure of a person standing right in front of them. And you know, that one kind of stuck with me because there was like an instance where I remember it was really cold in South Florida, which is weird because it never gets cold over here, and there was you know, the smoke I suppose, like the I don't know what you would call it, the mist or the smoke that would come out of my breath whenever I would like breathe out would be happening. And then I was in my backyard at one point and I was, you know, just kind of enjoying the cold air because it never it never happens down here. Rarely it happens down here. But I would blow out and then I would see the I saw this figure that just stood right and it was like standing right in front of me, like the face super close, everything like like it was right in front of me, and I got I got chills down my spine, everything of the sword like that, and I just immediately I felt like I wasn't alone, where a second ago, I felt like I was completely alone. It was, you know, normal, completely normal, And then in a split second I saw that figure. I ran back inside, like no tomorrow, that's for that's for sure. But I remember that story from my from my family being told from generation. I guess of like the smoky Man, I guess is what they would call him. But other than that, I guess my own my own tales from like the things I can truly like tell you that this is completely unexplainable. One that I always kind of go back to whenever I think of these type of things is I was visiting Saint Augustine in Florida. It's it's it's a very historical place. It's a very that's like they call it the oldest the oldest city in Florida, the oldest town in Florida, and there's a lot of history that that that you know Saint Augustine has seen and there was one time. You know, my family and I we would visit there a lot, very frequently, I would say, like when I was a child, Like when I was a kid growing up, probably once a year we would go there. Every single year we would make a visit to Saint Augustine. We'd we'd go down there and we'd spend a week in and we'd spend u four days or something like that, and we just enjoy Saint Augustine and all the historical sites and everything. And there was one particular trip that we went down there, or I guess up there because I live south of that, but we went up to Saint Augustine and we stayed in this like motel like quality and type of thing where the rooms once you once you like open the front door to the room, it's outside now, Like it's not like a big building where you got hallways and things of that nature. It's just open the door, you're outside. Then there was particularly cold that day, which is kind of ironic considering my first story when it was cold, But it was cold that day in Saint Augustine, and I had walked outside because we had just gotten there, and it was like middle of the night when we got there, probably like twelve twelve in the morning or like one in the morning, something like that. And we had just gotten there. We laid all of our bags down, and my dad asking the thirteen year old to go get some ice whatever. He asked me to go get some ice, fill up the little ice bucket. And so I go. I go fill up the ice bucket. And as I'm walking on my way to go fill up the ice bucket, I'm feeling as if there's something behind me. I'm getting like this weird sensation, this weird like chill down my spine, like somebody, like somebody's behind me trying to be sneaky or something, and like I'm not alone, and like you know, like sometimes you get that feeling union followed or you're getting chased, and you just want to run, You just want to book it for no reason, even though maybe there's not anybody following you. But I got that feeling very distinctly of somebody following me there. Oh, and you know, kind of that chill down my spine. And so I look right behind me and I see nobody. You know, I that time, I don't see anybody. There's nobody there, not a trace, no no sound, no sign, no nothing. It was all I heard was like the crickets and the or whatever the case. It was nighttime, so it was like, you know, all I heard was the noises of the outside world. And so I keep walking. You know, I'm like, you know what, I'm just freaking myself out. It's fine, nothing's happening. There's nobody there. You're fine. Just keep walking to the ice machine. Get the ice like your dad told you. So I keep walking, no problem, and I start hearing footsteps this time, and I'm all like, all the while, I'm still getting the chills. I'm still feeling like there's somebody behind me, but now I'm actually hearing footsteps behind me, like there's somebody walking right behind me. Just the footsteps are clear as day, just matching mind to a certain degree, where every single time I would walk a little faster, i'd start picking up the pace. It would also pick up the pace, like the footeps wild get quicker and quicker. And so I look back again as the footsteps continue to get quicker, and I see how the like, there's really nothing there this time again, there's nothing there. So I'm like, I must be going crazy. There has to be something in my brain right now that's not working. There's there's something, there's some like some connection that's not fully connected at the moment in time. So you know what, I'm just gonna I'm not even gonna think about it. I'm just gonna keep walking. I make my turn to actually get the ice. I'm at the ice machine and everything. I'm here to get my eyes. I'm here to do it when my father asked me to do so whatever. I start getting the ice. I'm filling it up, and I hear like a shuffle or something. I look to my in my peripheral vision to my right side, right where like the hallway kind of turns into the ice machine. So right in that corner, I saw immediately like somebody was peeking at me and going right back into like to not being able to be seen anymore. So it goes like in my peripheral I just see someone dart right back like they were trying to hide. And I look at that and I'm like crapping my pants or I don't know if you can curse on the show, but I'm crapping my pants right now I don't even know what's going on. I'm just I just know that I saw something, and I know for sure I saw something. There's no way I did. I just saw that, you know what I mean. And so I look back there and I'm just staring at that point, and I stopped the ice at that because I want to hear I want to make sure that it's just my eyes and it's not my ears also telling me there's something there. And I just start listening to see if I hear anything. And I start to hear a distinct whispering, like somebody like their children having conversations right beyond that corner of the wall. And I'm just hearing like a but like a child doing that, and like like several children having conversations and like kind of chuckling to themselves like they're like they're making fun of me. To a certain degree, I felt very really belittled at that point. But it was like somebody was It was like two little children, three little children were having conversations right beyond that corner of the wall. And so I hear that clear as day too, Like there's no mistaking that at all. I'm hearing whispers right beyond that corner of that wall. I book it the other way because there's absolutely no way I'm going to go that way after what I just saw, on what I just heard. So I'm going the other way, trying to go around the back, trying to go like towards the other side to get to the to my room. At that point, I got like half the bucket full. I'm not about a I'm not about to stay there and get the whole bucket. So I'm just I'm just moving and I hear the footsteps again right behind me, and I started running. This time I'm sprinting, and I I hear the footsteps sprinting as like continuing to get quicker and quicker and stronger, like like that's like, and it was like it felt heavy too. Not only did it feel heavy, but I felt the ground shake with every step that that thing took, whatever that thing was, but whatever the entity it was that was following me, I felt the ground move as it took it's each step, and so I just kind of like kept running and I turned around. Eventually, once I got to my room, I turned around and nothing was behind me. And to this day, I still remember that as a very very like it's like a core memory as to what, like Saint Augustine, kind of the history behind it and everything. I always to this day still attribute that to a historical like spirit or entity or something like that. There's something there that lived in a historical period of time. I want to believe that me personally, but either way, all I know is that it was very terrifying, and it's just that that was kind of one of the biggest I guess paranormal experience which I've ever had. Personally now was Saint Augustine. I've heard for a long time, but that's one of the haunted, like more haunted areas, just because of how old it is and they've had a lot of different history back there, so I don't doubt there isn't some sort of weird presences out there, but just because of how old the area is and generally now. Yeah, there's that. I mean, that's kind of like they advertise themselves to be like the oldest city in Florida or something like that. That's what they advertise Saint Augustine like, which is kind of the appeal of it and everything. But there has been a lot of sightings in the lighthouse there. I don't know if you've ever heard of the Saint Augustine Lighthouse there. It's a very very famous hotspot for paranormal activity and the whole city. There's also a big castle, a naval castle from like the sixteen hundreds in that in that town as well, like probably maybe like ten miles away from where I was staying in that hotel at that point in time, And there's been a lot of sightings there, a lot of shadow figures, a lot of voices, and there's been a lot of urban legends attached to that as well. I remember one specific urban legend that was, if you put your ear to the to the wall of that castle, you'll be able to hear like the war sounds and like war cries and people dying and like screams and different things like that of like the you know, supposedly of the battles that have happened in that castle, and supposedly some people have actually heard that type of stuff. I heard like stories of when I was there visiting that, like they would try that and it would actually it would actually hear things, which obviously I can't confirm or deny that because that's just people telling me that. But but yeah, that's definitely like that city is definitely considered to be a paranormal hotspot, especially in the state of Florida. For sure. The other. Stuff that you've experienced and you've heard about, what was your initial thoughts on all those Like is this is something you actually leaved in or is it just because you've experienced and now has made you more open towards it. You mean, like spirits and like paranormal things of that nature. Yeah. Usually, like when I talk to people, even myself in general, like I never really believed in any of this stuff. But once you like have something that you can't really explain this, what kind of makes you start questioning what's really going on? Yeah, No, for sure, I mean I think I think in my case, I would say I've always kind of believed and I've always kind of took it on faith because I mean, since I am a Christian, I do I do just kind of as like a necessary aspect of my faith. I do believe in the afterlife, and I do believe in that there's life after death and you know, different things of that nature. And you know, the Church because I'm a Catholic, so the church. The Catholic Church has a lot of records of exorcisms happening and demons being exercised different from people, and they've had files and upon files of different exorcistms that have been held, and some of those files are actually really like really crazy interesting as to like the things that have happened and that have been documented and actually like proven. But there is really like you can't really explain it because it's just it's just extraordinary circumstances that have taken place. So I've kind of always had like that belief that there is something out there. There's life after death, so there's obviously like there's obviously something, you know, so I wouldn't hold it like I wouldn't deny the fact that or I guess the belief that there are spirits lingering, or maybe they're all demons, or maybe they're all like evil spirits or something, or maybe they're all impurgatory and they're just coming over here to ask for prayers or something, you know, just something happening that's beyond our understanding and our like ability to notice it. But there I've always kind of believed that, and then once I've had those experiences, and once I've been able to or I guess, once those things have happened to me, I guess I kind of just reinforced everything for me. Yeah, that seems how it is for a lot of people, Like once they have that experience and then it just opens up that floodgate for more stuff too. Yeah, no, for sure. I mean I think after that point in time, that Saint Augustine experience that I've had, I've always had a fascination for spirits and and like the paranormal and you know, like kind of investigations of those things and visiting different paranormal places, and I've always kind of wanted to go travel around the United States and and stay at all the highest paranormal activities hotspots. I guess. Ever since that time, it's always kind of fascinated me, you know, to know that there's something, I guess, like on the other side that we can't see ourselves, but sometimes we communicate with and there's so much like in like, there's so much intertwined in that too, because there's some people who are are able to like speak to those people. There's some people who are able to see, you know, spirits and entities there's some people who are able to communicate with them and they have that gift. It's it's truly truly fascinating to me. And then extra systems as well has always been super fascinating to me. And to know like like the the endless war between or I suppose the constant war rather between good and evil and you know, the forces of good and evil and everything like that. It's just always been super fascinating, especially after that that point in time into Augustine when that happened. Now with your show, you said you get like political and everything else. You mentioned some conspiracies and you brought up the whole line eleven thing, which I've talked about that with other people before too. I think a lot of conspiracy stuff it is political in a sense because a lot of the stories that you get and a lot of these conspiracies all stem from the belief of not trusting the government and they don't believe the cover stories that come along with it. So how many episodes have you ever done that kind of goes down in that rabbit hole? I think I think like one of the biggest, like for sure things that you'll you'll know, like I don't even know how I'll explain this, Like I guess one of the the things you will know for certain that you'll talk about when speaking about politics is conspiracy theories. That's like, that's like one of the things that when you're talking about politics, you're talking about disagreements, there's gonna be somebody who's gonna blurt out but the government is is bought and paid for or like you know, Night Bush did nine to eleven, or like something, something's gonna come up that is a conspiracy of the government where people don't believe or have faith in the government or trust the government or whatever the case, which is completely you know, completely founded. In my show, what I what I kind of stick to is more like political conversations about things we disagree on in the sense of like like somebody's pro life or somebody's pro choice, and we have a debate about that. There's been a lot of debates on my shows and a lot of times where we disagree on things like that. There hasn't we haven't really dived too much into like conspiracy theories and things of that nature. So I mean, I would say we haven't really touched on that type of stuff because my show kind of dives into more of the debate side of things, the disagreement side of things. So it seems like no matter what topics should get into, and especially when the ball's politics, there's always going to be some sort of different opinions. And that's the one thing I've noticed with a lot of people is politics and religion are like the two main things that people want to argue. So it's like one of them, oh yeah, because it's so split, like some people have this sort of belief system and someone else doesn't. Instead of getting along whether that, everyone wants to argue about it, and everyone wants to prove that their points correct and everything, and we have that going on here in the weird paranormal realm, in the cryptid world and everything else, Like everyone wants to argue their point and to prove how correct they are and how everyone else is wrong. But at the end of the day, especially in this type of field that I do, is I don't think anyone really has a clue. Even with the conspiracy people like we have, there's if we could prove it, it wouldn't be a conspiracy, you know what I mean. So that's the reason. It's the conspiracy because yes, it makes a whole lot of sense and it's probably one hundred percent accurate, but because we can't actually prove it, it still falls into the category of a conspiracy. But then you have people out there beating their chest claiming that this is one hundred percent true, but yet they lack the proof to prove it. No, I completely understand, I completely agree. People just want to be right, you know, they want to have that satisfaction of being able to say, yeah, I was right about this, you know. And a lot of the time when it comes to the conspiracy side of the of the Internet, it's definitely a lot of guessing games because there's there there's rarely ever going to be moments where the conspiracy theories proved to be true or they prove to be false. Usually it kind of just gets left up in the in the air as to whether or not it's true or not. And a lot of the time there's there's like variants of the same conspiracy theories where somebody will believe this thing and then they'll change, like they'll they'll switch a little detail of the thing, and it turns into a whole different thing of the same topic. So It's like when it comes to the conspiracy theories, you can never really win. It's just fun to think about that type of stuff, and and the and the implications of those things being true. Sometimes can be really serious. But I don't think anybody really takes it too seriously, because if they did, there'd be a lot more I think there'd be a lot more upheaval in society if people really took these conspiracy theories seriously. But I feel like a lot of the time people just kind of have these conspiracy theories. They talk about them, and they debate about them, just to kind of like have fun with it, like it's fun to them, you know, which I mean, I agree. I I find conspiracy theories to be fun, you know. That's that's those are. It's fun to talk about, it's fun to debate about. It's fun to to dive into and dive into that rabbit hole and everything. A lot of the time. But I think that's kind of what people kind of take it as. It's just like a lot of fun, you know. If they really took it seriously, you know, I feel like there'd be a lot more upheaval. What is the one conspiracy that you've heard of that you actually believe is one hundred percent accurate. Oh, that's a good question. Put you on the spot. Yeah, that's a good question. Put me on the spot. Here. The conspiracy theory, I believe, out of all of them, I would say probably like the the like the New World Order kind of conspiracy theory where where there's this group of people who are controlling everything and like, you know that behind the scenes, they're moving things the way they want to move them, and they're creating things or they're making things happen in the world in order to like kind of bring about some agenda that they have, whatever that may be. And there's like this group of people out there who are doing that and it's the most powerful, most elite, you know, richest, you know, whatever the case may be. But the Illuminati. Yeah, So something along those lines, like the Illuminati or like the Freemasons, or like, there's like there's an organization of people who are doing that, controlling all of that. I've got a few episodes about that. And here's what's funny. Those episodes get demonetized whenever they get posted. Like I can talk about all sorts of crazy topics and everything but the moment you bring up New World Order, Illuminati, Freemasons, the Rothschilds, any of those people, they demonetize those episodes they don't meet the standards. It's like, well for a conspiracy person, when you're automatically taking away any sort of monetization from those specific episodes, only it almost shows the conspiracy people proof because we can't talk about this stuff. Otherwise you're going to get demonetized. Okay, yeah, no. For sure. I mean you should have told me man, I wouldn't. Now you're going to get demonetized. That has brought up the Freemason Nah, I don't, but uh, I don't care, no, but but it is. It is cool to think about that type of stuff though, where it's like they are like different things that would happen like that where you get demonetized or maybe like it gets age restricted or something where these specific videos where you're talk talking about this, I think there's a lot of other like big signs you can see in reality and like in the real world where you're like, Okay, this definitely has to be like orchestrated to a certain degree. There's no way that this is just happening just because you know, this is just I don't know, I don't know. I find it. I find it very compelling. The whole New world or kind of idea and conspiracy theory out there. I think some of the other ones tie into that as well, because if you start that's almost like the tip of the iceberg to an extent, like if you go down that rabbit hole and then you start to think, well, if they could pull things off, then you start looking at these other things, well that they can orchestrate this event here to happen, and then it just keeps spile, like the more and more you get into, the further down you go. And honestly, as bad as it sounds, I think some people go so far down in that conspiracy realm rabbit hole that they never come back out. And that's why the whole myth and the joke of the tin foil hat and everything is because they've random self so far down into these conspiracies that they don't know what to believe anymore. Yeah, I think I also think it also attributes a little bit to those people taking it so seriously, but them being like the only ones. Like what I was saying before, where if if if a big collection of people actually took these conspiracy theories seriously. It would it would be like actual upheaval in the streets and things like that, things of that nature. But majority of people kind of look at these conspiracy theories as like jokes or things to have like fun with, or fun things to think about or whatever the case, fun thought experiments. But then there are those select few people who really do take it seriously, and since they don't have that many people to kind of agree with them and like have a movement happen, they kind of just drive themselves nuts with the Tim Foyles and all that stuff, like you were just saying. I think there's definitely an aspect of that as well. For sure, I believe there is a lot of truth to some conspiracies, but there's also other conspiracies out there that I don't necessarily think are true. And and. You can't have discussions with some people because they're so die hard on that wall that they're not going to budge from it. And I get it, like everyone's rooted, like I said earlier, kind of like with politics and religion and everything, like people are so high strung on what they believe, and no one wants to be wrong. Everyone wants to be right. Everyone wants to prove people that they're correct. That's where it becomes hard when we're trying to do shows like this, because I don't just want to put out information that's not real or what someone else thinks is you know what I mean, Like, I'm not trying to go out there and just spread around fake crap for people to listen to. Like, for me, I have one hundred percent have to believe in anything that I'm going to go out there and say, like I think the government orchestrated at nine to eleven I do. I mean, I don't care if I get in trouble for saying I do. I think there's something behind that. I don't think it was the cover story is not one hundred percent accurate, and there's some more behind the scenes stuff going on, and I'll say that and I'll own it, but I'm not gonna I don't like when people come on here and start spouting off all this information as one hundred percent fact, but yet they can't prove anything, because then it's not really enough. It's just you know, for sure. Yeah, I think there's definitely an aspect of having to believe what you say if you're like saying it to like in the sense of yeah, this is this is true, or like I give my stamp of approval. You have to kind of believe that, you know, you have to kind of have that Like I like that whole, Like you have to understand it yourself in order to speak about it, you know, Like people speaking out of ignorance is kind of it's kind of funny sometimes to see. There is a lot of that that I've noticed in the last few years of doing this show and just listening to other things, that society right now is very full of ignorance. And that's not for sure, that's not a diss on anyone that listens to the show or anything like that, but it's literally if you just pay attention to the echo chambers of social media, and it's literally nothing but people having no clue about anything, and it's just a constant cess pool of arguments. Oh yeah, for sure, I mean, I think, and a lot of the time it's really just like it's really self deprecating as well, where you get these people who will have I'm all for debates. I love debates. I love like being able to have two differing opinions and being able to to like engage with those difference of opinions and stuff like that, and and like defend your own position against somebody who disagrees. I'm all for that, and I love that type of engagement. I love that type of activity. But when it gets to a point where people really like start to like harm each other for like for those beliefs or those opinions, where it gets to a point where you know, people are attempting on lives because of it, or it's getting to a point where people are ending their own lives because of differences of opinions, or it gets to a point where it's just it's too much. You gotta just like, you gotta take these as opinions because that's what they are at the end of the day, and understand that not everybody's agree with you, and you can have discussions or you cannot, and you can just you know, keep it to yourself, and you know, never talk about different never talk to people who have a difference of opinion than you. And that's fine if you want to live that way, but you know, when you take it too far, that's what I that's what I've been seeing a lot today when people get called biggots, people get called racist or homophobic or transphobic just because they have a difference of opinion, or you know, you get called those sorts of names because you just disagree when people can't just understand. You know, not everybody's gonna agree with you, and that's that's fine. You know, that's why we that's why we we live. You know, that's why we're humans. We have different brains, we have different ways of thinking, and that's that's the beauty of being a human. But you know, you can't you can't just go ahead and accuse somebody of being this this this really bad thing. You know, you're you're a you're a racist because you'd think that X, Y, and z. It's like, you know, can't be that way, you know what I mean. It's that's kind of what society is kind of dived itself into recently. And to go back to the conspiracy realm, it's almost as if someone has been pulling those strings to push people that way. I completely agree with that, and that's one of the biggest things that pushed me towards believing in that conspiracy theory. More than anything else where that if you were to ask me, like you did, you know which one is the one that you would say you believe the most. That's the one for sure, because just considering how society has moved in the past one hundred years, and maybe even a little bit more beyond that, but definitely in the past hundred years, the way society has moved. We've had two world wars, We've had the feminist movement, We've had we've had the homosexuality like the LGBTQ movement come out. We've had you know, the race like the race wars, the gender wars happening and everything. It's kind of all it's all kind of happened all at once, where you're kind of you kind of got to think to yourself at times, is this something intentional in order to like, like, this is meant to happen so that we can be divided, so we can be fighting each other and not worrying that we're like we're not paying attention to the real threat, the true enemy at hand. We're just fighting each other about these these dumb, like really trivial topics that in the long run won't mean anything. If we go to World War three and the world restarts because the New World Order wanted that, or something else happens because the New World Order wanted that. We're we're still going to be arguing about whether or not transgenderism exists or whatever the case may be, Like, are we still going to argue about that? Because there's gonna be bigger things that are happening that we were too blind to see because we're fighting amongst each other, you know. And that's definitely one of the biggest things that make me kind of believe and and and kind of subscribe to that, to that conspiracy theory. It's easier to keep people distracted by giving them things to argue about amongst each other. So the people behind the scenes continue to do what they do, and we're too busy fighting amongst ourselves to pay attention to what's going on and the distractions from them. We see it in the media, we see it everywhere we talk, see anything where it's it's out there like it's there to basically make us distracted while the puppet masters are back pulling the strings and counting their money and everything else that they do. And again one hundred percent believe this that there are people I don't know who I'm not going to name names I don't know. I think if you actually know their names and you can say their names, it's probably not the people that are actually pulling the strings. But I think there's someone out there orchestrating a lot of the chaos that goes on in the world. No for sure. And I think I would also go a step further and say, like, they're much more intelligent than we are, in the UH, in the in the in the ministue, I guess, and in the individual they're much more intelligent themselves going at it as a whole versus us individually speaking. That's why they want us divided, because together we're a lot smarter than they are, but us apart us fighting each other, they're definitely twenty thousand times smarter than we are, and they're pulling the strings very very slightfully, very sneakily. And there's definitely people who control different things, different aspects of the world, and they have like their own responsibilities at least I feel that way. Like, for example, you have the people who control Hollywood, you have the people who control the music industry, you have the people who control you know, kind of the health and you know, there's been like a very big spike in obesity. I wonder why that is. They want to make people a lot weaker now, and there's people who control that aspect of the world. There's people who control the political aspect of the world, and so on and so forth. I've always kind of had this, like this funny idea, and it probably isn't true because, like you said, if you can name them, that's probably isn't the person because they don't want you to know who they are at the end of the day. But I would probably say that when it comes to like the music industry of the world, jay Z to me feels like the type of guy. The way he moves and the way he controls a lot of that industry seems to me. That seems to me to be the type of guy where, yeah, he's definitely pulling some strengths for the for the for the big for the big people, you know what I mean, at least for me personally. That's why I would I put my money on him. To be honest, there is a list of people that without going out and just name dropping every single person, but there's people like jay Z there's obviously Diddy, and then there's all sorts of stuff, and this goes even further into the whole weird Pizzagate theories of politicians and other celebrities that are involved in here with these Epstein stuff. Like, at some point you would think that there would be some sort of revelations, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. I know with the media right now, we keep getting little stuff thrown out here and there, and I think it's just to keep people again distracted and guessing and changing the narratives because there's other things going on behind the scenes, and we're all just kind of being fed to follow whatever this is being dangled in front of us. Were like the donkey walking around with the carrot in front of us, except it's tied to the thing that just keeps going in circles. And that's what we are because anything like I just don't foresee anything manifesting from this. I've been following these weird conspiracy things for the last six years when it comes to this political side of stuff, and it's always the same running joke to me is something's happening, so ohrest are coming. It's coming it's coming. It's coming. Well at what point, you know what I mean? Like, for so long, everyone keeps saying these same things. The white hats are coming and they're doing. I heard this stuff back in the nineties. It's funny because you said you're twenty one. Yeah, yeah, I'm basically double your age. I'm almost forty two. So all this stuff that's been going on, I've been down these rabbit holes back in the nineteen nineties. Like I remember the whole Line of Living thing when it happened. I watched it live. So for me, it's like I've been down this ath for so long. I just don't see anything coming from it, anything good, you know what I mean? Yeah, No, for sure, there's there's definitely been. There's always that like thing that like, oh, it's going to happen at this time, like for example, that one in that one instance, I was alive for this for sure, but where they were saying like, oh, the world's going to end in twenty twelve because that's when the when the calendars end or something like that, and whatever the case. I remember that, and it obviously never happened. You know, we're still here. There's always like you know, people spreading panic, and there's always people who are saying things like the world's going to end at this time, or you know, there's gonna be an alien that an alien attack's going to happen at this time, or you know, there's always that like mongering. November of this year, there is a thing that came out. Basically it is a not a UFO but some sort of object that's now into our solar system and is traveling by and there's some scientist guy claiming that it could be a alien spaceship. And down the conspiracy realm for the last two years, they've been talking about how they're going to fake and alien invasion. The government is and I don't necessarily believe in that, but that's what the UFO community people have been talking about, and the conspiracy people they are all on the same page that there's a fake invasion and coming. And now that they're talking about this thing showing up here sometime in November of this year, they think that's what this is. It's the pre course or pre coursor for this fake alien invasion. I was like, Okay, well, I guess we'll see here in the next couple of months. Yeah, I think I've seen things of that of that as well, where it's like they have like a big machine or something at one point. There's different phases of it. There's different stages of the of the of like the fake and alien invasion that they're going to do in order to put everybody in bunkers or something. And I don't know, I remember hearing things of that nature as well, and like it's cool to see, Like it's cool to think about. We're in the sense of like, you know, what if there actually is going to be an alien invasion happening on the on November. You know, maybe what if that thing actually is real that's coming to us, and what if it actually is an alien spaceship. But then I think to myself and I'm like, you know, what's fun to think about, But what if it is you know, what am I going to do? Really? It's like it's like it's like that whole entire funny meme where you where they have a picture of like a one hundred and ten foot wave coming at you and you're like, like, POV, this giant tsunami is about to hit you. What do you do? Like, what am I going to do? I'm just going to stand there and just at that point, I'm just going to take it. What am I supposed to do? You know? So when you when you talk about all these when we talk about all these different like this is going to happen at this point, it's like if it does, then okay, so be it. Like I'll die or I'll I'll be taken over by aliens or whatever the case. But I got things to worry about right now. And I think that's kind of where we all kind of where you you snap back to reality to a certain degree where you say, okay, there are actual responsibilities. I got to take care about this point in time. You know, it's fun to think about, but you know, I got things to do, you know what I mean. And that's kind of where it goes to, you know, people not really taking it too seriously, like I was saying before, where it's fun to think about, it's fun to think of the what ifs, but in reality, we're all just gonna we're all just gonna divert back to our our regular you know, daily activities or daily responsibilities. If there's an alien ship coming and they let everyone know there's an alien ship coming the world would stop working the way that they want us to. So, I honestly think if there was ever some big cata plet's make event like a asteroid heading towards Earth or alien ship coming, I honestly don't think they would let anyone know, just because the amount of chaos that would happen. I don't think so either. Yeah, I think they would just. Be We would never really know until you know, I agree something happen. I agree with that they have too much control over us right now that things like that, like you said, it would just create just pandemonium and they would no longer have control. Yeah, I think the the people hide in their bunkers or whatever they had to do. The important people would know, but I think everyone else would be left in the dark. No, for sure. For sure, it's come like a thief in the night. You know, like that that Bible verse where where it talks about armageddon, it talks about the the end of the world, and you know it's it basically says that it'll come like a thief in the night, you won't even notice it coming. I feel like that's kind of how it would be here where if there is actually an invasion and they they don't want you to know about it. It's really just it's gonna come and you're not even gonna notice. It's just gonna happen, and the next thing you know, either you're dead or or you got you know, alien sniffing your toes or something, you know, you never know, you know what I mean, It's just gonna happen. If they come all the way down here from traveling through space just to sniff toes. And I guess that is a very strange species of creatures that they wanted to get. They got. They got people who will who will relate to them. Though for sure, Quentin Tarantino would definitely relate to them. That's what I was just thinking. Him and Rex Ryan, the old football coach. Oh yeah, there's definitely people who will be like, oh you guys are you guys are my best friends? Now? We definitely agree on that. Well, Matt, it has been almost an hour, usually trying to keep these around an hour, So before we wrap this up, I would like for you to let everyone know where they can find your podcast. Yeah, man, So thank you very much for having me first and foremost, I appreciate the opportunity it was an awesome conversation. And like I said before, I love talking about these type of things and having conversations about you know, the scary and the strange and the mysterious, and you know, it's cool to be able to sit down and talk about this have a little bit of a change of pace for my regular show. So I appreciate that very much. Not a problem. So where they can find me, Basically, you can find me anywhere where you get podcasts, so Apple podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube. I post the Cat five Boys podcast. We haven't been posting for a while, but we're going to get back into it very very soon. So if for the meantime you want to look at the other stuff that we've posted, you can definitely feel free to do. So. We've got some entertaining stuff, debates, you know, different shows where we have different people on have conversations with them. 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